#and a general Latam feeling

[goldenspirits]

Play this. (https://whereami.io/)

[australet789]

Love pissing off spanish youtubers stans, because they are like “my fave would never”

They are all white dudebros that defended NFTs and are now saving each other’s backs because they are playing the nazi game and want to get views

Like, they dont care about you.

Stop defending these 40 year old bastards

[snail-speed]

Anytime I see a fellow Latino demand reparations from Spain I just get war flashbacks to AMLOver rhetoric. /nbh

[amid-fandoms]

we're trying to spread the hashtag #makeTITglobal on twitter and it might be useful to use it on here as well (even if dnp don't visit our humble abode as often 🫡) so if you want to, you can include the tag in posts related to the tour/the movement both on here and on twitter!

(if you're from asia, latam and africa, you can also use the hashtag to talk about your experiences, both positive and negative, in the community; input some messages on your feelings about the tour in general and about meeting/seeing d&p in real life, use your voice and share your side of the story!)

[brucewaynehater101]

I was wondering what Tim's racial traits are? Because I know that Bruce is Jewish, Dick is Romani, Jason is possibly Latino (I don't know if it's canon but his own traits wouldn't change because Latinos are very diverse, some may be white… The Latina who lives in Latam speaks uwu) , Cass is Asian, I think Chinese?, Babs is possibly white, Duke is Afro-American, Alfred is obviously British, Steph is white and Damian is mixed Arab-Jewish.

This is because I have seen him portrayed as white, Jewish or Asian, specifically Chinese, Japanese or Cambodian. I also love the possibility that the Batfam is a target of the Pro American (Damian would be a frequent victim) and Neo Nazis (Here they put everyone in the bag , even Tim if he were a white man the Nazis also persecuted homosexuals) and I feel that it would be something that would unite them as a family because it would be them against the world sjfshsaj and DC is a coward, possibly they put those things. and i lov your work uwu

Hello! I've seen a ton of cool AUs that portray him (and more specifically his mom) from different backgrounds, but I believe he is canonically white.

For Tim, I've seen some posts mentioning that some comic book creator was going to make him Jewish. They never quite added that into canon (his dad is atheist and his mom is implied to be Catholic), but that might be another reason why he's been portrayed as Jewish or other cultural backgrounds in AUs. Personally, it's rad to see how his storyline, characterization, or choices may or may not change or be affected by changing his upbringing, cultural background, or race. I've seen some cool AUs with Red Room or Russian decent Tim Drake.

I'm honestly not positive on Jason. I don't think DC quite confirmed a specific ethnicity for him, but he's implied to be white. I was trying to find anything that mentioned it, and someone talked about how, when he was researching who his bio mom is, he seriously considered Lady Shiva. This could indicate that he's racially ambiguous.

I personally hc him to be a third or fourth generation immigrant on his dad's side. This, in the hc, could be examined for how his dad may face social and structural barriers to obtaining work. Combined with his dad becoming a father at a young age (anywhere from 18 to 23), Willis was forced to find illegal work just to pay his bills for his family. At least, that's my hc if we're going with a good parent Willis.

You are correct that the Waynes, due to their mixed backgrounds, may face hate or be targeted by hate groups. Barbara may also be included with this due to her visible disability (I hc that some of the Waynes have, at the very least, some invisible disabilities). If we're going strictly off of canonically proven backgrounds/traits, Tim would face hate for being openly bisexual.

I am not aware of any hate groups residing within Gotham. I could 100% be wrong about that. There is the possibility of eugenicists, anti-meta groups, and supremacists (especially in positions of power) existing in Gotham. On the other hand, some of the Rogues would probably decimate those groups if they tried to root themselves in Gotham. That city is chaotic, but I love the hc that the Bats and some rogues (like Harley, Riddler, and Ivy) protect Pride events and other such gatherings. I find it more healing to think about the Rogues, despite being mass murders, drawing the line at being a bigot.

I've seen some fics that chat about the Waynes coming to Damian's defense when he's being racially targeted at school or galas. I haven't seen any for the Waynes as a whole being targeted by hate groups, but that is a possibility to explore. At the very least, there may be some awful shit online that Barbara stumbles across (even if the users aren't based in Gotham due to the Waynes being famous).

I'm glad that you enjoy my work! Stay safe, everyone, and fuck the pieces of shits that hate folks for being themselves.

[twopoppies]

Gina, I hope you are well. I confess that recently I've been putting questions about fandom in a little box in my mind because of the busyness of life, but recently this issue of bbg, Louis's blocks and how this new generation of fans react to all of this , made me reflect a little on things. Honestly, it might just be my impression, but don't you think that the fandom seems to have regressed when it comes to social issues such as feminism, racism and the lgbtqia+ community? Today I went on Twitter/X and was shocked when I saw someone saying that homophobia almost doesn't exist in UK anymore and that's why it doesn't make sense that Larry hasn't come out yet. I live in Latam and not in UK, but you don't need to be a genius to know that unfortunately society is still very backwards when it comes to sexuality and gender identity, it really was regrettable to see that this type of thinking is becoming popular around the internet

That… is depressing. I feel as though there is a growing number of people who’ve become incredibly stupid, and it really frightens me.

The idea that homophobia “doesn’t exist” anymore is asinine. Just because some celebrities are out, or because you happen to live somewhere people can be open about their sexuality, doesn’t mean a thing when you look outside of your little bubble.

[savebylou]

Appreciation post of Louis in LATAM.

A while back did a post about Louis going to see fans after the shows. I want to do a similar thing but about Louis in LATAM.

For me what Louis did in LATAM was a huge deal. Going to 3 different countries and plan so many interviews, to see as many fans as possible is not something common that international artists do in LATAM (for what I had seen).

Even this journalist & Louis talks about it how this kind of promo is inusual (transcript here):

What Louis did is not that usual as it used to be in the music industry. Maybe because times had change and the promo of music is different now, the budget is different etc.

Louis had said over a few interviews how he thought for a while to come to LATAM to thank the support and see the fans. Yes he is also promoting the tour but he could easily choose to just do the shows and that is it, but he pick the difficult option.

I mean difficult option because there is a lot that Louis has to do in order to make the interviews happened and see the fans. I will first talk about the interview aspect and then the fan aspect.

For the interviews he is doing between 6 to 10 interviews aprox. for each country, between 10 to 30 min each, is a full day of press. Even if he could feel tired of traveling, etc., he still managed to bring his best energy, he was so sweet and attentive with the journalists, doesn't matter if the questions were repetitive he always tried to answer the best he can and be present, show that he cares and he acknowledge the love he has for the fans in that specific country. The journalists have said only positive things about their experiences interviewing Louis.

Is a lot of work he had put on those interviews and is not easy, not to mention the few interviews that are live stream where he had to be so ready to answer because everyone was watching him.

During the interviews he asked for recommendations so he can learn more about the culture of each country, he also tried to learn a few words in Portuguese so he can say different things to fans in the shows in Brasil, he also spoke in Spanish and Guaraní.

We got so many interviews and even a few answer we already knew we also got new content of Louis' thought process in music & other topics. I find it fascinating learning more things about his perspective as an artist an as a person in general.

Now for the fans aspect, besides the press day on the same day he took time out of his day to do meet & greets with fans and also took pictures with fans outside of the radio stations and hotels. Even if Louis loves the fans, it also takes a lot of effort mentally and emotionally to to show love and smile to fans, to be kind, attentive even if is for just a second, because this moments will live in the memory of fans forever.

There is a lot of: travel, social interactions, people wanting his attention, fans yelling his name, asking for an autograph, wanted to touch him or be close to him, show him phones so he takes a picture, everyone filming every move he takes. It's a lot of love but also a lot of chaos and it can be overwhelming specially after a break when he was living his normal life. But even it's a lot to take in, Louis did the extra effort so fans felt seen and special.

I try to remind myself this, because I often see the fans interactions and feel happy that he is seeing so much support but I put in the back of my mind the effort that Louis needs to do personally to be in that mental space to give the best of him.

I'm thankful for Louis and his kind heart that wanted to show love for LATAM, makes me cry everytime I think about it. He comes from another place around the world where is totally different how the fans are and he still loves and appreciates the passion and excitement from fans of LATAM countries.

I also very thankful that the fans welcome Louis with so much love and excitement, making Louis feel special and make him notice how much support he has around the world. It makes me so happy that he is appreciating this moment without a show, realising that people want to see him, that he is noticing again of how meaningful his music is and the impact he has in so many lives.

I'm so glad Louis came to Brasil, Chile and Argentina. I hope he does similar things in other countries in the future.

What Louis did is not something we see often, there are not a lot of artists that go above and beyond to make fans feel special, he made a huge effort and he always try to see as many fans as possible in different countries. He is an amazing artist but also a very kind human that understand how meaningful this actions are to fans, we are very lucky to have an artist like Louis.

[cyptidclownmoth]

I’m a fan, but also a hater with what I like to think is critical thinking. I vibe with the whole deconstructing gender stereotypes thing, but I feel like when we do that, we just fall into others. And it always makes me wonder: Why does almost every Jegulus and Wolfstar fanart look like this?

Okay, I get that everything about the Marauders is headcanon at this point, but like, there’s no crime in keeping some things from the books as long as we’re not supporting JKR’s problematic stuff, right? No need to change the characters so much they’re not even recognizable anymore.

For starters, it really bothers me how Sirius and Regulus are always made shorter, like it’s a must or something. Sirius is literally canonically the tallest of the boys, and Regulus is just described as shorter than Sirius. Plus, another Black family member (Bellatrix) is described as tall, so it’s not a stretch to say the Blacks are generally tall people. But nooo, they’re always drawn as these small, delicate dudes. Why though? Do we really need one of them to fit the twink stereotype in a BL ship? In the end, I think the way they’re drawn just pushes more harmful stereotypes, when the whole point was to, like, fight against gender norms. And it’s worse when they’re almost always made the passive ones in their relationships.

Then there’s Remus Lupin. Honestly, it feels like people don’t even like his character for what he is, so they just make him something totally different. Like, yeah, he’s tall, but he’s supposed to be kind of scruffy, not this ripped sex symbol the fandom’s turned him into. He’s a guy with a literal chronic illness (his lycanthropy) that makes him physically weaker, and there’s so much potential in playing with that. Why not lean into those traits? I’ve always hated the whole ‘Casanova of Gryffindor Tower’ vibe because it just feels unnecessary and waters down what makes Lupin interesting. Why turn him into this prime example of hegemonic masculinity when we’re supposed to be avoiding that?

With James, I don’t have as much to say, because most of his traits are personality-based. But even he gets hypermasculinized, and it’s just not necessary. They’ve basically turned him into another beefy, square-jawed dude with zero flavor, aside from occasionally making him a token ethnic guy, usually Latino. And as a Latina (born and raised in LATAM), I feel like the way they describe him crosses the line from representation into fetishization. Like, he’s just ‘exotic’ enough to make him ‘interesting,’ but come on—do some actual research when you do stuff like that.

Anyway, I have so much more I could say, but... whatever. I’m open to debate as long as it’s respectful. That’s why I personally prefer mixing headcanon with canon instead of just throwing canon out the window.

[louisisalarrie]

okieeeeee dokie. I have gotten several messages about the F jerseys and whether or not louis is giving up larry and whether or not we should just step back because he’s still pushing the narrative and just people being sad in general about all this thinking he doesn’t care about us.

SO instead of replying to you all individually, this is the last im gonna comment on this bullshit unless something massive happens. I hope I can comfort y’all and just overall make this feeling of doubt and grossness and turn it into the fight that we’ve been fighting for 14 years and remind you all to stay strong.

Multiple anons, and anyone else interested, welcome to the show.

So, to start this off, im gonna provide you all with some links, to remind you of just how orchestrated bbg and all of this is. This will preface this conversation with a much stronger tone because well… you have to remember how fucked up this stunt is and how poorly it was conceived (pardon the pun).

Links here, here, here, and here

Okay. So. BBG is the biggest load of bullshit I’ve ever heard (reference fully intended). This shit was so poorly done, with so many mistakes, and so many things that didn’t add up. All on top of a young dude who’s meant to be marketable to the masses as attainable, to provide more sales etc., and not a bad boy that fucks multiple women and gets one of them pregnant. That’s just… not good PR, first of all, and also negatively affects not only him, but the band as well, regardless of them going on break. Why not just have Louis single and attainable? Market him as a bit more charming and sexy and maybe doing the Harry thing, to ensure more promo?

Well, because Louis was the punching bag for SC and friends and they didn’t want him to take the limelight off Harry for a solo career, and needed to be as far away as possible from each other to ensure Harry’s coming out. ANYWAY you’ve heard me talk about this shit before yada yada yada. So, im gonna chat about what’s happening now instead.

For the last little while, Larries have been given small sips of water while being stranded in the desert, is kinda the best way I can describe it. We’re only getting content from Louis, also, which is something to remember. We’re not getting double the content from Harry so it’s been fairly quiet. Anyway. We’ve gotten green and blue lights, coded clothing, 7, gazing and pointing at the ceiling/boxes, all that stuff, but really, it’s no proof. It’s little tidbits in the grand scheme of things, and unfortunately in this grand scheme of things, exists bbg.

Louis has been single for a long while now, and his dating life doesn’t get traction in the press. Neither will these jerseys or really much else he does. Unless he were to be tied to a major artist/actress who’s super famous, he’s not gonna get any further press outside of the realm he is currently in, unfortunately. And I think perhaps that is something he tends to reference when he’s on stage. The whole “we did this together, we need each other, we didn’t need anyone else’s help, im so lucky that you accept me as I am” etc, because he’s not been stunting to up his market value. He’s just… doing well with the fans. It’s lucky he has such a dedicated fanbase. Artists don’t have this all the time.

Now, idk why tf LATAM has brought on so much F content with these jerseys, and I don’t know who in their right mind is actually spending money on this shit to gift to Louis (particularly in an economic cost of living crisis), but it’s truly bizarre. If I believed in bbg, I wouldn’t be giving him gifts for his kid, and I could’ve done it quite easily backstage by getting someone to leave it in his dressing room or whatever. But it’s weirddddd and a waste of moneyyyyy and doesn’t make him love you any more than other fans. Is it like a weird anti power play or something? Idk. But what I do know, is that these jerseys have had a very clear narrative.

Idk if something is coming or Harry is gonna come out or whatever, but Louis is doing his pretty little barely smile and wave and glancing at these jerseys before popping them on the stage. He doesn’t seem to look particularly over the moon with them, does he? He’s just like “oh okay thanks” and slaps the hell out of his chest and goes back to doing whatever he was doing. If he loved getting gifts from fans for F all over the world (and didn’t think it was weird nor was it a setup), I imagine maaaaaybe he’d show it off to the crowd a bit more? Maybe a “this is great, thank you! Everyone look at this sick jersey for my little lad! He’s gonna love that” because Louis is SO proud of that kid and loves that kid SO much and I just feel like he’d be more excited about it.

If bbg was real and he found it weird, he’d still probably smile a little more and be a little more into it than what he seems to be. This second time round was a bit more of a grimace and I just don’t see him being stoked about it. But let’s talk about that… why has there been two fucking jerseys for “his” kid given to him in very close succession? wtf is going on?

well, one of those times, apparently the Louis jersey was gifted to him backstage, but they saved the F jersey to give it to him on stage. Personally, idk, if I was a fan and brought these jerseys and got to go backstage (?????) to gift him them, I would probably give them at the same time. Because that makes sense. Because otherwise you need to carry it around and also try and get his attention from the crowd and it just seems surely like more of a fuck around. It’s weird, weird, and weird, and feels like way more of a set up than usual.

Because, it’s just a little reminder for everyone about bbg, and that it exists. It’s a good little thing to just upkeep that narrative without having to DO anything. It’s easy. But also interesting timing, and why now?

Harry’s coming back on the radar slowly, after a BUA, and so perhaps there could be a coming out in the near future that would encourage Louis to continue to look hettie af. Perhaps it’s to distract from any larry stuff that may happen or has happened around this time. Maybe it’s a good little way to upkeep the narrative if Louis and Harry start forming a friendship or liking each other’s photo online or SOMETHING. it can be for so many reasons. But, the main one isn’t to get rid of us. I promise you that.

Louis’ fandom, while it slowly continues to develop and grow, is majority larries. It’s just a matter of fact that more Larries flocked to Louis when Harry started getting a fucking crazy fanbase and started doing a million stunts. Louis felt safer, and continues to feel safer. Don’t get me wrong, still a huge amount of harries are larries, but as it stands, Louis has a very strong amount of us on his side. And he’s not an idiot, he knows that. He knows his demographic, he would be updated about that by PR, and they would analyse it too and see what needs to be damage control, what the age ranges are, what the social media content is between the fans, and how they view louis. All very basic stuff, and so he’d know. Hence the “so be it” comment. He knows that without us, there was a larger potential he could’ve flipped and would be playing theatres as opposed to arenas. He could’ve pushed us waaaaay further away than what he has with his weird little denials and F comments, he could have that kid at more shows and be flaunting him on Instagram, and could be actively trying to really squash it. But he doesn’t (some people say it’s because being linked to Harry gives him promo but that’s another conversation for another time so don’t bring that up please haha).

He states, very loudly and clearly, that he appreciates and loves every single one of us. He doesn’t make snide comments, he doesn’t say this kind of dismissively, he makes a point to say he loves all of us no matter what. He pointedly said that he thanks us for accepting him. And quite frankly, if I was in his position, I’d probably find a better way of saying that if I wanted to dispel the rumours.

These little jersey setups (which I believe one person has started and others have followed giving a great little way to remind us of bbg from louis’ team and UAs), are awfully staged and just cause fights within the fandom. It’s not ideal, but hell, it beats seeing him with that kid everywhere. And these days are very interesting with how fans get their information. Years ago, while we had groupies and insiders, update accounts weren’t manipulated the way they are now. We had blind items, sure, but anyone could write into that. We had receipts, and while many were real, many also weren’t. But now… with how big fanbases are online, the best way to communicate narratives are fan to fan, as opposed to media to fan. It seems more genuine. It seems less fake like media items are. It looks real.

So with these jersey incidences and UAs blabbering on and posting pictures of jerseys before the show and saying how much Louis loved them and all that, it’s manipulated as more real than what it is. You can’t write an article about everything, but you can tip off UAs or Deuxmoi with a fake name to get them to post shit for the fandom exclusively to see. It’s simple, but very effective. And it’s just… pure marketing, and encourages artist to fan interaction (which should be supported online but the boys can lack that these days which is shit on their behalf), and helps dispel the rumours within the fandom.

Wow okay. This turned into an essay and im not actually gonna reread it because I don’t have time but if you’ve gotten this far in my rambling, kudos to you. My main points are:

- no matter how many jerseys louis gets for F, he’s still not a dad

- those jerseys will not magically make him a dad

- these stunt narratives are sooooo see through and boring these days I just roll my eyes at it but thank god it’s a lot more lowkey to what it could be

- Louis loves us and wants us here bc we pay his bills and also accept him and support him and we’re on whatever journey he wants to take together

- these little ongoing narrative pushes can be the preface to a coming out on Harry’s side/reconciliation between the boys

- keep an eye on body language throughout these interactions

- giving gifts to ur fave relating to their kid no matter what you believe is creepy and weird and a lot of us seem to be in agreement on that

- this shit isn’t louis’ fault

- don’t believe everything you read on Twitter

- they missed the boat on ending this stunt years ago and ending it now is gonna be very fucking hard

- it’s easily arguable that even if Larry wasn’t real, Louis’ still not a dad

thanks team!

[demonqueenart]

hi! first of all, i'm so sorry you're feeling the way that you are. you've helped open my eyes to things i admittedly didn't know (dan's comment at wad, for example) or didn't notice. i'm glad you're receiving at least some support from other phans! i don't know if this helps at all (and it's not me trying to excuse dan), but i wanted to add some context to his "third-world country" reference. as an american, i can tell you that we grew up learning "this"third world" as the proper term. most of my colleagues, friends, family members, etc. STILL use it casually to refer to developing nations/the global south - we were literally taught to use it in school. of course it has since become obsolete, as the wording is incredibly offensive. i know about this because of my time in academia, but this awareness hasn't at all spread to the general population (especially in dan's/my generation of millennials and older). as smart as i do think dan is, i wonder if that's also the case in england. he has the responsibility to educate and inform himself and he needs to acknowledge that he's hurt and alienated a large proportion of his fanbase, so i still hope he'll do that soon.

as for the tour, one of my my best friends is mexican (and lives in mexico) and she was really disappointed during ii when they had to cancel the announced mexico dates. they had assumed the dates would work out, but - if i remember correctly - were presented with a lot of visa/permissions issues. they tried to make it work but it didn't, and they waited much too long to tell anyone. my guess is that they wanted to avoid a similar disappointment this time and not give anyone false hope, nor accidentally say anything negative about those countries as they explain their reasoning (which, of course, just comes off worse - ignoring is never the issue).

other artists have had similar issues with asian and middle eastern countries as well, as there is increased censorship and visa requirements. i've spent four years of my life in asian countries (and a few months in south america) and know that there are phans there who'd love to see them, but it might not be feasible.

ultimately, however, dan and phil owe everyone transparency and need to acknowledge if they're having difficulties with bookings in other countries and why. they usually go back and add dates later, so fingers crossed that they're trying to work out some dates in latam and may yet still add them.

It’s the lack of transparency that is the issue here. How am I supposed to trust them when they won’t tell me anything in the first place? And if they expect me to assume for the best, I don’t think I can do that. Not with all the time they tried to bury their mistakes when people have been hurt as if it’s nothing. I’m sorry but if they’re choosing to look good in the public eye before choosing us, then I don’t think I can trust them anymore. And it’s not that they’ll look bad when they’re talking about this stuff, but the fact they have never once talked about it ever really makes it feel like they want to keep this shut. And that hurts a lot.

Thank you for your perspective tho. I think it helps seeing where they can possibly come from.

Auto-message: This ask’s purpose is to acknowledge dnp’s past/present exclusivity, not to cancel them! But to embrace mistakes that they’ve made so that 1. we won’t exclude people in need in this community, and 2. we can normalize bringing up exclusivity so that improvement can happen. Hopefully this will one day help dnp realize that this is a safe space for them to talk about their mistakes, so that this space can become safe for people of all kinds too <3

*If you don’t understand what is happening, scroll through my blog for context. And I’ll be taking time to answer my asks, so don’t think I’m ignoring youuu*

[philseyebrowslit]

that’s actually so fucked i’m so pissed that dan said that and just last year wtf?? i know dnp have said their fare share of microaggressions in the past and as a poc fan i have to just kind of sigh and reckon with the insane white privilege uk bubble they have always lived in but at this point being a public figure for 15 years with fans all around the world it’s well past time to get some general awareness of like. other people’s lives 🙄🙄 i generally have a good time around here bc i keep to myself and dnp haven’t been largely problematic in quite a long time but sometimes it’s exhausting

exactly!! after 15 years of being entertainers one would imagine they’re a bit more in touch with their poc audience and just generally the ?? state of the world ??

like it’s not that hard to really get out of your privilege bubble and understand why some of their fans would feel bad and hurt about pretty much ignoring their region or claiming that they could never see their show cause it’s a “first world” one

I feel you, dan and phil (especially compared to other creators) tend to not be problematic, but that’s not to say they couldn’t be more informed and treat their poc audience with more care. I too usually keep to myself and not start discourse, but if we don’t hold them to the things they have said and not taking latam or Asia or Africa in account then no one will

[diediegamchicothdie]

Things that in my mind are the same

Øystein and a Sonny angel with devil horns are the same

Quorthon, transmasc community and Ethel Cain are just the same, I cannot see the difference

Ihsahn and this emoji, is the fucking same picture for me

Pelle is the equal of the video "el aplauso señores" and the sui * cide letter by Andrés Caicedo

Probabily a terrible traduction:

Mamacita: Cali, 1975.

One day you promised me that whatever I did, you would understand and agree with me. Please try to understand my death. I wasn’t meant to live any longer. I am enormously tired, disappointed and sad, and I am sure that every day that passes, each of these sensations or feelings will slowly kill me. Then I’d rather finish.

Of you I have nothing but love and sweetness. You have been the best mother in the world and I am the one who loses you, but my act is not defeat. I have all the winning, because I am convinced that I have no other way out. I was born with death inside and all I do is take it out to stop thinking and stay calm.

...Remember only me. I die because to be 24 years old I am an anachronism and a nonsense, and because since I was 21 I come without understanding the world. I am incapable of relations of money and relations of influence, and I cannot resist love: it is something much stronger than all my forces, and has destroyed them.

I leave some work and die peacefully. This act was already premeditated. You premeditate your death too. It is the only way to overcome it.

Dear mother, if it hadn’t been for you, I would have died many years ago. This idea is my own. Now my reason is lost, and what I do is only to stop suffering.

Tu Andrés

And the black metal in general is the same as a tragafuego in a random street or traffic light from LATAM, thanks

[goldenpinof]

I hope privileged fans can at least TRY to understand where we Asian, LatAm, African phannies are coming from and why we were hurt with the initial response and just.. please don't shift the blame to us on why he had to speak up about it. Because you will never understand how we truly feel. (not speaking to you per se! just in general for Western phannies)

is anyone blaming you? (i'm not checking twitter, so idk what's going on there)

and yeah, i agree. i'd also love to hear something about Latam and Africa from him, since we're on the topic. i believe it's gonna be quite hard to make Dan talk about it again. he specified Asia so well, it just begs the question about the others. especially Latam, since they've been there and were planning to go to Vidcon Mexico before covid hit. there's a demand, i refuse to believe there isn't. and i get that it's very expensive if they don't have sponsors. but if it's the last chance why wouldn't they pull some strings. now i'm even more gutted about Asia if it's the last chance, fuck!

[rei-comfort-zone]

What are your thoughts/interpretations of Idrees?

It’s been a long time since I watched the breadwinner and only started recently watching clips from the movie and read his little description card, and wanted to know more about your interpretation of him. like how although he enforces stuff like being against women shouting or drawing attention to themselves, his little bio described him as ‘not a man of convictions’ and is probably willing to learn/unlearn anything to be thought of as a man and loved (and how that relates to Fatima’s talkativeness)

Here's a Idrees doodle to start replying to this ! !

+ a song that reminds me of Idrees 📢‼️🫀

My thoughts about Idrees can go from unserious banter and lame jokes of "I hate/love him" to sometimes doing an over analyzing to his character

I apologize for my wording, I'm not good in english sometimes + I probably re-write this a lot💔💔💔

When I watched the The Breadwinner movie for the first time (it was when I was in highschool, probably at 16) my first thoughts were that he was a total idiot for his clearly horrible behaivor, I didn't really pay attention to something deeper of his character

Now I kinda see more of his character rather than what just the movie showed. I see Idrees as a character, who like any other person in real life going through a difficult time of period of their country and based on his social, cultural and religious conditions:

A young man who simply adapts, but does not live.

Anyone can adapt, behave like the others, do and become what they expect you to be just to feel that you belong to a place. Rejection from a social group is something awful to be honest, were made to be social, but what happens when the social structure is just... I don't even know how to word it, but we know

Adapt because of fear. That's not being alive in my own opinion, the constant adaptation and the fact of how Idrees is willing to learn and unlearn kinda shows somehow: That dude is probably just trying to feel that he belongs to a place, for an example based on movie facts, if it wasn't his studies that gave him the comfort, family or anything else, it was the Taliban, he seems to be proud of himself for joining say radical group because of the confidence boost that it gave him to feel accepted, but if isn't the Taliban who accepted him then what?

Is a constant adaptation that strips people from their own self being, no one can really keep doing that without going insane tbh (imo)

And based on a long history here in Latam with conflicts, religious and generational trauma, civil wars and US invasions all over the years (we hate you US we say in unison📢‼️/hj) I think I can feel a bit of enough sympathy for Idrees's situation, mostly talking about growing in a country that haves that much of social/politic problems going on, no one deserves it

NOT TRYING TO JUSTIFY HIM, I STILL HATE HIM☄️

Anyways, now talking about Idrees with Fatima I actually don't ship them to always be lovely dovey, I always switch the dynamic when I feel it's right(????.

I'm not the kind of giving full happiness to characters and maybe just love mess up dynamics for comfort-

It's weird sometimes but, I mean Idrees is already messed up!! I'm just going for what the movie showed me at the first glance: I feel that he was probably way too misogynist with Fatima at first, I think that the Taliban gives the comfort to Idrees to do what he lacks of, power. It's always about power dynamics when talking about issues like social structures, he is a character that his bio says to be versatile about his convictions. But in my interpretation of him:

I could say that his behavior changes based on the position he is at, in a public space he is at power, or is the others upper than him and the social structure of the Taliban already set at the power? There it is, but still, while being part of the Taliban he gets that small grasp of power that lets him act like an asshole, just take away the power and he is nothing, just a guy with serious problems, like any other.

In private or even in a more close interaction with Fatima he probably doesn't needs to find any role power to be at, there's literally none and she neither wants to fight him or befriend him at first, there's literally no reason to act against the other. Maybe that's why I always draw him being unsure while being around Fatima. Because that small void of nothingness while being with her becomes that space that lets him act by himself, but how does a person act when that person only learned how to adapt and not live?

So yeah, I have tons of ideas and dynamics of this two but I think I wrote too much 😭😭😭

He sure haves personal problems (quite some anger issues) but I think that most of Idrees problems based on his bio is all of the root of adapt to live without living at all

Anyways I love him sm and the small community about this movie😋🙏🙏🙏 happy new year🎉🎉🎉

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loon defense post because ive been thinking about him so much it like physically hurts

People rip on him a lot for being 1) being sorta cringy with his use of words and way of speaking 2) too attached to usagi 3) being too shy and sort of useless 4) not taking the HINT with usagi

And i say!!! guys lets put ourselves in his shoes please god

At the start of the series we learn that Freddy is new, and so he doesn't know where anything is, and he presumibly came in later than all the other people since everyone already had seats and such when he gets introduced, its not the first day for everyone, he got in a little later.

Then, Loon arrives to THE COUNTRY or at the very least the school in episode FIFTEEN. at the same time town does the event announcement, he's the first "international competitor", he has a weight on his shoulders and knows absolutely no one but usagi. And it's past the point of fraternizing at this point, if people are as competitive about this event as lets say Meg is, then trying to talk to people would probably be seen as trying to get info or get intel or do something regarding the competition instead of just... Wanting to get more used to the completely new enviroment you are in.

And, I know his use of japanese is butchered at best and just straight up nonsense at worst, but that's a fault of the writers and not a thing in-universe. In-character both he and usagi are japanese, but he uses a LOT more japanese words and expressions without seeminly thinking about it, he is STILL on the process of going full spanish, bilingual or not it is hard to stay 100% in it, and he defaults to words in his native language or just straight up small exclamations he lets out without thinking. He's not mechanically 100% in spanish he's doing that thing where you think in one language and translate stuff as it comes out of your mouth.

Given all of that its NORMAL that he clings so much to the one girl who he knows and who speaks his language, he is in a completely new country with a new language and he has ONE person who can give him sense of normalcy, and it's clear they both care about eachother. People love to make usagi fully uninterested in all that regards Loon, but she did sign him into her team without asking, she did get super exited to see him and they do have a history, it's unfair to say it's onesided because despite the nature of their feelings being different, they still very clearly deeply care for eachother.

I would also be shy and useless if i was stuck in a completely new country and culture, we do see him act more confidently with Usagi but he probably got overwhelmed by how talkative (?) and sociable culture is in latam. Strangers carry themselves in a completely different way than he's been used to and that's intimidating! his spanish isn't 100% perfect and natural sounding either so that also makes it scary! I would also be shy and useless.

and on the topic of Loon's feelings towards usagi, i have 2 possible routes to take with it:

Can't kids have crushes anymore???? is being silly a crime in this economy??? it's realisticcccc he's young, he's discovering stuff, him being unable to say how he feels upfront is reasonable given that if Usagi takes negatively to it, he would be left completely on his own. He has no other connections and the posibility of ruining that is SCARYYYY. It's not as much as spineless cowardice but a genuine conflict of his feelings vs the posibility of his one stable connection being severed because of it. Besides everyone treats it as a crime but Usagi literally does not mind or does not realize, not once has that girl been uncomfortable around Loon, he's just like that and it doesn't seem to break any boundary at all

Am i crazy to say maybe it wasn't a crush at all? It's hard to interpret feelings and crushes in general, and its WORSE when you're a teenager. He hadn't seen his friend in years and when he had the chance to be with her he clinged and had that ovewhelming urge to just stay by her side. Now that he is actually next to her he can hug her and hold her and she is his BEST FRIEND and seeing her again just sparked a lot of really intense feelings that he assumed meant he had a crush. Idk i feel like that'd be nice to explore...

and yeah thats it loon fnafhs they could never make me hate you

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today on posts that are for me and me only but i hope you get my vision, i present to you:

Songs in Spanish I think Käärijä and Joker Out members would like:

Käärijä:

BZRP Music Sessions #51

This song is sooo cunty + the references in the lyrics/rhymes are INSANE, Jere would go so fucking hard with this I don't have proof but I don't have doubts

Kali Uchis, Peso Pluma - Igual Que Un Ángel

Girlypop song, cute beat, the lyrics of the chorus literally being "god's favorite and she knows" (because she is god's favorite). Deffinitely not influenced by me showing pictures of Jere to people irl and them saying he looks like Peso Pluma (he doesn't)

Bojan:

Soda Stereo - De Música Ligera

Tbh all of Joker Out would love this song, it feels very them, but Bojan gives vibes of a Cerati fanboy that would hear you mention Soda Stereo and would ask you to name 3 songs by them and this was probably the first song he learned how to play on the guitar. Very good song, a classic, if you haven't heard this one yet, please do

Romeo Santos - Propuesta Indecente

I'm laughing so hard at myself going from 90s latam rock to bachata but hear me out. Bojan likes to dance, bachata is a genre with a pretty intricate dance that Bojan would learn to surprise girls with at parties. Also bachata just feels very him??? and this song is iconic and it had a pretty popular meme back in the day he would still quote today

Jure:

Cuarteto de Nos - Enamorado tuyo

This is such a good vibes song, makes me happy listening to it, and I feel like Jure also likes these types of songs. Good, chill vibes

Los Enanitos Verdes - Lamento Boliviano

Another classic latam rock song, a general vibe, everyone knows the lyrics. I feel like Jure would really appreciate the drums on this one (also he would do the joke of "bolivian lament? fuck yeah, I would also lament it if I was from there" <- as a bolivian, I get him)

Kris:

Miranda! - Don

Kris is one of the girlies, this song is for the girlies. He would scream the chorus at the top of his lungs and would probably learn the guitar solo just to show off.

Belanova - Rosa Pastel

....... no I'm not giving Kris the songs meant for the girlies whatareyoutalkingabout

But in all seriousness, this song is so perfect for heart breaks/wanting to be angsty but make it pretty that I feel like Kris would have looped this song so much it led him to writing NGVOT, plus just imagine him vibing to it, it fits him so well

Nace:

Luis Miguel - Ahora te puedes marchar

We know Nace likes citypop, now what if I told you that Luismi is considered citypop by some and was pretty big in Japan in the height of citypop??? Yeah

Quevedo - Columbia

Nace would vibe to this at the club so hard, idk he gives the vibes that he would like Quevedo (and not inspired by a jance fic I was intending to write at some point ofc not 😁)

Jan:

Los Prisioneros - Tren Al Sur

Another latam rock classic, the keyboard at the beginning is pretty mysterious, feels pretty Jan coded imo

Natalia Lafourcade - Hasta la Raíz

One of the most beautiful songs I've listened to. I feel like Jan would appreciate the technical aspect of the song more for some reason, probably what he listens to when driving