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Hi! Can you pls give your opinion on where mcdom stunt is successful or not? I have difficulties to see the bigger picture.
Here on tumblr I’m in a larrie bubble, on ig I see more gf shippers but the engagement is not high on their ua’s, max 150 likes per post
Do you think the majority of fans and gp buy their relationship? And do you think Louis/his team is happy how it’s all going on?
ok this actually turned out longer than I thought. The photos today pissed me off lol and I hate seeing yall sad. anon, welcome to the show
no matter what “gf” any of those boys have, a portion of fans ruuunnnnn to create ua’s and essentially kiss the stunt’s ass to look like a “good” fan. people are doing that even with Zara and she’s very problematic lol.
I really don’t think the majority of fans are buying this. the ones who do are very loud and are being awful, but whatever. I see a lot of solos actually being like “oh shit larries said this would happen….” and believing the stunt less too. but you know what makes this the most unbelievable bit of the stunt? Is that it’s her.
listen… blonde, leggy, pretty, sure. but Louis’ type? no. very different views on life, experiences, circles (how tf did they even meet lol? the twins I assume?), and priorities. the demographics don’t cross over enough for this to be successful. their interests, attitudes, body language, EVERYTHING like none of it fits right.
now, if i was going to give him a stunt, I’d find someone who’s not going to isolate and infuriate his fans based on their recent behaviours and beliefs, and maybe find someone who’s a little more in the same circle where they “met through friends”. perhaps even his sister set them up. and you know what else I’d do?
get someone with a demographic crossover who’s relatable to the fans. get someone who is “cool” and a bit punky and makes good music and could also benefit from stunting. get someone who’s just lowkey enough where they still have a solid fanbase, but not enough to make it unbelievable. get someone who has similar artist to fan relationships with their fandom. get someone with the same (at least very similar) opinions/views/attitudes that my client has, as to not make him look like an absolute arse. get someone who maybe has some kind of ties with niall’s gf to reenforce the legitimacy. get someone who hasn’t been cancelled multiple times. get someone who my client is at least somewhat comfy with and has a vested interest in my client’s career. get someone who’s learnt the fandom dynamics my client has, particularly the fact that half his fans believe he’s dating a man. get someone who understands how to navigate a fandom like this. get someone who looks true to themselves and cares about the people around them. get someone who is somewhat my client’s type. like even a little bit. just a smidgen. a tiny drop.
and then you know what I’d do?
I would monitor the fandom’s reaction. I would spend time understanding what the relationship means to the fans. I would make changes based on what I think will fit the narrative better. I would advise my client’s stunt to not stare smugly straight into the camera in a place where pap rules are very strict and there shouldn’t be pics of them anyway. I would hold back on the PDA because it’s obvious it’s pushing the fans away from believing it. I would revise the previous stunt strategies and learn from them and veer off from the same steps as last time as it’s clear it doesn’t work. I’d also have said stunt relationship quieter and less in your face and actually have my client chat to the fans and keep up a good relationship and provide them with some other content than just have his entire personality be his new gf. I would also advise him, and everyone who has access to his account, not to make vague and weird tweets that are going to do nothing but make the fandom fight more.
But that’s just me.
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The premium version of human is here to wreck house, mfs.
Chp.2
[TwstxObeyme!AFAB!reader]
Whoa.. 😳
Thanks for the feedback, likes and reblogs guys~ It really makes me happy that my hard work is appreciated😊
Guys, what gender should my story's Yuu be in? It's quite hard to refer to two different characters with both gender neutral pronouns 😅
READ FIRST; PROLOGUE:1
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Again; Pronouns used to refer to MC are blue, because MC will be mistaken for a guy a lot.
SYNOPSIS:
With the Opening Ceremony going off the rails for a second time, MC is more than eager to get back home and probably binge-watch their stress away with their emotionally-repressed boys.
Though with the current situation right now, they don't think that will be happening soon.. Oh well, at least they're not the only otherworldly outlier here... *Nightbringer flashbacks intensifies*
$o|0m°N?
On the other hand, Yuu makes a new friend.
Yuu doesn't know if this makes them a problematic person or not, but Yuu is happy that there's someone else in a similar predicament as them in this strange world, even if it meant that their new companion also had to be kidnapped by a problematic school/lowkey-highkey a cult to be here as well.
But of course, there's trouble in the horizon as the whole fiasco in the mirror ceremony caused the students of NRC to keep a close and careful gaze onto the MC. I'm talkin' from but not limited to; The Fish Mafia, Queen of hearts and Evil queen Incarnates, even down to your perfectly normal 500+ year old war-veteran that looks like a child.
Meanwhile, The Devildom, Human world, and The Celestial realm are feeling a sense of something foreboding in the air... It's probably nothing though.. right?......right?? The calm before the storm. Or the calm before anyone barges into MC's room.

Prologue: 2 Electric-boogaloo
Watching the mysterious and somewhat confused-looking student continuously dodge Riddle and Azul's spells with a calm expression, sharp gaze and a frightening precision, Lilia is waiting for the perfect time to jump in.
Preferably when the student ran in front of him so that he could tackle him to the ground.
Crowley isn't doing anything but screech. Again.
Haah....
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Azul's smile widens when this ever mysterious new student blocks Riddles' Signature spell by quickly spinning his fancy staff into a make-shift shield once again. what an interesting staff, transforming from a necklace into a cane that can be used for offense and defense..
Azul straight up grins he can see Schoenheit's smile and Kingscholar's shit-eating smirk from here, as well as hear Shroud's maniacal giggles when Riddle screeches at the student to just cooperate and that "NO WE ARE NOT A CULT!!!!" "That's what cults always say!"
Prompting a round of laughter from the useles– *ehem* new students in the hall. How annoying..
What an amusing lad.. Though, Azul wonders.. can all his other jewelry transform as well? Besides the earrings, choker, necklace and forehead ornament that he's wearing, the student also has a ring in his middle finger and in both of his ring fingers, a wide bracelet, and even some bangles in his ankles.
And if all of those jewels can transform into something?....Ohhh, then he really needs to get his hands on them asap.
Seeing Lilia gearing up to jump the student, Azul shifted a bit and tried to lead the student closer to Lilia.
Help idk how to describe shit💀
You click your tongue as you got surrounded by Mr. bird-bitch, that red-mf, Solomon-but-from-wish, Columbina's cousin, lion-dude, "I'm a bad-bitch with a sad past" guy, and a floating tablet.
You ended up getting bound by the bird-bitch's whip the moment you tried to leap off a window in your belphie-escaping-his-responsibilities style. Your pact mark of pride flickered, and Lucifer wonders what MC could be dreaming about for their pride to have taken a hit at this time of the night.
You turned your staff back into a necklace by then, so you couldn't really block the whip and that redhead's spell from hitting you.
You had socked Walmart-Solomon in the face though when he sneakily tried to take one of your bangles while you were being yanked back from the window. Satan stirred in his sleep, feeling but not registering the creeping irritation under your skin.
So now you're here, with a collar for your troubles and a whip locking your arms to your body.
You're just about to resentfully summon Lucifer or something when the redhead who collared you with this uncomfortable fugly-ass neckwear started lecturing you and shit about etiquette and how disrespectful you are for trying to leap out the window and how you should be honored to be there blahblahblah—
Hell no. You ain't letting this short-pimp talk to you like this. (You should really stop hanging around too much with Asmo. Or Levi when he's being a hater on the internet.)
Satan stirred once again, starting to rouse from his slumber as he felt your irritation start to turn into embers of anger.
Lucifer furrows his brows, feeling a rush of indignity that can only have come from you. But why? Weren't you in bed? He hasn't felt you leave through any of the detection barriers he'd set up around your room so you should still be inside, right?
"I think it's much more disrespectful to have your fuckin horses kidnap someone straight from their goddamn bed just to attend a little ceremony they've never even heard of."
You narrow your eyes as you see the bird-man and goons look taken aback in varying degrees of obviousness. (A figure near the mirror perked-up; 'Maybe this person is in a similar situation as them!')
Bruh, what the fuck did they expect??
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The Vice-prefects of all seven dorms have led the new students out of the Ceremony hall, leaving behind the five (sorry Mal. Also, Jamil's ass definitely dragged Kalim out with him.) dorm leaders with the headmaster to solve the issues of the sTiLl-uNdEr-tHe-efFecTs-oF-tHe-teLepoRtaTioN-sPelL new student who utterly refuses to cooperate with them.
Riddle is about to combust, Leona wants to go back to bed only to be dragged back by the headmaster—, Vil wants his beauty sleep but was dragged back by that petty bitch, Leona—, While Idia and Azul decided to stick around for their own personal reasons. ("He looks like an anime character—" "Brother, I don't think it's good to be taking pictures of someone without permission—" "AHH–! O-ORTHO?!")
While Yuu is.. hiding behind the mirror.
(The kinda-silver haired guy seems to be in his seventh ritual of making sure his face didn't get bruised from the solid right hook to the face he got.)
(Yuu would've felt bad for him if the guy didn't have such a shady smile on his face while he was massaging his punched jaw.)
Meanwhile...
"Oy human, it's me!"
Mammon knocked on MC's door, fully intent on bothering their sleep and cozying up on their bed again.
He waited for a few seconds, no answer.
He knocked again.
No answer.
... Look, it's not like The Great Mammon is worried or anything but this is strange..
The human always answers their door after a knock or two even if it's the middle of the night.
... Dammit.
Mammon is full of grumbles as he consciously sharpens his senses, tryna sense his the human.
They better not be ignoring him or he'll–
Wait.
What? W- wait a second..
• • • •
The quietness of the night in the House of Lamentation vanished as the sound of a door being busted down rang out.
It's other residents could barely even register the sound before a shout rang out. A shout that sent dread right into their cores.
"MC?!"
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'What the?! Why can't I summon them??'
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Thanks for reading this far, I hope you enjoyed this chapter😊
Btw, do y'all want Yuu to be a love interest?
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In the mood for...
Jan 22nd
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1. Hiiii!!!!!
This is for ITMF,
Like de aged tropes with little lan zhan or little Wei Ying being cuteeee with each other <3
Thanks a lot for all the hard work 💯
Hope you have a great new year ahead filled with love and happiness☺️☺️☺️ @ffaddictsrn
❤️ grow by cafecliche (T, 14k, WangXian, Age Regression/De-Aging, Character Study, Post-Canon)
no time for crying by Narci (T, 10k, WangXian, Wwx protection squad, Age Regression/De-Aging, Kid!WWX, kid!lsz, night hunt gone absolutely right, (lowkey golden core fix it), Fluff, Angst and Feels, Humor, Juniors)
i carry your heart with me by lulu_kitty (G, 12k, WangXian, Age Regression/De-Aging, Established Relationship, Post-Canon, Fluff and Angst, some knives but honestly this is mostly fluff, possessive littol a-zhan, wei ying may ONLY give attention to a-zhan, no one else it's the rule)
A Little Happiness by Suspicious_Popsicle (M, 20k, wangxian, Post-Canon, Age Regression/De-Aging, if you're looking at that last tag + the rating don't worry, the rating is only for the very end)
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2. Hi, do you have any fics that include or are entirety lan zhan pov? @chellsky
wide enough and wild by impossibletruths (E, 64k, WangXian, Canon Divergence, Getting Together, Canonical Accidental Baby Acquisition, Families of Choice, References to Depression, Happy Ending, I Swear To God I’m Giving Them A Happy Ending, Overzealous Use Of Imagery, Everyone Lives/Nobody Dies, Well Except WN But He Was Already Dead So, Fix-It of Sorts)
Obedient and Bellicose by thunderwear (T, 20k, Wangxian, Ella Enchanted AU, Canon Divergence, Fix-It, cursed LWJ, Angst with a Happy Ending, Emotional Hurt/Comfort, Good brother LXC, LQR loves his nephews you cant change my mind, LWJ crying, Protective LXC, Pining, First Kiss, Love Confessions, Brief Depictions of Violence, meaning at least one of the people you really want to get stabbed does in fact get stabbed)
A Matter of Time by mrcformoso (E, 41k, wangxian, Time Travel Fix-It, POV LWJ, POV JC, Dark LWJ, LWJ goes crazy, Manipulation, Grooming, Except LWJ & WWX are physically the same age, but LWJ kept his 30 year old mind, Wangxian Get a Happy Ending, Consensual Underage Sex, Except problematic please read warning in first chapter, Blood and Violence, Insane LWJ, Manic LWJ, Hand Jobs, Blow Jobs, Conditioning, Come Eating, Come Swallowing, Anal Fingering, WWX is a Lán, Minor Character Death, Golden Core Reveal, Good Friend NHS, WWX Isn't Adopted by the Jiāngs, Abusive Jiang Family, Not Jiāng Family Friendly, POV NHS, Dark NHS, Anal Sex, Marathon Sex, Dual Cultivation, Horny Wangxian, QHJ Lives, LWJ Has a Big Dick, Self-Lubrication, WWX Self-Lubricates, Qíshān Wēn Indoctrination, Plot Twists, Porn With Plot, Sunshot Campaign, Not Lánlíng Jīn Sect Friendly, Scheming NHS, Manipulative NHS, BAMF LWJ, BAMF WWX, BAMF NHS, Burial Mounds Lore, Sentient Burial Mounds, Married Wangxian, Implied Mpreg, Adopted LSZ, Breathplay, Dark WWX, Yandere LWJ)
🔒 The Price of Old Wishes by SoManyJacks (E, 67k, WangXian, Minor canon divergence, Angst, POV LWJ, Depression, Suicidal Thoughts, Eventual Happy Ending, Eventual Smut, Slow Burn, Emotional Hurt/Comfort, semi-verbal!LWJ, Implied/Referenced Homophobia, Implied/Referenced Suicide)
🔒 no new age by everythingispoetry (M, 146k, wangxian, LSZ & LWJ, LXC/JGY, LXC/NMJ, Canon Divergence, Angst, Hurt/Comfort, Permanent Injury, Recovery, Disability, Parenthood, Character Study, Thirteen Years of WWX’s Death, Growing Up, Family Dynamics, Self-Discovery, Mental Health Issues, Grief/Mourning, Families of Choice, Developing Relationship)
the cycle of regret by KouriArashi (T, 14k, WangXian, Groundhog Day, Fix-It, Angst, Angst with a Happy Ending, Alternate Canon)
A Narrow Bridge by FrameofMind, Jo Lasalle (Jo_Lasalle) (E, 700k, WangXian, Time Travel Fix-It, Canon Divergence, Slow Burn, Getting Together, First Time, Pining while fucking, Burial Mounds Settlement Days, Angst with a Happy Ending, CQL Verse, almost everybody lives/almost nobody dies, epistolary-ish, canon-ish side pairings, radishes)
body and soul by TooSel (E, 41k, wangxian, Canon Divergence, Fix-It, Marriage Proposal, Everyone Lives AU, Cultivation Sect Politics, Yílíng Wèi Sect AU, Adoption, Smut, Friends to Lovers, Angst with a Happy Ending)
🧡🔒Truth Will Out (when caught on video) - End_OTW_Racism! by KizuKatana (E, 151k, wangxian, WN & WWX & WQ, graphic depictions of violence, modern cultivation, canon divergence, YZY abuses WWX , caught on camera, partial core removal, WWX kicked out of Jiang sect, livestreamer WWX, meet ugly, dual cultivation, smut, no war, WIP) It includes large sections of Lan Wangji's perspective and POV. But the story is mostly from WWX's POV.
🧡🔒 rain falls and soaks into the earth series by RoseThorne (T, 53k, WangXian, WIP, Near Death Experience, Attempt Drowning, Madam Yu Bashing, Recovery, No war AU)
🔒 the thread may stretch or tangle but it will never break by RoseThorne (E, 91k, WIP, WangXian, Canon Divergence, Soulmates, Self-Esteem Issues, Fix-It, Angst, Hurt/Comfort, Nightmares, PTSD, Handfasting, Panic Attacks, Getting Together, First Time, Aftercare, Implied/Referenced Alcohol Abuse/Alcoholism, Implied/Referenced Torture, Scars, Chronic Pain, Golden Core Reveal, First Time, Switching, sex-related injury, LWJ Stays at the Burial Mounds, LSZ is a Wèi, Good Sibling JC, Dissociation, Burial Mounds Settlement Days)
🔒 Under the Fireworks by handwritten (onefromanotherworld) (G, 1k, wangxian, Fluff, Supportive WWX, Near Future)
In Imitation of Life by travelingneuritis (E, 70k, wangxian, modern cultivation, scifi au, android WWX, tone: neon seedy, rich people are bored and terrible, post-apocalyptoc landscape, happy ending, smut, severe major characger injury, time loss)
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3. i just saw a meme where it went;
MDZS: 📚
vs
MDZS if LWJ cried when WWX refused to come to Gusu with him: 📘
(if that makes sense)
sooo, is there any fics where LWJ starts crying and WWX just panics and yknow, canon divergence thing happens 🥺🫠
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4. IITMF some smut where the POV character tops. bonus points for bottomji and minimal kink, but I'm up for basically whatever.
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5. fics that highlight how everyone is enamoured by wwx's beauty/ yllz wwx's beauty+ wwx protection squad. @sonomaying
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6. Hello hello hello! In the mood for fics where Wei Ying or Lan Zhan have unusual professions? Or rather, professions which don’t commonly crop up in fic? Things like jewelers, mechanics, janitors, landscapers, authors, air host, etc. Avoiding more common fic jobs like police, coffee shop, florist, teacher, generic office worker, etc. Thanks!
Family Pictures (Or: “Mark Rothko is very, very dead, Wei Ying.”) by belleweather (M, 37k, wangxian, modern, Kid Fic, Post Mpreg, Cindarella Story, Mistaken Identity, Mistaken for Being in a Relationship, art conservator lwj, fake/mistaken cheating, no actual infidelity)
in the arms of the angel by ScarlettStorm (E, 37k, WangXian, Modern AU with Magic, Fox WWX, animal rescuer LWJ, Comedy, Smut, Getting Together, Hurt/Comfort, Adhd WWX, the mortifying ordeal of getting your head stuck in a peanut butter jar)
🔒paired wings soaring by typefortydeductions (E, 33k, WangXian, Modern, slice of life, domestic bliss, angst, fluff, smut, hurt/Comfort, kissing, bdsm, artist WWX, poetry translator LWJ, slight somnophilia) artist wwx, poetry translator lwj
Themes and Variations in F# Major by defractum (nyargles) (E, 18k, WangXian, Modern AU, Classical Music, Getting Together, POV Alternating, Long-Distance Friendship) lwj and wwx are both professional musicians
Covered in Bees by ScarlettStorm (T, 8k, WangXian, Modern AU, Beekeeping AU, For reasons, Meet-Cute, Comedy, Fluff, Bees, come for the flirting, stay for the bee facts, and the bee puns, kinkmeme fill, no actual kink) featuring beekeeper LWJ!
he gets under your skin by Skadiseven (M, 87k, WangXian, Inspired By While You Were Sleeping (1995), Modern AU, Accidental Engagement, Chicago (City), wangxian's tendency to self-sacrifice, Christmas, Mutual Pining, There's A LOT of Musical References, Slow Burn, Angst with a Happy Ending) Wei Ying works in ticket booth for Chicago's L but is a former writer while Lan Zhan is a doctor.
hurry down my chimney tonight by gusuvibes (G, 20k, WangXian, Modern AU, dad!lwj, WWX and JC are Santa's Elves, Holiday Setting, A-Yuan is too smart for his own good, Fluff and Humor, NHS is a pimp, but not literally, Happy Ending, Surprise Santas, Christmas) features jeweller Lan Zhan while Wei Ying is a photographer working as an elf for the holidays.
Falling to the Rhythm by Selenay (E, 128k, WangXian, Modern: No Powers, Dance, Strictly Come Dancing Fusion, Ballroom Dancing, Dancer!WWX, Violinist LWJ, Pining While Dancing, Oblivious WWX, Gratuitous Costume Descriptions, Gratuitous dancing descriptions, Slow Burn, [Podfic] Falling to the Rhythm by semperfiona_podfic (semperfiona)) features Wei Ying as a professional dancer on the show Strictly Come Dancing while Lan Zhan is a professional violinist.
Waiting for Spring by thievinghippo (E, 130k, WangXian, Modern AU, MLB AU, Baseball AU, Mutual Pining, Pining while fucking, slight angst, Happy Ending) has both Wei Ying and Lan Zhan as professional baseball players (WY is pitcher while LZ is catcher)
The Quiet Room by trickybonmot (M, 39k, WangXian, Modern AU, 1990s, Goth LWJ, Cellist LWJ, College Student WWX, House Hunting, Dating, Clubbing, San Francisco, Implied/Referenced Past Child Abuse, Mental Health Issues, Academic Disaster Aftermath, Getting Together, Repressed Teen Crushes to Strangers to Lovers, Homelessness, in the form of couch surfing, background NieLan) features DJ Lan Zhan!
Heat It Up! with Wei Ying by justpeace (T, 10k, WangXian, Modern AU, coworkers to dating, Getting Together, Chinese Food, racism that largely happens offscreen, workplace racism, toxic workplace environment, Workplace Relationship, food as a metaphor for racism, Humor, Happy Ending, Angst and Humor, food as a metaphor for flirting, References to Drugs, Alcohol, Asian-American Character) chef wei ying / has Wangxian as test kitchen chefs (cooks?)
grave goods by luckymarrow (E, 28k, wangxian, Grief/Mourning, Minor Character Death, Modern AU, mortician!wwx, Fluff and Angst, Angst with a Happy Ending, Established Relationship, Accidental Baby Acquisition, Marriage Proposal, abrupt tonal shifts, Tragicomedy, Comedy, Romance, Angst and Fluff and Smut, Adoption, Implied/Referenced Abuse, for lan parents, it's not described and is all backstory, Family Bonding, Family Dynamics, Married WangXian, brief daddy kink, the barest hint of consensual non-consent, Anal Sex, Oral Sex, BDSM) has WWX as a mortician, LWJ as an attorney (mind the tags)
🧡 Night of the Living History (an edutainment special!) by Aerlalaith (T, 51k, WangXian, Modern with Magic, Workplace Relationship, Fluff and Humor, Museums, living history, Some Plot, Slice of Life, Injury, a minor haunting) has them as employees at a living history cultivation museum
live from new york by varnes (E, 87k, wangxian, JYL/JZX, This is a SNL AU, however the juniors are featured and there are lots of shenanigans!, slow burn, friends to lovers, pining, getting together, happy ending)
💖 Pentimento. by orange_crushed (E, 73k, wangxian, modern, college/university au, art conservation, museums, pining, not actually unrequited love, angst w/ happy ending, misunderstandings, smut, major character injury, hospitalization, hurt/comfort, past incarceration, forgery)
Somewhere I Belong by athena_crikey (E, 20k, WangXian, Modern AU, Getting Together, First Time, Environmentalism, Nature, pilot WWX, scientist LWJ, ode to canadian north) Wei ying is a bush pilot and lan zhan is a chemical tester
Let the streetlights guide you homeby tellthemstories (M, 37k, wangxian, modern, UST, car racing, Mojo’s bookmark) and associated podfic. The boys are illegal street racers
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7. Itmf: Hello all! Does anyone know of any fics where Sizhui is angry with the cultivation world for killing his birth family? Especially if he points out to the Lans, his adopted family, how they took part in the siege that killed his birth family.
Symmetry by Vir_Abelasan (M, 13k, WangXian, LSZ & WWX, One-Sided ChengXian, One-Sided ChengZhui, Canon Divergence, LSZ is raised by wwx, Wwx still dies sorry, Revenge, Fake/Pretend Relationship, Dark LSZ, Manipulation, Power Imbalance, Torture, Not JC Friendly, JC’s Canonical 13 Years Murder Spree, BAMF LSZ, WangXian Get a Happy Ending, LSZ Gets to Go Apeshit)
Finding Balance series by Zombubble (T, 117k, JL & LSZ, LSZ & LWJ, LSZ & WWX, JL & LSZ & LJY, LXC & LSZ, LSZ & LJY, wangxian, Character Study, Canon Compliant, Mentions of Blood, Mentions of Violence, Mentions of Death, Grief, LSZ goes home to yiling and has emotions about it, Nightmares, angst with a hopeful but still kind of painful ending, Canon-Typical Violence, within a nightmare, injuries, Blood, LSZ has so much shit to work through, he'll be okay he's just riding the struggle bus, Yelling, argument, Conflict, Underage Drinking, slightly uncomfortable dinners, lets be real, they're in yunmeng, JC is there, LSZ is very aware of who he is, WWX is also there, this is not a formula for fluff, Light Angst, Happy Ending, JJC Being an Asshole, but not too bad, Anxiety, Grief/Mourning, Self-Reflection, Conflict Resolution, Internal Conflict, lots of talking, Lots of Thinking, LSZ-centric, Soft LQR, Collective Bargaining, LSZ accidentally incites a mini off-screen rebellion, It Gets Worse Before It Gets Better, Angst with a Happy Ending, Post-Canon, mild panic attack)
💖 When has silence saved anyone? by Vrishchika (T, 6k, wangxian, LSZ & WWX & LWJ, post-canon, LXC critical, family feels, angry LWJ & LSZ, LXC gets scolded)
history by tongzhi (T, 15k, Background WangXian, LSZ-Centric, Post-Canon, Angst, Grief/Mourning, Hopeful Ending, Character Study)
this blood in my mouth by ShanaStoryteller (Not Rated, 3k, WangXian, LSZ & WWX & LWJ, Post-Canon, POV LXC)
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8. Hello! I was scrolling on ur page and saw the latest fic finder 7. its sounds interesting, it already has 2 fics under that ask so i came here for the next ITMF, is there any fic similar to that? wwx or lwj being teacher and married to eo, juniors being their students. Thank you in advance!
Due Process by Kytrin, Mslead (E, 279k, WangXian, XiChengSang, Poly Junior Quartet, Modern AU, Foxxian, dragonji, Genderfluid WWX, WWX identifies as male, Organized Crime, Grief/Mourning, Hurt/Comfort, mentions of child abuse, Angst with a Happy Ending, Found Family, Reincarnation) kinda? WX get together pretty quickly in the fic, and the Juniors are WWX's students
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9. Hello! For the next ITMF i was wondering if there’s any wlw wangxian where LWJ is characterized as a butch lesbian, thank you!!
an inch away from more (than just friends) by occultings (microcomets) (E, 15k, Female WangXian, Modern AU, Rule 63, Femslash, Lesbian Sex, Genderbending, Pining while fucking, sexuality exploration, Compulsory Heterosexuality, Friends to Lovers, Masturbation, Kissing, Cunnilingus, Vaginal Fingering, Getting Together, Swim Team, Diving, Pool Sex, Outdoor Sex, Jealousy)
Are you gonna be my girl by 74243 (E, 14k, Female WangXian, Modern AU, Established Relationship, Forced Feminization, Sadism, Dom/sub, Slut Shaming, Internalized Misogyny.... but like.... Make It Sexy, Humiliation, Semi-Public Sex, Exhibitionism, Painplay, Cock Warming, Genderplay, Vague sugardaddy LWJ vibes) this author actually writes a lot of butch lab zhan actually
sideways by vesna (mrsronweasley) (E, 20k, wangxian, F/F, Modern, Cisswap, butch dyke LWJ, Casual Sex, not so casual sex, many many orgasms, Fingerfucking, Cunnilingus, strap-on sex, So much kissing, WWX gets rekt, straight girl WWX, except for how she isn't)
here is the tag for butch lan zhan
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10. For the next itmf I’m looking for wangxian centric heavy angst preferably with happy ending but it’s not a requirement. I will take canon, au, arranged marriages, anything that brings sweet suffering @kanrax-blog
Common love isn't for us by feyburner (M, 7k, WangXian, Modern AU, Friends to Lovers, First Kiss, Making Out, Misunderstandings, Fluff and Angst, Happy Ending) this is a short modern AU but it almost always makes me tear up
🔒Salt to the Sea by Starmins (M, 31k, wangxian, JYL & WWX, modern, grief/mourning, roadtrips, canonical character death, love & loss)
134340 by silverclaw (M, 18k, WangXian, Space, Space Opera, Heavy Angst, Character Death, Grief/Mourning, Closure, Parallel Universes, Coco the robot, LWJ accidentally adopting creatures as he goes, LWJ also has a nose ring, The following are SPOILER tags, there are two lwjs and one of them dies, wwx mourning lwj, Hopeful Ending, in terms of closure and healing, parallel!lwj and wwx form a bond, mentions of captivity, dystopian themes)
Orchid Teeth by FairyGardenCorgis (E, 97k, WangXian, Fluff and Angst, Romance, dragon lwj, fox wwx, Chinese lore, Hurt/Comfort, Dark elements, Emotional/Psychological Abuse, Explicit Sexual Content, Angst with a Happy Ending, Sexual Abuse, Starvation, Torture, Sexual Humiliation, Lesbian Sex, Sounding, kinda omorashi in chapter 16, proceed with caution guys, Gang Rape)
here comes your ghost again by yuer (vintageblueskies) (T, 4k, wangxian, WQ & WWX, post-canon, nightmares, embroidery, angst)
to remember names of plants series by detention_notes (T, 8k, wangxian, diary/journal, character study, angst, parenthood, pining, anger & fear, found family, grief/mourning, reminiscing, yearning, canonical character death)
Holding onto what remains of my life (it's slipping through my fingers) by Indrel (M, 3k, WangXian, Heavy Angst, Hurt No Comfort, Ambiguous/Open Ending, Child Death, Miscarriage, Mpreg, A/B/O Dynamics, Alpha LWJ, Omega WWX, Hurt WWX, POV LWJ, Protective LWJ, First Siege of the Burial Mounds, Blood) very heavy angst with an open ending, mind the tags
Concord by Deastar (T, 41k, WangXian, Arranged Marriage, Gūsū Lán Sect Rules, Depression, Canon Divergence, Angst with a Happy Ending)
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11. Ok folks! I'm in the mood for: your favorite NEWER (as is posted within the last year or so) fics where one or both of Wangxian say fuck gender. Any other details don't particularly matter, I just want some good ol' gender shenanigans
Keeping secrets by Winxhelina (T, 8k, wangxian, Hurt/Comfort, Fluff and Angst, Curses, Angst and Humor, CrossdressingLove Confessions, Kissing)
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12. Hi! For ITMF, is there a time travel fic where WWX raised young him or become young WWX's brother? Or WWX become Wei Cangze's brother/cousin/parent? Thank you! @idontknowwhattowriteforusername
In Another Life by SingingInTheRaiin (M, 21k, wangxian, time travel)
so when you go wherever it is you will go, take the moon with you by comforting_monachopsis (T, 121k, WWX & WWX, WWX & WQ, WWX & WN, wangxian, JC & WWX & JYL, past WWX/SS, past WWX/XY, canon divergence, time travel, dimension travel, modern, private investigator WWX, professor LWJ, trauma, serial killers, strangers to lovers, BAMF WWX, hurt WWX, WIP) this is a very liberal interpretation of what you asked for
MingYu by Fino_Al_Cielo (T, 89k, WWX & LWJ, YL WWX, yunmeng siblings, Fix-It of Sorts, Time Travel, Canon Divergence, Somebody Lives/Not Everyone Dies, PTSD, References to Depression, Implied/Referenced Suicide, Suicidal Thoughts, Angst and Hurt/Comfort, Slow Burn, Trauma)
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13. Hello! I am here with another ask.
I would like to read fics in which Lan Wangji straight up takes wwx to Gusu after his denial.
The scene goes like " Come back to Gusu with me"
" I refuse"
*straight up carries and takes back to Gusu*
Thank you @lostsoul234
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14. hello long time no request! im itmf a-yuan inheriting suibian. thank you for your hard work always ♥️
it's a long road but we're not alone by Stratisphyre (M, 61k, WangXian, Canon Divergence, Somebody Lives/Not Everyone Dies, Canon-Typical Violence, Parenthood, Grief/Mourning, Family Feels, Reunions, Golden Core Reveal, Background SL/XXC, Getting Together)
❤️ kick at the darkness ‘til it bleeds daylight by AlfAlfAlfAlfAlf, tardigradeschool (T, 75k, WangXian, Hurt/Comfort, Everyone Lives/Nobody Dies, Eventual Happy Ending, Getting Together, Burial Mounds Settlement Days, Inspired by The Parent Trap (1998), Kid Fic, teen shenanigans, two a-yuans, Fluff and Angst, [Podfic] kick at the darkness 'til it bleeds daylight by contributor-sky (deepestbluesky), esbielle was also here (esbielle), glittercracker, GodOfLaundryBaskets, jellyfishfire, kisahawklin, Koontyme, Rionaa, semperfiona))
Just as the Snow Melts by draechaeli (T, 66k, WangXian, XuanLi, SongXiao, Everybody Lives, Canon Divergence) Its only mentioned not the focus of the story
hereditary series by yutro (G, 1k, LSZ & WWX, JC & WWX, JC & LSZ, wangxian, Found Family, WWX adopting LSZ, Or the other way around, childproofing a sword, JL is there but it's not about him, WWX is still dead, LWJ is not here but his presence is felt, no i don't know why suibian has not sealed itself don't ask me)
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15. ITMF WangXian fuck or die and/or sex pollen fics? Particularly ones where they are in a tense situation, like on a night hunt or maybe during the SSC. Oh! And prior to them confessing. So like, they are forced to woohoo before they know the other likes them too. Thank you!
Give You What You Like by Jo Lasalle (Jo_Lasalle)(E, 11k, WangXian, Fuck Or Die, Bad Guys Made Them Do It, Canon Divergence, angst with an eventual happy ending, First Time, Episode Related)
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16. Hi!! This is my first time sending a ITMF...Sorry if I do it wrong...
I just read fic 'All was well when you were still with me' by KoHITTSujiChan and the situation where Wangji was the one who punch Zixuan at CR is so hot..
Are they any fic where Wangji punch Zixuan because a)he want to protect Yanli or b)the idea of Wei Ying married anyone else make him angry
Thank you in advance... @chibiizzy
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17. ITMF a fic where the swords turn into Humans for some reason or maybe they just have a human form? Maybe some musing on wwx and the golden core but it’s not a must @zerokogane
🔒We’ll Build This House on Stone (Altars) by FluffyHippogriff (E, 264k, wangxian, angst w happy ending, romance, supernatural elements, friendship, old god LWJ, YLLZ WWX, hijinks & shenanigans, canonical character death, nonbinary character, nonbinary bichen, WIP) contains Bichen who can take human form.
🔒Intervention of Spirits by Vrishchika (T, 4k, WangXian, Pre-Relationship, Canon Divergence, Golden Core Reveal, WWX Has a New Golden Core) several of the swords have human(like) forms
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Hi Gina!! Sorry for diverting from the topic, but can you please tell me why people are so repulsed by Eleanor? I'm not exactly new here and I've been through the threads about her problematic behaviour during the early days like calling fans names and the whole racist bit she did with her friend (I personally took extra offense to that as an Indian woman) but I also think that she was very young back then and people do stupid shit when they're in their early twenties and don't always apologize for it even when they know better later (not an excuse, just saying that it was a long time ago).
Now I'm not saying that she's for sure a better person now or whatever, I wouldn't know honestly as I don't follow her. But I found her alright during Elounor 2.0 (I joined in 2021) like she posted him sometimes (gave good content honestly), they got papped here and there, when he toured she attended a couple shows. It was all quiet lowkey and straightforward as far as I know (except for the whole airport arrest scandal).
I also struggle with the idea of hating someone just because they're a beard (though a lot of those people end up exhibiting toxic traits seperate from the arrangement), because for that person it's a job/opportunity to further their career, they're not the ones closeting or oppressing the closeted artist. If not her than it would've been someone else just as easily.
I guess my question is, did I miss something here, did she do something during the last few years that warrants such hate? Or is it mostly because of her earlier problematic behaviour + the fact that she was a beard at all?
I ask because I think comparing her to OW (the most horrible ever) might be a bit excessive based on my current knowledge of her.
Thank you in advance!!
I don’t actually know anyone “repulsed” by her. She was hated in the first incarnation of Elounor—in part because some things she supposedly did that were racist/mean. But I think most of it has to do with how miserable Harry and Louis always looked and how she was used as a tool to keep them in line (which was the label/management’s doing).
I think there was this overall perception during the band years that she enjoyed upsetting Harry and that she had done some shitty things to him. Plus, there was a general consensus that her presence was emblematic of their closeting. So when they broke up in 2015 not long after all the craziness of 2014 and the big gay war, fans were really hopeful it was a good sign.
Of course, then we got party boy Louis and babygate. So, be careful what you wish for.
Elounor 2.0 was very different. Louis seemed to be in control of things this time and he looked far less miserable (although not exactly thrilled) and she was so low-maintenance as a beard. Other than the fucking E tattoo that he was forced to talk about incessantly (along with “me little lad” nonsense) in 2017, she basically made a few posts and showed up for a few shows and walked the dogs. She didn’t bother me in the least.
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as promised, here it is: The Big Life Update Post (aka m where the hell have u been and what the hell is going on with this blog)
TLDR: went thru it, came out better for it, i love y'all. and we're getting back into this writing thing as i have the time and capacity 🥳
2023 has been a bit of a whirlwind, to put it very mildly. while the first three months started off relatively smoothly, my saturn return began in the middle of march. only a few short weeks after that... well, i'd basically say everything went off the fucking rails.
content warning: drama talk incoming ft. extremely brief mentions of racism and racist hate mail (no specific details shared).
i haven't spoken on this yet since everything happened, and i want to be explicitly clear that i won't be speaking on it further after this post. but i just want you to understand where i've been at since april.
i will own it entirely and say: i fucked up. i put content in a story that i shouldn't have, that i had no business speaking on, and i think people were well within their right to call me out on it, one hundred percent. however, after i went offline at the end of april, my friends ended up learning that the person who initially stirred up all of the "tea", and submitted the first several anonymous posts about me to a hate blog, was actually someone i knew well and considered a friend.
this was someone whose stories i gladly beta'd, someone i consoled through multiple hard moments in their life, someone i actually even met in person. yep. this was also someone who had read the chapter of my story that featured the problematic content when it was released, and proceeded to send me paragraphs upon paragraphs of how much they enjoyed it, and the story as a whole. this is not to say that people can't change their minds on content after sitting with it, not at all. but to think that i had been through so much with this person, done so much to be there for them, and that they never once gave me any reason to think we were anything other than close friends. yet ultimately, they didn't feel they could come directly to me... or find quite literally any other way of dealing with the issue?
instead, they chose to send multiple messages about me to a hate blog, as well as hateful anons to several of my friends, thinking that we wouldn't know it was them (we did). not only that, but their actions encouraged an actual torrent of racist hate mail to be sent to all of my non-white friends who publicly chose to support me. ultimately, they ended up admitting all of this, and still, they never once apologized or showed even a single iota of remorsefulness or responsibility for the onslaught of vitriol they incited. (even though, you know, this whole thing was supposedly about how racism is bad.)
and this user is still on the platform, operating under a new blog name and pseudonym. so. that's fun. 💀
i don't say this to beat a dead horse, or to drum up sympathy, because i promise i don't want it. it's been long enough, i understand the mistakes i made, and i've done my part to take accountability for my actions. but i needed to start this post here to have you all understand where i was at the end of april - just in time for yoongi's tour 🤪 - in many ways, i felt like i had no friends, at least none that i could really trust. i felt unsure who might have been acting one way to my face, perhaps even praising me, but talking different about me behind my back. and it was beyond fucking nervewracking to think that i would be meeting so many friends IRL for the first time, quite literally days after what essentially felt like a public execution.
i wasn't doing well, to say the least.
and then... the funniest thing happened.
y'all showed the fuck up for me. in droves. in a way that i have quite literally never experienced in my lifetime and doubt i ever will again. even recounting it now is lowkey giving me chills. i received, literally, yes i counted, hundreds of DMs from the most incredibly kind people- on tumblr, on twitter, on discord, in AO3 comments. the vast majority of you wrote paragraphs: about what my stories have meant to you, about how you found my blog to be a safe space in the noise of the world, about how much you'd enjoyed our time together here. so many of you said something along the lines of "even if you never come back here again, please keep writing". honestly, for like a week straight all i could do was read my DMs and cry and cry and cry.
i didn't receive a single hateful DM. not one.
as if that alone isn't more blessings than i deserve in an entire lifetime, i also, you know. saw five shows of agust d on tour. (my credit card is still recovering.) spent two of the best nights of my life in pit getting a water bottle baptism and screaming myself hoarse. and met dozens of incredible moots, who held me when i cried, scream-laughed with me, and of course, drank plenty of booze with me.
at a time where i wondered to myself if i even had a single true friend in this fandom (or, like, in the world), you all showed me that i had so much more. that we had so much more-- we had a community. and i believe we still do. and i am more than ready to block out all the shit that doesn't matter and get back to having some fun around here.
in short: thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you. if you sent me a sweet word, i promise you, i read it (and probably cried lmao). i wouldn't be doing any of this without you. i will never ever deserve all the love that you have shown me. but for as long as you'll have me, i'd love to have a fun stupid horny time in this little corner of the internet. as a part of our community. what a fucking gift it is. 🫶
phew. okay, so- that was april and may. it's november. what the fuck happened?
i knew i wanted to properly take time to get my head on straight before i found my way back to writing. what i wasn't expecting was to 1. fall in love, 2. get a new job, and 3. move myself and my cat approximately 800 miles across the country... but yeah, since the end of may, those 3 things are exactly what i've been doing!
i won't talk too much about my partner here, because our relationship is important enough to me that i want to keep it largely private, but my god. he is the most incredible human. i can't tell you how much of what i wrote out as silly little daydreams in my fanfiction has somehow manifested itself into this very real human being (like, it's kinda crazy lmao 🙈). i'm grateful for him every single day. and what makes it even more special is that we met for the first time in person while i was traveling for yoongi's tour - yep! he saw me going through so much upheaval, and fell for me all the same. just another thing i will never fully believe i deserve. but goddamn do i feel luckyyyyy 🥰
and in addition to my amazing partner (and in part because of him but honestly i had plans to move before i had even met this man it just happened to work out okay ���) i have also finally managed to do what i've been planning for the last year and a half, which is move my ass out of the southern suburbs where i'd been for nearly a decade, and to a ✨walkable city that actually has public transit✨ - what a fucking dream. i may have only been here 8 days, and i may not have much more to my name than my cat, my TV, and my mattress, but i swear to god, i've never been this happy in my entire life.
so yeah. exhale. like i said, it's been quite the year.
now i do want to end this with a small caveat, which is to say, i can't make a promise as to how much i can *be* here (particularly not compared to how terminally online i used to be lmao). i spent a lot of time online because i was unhappy and feeling very stuck with where i was in life, and i needed escapism, bad. now, i've finally gotten to a place where i'm excited to go out of my house and do things, but i still want to make intentional time for tumblr as a form of connection and community, and writing as a form of creative expression. these things are really important to me!!! i just ask that you give me some grace if i'm a little slow on the uptake. i promise i'm still here 🥰
and writing is gonna happen!!! i can't say much more than that, because tbh i haven't so much as opened a google doc since april, but i've been itching to get back to it. maybe.... we might start off....... with some........... drabble requests??? 👀 we'll see we'll see we'll see hehe.
in any case, i think that's more than enough for now 🤪 oh how i've missed babbling to you all, the gay people in my phone. i hope you're well, and if ya feel so inclined, i'd love it if you'd send me a comment or a DM on what you've been up to in the many months it's been since we've spoke! what's new in your life? what are we manifesting??
talk so so soon, eeeeee~ i'm so happy to be back~ love you babes!!! 🤍
#mposting#quite literally the longest mpost of all time#if you read the whole thing i LOVE YOU#if you don't i understand lmao i too have adhd
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Hey Guys! So recently I’ve seen a few things regarding Romani Dick Grayson, and how his comic portrayal is lowkey racist and a bit problematic. In this universe Im creating, I would like to keep his hematite as Roma/Romani, however I want to go about it in a positive way that can serve to accurately portray the culture, or at least a small portion of it, in a representative way. I want a character that people can see themselves reflected in, rather than a caricature of the culture. That being said, I am still a white American and google can only get me so far, so if anyone knows of any good resources I can look into, or anyone that would be willing to work with me on this, that would be fantastic.
(This is also not limited to just Dick Grayson, if there are any other characters you want to see accurately represented, feel free to reach out to me about those too. I don’t have Duke’s experience as a black man, or Barbara’s in a wheelchair, but these characters all mean so much to me and I want to show them off as the badasses they are, while not taking away from the things that make them unique. I want diversity in stories, but not just for the sake of diversity. Kids and adults deserve to have characters they can see themselves in. Not everyone is a straight white man. Steph is someone I relate a lot to, so most of my characterization of her is me projecting a bit, and I want to give other people that opportunity as well. Sorry for the rant, but I hope this reaches the right people.)
#batman#batfamily#dick grayson#nightwing#romani dick grayson#batcomputer project#characterization#dc universe#headcanon
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just saw ur caste dating discourse post and realized meulin would've been lambasted by all of those groups for getting w the 2 highest landdwelling castes. kankri would write her callout post. feferi would've been accused of coercing sollux to be w her etc etc
girl would be in the TRENCHES fighting off the waves of terminally online freaks kankri keeps sending her way,, someone save her
genuinely i dont think a single beta troll wouldve made it through the discourse unscathed LMAO
aradia? well clearly shes only with sollux because he could easily kill her w/ his psiionics (god help them if the grumblr mob ever finds out that he *did* technically do that one time)
tavros is held up as like the posterchild for why lowbloods and highbloods shouldnt be in quadrants even though he and vriska were uh. never in a quad together. does he try *telling* anyone that? probably not!
sollux? psiionics. threatening aradia into a quad. (also tbh getting into a quad with someone when youre a goldblood is lowkey problematic because what are they supposed to do after you're sent offplanet and helmed? its honestly really manipulative holding someones quad hostage only to leave them forever which is why all golds should take a vow of celibacy-) hes only making it worse by being an absolute dick to everyone involved and escalating shit so far that theres multiple attempts on his life and everyones *convinced* hes a serial manipulating asshole because lmao why would he tell those idiots theyre wrong
karkat? you mean that hemoanon freak thats probably just a highblood trying to pass himself off as a lower caste so he can manipulate lowbloods into his quads?
nepeta and equius would be torn APART - not only is he three castes higher than her, but hes also far physically stronger so clearly shes the weak defenseless victim here (they keep saying this even after she culls someone for it. nep im so sorry)
kanaya shouldnt even *be* in a quad since shes a jade and theyre meant to be sequestered (similar argument to golds where actually its really cruel and manipulative to be in a quad with someone when you know you two are going to be forced to be apart for sweeps - no they dont care that she left the caverns. she still shouldnt be doing that shit its a bad example for other jades smh)
terezis honestly the most divided because her relationships are either her and karkat (potential highblood, terezi might be victim *or* karkat is a lowblood and shes the one with power over him) or her and vriska (no one wants to know whats going on there). although tbh she is a lawyer which means she can get her quads tried and killed for whatever bullshit crime she can come up with if they try to leave :/ never date a cop lawyer folks
vriska. mind control. do i need to say more. every vriska relationship is toxic and awful and she wouldve been cancelled 50 times over if the ringleaders of her callout posts didnt mysteriously 'deactivate'
equius. too strong to date - how can you be in a quad with someone that not only has a shit ton of social power over you, but also could literally tear you apart if he wanted to. also lowkey problematic for making and fighting/kissing (??? its unclear online and no one wants to know) robots :/ like those are clearly stand ins for lowbloods that hes attacking/potentially fetishising and they literally have to do everything he says thats fucked up
gamzee. highblood. automatic oppressor. part of a niche religion - if you try to quad him you either have to convert (cultural (caste?) appropriation) or dont become part of the clurch (rude, disrespecting his beliefs). constant discourse about whether clowns can even consent to a quad because theyre presumably high all the time as part of their religious practices. constant discourse about how assuming clowns are high all the time as part of their religious practices is casteist as fuck.
eridan. somehow one of the least problematic trolls out of the group (which is saying a fucking LOT). only has quads with someone a caste higher than him (although that caste is fuschia. is he the victim here??). pursues lowbloods constantly though which is problematic as fuck (at least he doesnt kill them if they turn him down. the bar is on the fucking floor)
feferi. god forbid a woman do anything. pale with eridan? sure hes only a caste lower than her but also shes the literal fucking heiress - what was he gonna do, say no? he cant even hide in the ocean from her!! shes a seadweller too!! flushed with sollux? holy shit hes like 8 castes lower than her of fucking course he had to say yes! shes probably only dating him so she can helm him later anyway :/ really its problematic as shit for her to even have friendships with trolls of other castes because shes just using them without giving them the benefits of being in a quad (shes the literal heiress of course shes going to get whatever she wants from them) - but also if she stayed distant and didnt talk to anyone then shed be accused of being full of herself and thinking she was better than anyone else and #NotMyHeiress
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this is so unserious but how would your faves pair up if you for some reason made them run an anything goes three-legged race and who would win??
i love this 😭😭 LMAOOO okay let's see… getting some of them to pair up on their own might be tricky LOL but it's like a partner project in school; you gotta have somebody at least so they're gonna end up with somebody regardless.
so i guess this is how it'd go (i'm making a rule that there are no powers allowed since not everyone has them to begin with 💔):
bakugo & kaiser — as much of a disaster as it sounds to have these two together… i think they might actually pick each other. neither of them WANTS to pick ANYBODY ofc but given that they have to, i think they'd both want to go with someone they know will help them win. as ridiculous as they believe the whole thing is, they still don't wanna lose LOL and who better to go with than the other insanely competitive blond guy?? they'll get along just long enough to make it work
oikawa & jean — oikawa also wants to win and lowkey so does jean so i think they'd try to team up. they have serious beef with team bakukaiser and want to crush them by any means necessary so they'll try to stop bitching at each other and work together
sunday & wriothesley — i feel like sunday would approach wriothesley tbh. wrio is a sensible guy but also really physically capable so while sunday will act graciously no matter where he ends up, he still has preferences. i think there's also a tiny bit of a secret competitive streak within him that wants to win so having wriothesley as a teammate would give him an edge while also sparing his sanity from dealing with someone like gojo or bakugo.
gojo & yuuta — speaking of gojo, there are a few who are immediately thinking "i want gojo" when told to pair up LMFAO but when i announce the "no powers" rules they're a little less enthusiastic sodifjioafj he's still a really good competitor but is a fucking doofus. and i think he would want to pair up with yuuta for funsies
sakura & toji — so sakura's first choice would probably be umemiya ofc but tbh i'm having this vision of him being poached by toji for some reason. toji thinks he's a strong little dude and while toji himself he doesn't necessarily need help from anybody, he decides it can't hurt to have the extra boost. and lowkey i think sakura probably reminds toji of himself a little bit in some ways so there's like a subconscious bias lmao
denki & ryusui — these two are exploding with enthusiasm over this whole thing. they're getting hyped up and convincing themselves that they're gonna win and are definitely going to have fun regardless
belphie & tanjiro — belphie is not overly excited about this activity and is sort of quietly hoping that he'll be able to get out of it somehow but then tanjiro approaches like "belphie! would you like to be my partner?" because he sees him all alone and belphie can't so no because tanjiro is so nice oaifjidsofj he's also strong af which will balance out belphie's lazy ass (tho tanjiro's encouragement actually convinces belphie to put in effort)
megumi & vash — this duo is entertaining yet somewhat cute in my mind. megumi's another one who's not really actively trying to seek out anyone in particular and vash is happy to just sort of go wherever, so they end up as a team when vash asks. they aren't half bad either once they get coordinated.
suga & umemiya — and last but not least: the Fathers. they're both just happy to be here and are waiting to see who might need a partner at the end. they're used to kinda being the mediators and dealing with the more… problematic individuals, but are pleased to see that everyone else has managed to pair up already, so THEY get to team up in the end!! it's a refreshing change of pace for them to not have to wrangle brats for once but they're still keeping an eye out from a distance
and the winners???? lowkey my heart kinda wants to say sakura and toji for some reason. i feel like they sorta need it LOL like it would be a little healing for them, especially as individuals who are used to fighting tooth and nail for everything, particularly against others who have more power/privilege. i think they managed to strategize and coordinate well for this one.
#robin.msg#aly.moot#the_aviary.exe#this was so fun LOL thank u!!!!!#now i'm imagining a whole aviary field day. elementary school style
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the thing is that he was never private, he just liked to pretend to be. People wouldn’t know which friends to look at if he was truly private. And, while her and her friends are awful, it isn’t them posting about any of this. It’s all him and his side. He really is a totally different person than I thought he was less than a week ago.
I think he was always a private person; I don't think knowing their friends' names is evidence of him not being private. The GP doesn't know them, and it's normal that fans know these types of things. He doesn't post about his life every single day; he didn't parade with Minka or Jenny; you saw them out since they were a normal couple, but he wasn't posting about either of them or their relationships, and Minka wasn't the most lowkey person either.
I think it's really telling that Chris's friends are selling the whole marriage narrative, while hers are relatively silent. I think it's probably because all of her friends are problematic, and after everything that came out about them, I think they think it's better to not worsen the situation by letting them drop breadcrumbs.
I think if this was something real and true, this whole baiting and breadcrumbing wouldn't even happen; they probably wouldn't even announce it, but maybe Chris would've called her his wife. Obviously, for this, he should at least mention her in an interview or something like that, which he never does, so...
If Chris is in a normal and loving relationship again, it's going to be nothing like this. No baiting, trolling, or breadcrumbs. They're going to be private and won't feel the need to sell their "relationship".
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What the fuqq happened with Chasing You 2 update??? Like why the guys were horrible as hell? I didn't expect that scene with Sam like why the fuqq Ursa had to make him a lowkey weirdo? He's the decent one out of the dudes, along with Ellia. And Erza is basically Tedros from The Idol lmaooo. Hell, the whole book feels like The Idol set in Victorian Era. Like what the fuqq? After the progress in S1, CY series went back to square one but worse than CY1. I want to like CY2 but after the update, I can't even bring myself to finish it.
Yeah, I'm with you on this one. Unfortunately, because like you said, CY2 was off to a good start. But now we're back to the same old bullshit.
At least Ezra is supposed to be a problematic villain LI, but literally all guys were weird and off-putting in this update in some way.
As for Ezra, it's the fact that there is no option to disagree with him or judge him is what annoyed me the most.
The way he kept 'complimenting' MC by diminishing other women in that party, and at no point was there even an option for the player to voice or feel sympathy for the sex workers. Or say that no, actually, doing sex work does not mean the woman is dumb or useless. There's a difference between a character (Ezra) holding misogynistic ideas, and the story itself essentially endorsing them. And unfortunately, it was the latter. This shit really irked me.
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Giving you a character: Billy, of course. :p
Of course, Billy Hargrove was to be expected :D

How I feel about this character: I have strong and complicated feelings about this character. He's a bad boy, the kind of guy I would have absolutely hated in high school but also the kinda guy who would not be boring at least. :D He's loud and obnoxious and parties like an animal, but his taste in music is impeccable (I love rock and metal and music from the 80's and I will not take criticism for that). He's got pretty eyes (that curly mullet is... well, let's say, H&M did it better <3), a nice body and a great fashion sense (denim-on-denim and leather jackets ftw) and he drives a Chevrolet Camaro from '79 like a madman. He can also be pretty funny when he wants to be, ridiculous even. So, what's not to like really? :P
All the people I ship romantically with this character: I mostly ship him with Steve, Eddie and Argyle (the last two are totally crack and fanon but who gives). I think Billy and Heather could've been hot, more than friends, maybe even friends-with-benefits if not an actual couple. Just sayin'. I've seen some great headcanons, maybe even fanart of Billy and Chrissy and I think, you know, the princess and metalhead setting could've worked with them, too.
As for my most 'problematic' Billy ship, I actually really like Billy and Hopper. There's this whole daddy kink thing involved I suppose. Lowkey my favorite crackship Ted and Billy as well. :P I'm also very supportive of Billy and El in general, I think the actors had great chemistry in s3 and I can see why some ship them, so I suppose I lowkey ship them (in spirit), too.
My non-romantic OTP for this character: Though I ship Billy and Heather romantically, I also love seeing them as 'gay besties', supporting each other and protecting each other. It's one of my favorite headcanons in this fandom. Same goes for Chrissy I suppose, if not romantically involved.
Though Billy had his issues with Max, maybe even than beyond just normal 'sibling-ship', I still enjoyed their relationship a lot. It's clear that they spent a lot of time together (whether they actually hated it or not), and that they deeply cared for each other.
My unpopular opinion about this character: The majority of the fandom seems to think (or at least acts like) Billy is the worst character in the show and at least used to actively bully and harass Billy fans and shippers (his actor got his fair share of that also I hear). Though Billy was definitely not the nicest character or even particularly 'goody-good' (he was a bully and quite shitty at times actually), acting like he's worse than Dr. Brenner, for example, is bullshit. We clearly did not watch the same show.
Also, for other Billy fans... He might be your baby, but he's not an actual baby. He's not really your son or child and you don't need to 'protect' him from the haters who can't separate fiction from reality (just block them) or tw/anti Karen or any other character you don't like in favor of Billy (you're no better). Billy can also be shipped with characters other than Steve (male or female, older and younger, even self-inserts) and just because you don't like it, doesn't make the ship automatically 'problematic'. It just means there are people out there who like different things than you and you need to learn to suck it up and look away. It's for the best.
One thing I wish would happen / had happened with this character in canon. That Billy wouldn't have faced such gruesome death. He wasn't a good guy, but he didn't deserve to die, especially so young. I also wish we could've seen what really happened between him and Max between seasons 2 & 3 because clearly their relationship improved there. Such wasted potential.
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Hi you need to solve my riddles lest you be um what rhymes with riddles.
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New pinned bc yes hi guys. Pronouns. I’m woke asf i use all of them i do have prefs sometimes but im too lazy to edit tumblr so uh yes.. i rly like it/its and fae/faer heh. those r on the table pls dont just use binary ones..
ARTFIGHT!!
oh yeah mental issues so I- (joke)
i do have ADHD tho and like 12 ppl think i’m autistic but im looking into that yay!
MMINOR!!!! WAGGLES MY FINGER AT YOU
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i fuck heavy with roblox games. hi phighting. hi forsaken* . hi regretavator occasionally. HI DANDYS WORLD(is shot!)
i LOVE MINECRAFT I LOVE IT. AND MCYT.
i am a BIG fanfic enjoyer. i lov you ao3.
I DRAW!!! and like write fanfic every so often . same user !
i love music but i don’t post abt it here yeah
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i literally tag nothing beyond “fav”, “my art” and “forsaken tag”. forsaken tag is so my oomf can block those posts if need be🔥🔥
i will ramble in tags
ummm oh yeah i will reblog semi or outright political stuff sometimes . i do not tag this, it is the lesboard experience to see me rant abt human rights and then immediately crash out over a roblox game.
IM SHY. Like it’s contradictory but i’m so shy when it comes to interacting with mutuals if you int with me first ill be so happy but talking to mutuals directly?? horrible. scary.
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TERFS , (etc) , Harry potter fans in the big 25. I will make fun of you. any problematic dsmp stans.
Queer label discourse LITERALLY shut up we are holding hands now ok! let’s focus on not getting outlawed first and then we still hold hands bc community is important.
ZIONISTS. NAZIS(duh.) ANTI-any religion guys were literally all humans ://
*ok important note abt forsaken. If you do not have at least a semi critical view on Souls clearly repeated usage of the R slur please just don’t talk to me!!!! People can change n stuff but if you’re not even like. “Yeah soul doesn’t deserve the treatment but they(?? what prns help) shouldn’t be saying slurs” at minimum i jsut do not like you sorry!!
DNIS r rly just a way to see if ppl don’t like the same thing as u lowkey oh and also i might just block bc i don’t like u. it’s the way of the world .
UMM if ur a proshipper id rather u not talk to me i will always defend ur right to post ur shit as long as it’s properly tagged (if it’s not go fuck urself) bc i don’t like censorship (bc it always leads to queer ppl being censored, etc.) and AWAY from me! !!! thankyou 😇
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Hello!!🫶 I’m the anon who inquired about Namgyu fans - or at least a subset of them - defending his actions. Glad to know you agree - your response was worth the wait dw <3 As a matter of fact; I have a lot more to say, so to continue the conversation: I think it has something to do with the "purity" culture which seems to have invaded online spaces, especially those that pertain to fandom, in recent times. There have been an influx of people - whom I assume mostly are minors with little to no experience in navigating conversations and discussions with strangers online - especially on nuanced topics - that constantly want to have the moral high ground. I blame this partially on the way it has become a trend to mob against an individual (whom might not even deserve it) to gain brownie points, and to make sure oneself won’t become the next target; and also on the way it has just become more acceptable to be straight up fucking rude on the internet - especially when said rudeness is disguised as criticism ("hope this helps!" <— I will shoot you with a gun)
The thing is, people becoming more observant of harmful behavior isn’t really a bad thing; more so it’s the way they go about it. BUT when it comes to partaking in discussion and overall participation in fandom spaces, these "rules" about what is deemed unacceptable and acceptable in fiction are different! Like you simply cannot just claim the entire fanbase (consisting of real life people just trying to enjoy their free time/ indulging in a hobby) of a show/character/ship to be "problematic" when the ethical standards being crossed are happening in FICTION.
Lowkey, that’s why when I stumble across a "Namgyu defender 2000" in the wild it only disappoints, but not surprises me. I can fully see the imaginary hoops and the mental gymnastics being done to jump trough them in my mind. Because it comes from a place of wanting to protect your dignity, and fear of being labeled something you’re not. Like I don’t think liking Namgyu makes you a misogynist despite the man in question possessing some very misogynistic qualities. But when those qualities itself are being defended (in an overall attempt to paint Namgyu in a more positive light) it of course plants that seed of doubt in a person then they come across a post trying to excuse his actions, and makes them wonder whenever the original poster actually just like him for being an interesting TV character, or if they genuinely don’t see a problem with him at all. And so it throws the rest of the Namgyu fans - the sane ones - under the bus.
I wish I could reach trough the screen, grab their hand, tell them to relax, and reassure them that - no, relating to aspects of Namgyu does not mean the police will show up at your door. No, making fanart or Namgyu taking pills over Semi’s corpse will not get you swatted. No, writing fics about Namgyu prioritizing the drugs over his relationship with Thanos is not a one-way ticket to hell. At the end of the day Namgyu is lines on a paper played out by an actor on a filmset.
Plus, stripping him of all his antagonistic traits just makes him…what? just player 124. Just another nameless victim of capitalism. But Newsflash!! people can actually be assholes, or bullies, or sexists, or do objectively awful stuff for no good reason. They think that just because real-life Namgyus are bad people, they should not be acknowledged, and therefore an accurate fictional portrayal just can’t be allowed to happen (I’m sorry did that train of thought make sense?🙏🏻)
Like you said: ‘liking a ‘bad’ character is not indicative of anything at all’!! And I can only guess that a handful of the Namgyu defenders were taken by surprise of how much they liked him when they first watched the show. Then a crisis commenced because "people who behave like Namgyu are awful, but Namgyu isn’t awful to me, so 1 + 1 = 3 ‘cause I don’t want to get shit or feel guilty for liking an on-screen asshole with incel behavior" Again: being drawn to a problematic character is OKAY - Hell, in Namgyu’s case, the problematic aspects of him is what I find most compelling.
Maybe this is why he in particular is so heavily feminized (in addition to Gihun) Some people wipe the slate clean in order to make him more socially acceptable to admire, and heavily zero in on his physical features like the sweater paws, shirt skirt and cat-like face. (He does indeed look like doudou. Pls look up that cat on insta if you don’t know what it looks like - it’s very cute) While fictional men being feminized or babygirlified or whatever doesn’t really bother me, I will say that it seems rather excessive in the squid game fandom - even sometimes bordering on the fetishization of asian men :/ (I’ll also throw in that often the feminization of Namgyu only happens in favor of adding some form of heteronormativity to thangyu, rather than to explore any kind of gender identity)
We already follow two groups of characters that are presented as good natured, and are supposed to be sympathetic (-In-ho). Namgyu does not need to be empathized with, or excused, or "in actuality be misunderstood" for it to be acceptable to be a fan of him. Every story has good people, bad people and a cast of characters in all shades of gray in between. Namgyu belongs in the last category - specifically in the more darker shades. It is simply the role he plays in the story. There are no if’s, or what’s or but’s about it. Save all that for Ao3.
(And I just have to laugh when I see people who genuinely think he might have a chance at surviving. As if a clash between him and Minsu hasn’t been built up from the second it was revealed in the character trailers that they are 1 number apart. He will die in divine retribution. Good riddance, Namgyu! You may have been an insufferable piece of shit, but you sure made for good TV and a crazy lot of cool fanart)
This post is insanely long already so before i bid farewell I just feel like I need to bring up one more thing on the topic of defending Namgyu. This one applies to Thanos too (probably more on his part) - the double standards when it comes to the roles they and Myunggi play. Because Myunggi is severely flawed, and I can understand why Thanos and Namgyu continuously target him. He is the reason they’re in the games (although they didn’t want to leave so idk maybe they owe him their thanks jk), but personally I find it a little hard to fully sympathize with them because they are in/almost in their 30s and willingly bought into crypto damn well knowing the risk like its kind of embarrassing lmao. But the way some fans will write like LOTR length twitter threads on how much of a horrific and evil person Myunggi is and how he deserves to die, while in the same breath defend Thanos and Namgyu. Poke fun at the way they treat Minsu and just straight up ignore how Thanos said he was gonna make Junhee his "bitch" while Namgyu stood idly by giggling. Like come on. They can dislike MG Coin all they want - that’s not the issue - but bringing morals into it is definitely it a choice…
I’m sorry this was so long lol
neverrr apologize for sending me a long ask haha i live for discussing characters like this; it's so fun for meeee, and i love hearing other people's thoughts!!!! <3
and i totally agree. like it's ok to love a bad character and not feel the need to change the bad parts of them. it's ok to like toxic characters and toxic dynamics. it's ok to like the villains, antagonists, and horrible people in a show/game/whatever.
and OMFG YEAHHH. i was literally JUST having a conversation with one of my friends about how crazy people are about having "the moral high ground" when it pertains to the characters they enjoy and pairings / dynamics they enjoy.
i see this a lot on twitter lol, with people debating the validity of the characters they like based on their actions within the show. i'll use young-mi as an example i guess because she is one of those characters that 100% did nothing wrong (i love young-mi).
like imagine saying something like 'oh my favorite is young-mi who was sweet and did nothing wrong and just wanted to go home. plus she didn't kill anyone either!!! but ur fav is nam-gyu who was an asshole to everyone and murdered ppl in cold blood etc. etc. nam-gyu stans are so weird for liking an asshole murderer etc. young-mi stans are better!" that's like horribly simplified, but i genuinely see people having conversations that are within the same vein lmao, as if the morality of your fav's actions somehow means something
idgaf if your favorite character indirectly caused the deaths of 100 people. or directly killed 100 people. or directly killed 1 person BUT WITH A REALLY REALLY GOOD REASON THO! or if they directly killed 1 person in cold blood for no reason. WHO GIVES A FUCKKKK IT DOESN'T MATTERRRR. you are not better than anyone else based on the character that you like omfg. justified or not. just like who you like!!!!!! IT'S GONNA BE OKAY.
it's just so dumbbb like what the hell happened to just having a favorite character in a story and just having fun with that.
i definitely agree with the rise of being rude on the internet, too. tbh idk why we can't just ignore stuff. like it's fine to complain about things you disagree with, bc ofc! but it's always gonna be way more worth your time to complain to like-minded people or in private with your friends, rather than trying to dogpile or go OUT OF UR WAY to be rude to someone else who may like a different character than u. like it just doesn't matter </3 i feel like it's always a "who can enjoy this show in the most Moral and Correct way while gathering as many brownie points and twitter likes as possible" competition online nowadays. i wish everyone could just like what characters they like without feeling like they need to come up with a reason for doing so or prove themselves to other people. it just seems so exhausting to constantly be thinking like that imo.
overall it's just dumb to think that you're somehow better than someone else or hold some sort of moral high ground over them because your favorite character is kinder than another one or something.
The thing is, people becoming more observant of harmful behavior isn’t really a bad thing; more so it’s the way they go about it. BUT when it comes to partaking in discussion and overall participation in fandom spaces, these "rules" about what is deemed unacceptable and acceptable in fiction are different! Like you simply cannot just claim the entire fanbase (consisting of real life people just trying to enjoy their free time/ indulging in a hobby) of a show/character/ship to be "problematic" when the ethical standards being crossed are happening in FICTION.
eeexactly. like everyone's just enjoying a character in a SHOW—EMPHASIS ON SHOW—that they like. it cannot ever be that serious. and yeah the generalization of people that just like a character is so dumbbb. are some nam-gyu fans genuinely weird? sure, yeah, of course. i'm sure they're out there! there's a lot of nam-gyu fans; i'm sure a couple of them are bound to be genuinely weird! you could say that about any group of people that like something. but to claim that ALLL people that enjoy a certain thing are weird or have 'bad intentions' for liking him is just dumb. i'm sure SOME of them do??? but like ALL of them????? how do you know.... 😭😭😭😭maybe someone just likes him because they thought he was funny. or they liked his haircut or something. BUT HOW WOULD U KNOW???
a quote that i enjoy: "people be saying stuff so definitively, like man i think it depends" IT DEPENDS. FUCKKK IT DEPENDS!!!!
in the grand scheme of things i also just force myself not to think about it so much. it always baffles me when i see people post more about stuff they HATE rather than what they like. like if u don't like a character bc they did immoral things in a show, just don't look at them. but to constantly talk about how badly you hate them and think the fans of them are weird RATHER than just posting about and peacefully enjoying things that you DO like. idk it just seems like such a big waste of time to me!
i went on a tangent there, but yeah i definitely agree that the reason so many nam-gyu fans try to mold him into some angelic saint that did nothing wrong or was 100% justified for his actions has to do with people online's eagerness to scrutinize others' tastes in fictional characters and establish some sort of hierarchy based on your the morality of your favorite character's actions. i think everyone just needs to care a lot less and just let themselves like the character they like for no other reason than they like them.
Lowkey, that’s why when I stumble across a "Namgyu defender 2000" in the wild it only disappoints, but not surprises me. I can fully see the imaginary hoops and the mental gymnastics being done to jump trough them in my mind. Because it comes from a place of wanting to protect your dignity, and fear of being labeled something you’re not. Like I don’t think liking Namgyu makes you a misogynist despite the man in question possessing some very misogynistic qualities. But when those qualities itself are being defended (in an overall attempt to paint Namgyu in a more positive light) it of course plants that seed of doubt in a person then they come across a post trying to excuse his actions, and makes them wonder whenever the original poster actually just like him for being an interesting TV character, or if they genuinely don’t see a problem with him at all. And so it throws the rest of the Namgyu fans - the sane ones - under the bus.
yup! like i promise the whole world that me liking a piece of shit asshole does not mean that i think it's ok to go around calling people bitches, murdering them, or bullying them. it's a show. it's not real. i think his character is interesting. i think he's funny. i like his haircut. so now he's my favorite character. it can truly be that simple!
and yesss to the end part about how it throws the rest of the namgyu fans under the bus lol. i always see gross generalizations when 'nam-gyu fans' are being discussed where people think that EVERYONE that likes him is delusional about him and his character. like bruh i promise there are people that like him capable of understanding that liking a character does not immediately mean you endorse and defend all of his actions😭😭😭 though i do agree, especially with younger fans, i do understand where the desire to want to endlessly defend nam-gyu so that people don't dogpile you or accuse you of shit is coming from.
Plus, stripping him of all his antagonistic traits just makes him…what? just player 124. Just another nameless victim of capitalism.
a big part of the appeal for me is the fact that he's done bad stuff. i think he's interesting because of it, and it's fun to me personally to try and imagine how he would react to certain situations and how he'd clash with other people and characters based on the unpleasant way he acts. like that's what makes him him! erasing all that just seems so boring. becase then who even is that at that point? not nam-gyu! i'll see so many people completely change or ignore everything about nam-gyu's personality (which is chill and fun yk, i get it), but at that point i'm just thinking. why not just make an oc?? because now he's just a dude that kind of looks like nam-gyu with all of the traits that made him who he is taken away.
But Newsflash!! people can actually be assholes, or bullies, or sexists, or do objectively awful stuff for no good reason. They think that just because real-life Namgyus are bad people, they should not be acknowledged, and therefore an accurate fictional portrayal just can’t be allowed to happen (I’m sorry did that train of thought make sense?🙏🏻)
i understand what you were saying (at least i think i did)! so to reiterate to make sure that i actually did understand what u were saying (correct me if i read it wrong): if nam-gyu were to be a real life person and all of his actions occured in the real word ... so a guy that killed multiple people and was an asshole to basically everyone he encountered, it's obvious that he would, without a doubt, be labelled as a 'bad person!' now because a hypothetical irl nam-gyu would be labelled as bad person without a doubt, a lot of people feel that the nam-gyu that exists in the fictional world of squid game needs to have some sort of justification for what he did, that he shouldn't be allowed to be a piece of shit just for the sake of being a piece of shit, that he shouldn't be allowed to be a bad person just because he's a bad person, despite there being many people irl who are bad people for no reason other than the fact that they're bad people, therefore making a nam-gyu with No reasonable justification for his actions an accurate portrayal of said 'bad people' that exist in reality.
is that right?? i may have overcomplicated it with how i said it, but in general i'm pretty sure i understood what you're saying.
while i don't think nam-gyu is completely void of any humanity, he's definitely NOT a good person, either, and that's fine! he's a bad dude who did bad things, and that's not up for debate.
in the real world, there are bad people who have done shitty things for no good reason, and accurate portrayals of those types of people are allowed to exist in fiction (i'm speaking more in the general sense now). it's totally fine to theorize and come up with backstories and reasons if they don't exist in canon as to why a shitty character may act the way they do, but it's also important to be aware that you can do that while simultaneously not feeling like you HAVE to defend a character with your life, or that a reason / justification for a character's actions HAS to exist for you to be allowed to like them. you know??
one character that comes to mind (not at all comparing or directly relating him to nam-gyu, but just a character that i think is a good example of 'character who is a bad person just because he's a bad person') is jimmy from mouthwashing, if you happen to be familiar with that game. i'm not an expert on the game, but from what i remember, his character does a LOT of horrible, disgusting things, and there's not really a valid justification within the game for why he did those things. and that's fine. horrible people like that EXIST in real life. not everyone needs a defense or a sob story. sometimes people are horrible because they're horrible. characters like that should be allowed to exist and allow for an accurate portrayal of real life horrible people. can people come up with a backstory that gives reason to his actions and introduces more nuance to his character? yeah sure if they want; they're allowed to do that. but do people HAVE to do that to justify his character's right to exist? no. people don't HAVE to do anything. and this applies to every character ever.
(And I just have to laugh when I see people who genuinely think he might have a chance at surviving. As if a clash between him and Minsu hasn’t been built up from the second it was revealed in the character trailers that they are 1 number apart. He will die in divine retribution. Good riddance, Namgyu! You may have been an insufferable piece of shit, but you sure made for good TV and a crazy lot of cool fanart)
mourning his death in advance LOLLL. he's my favorite, but yeah his ass is NOT SURVIVING!!!! i don't see a lot of the characters surviving with how the actors have been emphasizing the tragedy of season 3 LMAO. i'm excited to see season 3 so i can finally be at peace knowing the story has concluded and to see all the crazy shit that the director's been cooking up, and honestly more than anything i just want it to come and go already so people can watch it, get their final useless arguments in, and then MOVE ONNNN (either to different things or move on to a state of just enjoying the show in a chill, normal way without trying to fight for the moral high ground over others). also omfg i know it's the most obvious thing in the world, but idk how i managed to kind of gloss over the fact that they're 1 number apart LOL. like i've always known they were, but their close proximity is definitelyyy significant. however nam-gyu's (and maybe min-su's) death turns out, i know that it's gonna be interesting with all the build-up between their characters and the heavy emphasis the director placed on the drugs now in nam-gyu's possession. all i can say is FLY HIGH NAM-GYU!!! 🕊️🕊️🕊️
Maybe this is why he in particular is so heavily feminized (in addition to Gihun) Some people wipe the slate clean in order to make him more socially acceptable to admire, and heavily zero in on his physical features like the sweater paws, shirt skirt and cat-like face. (He does indeed look like doudou. Pls look up that cat on insta if you don’t know what it looks like - it’s very cute) While fictional men being feminized or babygirlified or whatever doesn’t really bother me, I will say that it seems rather excessive in the squid game fandom - even sometimes bordering on the fetishization of asian men :/ (I’ll also throw in that often the feminization of Namgyu only happens in favor of adding some form of heteronormativity to thangyu, rather than to explore any kind of gender identity)
yesss doudou!!! i really enjoy all the cat comparisons that people make about nam-gyu, lol. i think it's silly. and yes yes yessssss ugh. i have a lot of thoughts about the whole feminizing nam-gyu thing, and i wholeheartedly agree with what you said here. feminizing male characters has been around forever, the 'babygirlificaton', and i'm not mad about that too much, because yeah, i get it, that's been a thing forever. i used to be a mob psycho fan, and reigen got that 100000x over LMAO. i'm used to seeing it, and i can see why people enjoy it and find it funny.
HOWEVER. i completely agree that it's rather excessive and a lot of people use it to kind of gloss over everything he did because 'oh well he's my little diva meow meow so who cares abt his shitty personality and all the shitty things he did in the show.'
also, as an asian person myself, i definitely do get a little iffy with how eager people are to feminize certain squid game characters and have that be the ONLY thing they talk about when it comes to said characters. and there is DEFINITELY something to be said about the heavy infantalization and feminization of asian men, which is something that has been happening for fucking forever. idgaf if it's just a show lol, nothing exists in a vacuum.
and it really does start to get to a point where i'm uncomfortable when it leaks into being weird towards the actors. i especially saw this happening towards roh jae-won, with people (from what i saw, they were mostly than//gyu shippers) posting pictures of him (not in character, just him walking around and living his life on his personal instagram) and calling him a 'twink', using aforementioned pictures as "evidence". LIKE...... idk! that's just weird as fuck to me, personally. i struggle to articualte my thoughts on this, but there's something very very off about how a lot of people talk about and infantalize male asian actors sometimes and i don't fw it lol.
ALSO YEAH LMFAO. the feminization of nam-gyu in tha//ngyu specifically is interesting to me. i would argue that his character is pretty masculine and even exhibits a lot of toxic masculinity, and i'd say that between the two, it's thanos who exhibits more femininity than nam-gyu does. however, nam-gyu is the shorter one AND he's got hair past his ears, so therefore, he is the chosen one in the mlm ship to be feminized and add that heteronormativity in lol. it just starts to look like this after a while:
idk it's just interesting to me how the feminization in squid game always comes in for the sake of shipping and seemingly for the sake of making a ship more 'palatable' and heteronormative. also briefly touching on what happens to gi-hun (within the context of in//hun), it's weird seeing people boil down everything about gi-hun to be nothing but in-hun's clueless, bumbling, ditzy babygirl. like where is that coming from??? idkkkkk ik it's not that serious, but it's definitely interesting to see
But the way some fans will write like LOTR length twitter threads on how much of a horrific and evil person Myunggi is and how he deserves to die, while in the same breath defend Thanos and Namgyu. Poke fun at the way they treat Minsu and just straight up ignore how Thanos said he was gonna make Junhee his "bitch" while Namgyu stood idly by giggling. Like come on. They can dislike MG Coin all they want - that’s not the issue - but bringing morals into it is definitely it a choice…
i hear you on this!!!!!!! and yes, it's totally fine to like any character you want for no reason other than you like them, so likewise you can hate / dislike any character you want for no reason other than you dislike them lol. i get annoyed whenever morality comes into these types of discussions and now all of a sudden people are debating on whose actions were more justifiable. WHO CARES. at that point, the conversation gotta end lmao. people always feel the need to be on the defense, and i'm tired of it. it's fine if you hate mg coin just for the sake of it. it's not necessary to bring up his actions in order to compare it to the actions of another character's to justify your hatred.
i don't really hate any characters. i'm chill with mg coin, but i definitely don't gaf about him as much as i do other characters. i like him, but he's probably near the bottom of my list just bc i like others more than him. i would also say that he's definitelyyy not the best person ever, but i definitely don't think he's evil lmao.
nottt gonna get into it, but i would even argue that mg coin's actions are much easier to rationalize than thanos or nam-gyu's..... 😃and yet, that doesn't affect the ranking of my favorite characters at all, because i don't choose my favorites based on the morality and ethics of their actions or whatever the fuck. i choose my favorites based on whether or not i enjoy them as a character LOL, which everyone should do without feeling like they need to defend their stance. IT DOESN'T MATTERRRR
tldr: your fav character doesn't make u any better or morally superior than anyone else because they were 'less evil' or made 'morally better choices' than another character. you don't have to defend your favorite if they suck ass. you are allowed to like characters that suck if that's your thing. people that suck for no justifiable reason exist irl and are allowed to exist in fiction, too. peace and love
anyways, thank you for everything you said!!!! i really enjoy hearing takes like this! if u ever have any other thoughts, don't hesitate to hmu! ALSO. when season 3 does finally roll around and everyone (including nam-gyu) finally dies, you should totally hmu again to discuss😁🤞
#inbox#anon#2nd tldr: LIKE WHO YOU LIKE WHO GAF ABOUT THEIR MORALITY. THEY'RE NOT REAL IT DOESN'T MATTERRR#picture me wearing a shirt that says 'i love shitheads' on it
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I've reblogged stuff about like "send more asks!" before and I've decided to be the change I wish to see in the world SO
personally I like sniperhaul as a platonic pairing, not least because i see them both as Gay In The Wrong Direction. like in my mind they're constantly bickering but also refuse to leave each others' sides for more than a day because they both went through the same shit. they don't even dislike each other they're just constantly lowkey fighting for no reason other than habit
Also like. opinions on Bakugo Mitsuki/Tsutsumi Kaina? both in the sense of 'how would these two very different adult women interact' and in the sense of bakugo "i'm gonna be the number 1 hero at all costs" katsuki having tsutsumi "the hero system is fundamentally corrupt and being a hero is shit actually" kaina
(have i sent you an ask before? i think i might have)
hey there! i've never received an ask on this blog before, from you or anyone else, as its only like two weeks old. congrats on being the first 🎉🎉 (if you did send me an ask before, then tunglr ate it)
honestly chisaki kai is one of those characters that i perceive as aroace, which is like fifty percent me projecting and the other fifty is vibes. so whatever pairing i put him in is closer to a queerplatonic relationship than anything else. this is honestly the case for all shipping i do because i'm very aromantic but it's not always on purpose. but i'm also a shameless multishipper and i think that there's no single most correct pairing or even a single correct interpretation of said pairing.
this is all to say i love your take on sniperhaul. i definitely imagine them as the kind of duo who are always being catty with each other. borderline just pure rude if it weren't for the fact that the reason why they can banter freely is because of how well they understand each others' boundaries.
i feel like i have seen kaina/bakugo's mom fics and went. h u h. if you have any recs then i'll definitely read them. i think i was looking for something specific at the time so i scrolled past but now that you bring it up again i'm definitely intrigued. in regards to my first impressions of the pairing though. to be honest there's not a lot of canon information on mitsuki. her personality is assumed to be basically just katsuki but more chill. however i also think that the mothers of feral anime boys deserve to be even more feral because after ren gyokuen from magi something in my brain chemistry was permanently changed. so i'm just going to take liberties here and write mitsuki a personality that's not just "bakugo katsuki's mom".
so its obvious that katsuki takes after her, and she seems to understand that a lot of his mannerisms come from her. so i think she was one hell of a teenager. her quirk basically makes her have flawless skin. mitsuki was the definition of it girl. sorry she can't answer the phone she's at a party. maybe she even hooked up with kaina in college. if you really want to drive the katsuki connection in hard, maybe she was even a bit of a mean girl. though i think she wasn't as problematic as katsuki because she didn't have people feeding her ego constantly in the same way. anyway this is all to say that i think mitsuki mellowed out a lot with age. but she definitely still has something of a youthful spirit leftover from her heyday. her skin can be a metaphor for that.
if mitsuki is a woman who has held onto her youth, kaina is a woman who lost her youth early on. the phrase 'old beyond her years' applies here. she doesn't know how to be a teenager anymore. she forgot. what is it like to not spend every night haunted by the lives she took with her own hands? she doesn't remember.
when they meet then mitsuki takes one look at kaina and tries to ask her out for a drink. it's a small thing, but slowly, kaina is relearning how to be a person and not a weapon. mitsuki is showing her how. and mitsuki can't really understand what makes kaina miserable, what makes kaina wake up in a cold sweat in the middle of the night. but mitsuki can stay awake with her. she can hold her close and say. hey. you're more than whatever you see when you look at your own hands. anyway this got really long. i'm just making stuff up on the fly but yeah they could have that kind of dynamic.
ok ok. cracks knuckles. kaina and katsuki. the thing is that they have surface similarities i think. "so how should i solve this problem i have…" kaina and katsuki both stare at me like im fucking stupid "blow its brains out??" there's a duh here. they're both the kind of person who is smarter than other people assume based off of first impressions. but that's only because they're the straight arrow type. there's no fucking around the point with these two, they're blunt and very goal focused. they tend to hyperfocus on whatever they're currently trying to do, and they don't stop to wonder if it's wrong or just a liiiitle fucked up. cue the rude awakening.
you mentioned bakugo's hero thing vs kaina's hero thing, but i think that they're not as at odds as one might think. bakugo's hero thing was never a "save everyone" shirou emiya style (thats midoriya's patent). he admired all might because all might was always victorious. kaina probably wouldn't have a strong opinion one way or another. he's obviously missing something to make him a "true hero" or whatever. but she's not stain, for goodness sake. the whole idea of there being a perfect hero feels incredibly fake to her. if anything, katsuki's honest "i'm going to win to save people" approach might be more genuine than some fragile idealism that he can't actually back up. actually. to be honest, katsuki would be exactly the kind of hero that kaina wants to see more of. he doesn't mince words or pretend to be more righteous than anyone else. full transparency: he can be kinda a dick. but if society is going to employ heroes than people need to understand that heroes are people too, and yeah. people can be dicks. pardon my french. i'm channeling katsuki.
i don't think kaina would care one way or another that katsuki is striving for number one. the hero rankings were never really a thing to her. kaina's problem with hero society wasn't the same problem as what stain had. i think people assume that it is, because stain kinda had half of a point, except for the culling the fakes thing. but i think kaina would very much disagree with stain. because stain wanted more pure heroes. he wanted to exalt the ideal hero, put them above everyone else. and kaina just wanted heroes to get off their high horse and admit that they aren't perfect. nobody is.
deep breath. so yeah. thanks for the ask. thanks for reading my incoherent rambles too, assuming you got this far. hopefully i actually answered your questions, but if i didn't then sorry, this definitely got away from me. i also followed you back from my mainblog, so cheers to being mutuals. i'll try to send you a bunch of asks too, since 🤝 be the change you want to see in the world.
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day 3 - least favorite character
okay so I fail spectacularly at this, because I just love characters and seeing an creators interpretations of them and what their roles in a narrative are. And I love myself some bitchy ass toxic people. So im just going to talk about the city hall girls because I've seen a few people name them as their least favorite but I still love them. Spoilers ahead btws
Their entire role within the story is to act as different foils to Yor, and they all do that spectacularly, especially Camilla.
Sharon so far we know the least about, just that she is a mother and so far is a lot colder than the others. I hope we get to see her family eventually, I want to know what her dynamic with them is like. Does she warm up, goof around with her kids like Yor does with Anya, or is she aloof like how she is with her coworkers? What they have some sort of play date with the kiddos, and we can see that dynamic in more detail? And then we can see how maybe if Sharin and Yor sees each other's parent philosophies and maybe how they can both improve? Idk I want to know more about this lady.
Millie is just fascinating to me. She is arguably as naive as Yor can be. I'm pretty sure she is the youngest, probably by a couple of years, and seems to simply go along with the people around her. You can see it sorta with Camilla and Sharon, joining in the gossip and bullying, but it absolutely shines when she met Franky and almost immediately goes along with his inventions. Hot take but I low-lowkey ship the two, I want them to date for a little bit and have it absolutely blow up in their faces.
But by God when she confronts the Lady Patriots. I fell in love. It was a moment when the truest parts of her personality came through and she was angry and hurt, and I want to know more about it. And to see that being contrasted by not only Yor but especially Melinda. I want to see more of it and goddammit I want to see Melinda hang out with all three of them.
And then Camilla. I love her. She is probably the perfect contrast to Yor. She's engaged to Dominic and for all intents and purposes, he is a painfully normal guy. She's bitchy and rude and seems to be the one who lead the initial bullying against Yor (or at least drunk her definitely did). And she's jealous and spiteful. She's someone I would Not Like initially if I met her in real life. But the more we learn about the more I love. Helping out Yor and teaching her to cook, how kind Dominic is in comparison and how the fuck did these two get together. She would be someone I wouldn't like but soon learn to love in real life, in a weird, let's be mean about someone who is actually awful. I want someone to come into Camilla's and Yor's life who they can bitch about together, someone truly reprehensible. Yor's default reaction to problematic people is to murder, whether the person is trying to murder her or if their personalities clash. I think Camilla can help teach her... less overtly violent ways to react to people she doesn't like. Ways to react to let off steam and frustrations without directly hurting someone, and maybe even how to react when that person is actually trying hurt her professionally or emotionally without resorting to violence. I think it would be good for both of them.
So yeah there's the not answer to least favorite characters. I guess I can say who I fund least interesting and that would probably be Yuri's lieutenant, mostly because I can't think of anything fun to do with him rn.
#spy x family#spy x family spoilers#spyxfamilychallenge#yor forger#tagging yor cause shes pretty integral to all this rambling#its funny cause my favorite characteristics are things I dont like irl#I like stories too much and character in general to have a true least favorite#theyd have to be hella boring to get that#and if they are hella boring then I probably dont even think about them
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✍️🙈💞 + 🤪 for minala plsss :)))
✍️: Overall, how does the fandom trait you? Are you a beloved character, or hated? Are you popular, or a minor side character? Anything in between?
So since Minala’s my Rook, she’s the protagonist. I think especially since people largely like Rook, she would be pretty well likes, but idk if you’ve seen it, but some people have also been insisting Rook is actually the worst ever and the real villain instead of that bald man so. It’d really depend lmao
I do think at the very least if she were made a companion instead of the PC, people would like her for her goth autistic vibes tho! She’d probably be slotted into the “brain empty goofy” thing everyone likes to slot Rooks in general into which is 100% inaccurate for her but it is what it is
🤪: What is your trait that fanon would exaggerate?
I do fear her being autistic, wasian, and anxious may get her slotted into the delicate flower uwu baby thing despite her being a grown ass woman lol
💞: Aside from with your f/o, who else would you commonly be shipped with? Why?
I think Davrin mainly just bcs they’re best friends lol. My joking bonus answer would also be Anders bcs that’s my husband, but outside of that, idk. Maybe Myrna and/or Vorgoth bcs of the Mourn Watch associations?
🙈: Why would your ship be thought of as cute/fluffy? Why would your ship be considered problematic?
For the most part, I think people would like it! Especially with the Minala and Bellara relationship, I think that people would really like it bcs of the degree of connection and similarity they have with each other, that’s then balanced out with some opposites attract kind of stuff (ex Minala being raised by humans and Bellara being Dalish, Minala being quiet while Bellara is more outgoing and energetic)
I also know people just from telling me on here would like Emmrich x Minala bcs goth x goth- they’re lowkey Gomez and Morticia Addams coded when it comes to romance. Them coparenting Manfred would be so sweet, and especially since Emmrich’s been wanting to be in love for so long and hasn’t really found that one true love. I think it’s very sweet
Then Minala and Neve. I know I don’t talk about them a ton, and that’s bcs they get together post canon so it’s hard to talk about without spoilers. If you can guess by the fact that Minala romanced Bellara in the game itself, you can probably figure out a major thing that happens with Neve that then effects the relationship. So there’s a bit of angst there but I think that makes them getting together all the sweeter bcs it means they still have this very strong mutual trust. Minala makes it easier for Neve to see the bright side of things, and I think they bring out other sides of each other
However there is the elephant in the room and why I always get a little scared even on here talking about the polyam part of Gothic Sunshine, which is the age gap between Emmrich, Minala, and Bellara. All of them are fully grown adults- Bellara is 32 and Minala is 34- but Emmrich being 56 (unconfirmed but my specific hc based on the range we got) would be what would make people hesitate around it. And I know most people don’t tend to care about Rook x Emmrich, but I think that Bellara in the relationship specifically would be what would make people say it could be problematic. Especially with Bellara calling Emmrich professor at first (which she does bcs she first started talking to him over letters about academic things and she wants to be respectful), I think people would get weird about that
And that leads me into another related thing bcs again. Bellara is a grown, 32 year old woman. She is an expert in her field. She fixed an eluvian in minutes when people have studied how to do that their whole lifetime. Yet both the fandom and to some degree the game tends to infantilize her. You have no idea how much it annoys me that they just kind of treat her like a fan for Neve and Emmrich when she’s an equal to them, and yes I do think this treatment of her is bcs she’s an Asian woman with ADHD. Her relationship with both of them does shift in the game, and Emmrich calls out the imposter syndrome she has that’s part of why she acts that way, but then the game immediately goes to characterizing her in her dynamic with Neve as being sisterly bcs god forbid an Asian woman be treated like an adult and viable romantic interest. Rant over but yeah I do think that would also make people try to say the ship since it includes all three mages is problematic
#asks#cel-dmg#♟️ minala#⚰️#⚰️ enduring affection#🦌#🦌 coffin bells#🐍#🐍 good kind of trouble#can you tell i get really anxious about people thinking i’m a bad person for the polyship lol#gothic sunshine#thank you!
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