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evb0 · 9 months ago

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procrastinating so u guys get my hatchetverse hcs!!! (these are going to be a lot of shit i picked up from random posts that i dont remeber the ops of so sorry if u made one of these hcs and i dont credit you i love you sorry) ethan green

probably like 23? 25?

hes actually bi he told me himself

afab he/they boyflux sue me

lex is his first and only gf. he's probably had like one bf before but he loves lex sm more (simp) (malewife to her girlboss basically)

orphan sorry i dont make the rules

his dad left like immedately and his mom passed of old age when he was like 17 idk

hannah is basically his little sister. he'd die 4 her actually.

ted spankoffski

like late 20s early 30s at the most ithink

so painfully thirsty for anyone he has to be pan

amab he/him but doesnt really give a fuck

has never had a partner thats so sad. he makes up for this by constantly acting like everybody wants him. they dont. (exepct for me i love him)

doesnt really have a CRUSH on anyone speific but mark chastity is his fav to tease (sorry im a baby for holy bastard)

him and petes parents love them but theyre kinda like.. oblivious and absent. like theyre always on trips and leaving pete to live w ted

max jagerman

im not gonna list all of the teens' age theyre all 16-18

im assimilating with this one he/she pronouns amab

hes omni he told me himself pref 2 women

everybody wants him he only wants the nerd (hes just like me fr)

he isnt dead shut up shut up sHUT UP HES FINE OKAY

his dad is not good his mom died in childbirth

stephanie lauter

genderqueer. they/she/he in order of pref. also uses xe/xir idc sue me

pan thats cannon she told me xirself

does tiktok dances but really badly on purpose

the biggest simp on earth to her one guy and nobody ese

will fluster the living hell out of pete in public for fun

hates being the mayors daughter, feels alienated bcs of it

pete spankoffski

he/they afab i dont make the rules

bi if you argue youre homophobic (/J)

actually loves his big bro but acts like he doesnt bcsaude is ted hears him looking up ted he'll never hear the end of it

nickname seymour from ruth (bcause lsoh)

ex-brony

richie whateverhislastnameis

afab he/xe/nya/zap he would have so many cool neos. one of those people whos neo list is longer than the bill of rights

gay mlm yes

undertale enjoyer

nge enjoyer

discord mod in an anime server

owns several body pillows

xem and ruth have been friends since pre-k so they know eachother like the back of their hand

ruth whateverherlastnameis

afab she/they

omni large large large pref to girls. likes a few boys sorta

biggest theatre kid ever but sucks at acting and singing (the curse)

got ensemble ONCE and cried at the cast list

fav show is heathers

heather m kin i dont make the rules

grace chastity

afab she/her

liked a girl once and cried for a week str8 abt going 2 hell

i dont have alot of hcs for her but i think she would like fire a large amount

not even arson wise but like

a firebug

tinky

i already made my hcs for all the LiBs' true forms so go find those if you want

all the libs dont give a fuc about pronouns call them whatever

i do he/him tho

tinky is really just a 13 yr old girl freaking out abt one specific guy (ted) and making fucked up fanfics with him (time bastard nmt)

the "youngest" of the siblings

boy jerry

i beleive that every character jon plays is related. boy jerry is pauls fucked up brother. which means hes also richies uncle

#npmd #nerdy prudes must die #ethan green #ted spankoffski #max jagerman #stephanie lauter #peter spankoffski #richie lipschitz #ruth fleming #grace chastity #tinky #boy jerry

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vergess · 1 year ago

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So there's this poll circulating. A poll for the "most homophobic ship."

And the OP of this poll included Brokeback Mountain, so obviously as aqueer who lived through that 3 year cultural hellscape, I obviously vited for it.

Then I get to the comment below the poll

whoever voted for brokeback mountain I’m gonna hunt u down

What follows is my response, written as its own post becausee OP doesn't seem like the kind of fucker to actually listen to anyone else about this subject, and I'm tired of harassment from young queers who don't know shit from within their own goddamn lifetimes.

Yeah, so, it's me. Come at me! Hunt me down, mate! You won't be the first and that's literally why I voted for it.

They didn't ask which media property was the most homophobic, they asked which ship. Most of these fuckers aren't even in the source media; they're solely ships created by and for queer fans.

Shockingly, when a bunch of queers get together to talk about queering their favourite media, homophobia is a secondary emergent property, not a main goal.

I know! Stunning!

Meanwhile, and if you were not an out and proud queer when Brokeback Mountain arrived on the scene in 2005, you may have missed it, so trust me on this.

Brokeback Mountain was well loved by queer people. We adored it. It was intimate, and heart wrenching, and beautiful.

It was also hypnotic fucking candy to bigots.

This movie highlighted an "acceptable" kind of queer in a way that appealed greatly to the most vicious bastards you've ever met. The kind of queer willing to fucking die as punishment for the sin of being gay. Who die prettily, for the enjoyment of the COGAP audience.

That movie inspired hate crimes the likes of which your Fandom-centric ass cannot conceive of.

Whether it was open homophobia coming to beat the shit out of you so you'd die good and proper like those twinks, or the "love the sinner hate the sin" types who stood around saying if you'd just accept your beatings maybe you'd get better?

I have never experienced homophobia on that level from the other ships. And it was EVERYWHERE.

You can avoid talking about BBC Sherlock by just fucking going to work where people who don't watch it are.

You could not escape the overwhelming crush of straight people abhorred by your refusal to die prettily for their pleasure. It was on news. It was on every TV show. It was at work, at school, at the grocery store. You would hear about it on the radio as you walked to the fucking gas pump.

And again and again, it was all homophobes bemoaning what a beautiful tragedy it was and how this is proof that anyone who chooses to be gay is destined to die horribly and go to Christian Hell forever.

THAT is what the Brokeback Mountain ship represents to me.

Now, that's not the fault of the movie, nor the story before it, nor the characters, the actors, the writing, or any of that.

But the amount of homophobic violence that ship inspired is hard for me to wrap my head around and I was THERE.

So yeah, fuckers, I voted for the one that I have physical scars from.

Hunt me down if you like! Your ass will simply be the latest in a long, long line.

#Automatic OP tag #Brokeback Mountain #Homophobic Ship Poll

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maddsmallow · 1 year ago

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hi im gonna complain about people seeing hank and connor as father and son under the break so if you see them like that maybe dont read. like you do you but if this is gonna upset you then. dont fuckin read it lmao

if tumblr puts this in the fucking tags even tho i didnt tag it 1) im sorry, and 2) im gonna be fucking pissed im just trying to vent on my own got dang blog

cropped out the person who made these tags because i dont even know them and also im not a fucking asshole thats gonna put someone on blast like that but. this is the EXACT problem i have with hank and connor as father/son. i dont even mind connor seeing hank as a mentor or something like that (even tho i personally disagree with using the term "father figure"), but it's the "connor is like a new chance for hank to be a dad" that fucking gets me. do you not see all the different CANON reasons why that works completely against hank's character, and takes away connor's say in the whole situation?? hank IS a dad. he's a dad to a dead boy. basically his whole fuckin personality is him mourning over the loss of cole because he loves him SO much. you think he's gonna cling to the first mentee he's had since cole's death and immediately have him replace his dead fucking child? that's like, making hank give into some kind of fucked up delusion. that's mentol illness luv. imagine misunderstanding a character THAT badly.

and that isnt even getting into the whole "you're taking away all of connor's agency as a fully grown adult man" thing. he's not a child. he's an android that was activated only a few months ago, sure, but he was literally created to be like 27-33 or something. he deals with guns. he looks at pole dancers at the eden club. he works with murder scenes. you literally ARE taking away all of his agency as an adult man by seeing him as some little puppyboy that needs a dad to take care of him.

i mean of course you can take these characters and do whatever you want with them outside of canon, they're basically just barbie dolls lmao. but to claim that it's CANON that hank would think of connor as his own literal son, that he thinks that before the game's even over?? absolutely fucking not. those jokes of hank being like "who's my son?" and connor answering "me:)" and hank's relationship bar goes up, it's cute i guess but if that happened in the game? if that was a real choice in the game? hank would've shot connor without a second fucking thought. hell no hank would've thought connor was anything CLOSE to what cole was to him. hank straight up would've murdered the real connor and not even been upset about it when sixty told him so. david cage can eat my entire ass for agreeing that they're father and son, he just said that because he's a homophobic piece of shit, and that's literally the ONLY thing ever to point at them having that sort of relationship.

and i'm not gonna sit here and be like "but anyways here's all the reasons hank and connor are TOTALLY in love" because i dont actually think that's canon either. i'm just playing with them like barbie dolls lmao. my problem is people taking subtext that doesnt fucking exist of them being "like father and son" and claiming it's the be all end all of their whole relationship. their view of them as father and son is the ONLY way to see them. which is just not fucking true. there's NOTHING in canon to support them as being anything but close friends or enemies. that's it. and then they come onto these posts about hankcon, which obviously have NOTHING to do with them since they dont ship it, and tell the OP who ships them "fuck you." like?? you could have just scrolled. you could have just kept fucking scrolling. you fool. you moron. what happened to ship and let ship. just fucking move on, jesus christ. stop taking the time and effort out of your day to go out of your way to 1) make yourself upset by seeing this content and not just blacklisting it and blocking the posters, and 2) making someone else upset that you took the time to be a shithead on something that obviously wasn't even meant for you but made THEM happy. just stop !!! log off!! touch grass!! and this goes for hankcon shippers who do the same!! what the fuck is wrong with you!! we're all just here to vibe and love on these dork ass characters!!!!! fuck !!!!!!!!!!!

also it's super cringe when bryan dechart is playing the game and you're all screaming "wow best father son duo everrrrr" in the chat as if that also doesnt make bryan uncomfortable because he's gotta be super fucking careful about how he fuckin speaks about his character to everyone and not piss off all the rabid father-sonners by insinuating they're only friends. just. shut the fuck up. hankcon shippers who try to shove it in other people's faces also need to shut the fuck up. jesus fucking christ

IN OTHER WORDS. old man yells at cloud is basically me rn

^actual pic of me

anyways here's a cookie 🍪

#the blogger says words

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nancylou444 · 1 year ago

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June 28, 2014

OP's complete rant:

So I just had a heated “discussion” with three other destihellers and Jesus Christ they made me want to slam my head against a desk! Not only did one constantly say dean is “obviously” bi and that his “bisexuality” should be written into the show, they also started to use their OH SO FAMOUSSSS LINE “You know you’re being kinda homophobic right now” *massive eye roll* -.- and to top it off, another one said jensen and jared ship destihell! Like seriously?! You had to have a shit load of fucking courage to even utter those words. It KILLS me to see how flucking ignorant destiel shippers actually are. They think just because their ship is the most popular in the fandom that that 10-20% of us non-shippers of destiew DONT EXIST. And when a non-shipper does have an different opinion than them all hell breaks loose. Like give me a fucking break.

My link goes to this post that I was able to reblog.

Oh yes, the great Destiel Con that failed big time. 🤣🤣

#ten years of #nancy's wincest world #nancy444 #nancylou444 #destiehellers #it will forever suck to be them #destiehellcon #june 2014

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staenless · 5 months ago

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Scrolling through a radfem blog (I like to do this with lots of bizaar radical views because some of the posts make me laugh but also I feel like if I learn more about what they're discussing and their views of the world I'm less likely to accidentally agree with their philosophies because they worded it just right and left out the worst bits. If that makes sense) and one post was about how lesbians (radfem ones specifically) only trust celibate hetero women and female only bisexuals because they aren't caving in and having a relationship with men in order to get a leg up over women who aren't in m/f relationships (not m/f presenting relationships mind you because being trans is like a mental illness but it's also because the trans person is confused because of gender power dynamics? I think? Idk it's all bullshit).

And it's like, first of all I know for a fact the person making that post is from a first world country because women who actually genuinly NEED a male relationship to FUNCTION (ie open a bank account, get a job etc etc) do not hate other women for being in relationships with men. Idk if it's different in other countries but my gran couldn't open a bank account, make large purchases, get a job, get an education with the primary man in her life signing off on it, and so to her and many women in her generation getting married was, aside from other things, often a means to an end. If you actually NEED men to be able to function in society then other women are not going to HATE and LOATH you for getting with a man, because they will be doing the same thing. You don't have another choice. Luckily the OP doesn't live like that so instead they can sound off about how people in m/f relationships have this super great privilege (it's called homophobia BTW, if you marry someone and you're in a f/f or m/m relationships and people treat you like shit it's because they're homophobic).

And you know instead of sounding off at bi/straight/pan/etc women on Tumblr.com you could look at countries were women, like, actually do not have human rights and go "hmmmm how can I help these women?" and then do something? Anything? Like spread awareness about issues in other countries, organise fundraisers for women shelters, sanitary pads and contraceptive outreach in these countries. Maybe you could actually, idk, pause hating men so SO much that you actually try to care about women? Instead of blaming them for betraying you? Like actually I think radfems hate men more than they care about other women. And also that blog was transphobic so like, go to hell for that too.

Anyway this is a super round about way to tell you a lot of women in third world xou tries do not have access to sanitary towels, and you should look into programs that provide reusable pads/mental cups and try donating. I know this has been spoken about in conjunction with Palestine but it's also a reality in many other countries that aren't in an active conflict so if you're feeling generous or want to organise a workplace/friend group donation party consider a cause that helps women get access to these resources and keeps them in school, at work and able to live with dignity. Also fuck terfs and fuck radfems.

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alanvegacuntwars · 3 years ago

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it is times like these where i remember how much i luv system of a down

#op #i am about to get very therapy on you people in the tags so if you dont want 2 see my emotions i need you to leave #anyway. i think i got attached to system of a down when i was 12 because i liked their music and then i learned more about them and exploded #not in a bad way i was just like oh god oh fuck the classic immigrant parents special! did not help that i was also having an identity crisi #s #why the hell do i keep running out of space right as i finish my sentences. tumblr is homophobic #ADDITIONALLY DOES NOT HELP THAT I WANT 2 DRESS LIKE ONE OF THEM #sometimes the world is cruel and sometimes it is unhappy but then i put on a big t shirt and it gets better #me wearing a huge t shirt like hmm i will get a good grade in daron malakian something every normal human wants to achieve #or however that post goes idk #anyway i am listening 2 shes like heroin on repeat idk this is my comfort song now. it has been for a while not bc it's deep or anything #i just think it's silly. funny even #also today has been. kinda rough so i enjoy having time 2 myself to be funny on the internet #ok that concludes today's therapy session. in case you could not tell my therapist had to reschedule my actual appointment

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delusion-of-negation · 3 years ago

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lmao over that person getting supportive anon messages like "yes it was clearly only meant as a dig at straight women" and ignoring all of the aphobia in the notes and shit. almost everyone reads it as I did, and I only made three jokes on it, 1) I repeated someone else's comment, 2) an aphobe showed up and someone was shocked so I made the "you came to the circus and saw a clown" joke, and 3) the "maybe they just have a problem with attraction to men :/" comment. and as soon as op said it was just a goof, I took their word for it. so many are reading your post like that, I'm the one who went oh okay cool it's not meant like that. but you're gonna block me because I explained why I took it that way, and then go back to your anons who are bitching at me by apparently also misinterpreting the post because literally everybody is reading that shit. honestly I'm just tired and didn't give them any benefit of the doubt when I saw all the wild shit in the notes and made some- one could argue- slightly mean jokes, and I said that, but they're acting like I was absurd for seeing it that way. I mean, that said, I'm grateful for the block since that reduced the strangers spamming me tbh.

#also not immediately assuming rainbow flag means gay man is now bad I guess because apparently I should've like bruh what #like you know every other lgbtq person uses that flag too I just didn't jump to conclusions and focused on the content of the post #also never called them homophobic or gender essentialist or any of that bullshit #you really think I know all those big words #anyway I'm done defending myself because I misinterpreted a very easily misinterpreted post on tumblr dot hell stfu #like I'm really not invested enough to claim shit about op idgaf all that's bugging me is this assertion that I should've known #or that I acted aggressive when all I did was make a few off colour jokes about a post that really looked hella off colour itself #op took issue with me but not the aphobia and that's sussy wussy I guess maybe but I really don't care my issue is the above #like I stopped attributing malice and asked for the same consideration to work shit out and people act like I kept attacking #when I never even attacked to begin with #like have you seen me attacking that shit has you scrolling for three hours I ramble #also they're vagueing about me with yes men in the replies who are very not self aware and that's also rather funny #but anyway that's why I'm also allowed to vague because when in rome and all

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flip-flop-lover-will-byers · 2 years ago

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Sorry I'm jumping on your post, op. I was having similar thoughts, from a different direction- Karen and Joyce

I was thinking about how differently they're perceived (and consequently how Mike/Will are perceived), and how much of their actual differences are just circumstantial. Fandom has a tendency to present the Wheeler family as a whole in the worst light, both because we're primed to do so with Nancy's "screw that" speech (nevermind that she was specifically talking about her parents' relationship being loveless....not the entire freaking family wtf), and because... Apparently Mike NEEDS to have ten different traumas to be sympathetic enough.

But honestly? Mike through the show is almost more spontaneously open to Karen (emotionally) than Will is to Joyce. His first reaction upon finding El is telling his mother. He doesn't coz El literally does not let him.

Not to say that Will and Joyce don't have a great relationship- they do. But Joyce isn't some perfect mother (she wouldn't be such a good character if she was) and Karen isn't a bad mother.

In the same season we have Joyce explicitly telling Jonathan that she feels guilty about not being around more because she's always working, and that she's gonna try to do better.

Will only opens up to Joyce in s2 when he's pretty much forced to. He opens up to Jonathan and Mike before that- in fact, the person Will is most open with, the person he depends on the most, is Jonathan consistently. Jonathan raised Will, and their behaviour shows that.

Mike seeks his mother for comfort at his lowest points. Without El telling Mike that it would put Karen in danger, he would have most definitely told her about El, thus pulling her into the plot in some capacity in S1.

If it were Mike who had been taken in S1, then you can bet he would have tried to contact Karen exactly how Will tried to contact Joyce. Duh. And of course, Karen would have moved heaven and earth to find him, exactly how Joyce did for Will. She would have yelled at Hopper, she would have given that classic "go to hell" to Brenner.

As mothers, Karen and Joyce are hella similar, and their differences are LARGELY due to the circumstances of the show- putting distance between Karen and her kids and bringing Joyce closer to hers. The other large difference between them is socio-economic- Karen is a stay-at-home mom, she has the time and resources to be present in her kids' daily life, and she is! Joyce doesn't, and it leads to Jonathan and Will forming an abnormally close unit.

Even freaking Ted, he's a conservative government bootlicker, but he's NOT abusive. He's made some ambiguous yet pointed statements, but we've seen Lonnie straight up try to profit off his child's death. Ted cares about his children- we've seen him taking care of Holly while every single other Wheeler was off doing shit. He complains, "our children don't live here anymore". He's too apathetic to reach out, he's entirely unrelatable to the rest of his family, he's 10x times more conservative- but holy shit, it takes a special kind of privileged audacity to conflate this with actual abuse. Ted is like, half the fathers of this world.

(This is pointed at the people who say that Mike's home life was as bad as Max/Will re: Lonnie)

(Also- it's funny that people will argue that Mike and Max are the same, but then turn around at the Mike-Ted parallels and say "yea! That's just there for laughs. That's just there to show how bad mvn is!")

But yea!! All this to say- the Wheelers are the most mid of Upper Middle class families. Their collective theme is conformity- which is by definition bound by the majority. They exist in the middle ground, unlike the Byers and the Mayfields.

I think, in trying to make Mike more uwu or tragic or sympathetic, we lose the core of his canon arc. He's never been abused, but he's seen abuse. He's never been the target of homophobic bullying, but his best friend has. Simply witnessing is enough, though. He witnesses, and he knows that he's been kept safe from it all by the Wheeler Normal-ness, and he leans into that safety.

Which is completely fine. It IS a choice you can sympathise with without changing his whole character. Sometimes conformity is the better choice, and he's the only party member who's actually in a position to MAKE that choice. Will never had a choice. Lucas didn't. Dustin didn't. El didn't. Max didn't. Only Mike does.

I don't think people appreciate the potential in that? People take it as an offense to suggest that Mike is somehow "less freaky/outcast" than his friends, but in truth, he's just the only one who can actually go under the radar.

(I like him going under the radar btw. Relatable invisible gay rep. Hidden in plain sight gay rep. Always-assumed-to-be-straight gay rep)

He tries, and it makes him so fundamentally unhappy. When he chooses to stop trying- it's not because he never had the choice, it's because he concluded that not conforming is just more rewarding.

But yanno. For any of that to matter, they actually need to....let him be him.

The party doesn't exist to give Mike depth.

Max isn't Mike.

No matter how much you say "same character different font," it won't make it true. Mike will never have Max's plot line. If the writers wanted to give Mike Max's arc, they would have written him differently--like Max.

It's mind boggling that Max can have a heart wrenching arc focused on her mental health, complex relationship with her abusive brother, and her intense guilt, then people go: "Wow, that's great, but doesn't that remind you of Mike?!? Vecna's after Mike!!" *clapping seal noises*

Let's strip away some important social differences in Max and Mike's backgrounds.

Class (low income vs. upper-middle class income)

Family life (verbally + physically abusive vs. emotionally distant household)

California vs. small town Indiana cultural differences (more liberal vs. more conservative)

Socialization (Mike is the leader of a large friend group vs. Max spending majority of her time with Lucas then El)

So: if we remove most of their environment, then Mike and Max are more similar (snarky, independent, and prickly). I guess we're going to ignore their other conflicting traits, for example: Max's skepticism vs. Mike's optimistic lean, Max's introversion vs. Mike's extroversion, self-confidence (S2-S3 Max has greater self-confidence than Mike, S4 both are low), communication styles (Max: straightforward, Mike: abstract).

Has anyone here heard of the "nature vs. nurture" debate on what determines a person's characteristics? Yes, no, maybe so? To cut to the chase, the answer is both. People are beholden to their personality, as well as their environment (their social lives). A huge part of being a human are your relationships to others (family, friends, pets, coworkers, enemies, places, role models etc). Writers make characters three-dimensional by fleshing out these connections and having them impact the narrative.

If you have to ignore how the writers wrote two extremely different backgrounds to justify your interpretation, you're wrong. If you're only favoring S4, because you think--besides Max--Mike had the hardest time in high school, you're also wrong. Newsflash! High school was shitty for everyone.

In their introduction to The Piggyback script, the Duffers wrote:

Like a lot of people, high school was a very challenging time for us — you’re facing the pressure of figuring out your future at the same time you are trying to fit in, or even just trying to understand who you are. It’s a lot to take on at that age and it can leave you feeling hopeless, like there’s no end to the uncertainty in sight. This emotional truth was at the center of Vecna. In many ways a physical representation of anxiety and depression, he is an evil force that leeches on youth’s frailty. The devil on your shoulder, the dark whisper in your ear.

The S4's main plotline centered on Max to discuss the above (since she was constructed to be the most vulnerable character), but please remember: everyone in the party was struggling.

During counseling, Ms. Kelly pointed out Max had a C in English and a C-minus in Spanish. You know who else had bad grades? Dustin (D-minus in Latin), Mike (C in Spanish), and El (failing Math).

Ms. Kelly also questioned Max's poor sleeping habits, headaches, and nightmares. No one else in the party experienced these symptoms, because Vecna didn't target them. End of story.

Ms. Kelley pointed out that Max wasn't being truthful. You know who else wasn't being truthful? Mike, Will, El, and Lucas (to an extent).

Does that mean that everyone is going to have Max's plot line in S5? No, because that is an erroneous conclusion. Each character has their own trajectory. The beauty of the party is: their different skills and backgrounds complement one another, allowing them to successfully collaborate and--ultimately--achieve victory.

Please stop cherry-picking pieces of Max's arc in order to satisfy your urge to cobble together a more palatable Mike. It's time to interrogate why you insist Mike is your favorite, when you actually want him to become Max (As El said, "Why do you lie?").

If you come away from this thinking I hate Mike, the call is coming from inside the house.

#i posted accidentally holy shit #i was editing my DRAFT and it posted

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noramachwitz · 7 years ago

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i just read ....... a post about robert’s homophobia that just made me wanna die lmao

#apparently robert is just hmophobic #bc he uses being gay as a power play #and bc he has no problem using slurs #so i'm like .......#are we gonna ignore the canon fact that robert has INTERNALISED homophobia #bc his dad beat him up when he was FIFTEEN for kissing a boy???#and are we also ignoring the fact that robert experiences pretty intense same gender attraction #ya know since he's bisexual???#so yes he's got issues #BUT HE'S NOT HOMOPHOBIC FOR THE HELL OF IT #OR BC IT'S FUN #BUT BC HE'S STILL NOT REALLY COME TO TERMS WITH WHAT JACK DID TO HIM #okay i think i feel better now #lmao god that bugged me #ed rel #emmerdale #homophobia //#the antis truly talk about robert as if he's straight it's scary #anyway i love bisexual mess robert sugden #and of course in the same post op was truly sympathetic about where aaron's biphobia stems from #but okay

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rey-kryze · 2 years ago

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The Grace Van Dien situation goes to show how fandom is an echo chamber where anyone will believe anything without a shred of evidence simply because the subject matter is armed to the teeth with buzzwords.

Initially, a poster on twitter was calling her a regular white girl and therefor she didn’t have to care about her which, whatever, you’re right, you don’t have to care about anyone - but when people began defending Grace from the subsequent accusations (like she’s misgendered people in her discord - all the screenshots were of other people and not one of her) that she’s been racist or homophobic (proven to be doctored images of her old tumblr) and that her character was underage so anyone who likes the hellcheer ship is a predator, which was also disproven repeatedly and by Grace herself first and foremost - the accusations of racism started to flood in, long before Grace even posted passively about their initial comment (she simply said she wasn’t regular and that Woki, her cat, said so) and that derailed into a conversation about Grace allegedly sending “racists” after OP because she is a black woman.

First, people were already angry at her for what she said about Grace long before Grace caught wind of it, Grace never named names, didn’t post screenshots or engage with it directly. All she did was disagree with someone’s opinion of her, on an entirely different social media platform.

Y’all made it about race and slung accusations around without a single shred of evidence. There has been zero proof of threats nor harassment rooted in bigotry, or that Grace had anything to do with it.

Nevermind the white girl capitalizing off of it as some kind of white savior who went after Grace specifically for clout. Because now that y’all are getting dragged to hell and back, being called out for lack of evidence to substantiate hateful claims, it’s suddenly “let’s just move on” or “you’re all doing too much” if you genuinely believed that someone launched a racially motivated hate campaign … and you just give up? It was never about that. You knew that no one would want to combat the argument because crying wolf garners no sympathy.

All she’s done is be herself and have fun with fandom, and in the same fashion as so much bullshit before, all the virulent misogyny for a potential female love interest is deflected onto the actress who plays her. Same happened in the Loki fandom with Sophia. In Star Wars with KMT. Star Trek with Zoe. Supernatural with Every Single Woman. Call it wherever you want but the root cause is the same.

And just know, if yall actually showed us people being racist? Not only would they be held accountable but we’d rake them over coals. And if yall actually got hate, you’d have 10,000 screenshots and be QTing them all over the place since y’all are clearly capable of doing so.

#hellcheer #edissy #GVD

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thatgirlwithasquid · 2 years ago

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Harringrove Week - Blind Date

(This fic is also posted on my AO3 account: here)

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“Steve, please-”

“Not a chance. I am not letting you guys pimp me out just because you want to distract your brother.”

“But Steeeve,” Dustin jumps in, quickly coming to Max’s aid as the other kids continue to give him their best attempts at sad puppy eyes. “This is important.”

“You’re teaching Max to play Dungeons and Dumbasses-”

“Dragons,” they groan in sync.

“Whatever, shitheads,” he dismisses, trying to move round the group from where they’re blocking his way back into his own damn car. “I said I’d pick you guys up after school to go hang out in mini-Nancy-” Mike pulls an affronted face “-’s basement and play your loser game, but I’m not giving up my whole evening with Random Girl’s brother just because she wants to get out of having him keep an eye on her.”

“I’m old enough to look after myself!”

“Ha! Yeah, right,” he laughs. “You’re thirteen. Besides, with all the crazy demo-whatever shit that keeps going down, I don’t think I’m old enough to be going around without supervision. Hell, is anyone?”

The kids groan again, slumping dramatically into each other.

“But even El is coming,” Will chimes in, sounding heartbreakingly sad at the turn of events and- DAMNIT, STEVE, stay strong!

“We never all hang out as a group,” Mike agrees.

Lucas nods, before darting a look at Dustin who turns to Steve and- Shit, this is a coordinated effort to wear Steve down, isn't it? To make him pity the little shits and cave like some big softie. He’ll have to remind them that he took a bat to a swarm of demodogs - granted, he had thought it was the one but he’d still done it. Do they think they can break him so easily?

“Steve, please, man. We never all hang out. We’ll owe you big time - we’re only asking you because you’re the coolest person we know.”

…Well, they can.

“Fucking fine,” he growls out, most of his aggression directed at his own weak resolve and, from the elated look the little shits share, they very well know that. “Get in then - except you-” he waves a finger at Max. “Go get your brother to give you a lift. Where am I even meeting him?”

“Benny’s old place. It’s been gutted and redone.”

“Didn’t that guy kill himself? A little morbid don’t you think?”

“Suck it up, Steve,” Max calls over her shoulder as she whirls around to skate away.

Steve sighs, gesturing for the rest of the kids to hurry up in their scampering into Steve’s car. The doors shut with varying thunks before Steve swings into the driver’s seat and turns the key in the ignition.

Steve drops the nuisances off and loiters in the Wheelers’ basement, half-praying that Max will show up and announce that the plan is off, that her brother isn’t even interested. It’s worrying him a little, to be honest - going on a date with a guy is risky shit, like, what if someone sees? Sure, Steve’s cool with it - he realised pretty recently that, yeah, definitely likes guys too - but not everyone is, and even then, even Steve had said some homophobic shit in the past.

He cringes at the thought.

And then there’s the fact that it’s a blind date. He has no idea who this guy is, or if the guy even knows he’s meeting Steve. Is it better or worse if they’re both in the dark? He can’t decide, shrugs it off, and goes back to his worrying.

Sure, they’re probably not gonna be obvious about the fact that this is a date, as has been established-

“Yes, Steve,” Max had said, rolling her eyes. “I mean a date as in a romantic date. With my brother.”

-but that doesn't mean no one around them will clock on. Steve is trying to calm himself, telling himself that it’ll just look like two dudes hanging out, being bros, totally platonically platonic. But then what if they do manage it but they do hit it off? Steve is an affectionate guy - that would suck! Not being able to reach over and touch and openly flirt is the worst thing Steve can imagine in that scenario.

Damn, being into guys is hard.

“For the kids,” he mutters to himself in an attempt to psych himself up, pacing a small circle.

“Mhmm, for the kids, Steve,” Dustin echoes absently, not even looking up from where he’s helping Mike set up for their campaign.

“You’re gonna do great man,” Lucas nods from his lounged position on the couch.

He shoots them a bitter smile and keeps pacing until the door is thrown open, footsteps racing down it until Max is revealed.

“Okay, all set,” she grins.

Steve dies inside just a little.

“Get moving!” she scolds, moving to drag Steve towards the stairs. “He’s on his way there now so you gotta go or you’ll be late!”

“Fuckkk,” he groans, letting himself be led with no small amount of reluctance. Maybe he can run to Nancy and she can hide him in her closet? He can be quiet in there, stealthy as a ninja.

“He’ll meet you at the far left of the counter,” Max says in lieu of goodbye as she shuts the basement door in his face.

Shit.

He pulls up outside what a neon sign proclaims to be “Frankie’s Diner”. It’s still Benny’s in Steve's head, though. He didn’t know the guy and had only come here once or twice before, but it’s hard to shake the feeling of how this place should be something else.

Other than that the place seems nice enough. New windows have been put in the front, bigger so that Steve can see the new booths inside. The white leather upholstery contrasts nicely against the walls painted, he doesn’t really know, some shade of light blue. It looks nice. Steve, though still unbearably anxious and feeling more than a little flighty, is admittedly a little excited to go inside.

It’s just because he hasn’t eaten out in a while. He hasn’t had the time, motivation or excuse.

A bell trills happily above the door as he pushes it open. A few of the diner’s inhabitants glance up as he enters, but most are happily chatting with their company or tucking into food that actually smells great - maybe that’s how the place is attracting a decent amount of clientele despite its gruesome backstory.

Or maybe, he thinks cynically, the gruesome history is the appeal - come see the diner where a guy killed himself! Tragedy can be sensationalised, after all.

He shudders, but presses on, scanning the faces at the counter, looking for the last at the left and-

Oh fuck no. No. No way. There must be some mistake. Somehow Max’s brother isn’t here yet, that’s the only explanation for why Hargrove is leaning against the far edge of the counter, chatting to the waitress behind it with his best Charming Smile.

There’s no way Steve has agreed to go on a date with Billy Hargrove.

But then Hargrove cuts his conversation with the waitress off and turns to glance at the door and when his eyes land on Steve he grins, and the look is utterly feral.

Hesitantly, Steve makes his way over to the counter beside Hargrove.

“No fucking way Max convinced King Steve to… hang out with me,” Billy smirks, eyes sparkling with a dangerous sort of mischief.

Fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck-

“You’re Max’s brother?” he manages, because, quite frankly, that’s about all he’s capable of managing. On top of his horror and bafflement, he’s fucking drowning in how fuckin good Hargrove has cleaned himself up. The guy’s wearing a red shirt, half unbuttoned as standard, and the tightest jeans Steve’s ever fucking seen - damn, the guy’s ass… - with his jacket tossed over his shoulder from whenever he took it off. But that’s not all - that wouldn’t be all because life is out to make Steve suffer. Hargrove has clearly put more effort than usual into his hair and, yep, that’s eyeliner he’s wearing. It’s subtle, just a dark line framing his eyes in a way that makes them fucking sparkle.

Goddamnit, Max. Steve’s only a man, but making him this attracted to Billy? This is going to be the death of him.

“Through marriage only,” the guy huffs. “The little brat’s a major pain in my ass.”

“Clearly a lot of love there,” Steve is saying, before he can get over his shock enough to have any sort of a filter. “I can see why she was so desperate to get me to occupy your time so she didn't have to put up with you.”

“That the only reason you agreed, Harrington?” Billy says, continuing to smirk. Steve would’ve thought that would’ve offended the guy, but clearly he’s just having too much of a blast with who his current company is to care about his rudeness.

“Obviously,” he scoffs, willing his eyes to stay on Hargrove’s face and not to glance down.

Hargrove hums in response and then leans in, closer to Steve than he probably should since they’re in public. It’s in that moment, though, that Steve learns that Billy smells like cologne, cigarette smoke and something else unnamable.

“I guess I’ll just have to do a better job at convincing you it’s worth it for… other reasons…”

Then he’s leaning away and the waitress is back and Steve is just left standing there, gaping dumbly.

Holy shit.

That was hot.

Should that have been hot?

Oh, fuck. He’s so screwed.

It turns out that Billy’s chatting with the waitress had been him ordering a chocolate milkshake. She hands it over to the guy with a flirtatious smile that leaves Billy grinning in return. Steve doesn’t know what to make of that. He hopes, suddenly, this whole thing isn’t some kind of set up.

“And anything for you?” the waitress turns to ask him, eyes hesitant to leave Billy for a second.

“Uh, nothing for now. I’ll order when we get food. We - uh - gonna go sit, or what?”

Billy shoots him a grin.

“Sure thing.”

Sure thing? Why couldn’t things be this easy with Hargrove at school? It’d make Steve’s life so much easier.

Hargrove was fucking smooth. It just kept making everything worse. Steve was trying very hard not to obsess over how attractive the guy was being, because he might have agreed to the date but the guy was still Billy Hargrove, and he kept being even hotter with every minute.

“Wanna share, Pretty Boy?” he’d asked after Steve complained about being thirsty during the wait for their food and his drink to arrive.

It had made him flush red, but he couldn’t exactly back down from the offer or it’d be weird surely. So he’d taken a sip from the second straw the guy had apparently grabbed, trying to ignore the way he could feel Hargrove’s eyes on him the whole time.

“Thirsty there, Stevie?” the guy had mocked, leaning forward on his elbows onto the table. “You really-” his eyes flicked to Steve’s lips for a moment “-went for it.”

Steve cleared his throat, glancing away momentarily. When he looked back, Billy was reaching out for the straw Steve had used, then twirling it idly between his fingers. Hargrove’s eyes met Steve’s, blue and intense, ordering him to watch without words. Then, he ducked forward, never breaking eye contact, to suck from the straw Steve had just used.

Fuck-

When the guy pulled away, his tongue poked out to taste his lips, as if searching for a further taste. And, shit, that did things to Steve. If he hadn’t been sat down already, he’d have been on the floor. He was fucking shaking, and Billy made it worse by reaching out with his foot under the table to stroke Steve’s leg.

Luckily - or incredibly unluckily - it was at that moment the waitress reappeared with their food, breaking whatever was happening up.

And now they’re eating, chatting over their burgers that are as good as they smelled. It’s good. It’s really good. Billy’s still an asshole but he’s… funny. And he’s certainly got enough energy to leave Steve utterly enthralled as he bitches about anything and everything.

Steve’s having a lot of fun.

Steve’s having a lot of fun on a date with Billy Hargrove. It’s insane. He would almost be sure he’d imagined the fact that this was entirely not platonic if Billy didn’t keep blatantly flirting with him. But he did.

“Still can’t believe I’m taking out King Steve,” Billy grins this time, before it turns wicked. “Shall we see if I can do one better and take King Steve home with me? Y’know… I haven’t had a sleepover in so long-” he pointedly looks Steve up and down “and I’ve never had one with such… appealing company.”

Steve flushes. Again. He really can’t handle being flirted at, he’s just so used to doing all the flirting. It’s nice, and a little overwhelming.

“And they say chivalry is dead,” Steve smirks.

“Haven’t I taken you on a nice romantic outing, Harrington?” Billy asks, seductive smile still in place, quirking a brow.

“I don’t know if I’d say romantic,” he taunts, leaning forward, “since this little… hang out is going to be kept secret, and all your advances have been about getting in my pants.”

“You wanna see romantic, Pretty Boy?” Hargrove grins, slapping the money for their bill down on the table. “Then you’d better follow me.”

Steve doesn’t waste any time in following, sliding from his seat in the booth and following Billy out the door, hearing the bell jingle its farewell at them. He couldn’t care less, eyes roving over Billy’s back as he leads them around to the back of the building before he’s suddenly spinning to press Steve gently against the wall.

“You want romance?” Billy purrs, leaning in close, making Steve’s brain utterly shut down. The smell of cigarettes and cologne is back. “Want me to tell you how pretty you are, Stevie?” Billy ducks in and presses his lips to Steve’s cheek “How endless those brown eyes of yours are?” The other cheek “How I think about you all the time?” The corner of his mouth now, Steve’s breaths shallowly puffing against his lips where they hover less than an inch away “Well, I’m not much of a romantic, but I can make an exception just this once.”

And then he’s ducking in and pressing his lips to Steve’s so gentle and sweet. Chaste. He still tastes of chocolate milkshake.

When Billy pulls back he’s smirking again, eyes predatory.

“That romantic enough for you, pretty boy?” his voice rumbles.

Steve can barely string together enough words to even form a coherent thought, let alone a sentence, so he just nods.

Billy leans back in again, melting Steve’s brain entirely. He’s fairly sure he’s only upright because of the wall behind his back and Billy’s palm on his chest. Their lips brush together again and, embarrassingly, Steve whines.

And that must set Billy off because then he’s pressing harder, hungrier, more how Steve had expected him to be. The guy licks into his mouth and presses him into the wall with his weight and, fuck, Steve’s a gonner. He tries to kiss back but mostly just ends up panting into the space between them whenever Billy pulls back to breathe.

And then lips are on the skin of his neck, teeth dragging against the tendons and nipping beneath his jaw, and Steve’s knees pretty much buckle.

Fuck.

Yeah, he doesn’t think he’d mind keeping Billy occupied again. For Max and the Party, of course.

#harringroveweek #harringrove #steve harrington #billy hargrove #squid writes #squid draws #fanfiction #fanart

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