#and I think the only reason why he's a 'CC' in canon is bc maybe new canon doesn't want to use RC designations for some reason??

[0l1v3-m4c3]

pls drop the cc headcannons from what I've seen of you, I trust they'll be top tier >:)

Tyy!! Most of them are random but I'll try my best!-

-Nikki and Neil used Mr honeynuts as an advantage and threat whenever they need max to behave(even tho Nikki prefers the Water spray but Mr honeynuts is much effective)

-nikki would let max pet the wolves because wolves look like dogs so they'll go out at night to feed treats or Give pets to the wolves, Neil would come along(so he can blackmail the cute moments of max with the wolves)

-Sasha and Max sometimes or everynight hang out in the haunted house and do self care or gossip or play uno, Max could agree with Sasha that Ansley is annoying because it reminds him of David, therye secretly besties, but that type of besties where they fight and snatch eachother's weaves and like those 'nyeahh..' type

-dolph, Neil and max are both mama's boy, max is a Mama's boy for Gwen but not that he's kind or obedient like those mamas boys, but he prefers her over David, and sometimes have rare moments of getting along with Gwen, maybe helping her brainstorm ideas or choosing the right deep words to make the book similar to cruel prince or haunted Adeline(yes I read that). And with Neil, his mum might be the reason why he likes science in the first place bc I hc his mum is a business woman so she's busy but sternly Lovingly to Neil, they have the same personality except she doesn't get nervous often, she's stern and strict but not mean to Neil, and She just wanted him to be successful like her when he's old but she's not like those mum's with high expectations, she just ENCOURAGE Neil, and Neil genuinely loves science, she teaches him how to build or maybe correct him when he said or do something wrong, probably the reason why he didn't want candy(Nikki's mum) to be with Carl(his dad) because even tho therye divorced, he still loves his mum. And with Dolph, Well he has a dad who has Hugh expectations for him to be a soldier or a leader of the army but His mum would prefer Dolph to be what he wants to be, she would teach him what he wants to learn, an artist. She'd give him attention and comfort him whenever his dad didn't really support the idea of Dolph being an artist instead of a soldier, and I hc she died so he's alone with his absent father or tried to get along with the other kids near his house but never gets to Because he's always called 'not boyish' due to being an artist(which his dad called him out for),

-Max and Nikki are often used as disguised people whenever they have a mission with the woodscouts, because Nikki can remember the lessons from the flowerscouts, being a stereotypical girl so she acts like one when she disguise, Max just acts like a cuter cutie Patootie which he used that act rarely whenever he needs something from adults or the counselors, but he also use it for a disguise in a mission against the woodscouts while the others are in th back, planning their revenge.

-david's coping mechanism is He has to think about jasper or 'this is for jasper' whenever he gets tormented by the kids or something's wrong, he has nightmares about jasper so he just thinks jasper's still mad at him(even tho he canonically doesn't know jasper is dead-) and still tried to contact jasper but when he didn't respond, it only worries him more but he kept a forced smile on his face because he doesn't wanna worry the kids(even tho they didn't really care but the trio might be suspicious). Gwen would usually tell him jasper's probably dead but David would say otherwise. And He breaks down easily or have panic attacks whenever things aren't going smoothly or he didn't think of 'stay happy' enough so he just breaks down and call himself names like failure or a disappointment(which max obviously agreed on-) and Gwen's just gonna slap him to snap out of it.

-David's second Coping mechanism is he writes irony parts in the song as a way to vent so he can brush the burden off of his chest but it's hard to figure out that he was venting half in the song...but max already did and called out that he has passive aggressiveness and plastic-ness in the song. Which maybe made David need to find another coping mechanism- and he used to have anger issues before when he was a kid

-gwen's bad at comforting since she's always busy or pressured so whenever someone vents to her, it only adds up to her stress and think 'tf should I do-' or maybe just pat their backs and say 'please stop crying' or 'there there' or maybe just leave them alone and tiredly say 'it ain't my problem', except for David who's the opposite, whenever someone would just say therye lonely, He'd give them a whole ass essay about how good life is for 48 hours but Gwen would cut him off if he said too much.

-daniel and Jen are besties when they met, like after when Jen's unknown mission failed, and they met up at the woods(I hc Daniel killed the doctors who figured out he's insane and he escaped the hospital), they be like 'omg...you're a serial killer?...SAMESIESSS EEEHHHH!!' and then they team up easily, which as a thing since if therye the opposite of David and Gwen, they fight alot so Daniel and Jen are besties and get along Very well.

-Harrison probably asked every parent in parents day if he's Normal, because of lack attention from his parents- meanwhile when he got to nerris's parents, they actually just comforted him that it's okay and tell him he didn't mean to make his brother disappear, and magic is fine and Harrison is a normal human being child like the others.

-jasper possessed the wolf in the forest episode, he tried to communicate with David but surely he doesn't know how to talk or live like a wolf so he just tried everything which leading To harming David and he regretted it, but he didn't mean to look menacing because he's still trying to figure out how to control the body and he was probably hungry- but he's glad they got to get along for a few days before David buried the wolf's body and jasper can finally get to wander around in the place where the wolf's body is buried..and when he got to David they night, he tried to call him but then slowly gets sucked back to the spooky island-(which it's the dial M for jasper) but after the trio figured out Jasper and David were friends, jasper hope they'll tell David it's not his fault and therye still friends...but they didn't. But he probably possess the bears as well or the platypus to stay with David.

-david's adopted by one of the counselors(that one With purple ish hair) when he was a kid, maybe because his parents died or in another country, but he has an uncle who looks after him and he's the type of uncle who would do adventures in the forest with David and take a picture of any animal they see and maybe the reason why he was signed up for camp camp Because it was originally for Adventures only until David(?) or Cameron made it for ANY course. But His uncle died due to an accident during exploring in the forest and killed by a Wolf or a bear but he was really old so he can't defend himskef like before, he also taught David how to Save himself from the wolves or any animal.

-i hc Max and Nikki likes rats and they use that to scare Neil and say 'LABRATS' REVENGEEE!!' and they js chase after neil while holding the rats. Also same way to frogs,

-harrison preferred to Hold his pets(I hc he bought his pets with him cuz he's lonely) by laying their backs in his palm after a quick grab on the skin cuz he knew holding animals by the skin is wrong and Animal abuse.

-nurf would chat with his mum through the bars in prison. Or maybe vent and they just have wholesome moments as Mother and son.

-spacekid is 8 and Dolph is 7,-ansley liked Sasha(please don't attack me-)

-Erin has curly hair but she straightens it or braids it, And Tabii helped her with it.

-Preston Nerris and Harrison are a trio but in their own adventures/moments since the show is focused on the other trio(Nikki, Max and Neil),

-neil has a Goldfish and a hamster at home. But his mum took care of it when she has time while neil is in summer.

-ered and nerris are Nonbinary.And max is trans and David's genderfluid

-tabii sings those type of songs like 'when he sees me'(from waitress) or 'helpless'(from Hamilton) whenever she thinks of Neil but maybe not anymore

-the flowerscouts trio are Bisexuals but therye still in the closet about liking the same gender.

-edward secretly borrows Sasha's skincare bottles for his acne/blemishes or told him the type of plants he'll grab for his acne

-jermy's their bait.

-since Gwen's an author, Im sure she had gone through miku phases or the 'obssessed with Astarian from baldur's gate or Cardian from cruel prince', and she writes fanfics of 'Canon x reader' sometimes and she has this Small cute bandage around her Middle finger(David bought her the designed bandage roll) so when she writes, it wouldn't hurt her finger.

-whenever Gwen is sad. David would sometimes play something on his phone and show it to Gwen but he's not really into social media. "David why are you showing me Amongus memes-" "I thought you said you like Fortnite?-" "THAT'S NOT FORTNITE-"

-Ered seeks for attention and validation since at home, she's probably getting treated like a baby by her dads and therye always absent due to work as agents, so all she can do Is taking care of her cousin. So at camp, she can do whatever she wants due to the softness parenting from her dads, but she does anything she likes and atkeast gets praise for it(especially from nikki-)

its not much but I'm still tryna remember moree- :')

[seriousbrat]

I don’t think Voldemort ever tried to recruit James and Lily… I think it was everyone’s assumption because he targeted them specifically, but at the time the prophecy was a secret so nobody knew why. All they knew is that they were very talented.

I think it was maybe even some post-rationalisation. “James and Lily’s baby destroyed Voldemort, so they must have been an exceptionally powerful couple and Voldemort must have wanted them on his side.”

I don’t think Voldemort would have a reason to recruit a muggle-born and a blood-traitor with an obvious loyalty to Dumbledore, as they were probably unknown to him until they joined the Order. I don’t think two teenagers fresh out of school would have built enough of a reputation to draw Voldemort’s attention this way.

I could be wrong! Maybe Snape could have made a case for Lily and piqued Voldemort’s interest (since he seems to like and respect Snape) - but he’d still have no reason to want to recruit James.

I do believe James and Lily were exceptionally talented wizards, I just don’t see how they’d be on Voldemort’s radar before the prophecy.

What do you think?

Well the thing is JKR confirmed that he did. It was heavily implied in Philosopher's Stone, then confirmed in a later interview:

So it depends on how much importance you give to the extra content outside the books that has released over the years, which is just up to every individual. I really like these interviews (from a simpler time before JKR became what she did...) and I've found them very interesting and useful. Personally I generally take everything apart from Cursed Child and the Fantastic Beasts films (mostly bc I never finished the FB films because after the first one they were bad lol) as canon. The way I see it, the stuff in these interviews and on Pottermore was already part of the author's canon at the time of writing, at least most of it, and in general I think it's quite good. It's background that is directly relevant, rather than being an add-on, created by someone else in the case of CC.

In this case, since it was implied in the actual book and then confirmed that that was the intent, I do consider it canon.

It's up to you though, but like I said, I do think there are ways around it where it makes sense. We know he recruited Greyback, so there's a precedent for something similar. And as I said, if Voldemort really wanted James (remember that James is not only pureblood but very wealthy, and his closeness to Dumbledore would make him an effective spy) he would have known James wouldn't join without Lily, even if he planned to dispose of her after-- perhaps he even offered Lily's safety as a bargaining chip. And Voldemort himself gives another reason in PS, when he asks Harry to join him:

As for how they'd be on his radar, I think instead of Voldemort seeking them out specifically, they more likely just stumbled across his path, and it was then that Voldemort saw how they'd be useful.

Moderate spoilers for my fic but this is how I handled it myself:

Voldemort uses legilimency on James, and he sees: 1) the potters' gringotts vault 2) lily and james fighting for the order 3) james's love for lily. So from that he determines that James would be useful to him, that there's no way James would join without Lily, and that he can leverage Lily's safety to persuade James.

I think that's believable, personally!

[gamer-paramnesia]

i was gonna this in the tags but formatting is getting me in the ass so long post :P

PREFACING! people can do what they want and i am allowed to not like it! people are also allowed not to like what i like!!

however,, today i am a hater. so.

1 deeply dislike fitpac idk why I'm just not hugely into the ship sorry maybe bc it feels like now any mention of either character is only in shipping context. unfortunately did make me watch fits stream less. maybe I would've liked it more if the fandom didn't treat it the way it does shrug

1.5 the way some of yall treat ccs is insane.. esp like pac. he is a grown ass man yall.. i see a lot of 'omg hes sooo small 🥺 so baby so little here 🥺🥺🥺like be so fr. dont baby him!! hes a silly guy! HES LIKE 28 YEARS OLD!! this applies to other ccs too cough grian jimmy etc cough (the way yall treat pac vaguely reminds me of... no.. i shant say... gogy...(obvs one is good and the other one is ge*rge but. yeah))

2 crying begging throwing up people have body hair every time a character gets drawn without their facial/body hair an angel dies btw.. I see this so much with like joel smallishbeans n cellbit n jimmy solidarity n forever n phil n just so many other characters it drives me insane give that man his hair back!!!!!! also he is not a twink!!! do not draw him as such!!!!!!!! (also body hair on women but I think general fandom would die if I even suggest we draw a lil armpit hair on a woman…)

3 the way some of y'all see found family…… some of y'all only see nuclear families as the only style of family and it shows. a family isn't just oh this 'guy is my brother this is my wacky wine aunt haha!' a family is a bunch of people who find safety and home and love in each other, people who can kiss and people who can cuddle with and people who they can find solace in. it's not just 'so She's like my Mom and He's like my Dad and there's no other way.' it's kinda just.. an indescribable feeling of love between some people. yeah

4 mostly qsmp related here but my god put some melanin on those fellas when you draw them.. like. etoiles is not a white man. neither is forever. or pac, or bdubs, or ironmouse, or jaiden, the list goes on.. same with the eggs!! there's 14 eggs and how come u are drawing them all white 🤨 also this is just an artist ick in general but when you draw darker tones don't just. make them look like a white person with ashed out slightly-tinted-brown skin. please just go outside and look at some people I am begging you

5 at the end of the day.. this is minecraft youtuber/streamer roleplay we are talking about. it's never that serious,, there's no reason to absolutely hate a character or wish them ill will or any shit like that, esp if u see a design you don't really like or a hc you don't enjoy or think is stupid. it's ok to get invested, obviously, but like. take a step back sometimes. if you're just having a bad time then it's probably time you take a break <3

5.5 but also. if you hate a character so much that you legitimately wish ill will on the cc. then probably touch grass

6 if a character has a canon sexuality, please dont. ship them w the gender they explicitly do not like. this is about bagihalo btw,, she is lesbian, she canonically does not like men, be better. obvs you are free to do so but i will just quietly judge u as i block u thanks <3

7 one last thing i just thought of, also very qsmp-heavy. i love hybrid/creature characters, but some fellas are just funnier to remain human to me. morning crew comes to mind,, forever (although i do love werewolf hcs for him too). scar is so human to me,, just a dude, just a fella..

Okay I'm curious. Since the MCYT fan space has a tendency to unanimously agree on certain headcanons and make a lot of things widespread fanon, are there any popular headcanons, interpretations, or portrayals of characters that you really don't like? I genuinely wanna know. Any popular ships you dislike? Any creaturifications that you dislike? Or even just the way people talk about a character?

[yukipri]

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[literaphobe]

i don't understand why purpled is so popular with the reddit. theres nothing wrong with him but no other cc has had such a massive shower with praise as purpled. like they love fruitninja but at least with them they can point out strengths and weaknesses, but noone ever holds any criticisms to purpled. ive thought about it a little and like. do you remember when sapnap first started really popping off and how occasionally someone would say something about him being "the new technoblade", maybe that kind of thing is being projected onto him?? another anon mentioned his bedwars ability as a reason ppl may like him, and techno had a whole series of the bedwars winstreak and was big with hypixel fans, so maybe thats part of it? it could just be more misogyny as well, he and jojo joined canon events the same time so maybe they just - consciously or not use him as a way to undermine her.

if anything sapnap went through so much to be considered S tier, had to literally break 4k coins, and still gets the ol’ ‘his teams are always so cracked!’ argument to downplay his success. anyway i just looked at the mcc wikis

and i think people have such a hard on for ‘changing the rules’ for purpled because he got 2nd in mcc24 (which. would not have happened imo if not for ace race being the fiasco that it was) and second frag on his team was ranboo at 22nd place. and they were like losing their minds about it because its such a hard carry. and in all honesty i think this is mostly ranboo’s fault for not getting a better placement (um joke)

BUT. two things: the actual first place in that event was hbomb, who beat purpled by 200 coins. like id get it more if the difference was less than 50 coins but in no way was that purpled being cheated of first place. like he just wasn’t first! which means he didn’t do the best! and yes ranboo and wilbur ‘underperformed’ so you can say ‘oh poor unlucky purpled had to hard carry’ but part of being S tier is that you have to LEAD your team into performing better instead of just doing well on your own. and he’s done that on cracked teams but he hasn’t gotten first…

also, in that same event jojo was only like 50 coins behind him, and SHE HAD THE LITERAL WEAKER TEAM BY A LONG SHOT. everyone predicted that team in last bc they had way less experience and hannah was literally new. while the gap between jojo and hannah wasn’t as big as the gap between purpled and ranboo it was still pretty damn significant and she still carried HARD and defied MANY expectations…. so why was purpled suddenly undeniably S tier but not her?

[balillee]

heres a hot take for you.

i feel like everyone always makes it seem like c!niki n wilbur have this meaningful friendship n stuff but i....genuinely do not see it, at all. like, yeah, cc!niki n cc!wilbur have a very good n meaningful friendship, but thats just not the case with c!niki n wilbur, imo.

i mean, the only two important times that they interact canonically (at least the ones i remember/stand out to me) are when hes welcoming niki into lmanburg for the first time and when he tries to protect her during the red festival. both times just feel like “this is just something wilbur would do and isnt indicative of their relationship”, and everyone Acts like it is,

and it is SO frustrating bc it makes c!nikis actions (taking the pogtopia coat, getting upset over ghostbur, etc) just so WEIRD and bizarre. like it kind of feels like c!niki is a fangirl in a parasocial relationship with a dead ex-president. which is REALLY funny, but i hate it,

you can correct me if im wrong, maybe im just missing something bc i dont watch every stream (i haven’t actually sat through n watched an entire stream/vod since nov 16th), but thats just how i feel.

i don't remember too many specific interactions between them, but honestly, that might be the point you're making here lmao. c!niki's only really close relationship with anyone from what i remember is c!fundy, and that was from the pet war. she was meant to have a proper role following the manberg festival with c!tubbo and c!tommy, but she disappeared and made a reappearance at the coup. the two characters were friends, but from what i remember, their friendship wasn't anything of note and their canon friendship was definitely just their irl friendship, unlike how bench trio both have cc! and c! friendship dynamics (in which their c! dynamics have context through canon experiences such as doomsday and the festivals).

a big problem i have with c!niki in general is that her character is completely inconsequential - her actions have no consequences on anyone else, whether positive or negative. her entire thing on doomsday has had no narrative significance, nor has her city (which was started during tubbo's presidency, meaning she left l'manberg long before she pretended she ever gave a shit about it at the second festival), she was inconsequential in the nuke plot (and basically only served to give jack manifold someone to talk to) and her only contribution to the syndicate was telling c!techno and c!phil the name of snowchester and leading them there, which all could have been done by c!ranboo, and she had no effect on the red banquet whatsoever, and literally left the event early because there was nothing for her to do and no reason for her to be there (especially considering that this was literally her first ever interaction with the egg and the eggpire). there was literally an opportunity for some puffychu lore considering puffy was live, but we got more awesamponk lore and neither of them were streaming. her entire character is just aimless, bland, inconsequential, and a missed opportunity. it's gotten to the point where if c!niki shows up i just think - oh, you again. why are you here? you add nothing to this.

i'm so confused as to why everyone likes and cares about her character so much bc i just,,,, don't. i genuinely think she's a bad character, she's not that redeemable, her plotlines are half-assed and reachy at best and i wouldn't even know how to rewrite her to make her better. she seems to be stuck in some limbo between being vengeful and having a villain arc, or caring about her friends and being kind to them uwu 👉🏻👈🏻 JUST PICK ONE AND STICK WITH IT don't pretend you care about kindness and making the world a better place and then siding with the people that blew up your home and killed c!wilbur, and who murdered your friends without any sort of remorse. c!niki is actually like, an awful person lmao and her relationship with c!wilbur is not at all developed so it's weird to me too that there's no much of a focus on a friendship that wasn't even there.

[tilin-forever]

Yay this is my confession!! In hindsight, I wish I submitted this under my username, but this is a sideblog not my main (and at the time I submitted this, dream fans were still being a bit mean to quackity fans, so I wimped out and put it on anon haha).

I would like to add an addition to this confession that while this was focused on the missed opportunities for BBH (bc he was paying for the server), I would like to add that another main frustration, for me, was that Quackity was not able to give his character a proper ending with Slimecicle or Wilbur (or even with Sapnap and Karl) due to communication issues in the DSMP (BBHSMP) discord in terms of when multiplayer lore events could happen.

I suspect that part of the reason why Dream did the nuke ending with only Tommy was to “simplify” the ending of the server (and avoid these communication issues) for season one in order to get a fresh slate (and maybe a smaller cast) for season 2 (which never ended up happening lmaooo). I think that this decision showed a lack of respect for the other players, who at the time, was contributing way more lore to the server than Dream was. I personally did not get a chance to feel a personal connection to the new players (outside of Aimsey) bc their lore did not get sufficient time to be explored within the world or interacted with by other players.

Also to amend to the improv point: I can appreciate that improv made the lore difficult especially during multiplayer events (such as Ranboo deciding that his character was going to die a hour before the prison break which contradicted with the lore of ho16), but i think that open improv and having multiple pov’s to follow made the server so fun to watch despite the slight inconsistencies (especially as a quackity watcher, it was so fun to see how his character evolved in reaction to the wider events of the server).

The point is that the main reason why I really dislike the nuke ending was bc it was one person deciding how all these diverse povs was going to end, with no regard for the cc plans for their characters, and that to me sucked all the fun out of having been invested in it (I still have not rewatched anything past Quackity’s last lore stream bc of that). I felt like the way the DSMP ended was very similar to the way Game of Thrones ended, as they were both culturally significant shows (in that so many people were talking about it) that had a badly written ending that resulted in people almost immediately not talking about either show in the way they used to when the ending happened (which was fascinating to observe in a way).

The only good thing with the nuke end was that the resolution of the eggpire arc was supposed to occur in a post-apocalyptic world (please correct me if wrong, it’s been a while since I heard this). So it does give me comfort that BBH (bc his life force is connected to Skeppy’s) and the Badlands survived the nuke, which truly makes the DSMP now canonically the BBHSMP to me hahaha.

anyways sorry for the long amendment, been a while since I really thought about the BBHSMP ending haha. At least we can now enjoy the BBH and Quackity lore on the QSMP now <3

Ever since I heard that BadBoyHalo was paying for the DSMP server, I’ve been calling the DSMP server the BSMP (or BBHSMP) in my head. It does infuriate me how much Dream cut short the interesting plots of everyone’s stories (especially BBH’s eggpire arc) with the nuke end on a server that Dream wasn’t even paying for. It truly goes against the #1 improv rule of “yes and” (not trying to be too neg about cc!dream bc it’s against your rules, just my honest opinion about what cc!BBH had to do that isn’t talked about much).

[minecraftsz]

transcripts of my jack manifold character notes from his stream today below the cut :) (slightly edited for clarity, denoted by curly brackets) please rb if u find this useful <3 :D

Jack’s Lore Discussion (page 1)

Joins after first L’Manwar

Begins w/ ambiguous allyship

Paid to kill Tommy, burn his stuff by Dream

[Original plan (never came to be)

Double agent - has true loyalties, but it’s unknown]

(time skip - 2 month streaming break, allied with l’manburg {during this, left the day of schlatt’s election})

Returns w/ no knowledge of goings-on

Goes off on his own - abandoned by L’manburg/Pogtopia/Manberg

page 2

Abandons everyone to found Manifoldland (ML) after Schlatt’s death - no longer trusts his friends

Vows to run ML better than Schlatt {ran Manberg}

{creates} “be better” sign {with part of Schlatt’s portrait}

Pre-Exile

Manidolf wants to ally w/ Tubbo {+L’Manberg} after Dream attacks ML

{damage} not on purpose - product of Dream-Tommy feud

{”be better” sign is turned into “be worse” sign after ML’s vandalization}

Jealous of Tommy - feels like a side character in his own story

over time turns to malice

page 3

Wanted to play the *first* sympathetic villain of DSMP

then acknowledges wil lol {in reference to cc jack being reminded that wil did it first - cc wasn’t paying attention during 2 month break lol}

Tubbo refuses to ally (:c)

{in conversation} reveals Tommy is why Dream burned ML

{now Jack} knows that if Tommy fucks up 1 more time he’ll be exiled

{jack} frames Dream {in pranks} to get Tommy to lash back + get exiled & out of the way

(wanted to be a Doofenschmirtz)

Main goal: revenge on Dream (+Tommy) thru silly plans

page 4

*didn’t know how bad exile would be {(in reference to Jack wanting to get Tommy exiled}

Forgives Tommy during exile

Goes to visit + loses all his shit b/c Tommy kills him >:(

>Jack hates Tommy

Needs allies

Badlands

L’manburg, etc

Goes to L’Manburg festival

holy shit theyre blowing shit up !

>Protect Tubbo motivation

(preexisting - comes into play now)

{basically, b/c tubbo had always been nice to jack jack never disliked him and wants to keep him safe - this motivation continues through his later actions}

realizes it all boils down to Tommy and Dream

>Tommy is a villain

>has to ally w/ Tommy to kill Dream

page 5

Bench w/ everyone (inclu. Tommy) {post-total destruction while everyone’s mourning}

{retcons motivations:} starts to be sympathetic to L’Manburg - doesn’t stick

Loses final canon life to Techno

fights him b/c L’Manberg was just destroyed {- unclear if just due to high emotions or b/c of grief / anger over destruction}

FALLS INTO HELL (the void)

(happy accident! canonizes death) {before the lag glitch he hadn’t been planning to make the techno death canon}

realizes all his deaths were from Tommy + Dream

claws his way back out out of spite and anger

{the only reason he’s alive is to get revenge on tommy - not only were the deaths unfair but he was betrayed}

*didn’t fully die - hanging on by a thread* {retconned as a way to explain why dream could say that nobody had ever been revived before}

page 6

Jack + Niki team up to go after Tommy

Gets invited to Snowchester, tries and fails to nuke Tommy

{the vod goes a little out-of-order now}

Jack is maybe redeemable now?

{on Jack’s reasoning for using a nuke to kill Tommy}

Doesn’t want to hurt Tubbo

Thinks Tommy has manipulated Tubbo into becoming his sidekick

Believes {that while it might hurt him,} it’s in Tubbos’ best interest to die

> an accident {would be the least painful way (for Tubbo) to do this}

Promises to return to ML - still thinks it holds meaning for him

Tommy invites Jack to Biginnit Hotel

{Tommy is put in prison}

page 7

“I’m going to take and take and take” {while explaining why Jack took the Biginnit}

JM finally deserves to have something

nobody else deserves what they have

takes the BigInnit hotel

“fill the void with capitalism” lol {jack compensating for how empty + angry he feels after tommy’s (percieved?) betrayal}

plans to keep Tommy in prison

{this} reveals he might not {have} actually want{ed} Tommy dead

[Spire is not from unjust death, it’s motivated by {feelings of} betrayal] {he emphasized this point a LOT}

JM is lonely and upset and betrayed

TOMMY DIES:

celebration -> grief + realization

(plus anger at Dream {for taking revenge away from him}

page 8

thunder1408 -> Jack Manifold

{coincides with and is} representative of development :’) {someone in chat mentioned this, it wasn’t intended but he thought it was cool}

Came back for revenge - never got it

No more goals (hotel doesn’t count {- he calls it vapid, refers to it like it’s mostly just a distraction)

Misses Tommy, being friends, everything. {his death is} bittersweet.

[Tommy can’t hurt JM anymore,

this is best for the server,

(power trip - “i will save the server”)

but JM still misses him.]

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Tommy doesn’t even know he’s hurt Jack {or given him a canon death either, most likely}

“Jack - no, no one’s hurt you, Jack” {(quote from Tommy during Dream’s capture)}

{there was more info and insight given after his main Lore Explanation during his dono Q&A but i didnt catch it bc i had to walk my dog lol)

that concludes the transcript hope this helped someone ehe :)

[i-did]

hi hello i couldn't sleep last night so i was scrolling thru all ur asks and stuff and ur opinions and analyses are so interesting!!! and then afterwards i was thinking about what u were saying about mlm smut and i'd also been thinking about such things a little bit recently bc like.....at a certain point it becomes quite clear that the vast majority of smut-writing is just imitation. like there's the sex noise verb list and all and the whole general mechanics of the sex and those things just .... replicate over and over. and the whole thing w people writing mlm vs wlw smut regardless of their own sexual orientation..... like i feel like a big part of that is just a self-perpetuating thing. like if u have not had sex and u r getting all ur (pleasure-related) sex ed from fandom (even if u do watch porn, that doesn't rlly tell u how to describe stuff? idk) regardless of What fandom , the majority is going to be mlm smut. which is itself majority imitation of other mlm smut, imitating and imitating back to whoever knows what the first smut fanfic was etc. there's just way More to mimic than there is on the women side of things. which then becomes a self-perpetuating thing, bc the mimicry continues and generates more and more. and---if there are fundamental misunderstandings of anatomy involved---those self-perpetuate as well. and maybe even exaggerate. and yeah. does this all make sense? idk i was just thinking about it. like all the stereotypes and stuff continue bc writers are getting their inspo from other writers rather than their own brains. or something. idk!!!!! it's just all... divorced from reality? bc words. or something!! i hope u get what i'm trying to say. just thoughts i've been thinking. anyway i think ur thoughts are cool. and ur writing. ok bye have a good day!!

Okay yeah this is kinda messy but hope u see this, uhh yeah I think you're right about the echo chamber effect fr about stuff. I think it's a mix of projecting too sometimes. talk more under the cut and also link to a video essay since I love video essays.

Here’s a video that sort of touches on this topic: 

“Gay fanfiction” by Sarah Z. (has CC)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8E_C00dKwI

This video begins to talk about fetishization at the end, but also… not really. The words “gay fanfiction” is used as a catchall, when really gay fanfiction is largely mlm written by non-mlm.

Fandom is a largely women's space dominated by the female gaze in a media industry world that is dominated by men and the male gaze. I'm really glad women have this space to explore creativity and queerness, and I don't expect the female gaze to go away, but I am still ultimately bummed out I can’t read most fanfic or interact with most fandom spaces without having fetishization in my face. 

So about 80% of fandom is women, and most of those women aren't straight, but 90% of those women prefer mlm ships. Why don’t they prefer wlw ships? Well definitely part of it is the fact that queerbaiting is centered around white straight men, and then there is also the fact that women tend not to be written as well charcter wise. But the fact still remains that you get jerjean getting priority over Layla and Alvarez who are in canon just as much and are a canon wlw couple who actually interact as well as Alvarez could likely be a woc because of her Hispanic last name. Korasami doesn’t get nearly as much hype as zuko and saka, despite the fact that they are 2 fully dimensional characters who canonly kiss and hold hands, something the creators fought for and ended up having to sacrifice another reboot for. 

I do believe the fandom echo-chamber is largely responsible for… a lot of things, like you're saying. But what's interesting is that the complaints I've heard about visual porn from non mlm in the fandom space is that they can’t get off to it because its for the male gaze and misogynistic usually. But they also don't seem to notice how the mlm smut circles has the female gaze and is also… almost always mlm. If it was a pure anatomical not knowing thing, I get that, but I also think that leads to the question of “then why the male body for porn, and not your own? The one you know and are familiar with?” 

I know some people want to get outside of their own body for porn and don’t want to think of their own anatomy at all, but overall I'm still uncomfortable. If an anglo said “well I watch porn of only Mexicans so I don't self insert” I'm gonna be like … hhhh in a similar way. I understand people “like what they like” but I wish they also noticed said patterns in the first place. I understand the t4t tumblr porn circle, and how it's different from cis people who only watch trans porn. 

I actually wished that instead of fandom focusing on mlm ships where some asshole guy hits on bottom troupe charcter for top troupe character to save, was instead… a wlw character experiencing said shitty getting hit on and other wlw swooping in. what's interesting is fandom writes a lot about misogynistic experiences without often realizing it. Ive read fanfic where guys get called sluts for sleeping with people or called bitch for speaking their mind, these arent things men usually experience, but rather women. Fandom has a lot of internalized misogyny and also queerphobia imo. Women characters often get pushed to the sidelines and men become the canvas for female fans to project onto. 

There is this natural inclination to mlm. When people are talking about “gay shipping” or “gay books” or “gay feels” or even just “gay” mlm is what’s largely in mind. I honestly am kinda saddened by this because if gay fanfiction was really solely about writing more to feel represented, then you would see a lot of bi and ace and lesbian rep, but this isn't the case. Queer women are seriously underrepresented, and I want to hear their stories and read them in fanfiction as well as published. 50% of lgbt literature is mlm, and of that its largely written by women. Becky Albertalli, Rainbow Rowell, Maggie Stiefvater, are the YA big names and are all women writing mlm. Red white and royal blue is written by Casey McQuiston and Captive prince (which is not YA) is written by C. S. Pacat, who is non-binary, but is also TME and not mlm. These are all the big names in mlm lit, behind them is some gay men, but honestly their stories aren't preferred, they're not the right “flavor” for the consumers usually, who are largely women. In general YA consumers and authors are women, but I wish that they… just wrote about women too. I think there is a certain… snowball effect to the overrepresentation of mlm representing the whole LGBT community that leads to fetishization, as well as misogyny playing a factor in: less women characters being written well to write fanfic on, when they are written well they're taken less seriously or the audience struggles to relate to them, they're less marketable then men. 

Idk I never feel “seen” or “represented” by any of the books above, which don't address boyhood and manhood and queerness intersecting really, and AFTG doesn’t either. I relate to AFTG as a trauma victim who has experienced a lot of what many of the characters go through and have gone through in the EC as well as them just overall being very well written characters, but I don't relate to it as a mlm really. I've never seen like.. gay voice or being straight passing or femphobia or how boyhood can be affected from a young age by those around you sensing you're ‘other’ or if you didn't experience this you feel outside the mlm community. Let alone sub cultures like bear and leather and pup, at most you see the word “he's such a twink” in fandom which... i fr hate non mlm using that word because it's usually used to replace the f-slur essentially, used derogatorily or to call him “such a bottom” and stuff like that. It’s like a joke or an insult.

Long story short, idk mang this was a ramble and I think I'm coning down with something. I wanna see more queer women rep and women authors writing about being a queer woman too. I think it's a complex web of fetishization and a bit of forbidden love yaoi culture (or it used to be in the BOYXBOY days) as well as misogyny on an industry level, creator level, as well as reader/consumer and fandom level. I don’t think it’s inherently wrong to explore other peoples stories and what we read has to be segregated, “only mlm are allowed to read and write mlm, only wlw are allowed to read and write wlw,” but I also think author’s intent and audience and background is telling, as well as overall statistics. Like about an hour ago I was looking for cookbooks in spanish or in english, and I was looking for some mexican food cook books, but I had to look for them using words in spanish because otherwise what came up was a bunch of “fiesta party, easy as uno dos tres authentic cooking!” and I was like… hm. Since I could tell they were marketing to anglos. (also the author’s last names were like michelle smith, james cooper, and this could be for a variety of reasons, but I trust Hispanic names more tbh and deadass would look at the authors pictures and if they had other books in Spanish or what their specialties were.)

anyways. not sure how to end this. uhm if anyone has any book recs (my to read list is like 500 books tho no joke) preferably not YA white mlm written by a white lady, hopefully queer women written by queer woman, LMK, I need more wlw and queer women stories on my list. I have a decent amount but always looking for more. I kinda wanna link my goodreads or my storygraph but I also don't want to get doxxed and it has my legal name on it so.

Also, I'm dyslexic and using spell check but if there's like some wild typos my b.

[michibikionmain]

This isn’t THE tommyinnit villain essay but it sure is one of them

Ok ok so 4 those of u who aren't on discord with me: i have two main essays that have been in the works for MONTHS, these being my Complete Dream character analysis essay going in-depth for nearly all of his canon interactions and finding his character traits and motivations through the story, and my Tommyinnit (and Wilbur Soot) were Always The Villains on the server essay talking about how the only reason so many people view them as the good guys or heroes is because we see the story from their perspective mainly. This essay? Is not either of those. BUT, it does go through a lot of my thoughts on Tommy and Dream’s characters so I figured I’d post it. maybe itll help me organize my thoughts 4 my Mega Projects lol

@ranboocore bc u helped me pop off on this so hard LMAO

Warning, it’s VERY Tommy Critical, what a suprise. I do not like Tommy as a character lol. idk what triggers yall might need me to tag but if u need one in particular pls lmn!

My biggest issue with tommy's character is that he SAYS hes learned but he never does he is exactly the same person he was at the start of the server just More Sad and with Trauma, when out of all the characters he's had the most push to change. c!Tommy is a very tell-don't-show character which can make it hard for some people to connect to him, especially those who don’t directly share his trauma or see themselves in his character. Of course, there is still a MASSIVE amount of people who relate to his struggles and thus love him regardless of his writing, but those who can't relate to him will always feel some kind of barrier until the things they've talked about are actually shown to the viewer instead of being spoon-fed to them.

It is a very beginner writing thing, and I'm hoping that Tommy is figuring out how to fix this, maybe with support from the many other writers on the server. There's the 3 you mentioned, plus fundy, niki, and maybe tubbo who also play dnd, plus Dream who said he would've been an English major and does a lot of personal writing for fun.  I think the biggest issue in the writing lies in the individual ccs being inexperienced in the medium, particularly with planning out their own character growth. 

Another glaring issue I have with c!Tommy is how he's framed to be sympathetic and he goes through all these horrible things without acknowledging his role in any of them. The things that have happened to him are a direct result of his actions, but the thing is HE won't acknowledge and so it falls flat. This isn’t to say that being abused is his fault, because it’s NEVER the vicitm’s fault, but being exiled? His multiple fights with c!Dream? His friendships falling apart? Losing the disks in the first place? They’re the direct consequences of HIS OWN actions, but he never acknowledges this and constantly just... brushes off any accountability by either saying that it’s Dream fault or simply SAYING he feels bad without properly showing it through redemption and GROWTH.

Denial is useful in storytelling sometimes, but Tommy's character has been in denial since the very beginning of the server and at this point it's just exhausting. He only ever switches between denial and depression, not really going through all 5 stages of grief properly. His violent/upset reactions would be more powerful if they were any different from how tommy usually acts, but this is always how he is. When he “lashes out” because he’s reached the end of his patience, it doesn’t SEEM like the snap it is because that’s just... it’s seriously just his standard reaction to everything. It hold no WEIGHT to see c!Tommy yell at someone violently or threaten to fight them because he does that anyways!

Static characters can be a good thing, and can be interesting if done correctly, but not every character SHOULD or CAN be static in a story.

Static characters need to have their position or behavior challenged and question, where they look into if the way they see and interact with the world is really the 'correct' one or just evaluated to see if they truly believe in them. This questioning period is CRUCIAL! and NEEDS to be well done in a way that ACTIVELY SHOWS the conflict between the two ideals. If they decide to hold onto their beliefs/continue their behavior then, it feels deserved, because rather than just being a flat "they do thing its who they are" they have defined WHY. WHY is a very important question to think of when telling the difference between dynamic and static characters. The why of a character is ESSENTIAL to developing them as a relatable, sympathetic person rather than a flat story telling device. It makes them a human rather than a puppet. When a character's motives aren't well defined or discussed, they're doomed to fall flat in everything else, because the WHY is the foundation of what makes them who they are.

c!Tommy has an underdeveloped "why", his motivations are weak, rarely properly discussed and when they are it doesn't particularly stick with him. His motivations change without showing us the internal struggle that should come from literally shifting your driving principles. There are some good MOMENTS of him reevaluating the importance of certain things, but they're so spread out and contradictory and immediately spat one that they're hard to piece together. He TELLS us what his motivations are as well, which is another big flaw when it comes to all that but we don't have time to unpack all THAT Anyways, the key to static story telling is reaffirmation. The character goes through a complete journey and ends with the same beliefs because they've looked into why they have them and determined that they still matter to them. A great example of static writing in my eyes is c!Techno, who since the beginning has believed that governments are bad. c!Techno enters the server to destroy a government, and still ends up doing that because he sees and we see him experience that the reasons he didn't like government before still hold true and he has no reason to support them any more than before, and so his anarchist beliefs are REAFFIRMED, proving to him that they way he handles things is the right one for him.

c!Tommy’s attachments are all just... they're all so weird.  like he LITERALLY SACRIFICES HIS LIFE MULTIPLE TIMES for L'manburg. By action of sacrifice it seems like it should be the most important thing to him, but then he throws it away for some disks that mattered less to him just a minute ago.  But then it's all about how c!Tubbo is worth more than Anything and maybe he's found something more important! but then he shoves THAT out the window for the discs again ig!!! but then it's about l’manburg again? Make it make sense.... pls....

Here's smth that really irks me about Tommy's character, and is kind of weird but give me a second to explain: Tommy has never actually permanently lost much of anything on the server. Every punishment he's ever received he's tried to find some way around. And like... I'm not expecting him to be HAPPY to face the consequences of his actions but seeing him constantly have his cake and eat it too is very irritating, especially when there are characters who DO have to deal with actual permanent sacrifices. The whole thing with the disks. where he WILLINGLY OFFERED THEM UP AND GAVE THEM AWAY THEN SPENT FOREVER TRYING TO STEAL THEM BACK WHILE CLAIMING DREAM STOLE THEM FROM HIM, is the biggest example of this, but it's generally his characters way of dealing with things. He's very backhanded and conniving, constantly calling himself "big man" except for when he wants things from people and he plays up the "iM a MiNoR" card to try and get them to give him things or feel bad. He's not just some sweet innocent kid like people paint him, he knows damn well he's messed up and while he SAYS he feels bad about it, he has never once really shown, with his ACTIONS, regret for what he's done except for the stuff with c!Sapnap, which could it could be argued he did because he thought it would help get c!Sapnap on his side to fight Dream and he knew c!Sapnap was a skilled warrior and could possibly be persuaded to fight with dream.

c!Tommy is in NO way some sweet innocent child, he knows what he's doing. He KNEW l'manburg was a drug empire, and wanted to turn his hotel into the same He was FULLY prepared to just murder c!Schlatt for legally winning an election that he KNEW was rigged AND INTENDED TO HELP RIG HE LITERALLY TEAMED UP WITH c!TECHNOBLADE KNOWING THAT HE INTENDED TO BLOW UP L'MANBURG AND ONLY LEFT WHEN HE REALIZED IT WASN'T GOING TO ACTUALLY HELP HIM--

The line of c!Wilbur saying "Tommy, are we the bad guys?" wasn't him mentally going batshit it was him realizing that the entire time they've been doing terrible things. c!Wilbur was literally ALWAYS Vilbur but the time people CALL Vilbur is when c!Will himself realized he was a villain.

[olwolo]

Oh yeah it's pretty much a metagame thing lol it's hard to point out where things end and start tho bc like one of the reasons I feel that c!tubbo is like that is bc cc!tubbo just really wants to play minecraft with his buddies lmao so ig it's hard to distinguish between both so that's probably why the audience kind of think like that. Like when phil and techno heard that tommy died and stuff like that. And yeah I used to be kinda :// about clingy duo drifting apart but you're so right, and that last stream before wilbur came back just shows how much they are still there for each other despite carrying on with their lives, it's really refreshing to see they grow more independent and strong but somewhat together. Tommy had the hotel, tubbo and snowchester and ranboo with the syndicate and just living with phil and techno overall just seems like a healthier thing because despite all that, tommy still calls for help when he needs to face his trauma and mine stone for wilbur etc etc. Really nice to see ugh c!bench trio my beloved.

And UGH I KNOW RIGHT? C!wilbur @ big q be like "you're being petty and I love it" meanwhile I'm right here @ Wilbur like "you're being petty and and I love it." Man is out there lowkey ignoring everything around him and only listening when he wants to ugh fucking hypocrite (unfortunately, affectionate). Cc!wilbur really knows how to stick it to the man and like, to every single one of his viewers lmao and I love how c!quackity is like really holding himself from giving a shit to whatever he's planning!! We love character development and MAN imagine both wilbur and techno meeting at the prison like... how awkward would that be for techno lmao if they managed to put quackity in there returning from his daily visit I wouldn't mind either. But real talk here, what are your thoughts about techno helping dream break out of the prison? I need a specialist opinion for this bc my mind has been all over the place for that lol it seems like something that will eventually happen but ?? idk if I want that tbh ?? IT'S WEIRD bc IT'S COOL but also,,, idk,,, they always surprise me with these kind of stuff too so there's that and maybe I'm c!techno apologist so my opinion really isn't reliable lmao 🧨

yupp the metagaming seems to be a problem for some of the audience and from what i've seen it leads to unnecessary drama and shitting on characters for ccs just doing a bit or applying fanon to canon... personally i tend to heavily disconnect the characters from the ccs when i interpret the story which is very helpful imo

and god, my thoughts are all over the place rn but. bench trio. yeah. as for the breakout. spoilers for techno's stream under the cut:

alright, i'm pretty sure c!techno is going to help c!dream escape lol and personally i cannot wait for more team chaos content. i think it's safe to assume that techno will escape the prison using the statis chamber when dream finishes writing down everything techno asks for regarding the prison and will probably break him out after that? can't really tell if phil will get involved but i wouldn't be surprised, same thing about niki and ranboo. though it would be interesting to maybe see wilbur involved in the breakout plan since i don't see him being able to visit anytime soon dsjdkfl i just want techno, dream and wilbur to interact even if briefly cause i cherish the antagonistic dynamic they had going on around the 16th. though i'm completely prepared for something to happen that will just derail my expectations for where this storyline will go at any moment as always. either way dream and techno being roommates is hysterical to me

[ranvwoop]

TALK ABOUT AMERICAN HEALTHCARE I HAVE AN IDEA OF WHY IT'S THERE BUT I WANNA HEAR THE EXPLANATION ALSO THE ONLY HOUSE THAT"S NOT ON FIRE (YET) FOR THE SAME REASON I JUST WANNA SEE THE ANALYSIS:TM: IF U WANT I WANNA SEE IF I GOT IT RIGHT :D

Hi :DDD. Thank u for asking,,,, I have many thoughts. I am sorry in advance. This is one of those things I will put under a readmore because I am into rambling. IT GOT A LOT LONGER THAN ANTICIPATED IM SORRY. Like. a lot. It was 4 pages in google docs because i dont trust tumblr to save my drafts

Okay a lot of my Ranboo thoughts are about the syndicate / boreal trio / peerpressure duo. But you’re probably aware I am a Them enthusiast first and both a dsmp enjoyer and person second. Because. I really like the syndicate. I also don’t have too too many thoughts on the more recent lore past the experiments. Once the in character monologues stopped, so did my brain. I communicate through monologue to monologue communication.

American Healthcare is actually gonna be the main reason why this is so long bc it works Very Much for like three different reasons. One sorta niche and abstracter reason is a stream that was basically never elaborated on back in March, either the day after or very close to the peerpressure Egg confrontation stream. The egg called him a coward (for some reason my brain can Only come up with the “stop saying i look like chicken little. he’s dumb, and a coward, and i am NOT a coward” vine), and he is not a coward, so he decided to make an action plan to bring the server together by acting as a mediator for all parties and try to make sure that everyone is happy, because he’s the only one that can see all sides, or something. This was where he said the big happy family™ line but other than Ranboo Become Dream?? analysis nothing else really happened and everything went along as normal.

(I also always held a little bit of suspicion on this stream actually and thought it might be the influence of the egg, because it says it can give one whatever they want, and ranboo wants to make everyone happy and this was a totally foolproof way of doing that. Sort of in a similar way that BBH is convinced that his plan will totally make Skeppy happy. But also Ranboo is just like that, but this felt a little more on the nose than usual and he did fall into the egg and made his decisions after being egged on by it, buT WE’LL NEVER KNOW, WILL WE?

… also I really wanted to see more egg conflict at the time. Peerpressure rlly got involved in the egg plot for cameos at the banquet and nothing else. I do not blame anyone and respect the ccs for all of their attempts to weave plots together but also. also…. we.. we coulda had so much…)

That was a little off topic from the point, but… he really just thinks he can save the sick… he can see that everyone on the server is unwell and is wrong but, y’know, look inwardly, the unwell is coming from inside the house. And an inherent problem of the way that the server runs. And if this is still lowkey in effect or not (idk man a) ranboo has monologued a lot I simply chose a one off from march to grow emotionally attached to and b) i think that my brain has shut off once ranboo stopped solo lore streams), it would probably go the way that most choosing to change the system from the inside goes. Which is the point of the song and stuff! He will inevitably decide what’s too far, whether he will either admit it’s a choice or just feel that it’s what he has to do. The, uh, dealing with the devil, to be polite.

in conclusion (but we are not close to done here i’m holding you for a bit longer), i think a lot about that stream and i think that shows what he wants to be, at the very least, and continuing down that path would definitely go into being far more trouble than just a noble goal of wanting to help people, from negotiating with corruption (The lobbyists, the Congressmen and lies bit) and that the server can’t really be brought together and saved like that (When things are more and more this way / Sometimes it's like they'd rather die)

THE LESS. vwoop why have you written an unnecessarily long post about one stream in your playlist character analysis reason is both more literal and piece by piece and also Syndicate, My Beloved, you know the drill. We are going line by line because I have a lot of feelings about American Healthcare, apparently.

This also comes back to that everyone on the server is doing Really Badly, all of the time, but mostly his time in L’Manburg. For one, he is pretty complacent in everything and doesn’t really accomplish much in terms of actual change, so like Well people die every day / I wouldn't have it any other way / I just think they should feel good while they are alive. An example of this is Exiled Tommy — who I’d also metaphorically put as the dead man just for funsies, since Tommy’s whole exile thing was one of the first things Ranboo experienced on the server—as he did try to be friends with Tommy and keep him company with his letters, but he still has no power over the actual issue at hand. Just trying to make it a bit more bearable. Similarly is Techno, while Ranboo still participated in the butcher army that was trying to kill him, he helped in the meantime until he “died”.

And then it’s the Realization that participating in the system doesn’t really help much, and the subsequent Everything. It could be getting mad at the whole government system and that he didn’t mean to contribute to the harm, or how he fought with Fundy using hs ideology but not in the way that Ranboo thought. It could also be standing up to his hallucination Dream, in that he doesn’t try this hard to be a good person just to be accused of helping with all of the things that he may or may not have helped with. (That is… a discussion for not right now, I don’t know.) And I think this sort of area is also where it’s like they’d rather die is also relevant, cause Doomsday. Nobody could just set aside their governments and just get along, though Ranboo had his own solution to fighting and things.

And then he joins the Syndicate! And the lyrics of the song are directly Government Bad, because government bad. Canon anarchist, has done things that he’s not proud of as a part of the government. The lines it was the government / … It got louder over the years / Until all that I could hear was flies and all.

But honestly I think in the Syndicate he’s still trying to “save the sick”! Because the Syndicate don’t All fit eye to eye either. He’s the token pacifist, and a vote against violence whenever it comes down to it. Not all anarchists are violent but Techno and Phil will probably react strongly when provoked, due to All the past events, and I live in a world where their trauma and issues get talked about as much as everyone else’s. Since everything is decided by vote it’d probably be split between them and Ranboo + Niki, who is in her healing/no longer resorting to murder arc. He’ll help them negotiate and then everything will Be Okay, ideally.

(Also I just like the idea of Ranboo believing that he is helping the people he’s living with because canonically cc!Ranboo has said he just really cares about his family and the syndicate are included in his family shut up but they also just believe they’re helping him and yes it’s self indulgent. I care them. Particularly Endduo, actually, or whatever they're called, I am not bold enough to think Ranboo looks at Techno and thinks I Can Fix Him, but. Philza Minecraft will one day talk about his feelings. One day.)

There’s also radioduo and beeduo as of recent— really I’m just saying I think that Ranboo constantly has a Need To Help People, believes he can do it, and it will come back to hurt him in the end (except for the Syndicate because I’m in denial. The Syndicate can’t fall out if they never stream together :) ).

THIS CONCLUDES THE AMERICAN HEALTHCARE PORTION OF OUR SHOW.

The Only House That’s Not on Fire Yet !! I like this one. This is also blatantly there cause Syndicate. They are the only faction that is not actively falling apart, and this could absolutely be because they never stream together. But I do not care. However we are also going to go through this one piece by piece because we’re nearing 1500 words here and I might as well embarrass myself more. I am writing an incredibly informal essay about Ranboo My _Beloved (i assume his middle name is My, and he’s just one of those people who write his full full name) and this is the third page. If you’re still reading this, I’m sorry. Here we go.

There are lines that just seem like an unwell but recovering person, and I like to sort of think that way about Ranboo in the arctic during the down time. “I feel knotted up today / But in a most exquisite way” and “I feel strangely regular / But honestly I prefer it to / The usual bizarre” are just! He’s just hanging out. He’s doing good. There is the acknowledgement that he’s usually not doing well, and all of the episodes that he’s had in the past, and it’s probably strange to be doing well in the midst of everything, and there’s probably something impending, but now? He’s doing good!

The verses directly after both of those ones are about uncertainty and trust and such, and I feel like that’s not necessarily about just One relationship but all of them. Will cause problems as long as he has an accomplice. He is not confident but he trusts and loves people.

“This suit doesn’t fit me / I made it conterfeitly” I just like to think about Ranboo in his fancy suit, but it’s just a little wrong because he actually has no idea what he’s doing. I also like to think about Ranboo in a cape to fit in with boreal trio and later the syndicate, and emerald duo had matchy blue outfits from the Antarctic Empire… and trying to fit in with them…. or maybe They make him something.. You know. Much to think about.

“Killing me with déjà vu” I think is like. A little less fun, because despite how well things are going, the enderwalk is still not resolved and he had even less answers when I started thinking “this is a ranboo song”. Just as it relates to having a strange sense of reality and stuff, which goes into specifics of enderwalk headcanons, which would make this far longer. Even though I’ve framed it as a negative, there is also the more positive note of “Oh! I just thought of how to change all the hate / Into love with the old switcheroo / Dancing in my déjà vu / You'll be dancing too” which I’d rather explain broken up but I feel like as it’s a full verse it should be together. The first part is connected to my general thoughts of him explained earlier tbh, he’s trying Very Hard to make everyone happy and fix things. And adding the second part to it is just like! He is trying to make sense of everything, and it’s not so scary as time goes by. Since the experiments where he’s been (questionably) trying to be more comfortable and get more answers.

This was very long. I am sorry. I am ending it here and probably not going to do much formatting to make it readable because it is very late o’clock and also this is four pages and 2000 words I am so sorry. But if you read this far then. Uhhh thank. ^v^.

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hey i really like you ( can we go out? )

Characters /  Pairing: Fukawa Touko / Naegi Komaru, techincally some background Ishimaru / Oowada, Makoto gets a few lines, and Syo’s present for a bit in the begining.

crossposted on ao3

Notes: hello here's your late day five of @tokomaruweek​ week!! valentine's day prompt!!

the format for the texting section might look a little funky on tumblr since there’s no easy way of aligning right side / left side text but hopefully it’s obvious enough who’s texting what.

heads up i'll be skipping day 6 for now probably! i’ll come back to it when i’ve finished the rest of the week, i just might get stuck on it for a hot minute and i’d like to get the rest of the week out of the way first since i'm already behind.

anyways it's probably also noteworthy to mention that this drabble works on the basis you have a basic understanding of the cultural differences in how japan celebrates valentine's day. i was originally going to try and incorporate white day into this drabble instead of just mentioning it but i wasn’t super happy with how this one was turning out anyways and figured it was best to just get this out as it is!!

i also feel like i should clarify bc that i realize the way i characterize toko in everything this week has made it seems like she hates kiyotaka’s guts but honestly i think they’d be real close!! i really like them as two outsider kids who can relate to each other. they are two sides of the same narrative coin and in this essay i will /j anyways please understand she rags on him from a place of ( platonic ) LOVE. and also bc they r both my cc’s i could never be that mean to either of them. well. no meaner than canon is to them.

edit: forgot tws. nothing super huge bc it's mostly fluff, but it does refrence bullying ( although would you consider faked love confessions / etc as bullying? it's just cruel :( anyways. )

Summary:  valentine's day has never been good for ugly girls ( and hopeless romantics ) like her. 

Valentine's Day. Every girl’s least favorite day.

Or, well, at the very least, her least favorite. Uh, one of her least favorite holidays? Then again, it’s not like Touko really has a ‘favorite’ in the first place, so maybe her point is moot— but she’s getting side tracked here.

One would presume that a romantic like her, an author who writes romance for a living, would live for a holiday that's practically centered around love and romance, but they would be wrong. It’s a miserable reminder of a day for her who has practically been scorned by the idea of relationships. It is a bitter reminder of failed loves and societal norms that she’s never been able to meet.

( Ugly. Rude. Awkward. Unsociable. So what if they’re right? Who is she to tell them they’re wrong? )

If it is not for the fact that she is pretty sure Ishimaru will be at her door if she doesn’t show up, she would probably skip class today. Oh, to be a confident gay man on Valentine's Day and not a closeted lesbian who feels the need to meet heteronormative societal norms. It’s unfair because not only is he ( mostly ) unaffected by this kind of holiday, he’s probably one of the people who care the least about the delicate social intricacies ( and romanticism ) of a holiday like this one. If nothing else, so she can’t say she envies the position this puts Oowada in, because Ishimaru would probably just see this as a learning moment. Anyways before she sounds too envious of her peers for getting their shit together, she just wants it to be unknown that she thinks it’s really unfair that he would get to judge her reasons for wanting to skip school.

( Actually, if she fessed up the deep-seated issues related to why she’d rather not have to be present on a day like today, the last thing he’d do it judge but that’s not really something she wants to acknowledge right now )

Moving on.

Despite the fact that, internally, she is making a fuss about a holiday, she suspects that most of her class probably doesn’t really care about these things. That doesn't mean she feels any less pressured to conform. It’s not like any of them would want chocolates from someone like her anyways, so it’s not like she really needs to be worried...

It’s not the end of the world, stop being such a debbie downer! Syo butts in, ever so helpful. By which she means is very, very unwanted and unhelpful. All the same, they ( unfortunately ) have a point and if she has to put up with this shitty day then at the very least she’d like to have breakfast before someone sees fit to break down her door.

You technically don’t have to do anything. Syo sounds almost too enthusiastic to help with the ‘issue’ at hand.

Using you to escape my problems isn’t always a viable strategy. Touko rebukes. Nor is it a choice, usually.

Only because you try and make yourself as miserable as possible by making things worse for you.

She has nothing to say to that, and instead focuses on braiding her hair to be passably presentable.

“Fukawa-san?” Oh, what she wouldn’t give to not have to hear her name today. Granted, Touko doesn’t think hearing her name being called on any given day is usually a good sign, but it still feels too early in the day to willingly put up with anything and shoots a glare at Naegi, standing in front of her desk. It probably doesn’t help that he sounds nervous for some godforsaken reason, but that’s technically not out of the ordinary, and she’s pretty sure Syo has something to do with that. “Sorry, uh...I was going to try and catch you at your locker this morning, but I guess I must’ve missed you, huh?”

She gives him the most deadpan, withering stare she can muster at the moment as if to say obviously. She’d even turned up to class early because she figured that dealing with whoever else would be in class would be more manageable than having to deal with anything going on in the halls ( because Hope’s Peak is not a normal school and god knows if something can go wrong, it will, and she is not having any of it today ). She assumed that if she looked busy, anyone with any common sense would leave her alone, but Makoto is not the brightest, clearly.

It still kind of throws her for a loop, however, that he chooses to approach her today, of all days. If she were anyone else, or if this exchange happened in any other context, she is sure that him acting like this on Valentine's Day would seem like it was setting up for a love confession. If it weren’t for the fact that Naegi already had a partner so, that’s probably not an issue— not that that would be a theoretical issue, because hey it’s not like Naegi was likely to be the kind of person cruel enough to fake a love confession. That’s definitely not something that’s happened to Touko before and gotten her hopes up only to be horribly crushed and definitely not the reason she’s been particularly defensive today. Nope.

( Yeah, okay, she’s not fooling anyone, but thankfully the only one aware of this is herself. And Syo, but both of these things are clear givens )

It occurs to her that Naegi hasn’t said anything, waiting for her to say something to him, and she grits her teeth irritably. “Wh-What? Spit it out already.”

“Err...are you...” He starts to say something and then seems to think better of it, sheepishly ducking his head for a moment before holding a bag out to her. “Sorry. Komaru asked me to bring these to you. Kirigiri-san had to convince her to not try and sneak into the main building just to bring these to you herself.”

It takes a long minute for her to process what he says before snatching the bag from his grip and holding it close to herself. Friendship chocolates...? That’s probably what’s in the bag. Which is a pretty nice thought in itself— Touko doesn’t usually get gifts like this. It almost makes her not want to touch the bag and ruin the illusion, refrain from eat whatever’s in the bag: but honestly if she doesn’t, Syo will probably make sure to savor it, so she won’t even pretend like that’s an option.

( There’s a part of her that feels a little guilty too, that she hadn’t even considered that Komaru might do something like this and have something prepared for her in return, but if she’d made something and not gotten anything then she’d look like a fool, and it’s not like she would’ve been able to get it to her easily anyways, so she really shouldn’t feel guilty about accepting it, but— )

“I’m glad you like it. She was kind of worried about how you’d take it.” Naegi speaking breaks through her current train of thought and is he still standing here? Had she been stupidly smiling to herself? How embarrassing!

“It’s n-n-not like that...and what kind of person do, do you take me for, anyways...!” Well, if she had been showing any sort of positive emotion on her face, she isn’t anymore. Touko takes this as an opportunity to shove the bag into her book bag, before anyone can notice. For some reason, he looks vaguely disappointed. “I was...ugh, I was just th-thinking that it was surprising she’d trust you with it given the, the track record with how your l-luck turns out!”

Makoto opens his mouth to refute this but thank god someone calls his name from the doorway, and she takes that opportunity goes back to her books before he can try and say anything further to her.

touko-chan!!!!

makoto said he gave you my gift successfully so i know u got it

i think

i didn’t expect u to thank me or anything but it’d be nice

pls tell me u got it right

did u at least read the note i left in there for u

Does Komaru not have homework, or what? She could at least give her a few minutes to try and get a word in. It’s not her fault math is a bitch and Touko is too stubborn to maybe talk to one of her peers into explaining the subject to her.

                                                     Yes, by some miracle I did manage to get it.

                                                                                                             Thanks.

                                                                                        You’re a good friend.

                                                                                                               Sorry.

                                                                                         Is that all? I’m busy.

That is not all, apparently, because Komaru forgoes texting to call her directly. If it were anyone else, she’d ignore it; but since it’s her she figures she can probably talk and do math at the same time.

“So you didn’t check the bag at all?” Komaru speaks before she can even consider greeting her, and Touko rolls her eyes despite the fact that she cannot see it.

“Hello to y-you too. Uh…honestly, I shoved it in my bag earlier and...and haven’t checked on it since. I assumed it was j-j-just candy, and it’s probably safer hid from Syo there.”

“Ugh! I told Makoto to mention to you that I put something else in there. And there’s a box for Syo in there too!” She can practically hear her pouting through the phone line. “Well, uh— I guess that’s fine since you’re busy...? Just check it when you get the chance, okay? Please? I promise it’ll make sense.”

“I got it, I got it. I’ll take a break once I finish this up and check it out. Good enough for you?”

“Mhm! Thank you Touko-chan! I’ll let you go now, so you can focus. Bye!” If Touko wasn’t mistaken ( but probably is ), she sounded almost nervous, the way her words come out in one rushed breath.

Admittedly, now she’s too intrigued by whatever had Komaru pressed enough to make sure she was aware of it, and she doesn’t think she’ll be able to focus now, so...opening the bag it is. She grumbles and groans to herself for a moment, stretching as she gets up from her desk to grab her bag.

She hadn’t really noticed at the time, but now that she thinks about it, there’s some definite weight to this thing, more than she’d expect from some candies ( even now knowing that apparently Komaru had accounted for Syo as well ). Not much though, and she probably would’ve just passed it off for the box the sweet is stored in if she were to really think about it, but now she figures that’s probably not the case. Touko peeks inside the bag a little hesitantly— curiosity wins out over anxiety in the end, and spots what appears to be a small booklet along with a box of chocolates.

Oh god.

She braces herself because, this is probably some kind of manga if she knows Komaru and ( unfortunately ) not a mini-novella but otherwise has no idea what to expect. And once she opens it, she has to thank whatever higher being made sure Makoto didn’t say a thing to her about it because there’s absolutely no way she would have been able to keep a straight face if she’d looked at this in class.

One, she forgot how generally talented Komaru was at this type of stuff. Obviously, still room for improvement, but not nearly as bad as Touko would have thought. Two, this is not really a manga, but a fucking thinly veiled love confession, complete with the most casual ‘Hey I really like you, can we go out?’ Third, she’s extremely glad Komaru did not insist on being on the phone while she checked this out because she does not think she can coherently answer that right now.

In fact, it takes Touko a good half hour to calm herself down enough before she can even consider texting her a response. There’s no way she’s embarrassing herself any further by calling her about it, even if that might have been a more meaningful exchange, but like Komaru just confessed to her through manga so clearly they’re already past that point.

                                                                                                     You’re a dork.

                                           I hate that you’re using your talents for this though.

:)

thats not a no?

                                                                                                          Not a yes.

                         Very tempted to make it a no for making me suffer through this.

touko-chan;;;;;

be gentle to my poor heart if ur gonna reject me :(

                                                                                              Ugh. I was kidding.

                                                                                                      Yes you idiot.

                                                    Just don’t use manga for this stuff next time?

ok!!!!! :)

actually i promise nothing

lol sorry ♡

                                                                                                  You’re the worst.

hehehehehe >:)

i love you too!!

are you busy this week??

let’s meet up!!!

                                             Some of us care about our grades. As should you.

                                                            But Thursday and Friday are lighter days.

                                                                      Yeah yeah. I like you or something.

thank uuuuu ♡♡♡

She chews on her lip as she rereads the message and mulls over it as she tries to ignore the flip-flop of her stomach. It’ll be fine. She’ll just aim to have something planned out for White Day in return.

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Time to talk about my hella far fetched CC theory bc I’m full of stuffing and pie and yet still STARVED for camp camp content

Okay, here me out

Back in season 3 (Dial M for Jasper), David stated he never got to apologize to Jasper because “his parents picked him up”, when in reality, we and the trio know that Jasper was actually killed in the cave on Spooky Island in a dynamite explosion.

Even if David was just told by Cameron that Jasper was sent home, how wouldn’t have Jasper’s parents sued Camp Campbell for killing their son? How’d he pull that off? Who or what did they pick up that day?

Well, I have a wild theory that’ll garuntee anons calling me a dumb bitch and tbh, u do that dsdfsdfdgd

Remember back in season 2 during Eggs Benefits where Cameron said “Yeah, I’m just saying, make sure the guy looks like me”? This proves that Cam indeed has connections to doubles

But this got me thinking, more specifically about the lab in the basement of his summer home on Spooky Island

It’s pretty clear some experiments went down here, experiments that QM seem to be up to, believe it or not

At multiple points, QM has/tried to take DNA samples from the kids. He’s taken Nikki’s hair (and what we can assume is the hair of other campers)-

And in Season 4′s season premiere “Keep the Change” Cameron insists on taking his blood and QM is right up for stealing it

This, and the fact that Quartermaster has been working at the camp since David and Jasper were campers (and, possibly, since the camp first began), we can rightfully assume they’re at least a little close (friends?? brothers?? secret lovers??)

Now, what does this mean? Well, QM is known for traveling to Spooky Island (albeit, for sex related reasons), and the fact he’s collecting all these samples? And what for?

Well, I think QM may just be Cameron’s secret lover I mean his secret Lab genius who forms experiments at his will. Yeah.

But really, think about it. QM’s weird, but he’s not an idiot, he’s up to something and he knows something we don’t know.

But where am I going with this theory? And not just that they’re probs fucking?? WELL-

I think that Cameron had QM collect samples of Jasper’s DNA (whether before or after the explosion is up to you), and used what he’d collected to make a clone of him in his lab.

Why a clone? Well, as I mentioned earlier, Jasper was “picked up” and the camp hasn’t been shut down for murdering a kid (...maybe twice?? Gwen’s had to sign paperwork for a dead kid, but that’s for another day), and it would’ve been EXTRA suspicious for Jasper, who was trying to dig up dirt on Cameron and the Camp’s whole operation only for him to suddenly “disappear” under mysterious circumstances, so it only makes sense for Cam to have QM make a clone of him.

Now, what inspired me to come up with this theory was actually because of a few things I noticed, and it’s specifically about almost all the blondes (excluding Tabii and that blonde townie in Sleepy Peak that wears the trucker hat) we’ve seen in CC.

Blonde hair, blue eyes.

I believe Jasper’s clone was one of the first successful clones made by QM, 16 years after he made and potentially experimented on his fish son, Graggle

(side tracking here, but QM mentions he adopted Graggle 30s years ago when his fish mother “died in (QM’s) arms. We were a bit of a thing”, so this leads me to believe this anglerfish we see in the screenshot I posted earlier is actually his mother who died during one of QM’s experiments, and perhaps he tried to make their son a “human” so he could be a legitmate father??

 that one’s REAL far off, but it adds onto this one lol. And, the fact that Graggle never blinks adds onto my next point-)

So, it makes sense for Cam and QM to clone Jasper, but why David and Gwen? And where does Ered fit into this? Well, we’ll get to her later.

Now, about Daniel, I have two theories on this part.

A)

What if after Jasper’s clone was made, Cameron would be worried about David finding out the truth? I like to imagine that after Jasper’s clone was a sucess, or even as a precaution, a clone of Davey was made. But, after realizing that David’s indeed an unsuspecting idiot of a kid, they simply sent the blonde lil Davey off, only giving him a basic name of “Danny”

Eventually, this kid’s alone on the streets, only to be picked up by a cult, later on coming back to Camp Campbell not knowing of his true origins as a clone, but finding the idea of going to camp and posing as a counselor exciting... 

Or B (which would also explain Jen))

Cameron figured they’d either find out the truth as adults while looking through paperwork, or he was experimenting and tried to make the “model camp counselor” to hire off and make big bank off of, giving them slightly different names, and planned on later killing both David and Gwen to instead use his new genetically superior counselors, up until they gained free will and escaped into the real world, but maybe they’re a lil kooked in the head with the whole cultist and satanism things going on, but who knows

Now, onto M(ered)eth...

So, this is a BIIIIG stretch, but bare with me.

So, remember earlier in the theory where I mentioned that Gwen’s had to do a bunch of paperwork for a dead camper, as stated in canon here?

Well, what if Ered was that camper? Where maybe a year or a few prior to canon (before Max was there, even) there was an accident, and a camper wound up dead, and the parents knew.

Cameron, being Cameron, sent out his people to come “take care” of the parents before they had the chance to sue after losing their precious daughter, all this during the stages of cloning them a new daughter to send back to them.

This left this poor clone kid orphaned, which eventually lead her to being adopted by a certain couple of agents that’re after Cameron’s ass.

(this was... a REACH... my ankles be hurting)

Anyways, this was all fun and I’m tired and FINALLY got this theory off my chest. We’ve come to conclusion that either all the blonde blue-eyed ppl in cc are clones or that cameron and QM are lovers, and I’ll accept either as canon at this point

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@ren-amamiyaa and their (he/she?) Golden Heist, Thief Nanako and Cryptid Chaser aus flooded my brain and now Im making this post bc I cant fit all of this in asks!!!

All right, so, idea. Cryptid Chasers, Thief Nanako and Golden Heist are all connected righr???

CC acts as a prequel, TN becomes the inbetween starring Nanako and Akechi, and GH stars a broken and older IT and slightly jaded PT.

So far CC has Yosuke and Naoto forming the brotp that fanon wanted through silly Saturday Night Ghost Chasers Shenanigans, Akiren is bein' a lil shit at midnight bc he needs an outlet and exercise to Phantom Thief. While this goes on, Akechi's ghost/spirit/rement/heart/whatever pulls pranks and shenans along with Joker (hiwever that happens).

As the Cryptid Chasers keep going out of their way to confront Joker about Arsene (bc even he likes to mess around) the other IT in Inaba start to try and stop them from disrupting the peace (read : harassing a known criminal) and this somehow leads to a falling out. Mayhaps Naoto and Yosuke break a few laws and Chie busts them, Kanji wants to know why theyre stalking his student/protege, and Yukiko just wants to keep the rumors about the inn in check bc jfc Yosuke STOP SCREECHING IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT IN THE LOBBY THERE IS NO GHOST ON THE TV!

Maybe eventually they call it quits or dont bc Naoto dug this hole too deep to climb out themself and Yosuke is having the time of his life since Partner isnt around and hasn't come back to visit yet (Not sayin' souyo is canon and there but-). And the Cryptid Chasers arc probably ends here with there being some animosity towards their shenanigans , but the IT are all still friends.

Now fast forward to like, uhhh (*flings dart at wall of calendars*) 2014 during winter and Akiren's cryptid acts are now fully accepted and maybe exposed, who knows. Nanako is like 10 ~ 12 (P5 is maybe three/five years post P4 I believe) and is just going through the motions of public education. I.E. go to class, do work, get good grades. Dojima is still the same as he was before Yu came but is at least doing better at being a dad, not much but better. Yosuke and Ted aren't around as much bc Junes, Chie is transferred to Tokyo, Yukiko is busy managing the Inn, and Kanji is busy with work (as a teacher and crafts business owner). Rise unfortunately cant come visit and Big Bro now visits every other year.

Nanako starts to look back and wonder how things started to fall apart amongst the group and recalls that "delinquent" who came back at the same time the Cryptid^tm showed up and ruined the group. So now she starts to remember the good times when Big Bro came by and starts to notice some blanks around winter... Why was she in the hospital when she got kidnapled? Why does she remember these weird flashes of Big Bro and his friends and some monster?? And how come she tried to ask them anything about it they brushed her off each time???

The TV in her room flashes and soon she starts hearing things. She starts to move closer to the tv, as if she was in some sort of trance, as the sounds start to become voices to her. When she's directly infront of the screen she sees something... someone on it...

Nanako doesnt show up for breakast, or to school, and nobody seems to have seen her.

A full year passes on after that day. It starts off with a big search party of the IT and Social Links for the first two months, then after ankther three something stange happens... are people forgetting that Nanako existed or something? Everybody's starting to act like completely different peoplw than who they are too, some even end up hospitalozed due to severe headaches and such, and start claiming that Nanako was never around when she vanished or that she left Inaba or was already deamed dead or missing. This rings alarms in the IT's mimds as they search for answers, eventually all fully reuniting for the first time in years/months.

Naoto and Yosuke blame themselves bc they piece together her disappearance with the Cryptid + Ghost case and immediately get scolded for trying to pin their stupid kids game on a missing person's case - especially now with Nanako missing and possibly in danger again! Afterwards the IT are a bit on edge and a bit broken with the whole thing. Meanwhile Akechi can hear the tale ends of "missing person" and "literal disappearnace" and starts looking into this weird limbo metaverse he's in bc some shit is kinda fucked in here now for some reason. They're pretty much only together as a team to rescue Nanako.

GH in the PTs POV starts when Akiren invites the group to the Amagi Inn thanks to licrative money grin- I mean training. He comes clean into having seen something weird on the tv one late night and wants to let the gang know.

Midnight rolls around and Akechi shows up on the screen and the Thieves losing their shit is an understatement - numerous noise complaints were filed that night. Anyways Akechi decides to just play the role of "hey moron, some shits fucked come help fix it" and ends up informing them of a missing girl and this weird TV Mementos world he is in.

I would like to note that Akechi is not at all bitter or confused at everyone's circumstances in life, no of course not Joker stop crying I know its been a while but shutup theres a kid in trouble rn and youre the only ones who can possibly help her.

When the PT figure out a plan to reach this other world Goro is in (Arsene : THOUARTTHEESTICKYOURHANDINTHETVDOITDOITDOITDOIT) the IT eventually come to the very sad conclusion that Nanako moght be in the TV world and that opens a whole can of worms and burnable bridges to cross.

While in the TV world, I'd like to imagine that due to Akechi having been there for a good while it has been shaped to reflect his heart and be the new overall theme of that world. It all still looks like Inaba, but it all holds themes to Akechi and his no good terrible life. However due to Nanako having been in that world as a kid, and now for an uncertain amount of time, the world now holds motifs to the Heaven area from P4, but it's all sorta ruined and kinda darker.

When both teams get together and enter the weird Tele-Mentos world (IT in a Junes storage and PT at either Ren's pad [bc he moved out obvi] (OR bith teams enter from seperate TVs at the Inn so SHENANS!)) Yu and the IT go through Akechi's influenced world/TV Palace, finding out about his tragic backstory and involvement with the PT, but anything that can and could reveal their true identities is blurred and staticy or missing bc Akechi aint gonna snitch out who ruined his sperm donors life (also I guess saved the world too yeah). While going through the Palace the Team starts to think that finding Goro will just be an "if it happens" sort of deal bc he's been missing for years already, what if we just leave him here bc M U R D E R E R.

Cue a sudden appearance by someone in some sort of fallen angel garb who starts whipping out a full on Metal Gear Villain monologue about how hypocritical the IT are when they find the truth about Akechi's life and disappearance - they claimed to want to live in a world where no one hides in the fig, was that all a lie? Are they going back on their word, and hiding behind a shriud of lies and falsehoods once more? "You've gone and lied and hidden the truth already, what's to say you won't continue?"

Meanwhile Akiren and the Thieves enter at the very top of the Heaven TV Set and have to climb all the way down. As they do so they start seeing little murals or epitaphs about memories and people in this girls life. They see all of these memories of a happy girl who had such a loving family - both found and by blood. As they go further and further down the ruins start to look like an actual Heaven, and the scenary becomes more bright and colorful. Eventually they might run into Crow in his Black Mask clothes and give the bastard a slug on the arm and a group hug or two, bc man he doesn't deserve to suffer anymore like this.

Now that the Phantom Thieves have been reunited (Akechi : I can't leave this world The PT : FUCK, MORE PLOT) they end up thinking up ways to get Akechi out until this weird angel priest looking dude shows up and starts babling about how they are criminals and how they've done more bad than good and blah blah blah. Everyone is just all "We're the good guys, we do the right thing even if its morally grey/ambiguous!" and oh look! Another crazed maniac wants to kill us for our "injustice" *Crow has the decency to look away and not say anything* annnnnnd Heaven is locked off. Perfect.

Now maybe the Phantom Thieves and Investigation Team run into each other somewhere in Akechi's Palace and "You have Personas?!?!" "The hell is a Palace?" "YOU'RE THE CRYPTID OF INABA!!?!?" "And Im the 'Ghost' that follows him." "Wait you followed me as a ghost?" "WAIT WHY ARE THERE TWO AKECHIS??!??!!"

Oh yeah, Shadows... Akechi is still kinda in denial about the whole friends and justice thing...

And now the Dark Priest is back great ("Good name Skull" "Well I've got my moments right?").

Annnnnnnd now I have no idea what happens next and Im all burned out but AAAAAAAAA this entire AU crossover thing is so GOOOOOOOOOOD!!!!!

[icharchivist]

(I think,you explained your thoughts well) I can't believe it just hit me that the Pillar looks like a giant sword. I'm probably super late on this. It makes sense since the Pillar, like sword, came to cut down life and is seen as a fearsome weapon. Also it makes me wonder something. What if CC is part of the last Pillar. It might be why the Pillar showed up in Allen's dream and talked to him or why when CC cut Tykki it awoke Joyd's memory instead and caused him to go on a rampage. For some -

2 reason it’s intensely attached to Allen and wants to keep him alive. Even save him from Neah by allowing Apocryphos to merge w/him and not letting him fall. Come to think of it. Allen attacking Mana w/CC is what awoke his Earl side. Maybe CC is (or was) trying to urge Allen to become strong enough so Allen can fight the Earl and attack him until CC awakens him to his Pillar status. That could be one of Allen’s intended destinies. Destroy Time. Which is either the Earl or actual time itself.-

3 Allen somehow knew the original Pillar somehow. If it’s because he was once Bookman Jr then it’s possibly because canon hints the Bookman are aware of all secret history of all worlds. Bookman Sr most likely knows as much as Cross does. Allen has been called by the Campbell’s as the man who knows everything. Whatever Allen’s history is the Pillar knows him. Allen might actually even know how to stop the Pillar and Dark Matter. That’s why both sides want him. The Pillar wants to turn him into-

4 a Destroyer. Allen can defeat the Noah but possibly unleash another threat that’s just as bad. It’s all really confusing because has Adam always been the Pillar? Or was he a normal guy forcibly given the role of Earl after the previous one did it’s job. Is Mana the Pillar in Allen’s dreams talking to him from a repressed memory. Again either way Allen apparently is known by the Pillar. The question is if the Pillar and the Heart are different or the same and what that means for Allen?

(aah thanks fkdjhf i’m glad i make some sense after all)

And ohh good point about the pillar looking like a sword in a way. Really feels like the striking weapon to destroy it all huh. 

There is a good point there… why Tyki’s Noah self awoke upon contact with Allen’s innocence but Skinn died upon contact with Kanda’s? So far we always said it was a question of intend - Kanda wanted to destroy all of Skinn, but Allen was specifically trying to destroy only the Noah side.  But would Allen’s specifically work as a trigger reminding of the Pillar, huuuh….

the thing is that i think, if the Pillar is partially made of innocence, i could see it being from the Cube itself before it broke into pieces through the world - so it would be All Innocences at once. The Order believes the Cube broke into pieces after what happened 7000years ago, if we believe them and think the Pillar was the fusion of innocence and earl essence, then any innocence would count. But i suspect we still have the idea of at least powerful core to the innocence with the Heart and the likes of Apocryphos.

As for CC’s awakening i don’t know - perhaps? I think it as the first time CC was in contact with Dark Matter so had reasons to awake, i don’t know how much the Earl essence is to take into account there, but it could… it would give a very calculating image of CC at this point tho oof.

But yeah good point about the Destroyer of Time thing, i was thinking about that too. The prophecy is there, we know Bookman believes in it, and we know the Order interprets it as killing the Earl, but what if it implies merging with him, becoming the Pillar again? Man would you imagine tho, Allen’s destiny being to merge with Mana to “destroy it all”, especially considering how many pieces of him Allen already has in him? oof.

As for the Bookman to me the fact allen is caught into all of this and knows of those stuff and is called the man who knows everything does hint to Bookman!Past!Allen all over again and i really can’t see it otherwise.

It would make sense if Bookmen knew more than the Order, remember that the Order only had been around for a couple of centuries and that Bookman is the one who told the Order about the existance of the Noah after Rewinding Town, which even Lavi knew about at this point. They had been in the order for a couple of years at this point but they held onto that information until Road appeared and sent a message directly to the Order. So i’d be inclined to think the Bookmen know more about it that they let on and are probably closer to the truth than the Vatican ever was.

The Pillar seems to litterally be a double edged sword, since you brought up how it looks like a sword too. Who knows how it would work once it’s wielded… Hell it’s really hard to determinate since we legit just learnt about it. 

As for the question about Adam, that’s… the huge… huge question….

Mana and Nea are special because out of all Noah, they were those who weren’t born “human” per se, since they were made by the spliting of the Earl. I feel like this is not something say Tyki would be able to do. Hell, we can compare to the actual Noah Twins with the Jasdebi who seems to just be two people who awoke the memories of the Bound at some point, and yet… So, Mana and Nea’s nature itself is already super weird.What does it tell us about Adam? Humm…. I think it was told he was there for a few thousands year at least, before spliting at least. That this sadness of carrying all of this on his shoulders is why he split. 

So perhaps Adam is not like the others Noah, not awaken in human genes but an actual entity that keeps on living, like a heart of dark matter perhaps? But who the hell knows……

And here we really need to wait bc the chapter really put a spin away from the Noah mythos. We can’t really use the Bible as a starting point here. In it it was told that Noah was chosen by God for his family to survive. But according to Road and how it came out of nowhere, it doesn’t seem like Noah was chosen…. Or if it was, it was forcefully. The merging that is…. 

As for “if Mana is the Pillar” that would raise the question since in Allen’s dream the Pillar seems to talk to him: 

To me it doesn’t feel like the Pillar is having any respect or love for Allen and even less so for Nea. If that’s a memory that is. 

But we also have a Memory of Mana taking Allen away in this place…

Gaahh i really don’t knoooow anymore.

Personally i still feel like the Pillar may be a merging between the Earl and the Innocence in some way or another, and that it brought destruction : Hoshino likes to work in pairs with a secret third elements linking those pairs, so i wouldn’t personally look for One And Only thing to justify the existance of the Pillar. 

And how much would the “spliting of the Pillar” change what the innocence and the earl would want??

And indeed what would it mean for Allen?

I’m still so confused by all of this and at this point i feel like we’re really missing too big of pieces to look at the full picture yet… it’s complicateeeeed.

When we think we understand a bit of DGM we get proven wrong big time HUH.