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Hazbin Hotel Theory:
Alastor's soul is owned by Lilith to look after Charlie
"I'm hungry to freedom like never before. The constraints of my deal surely have a back door. Once I figure out how to unclip my wings, guess who will be pulling all the strings" - Episode 8
"It has been an age since thou hath graced us with thy presence. Some hath spun wild tales of you falling into...holy arms?" - Zestial, Episode 3
Alastor hasn't been seen in hell for 7 years and Charlie mentions she hasn't spoken to her mother in 7 years either (beginning of episode 1).
"Adam is dead. Your deal is done and I'm in charge now. Your brat is threatening the very foundation of heaven. And if you want to stay here, you're going down there and stopping that bitch. You understand me, Lilith?" - Lute, Episode 8
Alastor immediately having beef with Lucifer stepping in to support Charlie. Lucifer's involvement would also reduce the amount of influence Alastor/Lilith could have on Charlie.
This jab in particular during 'Hell's Greatest Dad' stands out to me because Lilith & Lucifer are separated at this point. Maybe Alastor is dissing Lucifer for not being there for Charlie. All the while, Alastor was involved heavily in the Hotel project, even if that was just by Lilith's demands.
Alastor: Well, it looks as though I need a visit to the tailor. Best of luck chums!"
Vaggie: Wait, you're leaving?! Alastor, we need your help. We need you to do your job.
Angel: We need a wall.
Alastor: Of course. Can't let my new project fall into disrepair already! What would the papers say?
This last piece may be a stretch - Alastor is on his way to the tailor but still pauses to fix the hotel. How obligated is Alator to keep the hotel in top condition? (Episode 2)
"So then why do you want to help me if you don't believe in my cause?" - Charlie, Pilot
With that radio scratch, maybe Charlie struck a nerve by asking. Alastor was pretty clear that redemption wasn't possible - the nonexistent humanity. Is 'personal entertainment' a cover-up for being forced to help the hotel?
Given the hierarchy of Hell in the hellaverse, there aren't many who could put Alastor in a place of vulnerability or provide services that he cannot do for himself (strike a deal, then). Lilith would have the power to keep Alastor in bonds and may have a motive in keeping an anonymous eye on her daughter.
#My husband and I have been discussing this theroy#everyone is owned by someone#always a bigger a fish#idk#what do you think?#hazbin alastor#alastor the radio demon#alastor owned by lilith#hazbin hotel lilith#hazbin hotel screenshots#hazbin hotel#amazon video#zestial#hazbin hotel lute#hazbin hotel vox#hazbin hotel theory#hazbin hotel thoughts#hellaverse#vivziepop
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oooo ooooo OOOOOO!
What if Al was actually the original redeemed sinner and *that's* where he was for those 7 years? What if he actually did die again 7 yrs back but was appalled when he reincarnated in heaven and immediately started a campaign to be sent back? What if he accidentally redeemed himself by murdering all those other Overlords?
We can see just how abusive and sadistic Overlords can be towards the souls they own by looking at Val's character. If you contrast that with what we've seen in Husk/Nifty/Al's interactions, despite owning their souls and being a snarky little shit towards Husk (and scaring him a bit when he brings up Al's deal), Al never once actually hurts them and arguably provides them with a comfortable, relatively safe, and happy life in the hotel. These interactions are in present day, but we have been given no evidence to show that he ever treated them differently. On the contrary, when Al shows back up in the pilot, Husk immediately bitches at him when he is ordered to bartend - back-talking to his soul's owner with no hesitation and no fear. It stands to reason that he's comfortable doing so because Al's treatment of him has been the same since they made their deal.
In the context of hell, Al's rise to power seems to have had an accidental side effect of killing the super bad guys, saving sinners from an eternity of abuse and torture, and providing them with a much better contract. Like, *MUCH* better. No more rape, torture, druggings, mind control, etc... Al's obviously not a saint, but in this context, he may have been pretty close to hell's version of one.
If this is the case, Al obv would have *hated* being in heaven and likely immediately took it upon himself to attempt returning to hell BUT heaven obv wouldn't be cool with just letting him fall because they would *not* want hell finding out that redemption is possible. (Remember, in this scenario Al was redeemed 7 years prior to the show's pilot.) What if THAT's what his deal was? What if the deal was: either heaven just murders him on the spot -or- they allow him to fall back to hell in his original sinner form BUT ONLY if he agrees to have his angelic powers bound and is contractually sworn to silence about anything that happened during those 7 years?
This would work SO well. It would also answer a lot of questions about Al's character and actions. For example:
-Where was Al during those missing 7 years? Heaven. Likely imprisoned. -Who owns his soul? Again, heaven. Likely either Sera or an Archangel like Micheal. (I like the idea that it's Micheal, and that Mikey is Luci's twin, pouring more fuel on the fire on the immediate Al x Luci hate train.) -Why does Al state redemption is impossible as if it's a fact and not just an assumption? His deal forces him to keep redemption a secret so he is literally contract-bound to verbally disregard the idea. -Why does he still help the hotel then? Because he's pissed that heaven roped him into a deal WAY more favorable to them. Even though he can't outright state that redemption is possible, he can push Charlie's project along and hope she is the one who blows up heaven's big secret for him. It's revenge, baby! -Why does Zestial make comments about Al falling into "holy arms" when this is seemingly the first interaction between the two since Al's disappearance? Zestial suspects what happened. Maybe he witnessed Al's double-death 7 yrs ago, maybe he overheard some gossip from exorcists during an extermination, maybe something else. -Why doesn't Al use angelic weapons during his battle with Adam, especially since HE is the one who brought that knowledge to the hotel in the first place? He is overconfident because he too is actually a fallen angel, but he fails because his angelic powers are still bound. It is the pride ring after all. -Why does Al sing about "unclipping his wings" during his panic attack/loss to Adam? It's literal. He's pissed that he's been stripped of a massive boon to his power set and double-pissed that heaven seemingly has "beaten" him again. -Why does Al claim that he will be "pulling all the strings" once his wings have been unclipped? Because he is literally proof-positive redemption is possible and therefore, to his knowledge, would basically be a living weapon against heaven's authority. Remember, at this point no one is aware of Pentious' redemption.
I'm sure there's more! Anywho, my brain ran off on this tangent for some unknown reason. Al's just such a fun character to theorize about. Now, I don't believe this will actually happen in the show (it's probably a simple answer like "Lilith owns his soul, duh"), but we can dream! If any writers out there are looking for fic ideas and find my little rant interesting, PLS take this and run with it! I would LOVE to read something like this <3
#hazbin hotel#hazbin hotel fanfiction#hazbin alastor#alastor's mysterious backstory#why is he so interesting?#radioapple#appleradio#hazbin fanfic#alastor x lucifer#it's a conspiracy my dear!#This could also mean that Al met Lilith in heaven too.#Maybe (seemingly) good-girl Lil helped convince heaven to make a deal#instead of outright killing or indefinitely imprisoning Al#for her own goals of course#maybe the only two sinners in heaven spent time plotting revenge#maybe Lil is the one who brought Charlie's ideals/goals to Al's attention#maaaaaaybe Lil's manipulation also fueled Al's immediate hatred of Luci#maaaaaaybe Michael (Luci's twin) owns Al's soul AND Lil spent years whispering nastiness about Luci into his ears#making the Al x Luci rivalry even MORE spicy#and their eventual team-up against the real baddies even more fun as the truth comes out!
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The following is the full demon form of Adam in the "Hope In Hell" fanfiction : ). This is drawn my SillyMarzipan : D
This form shows up in the story on chapter 25 : ) Thank you SillyMarzipan for drawing Adam full demon form : D, it's so nicely done, ahhh. love the way you used the bandage wraps on his body : 3 and those wings and fire, ahhh! Everything about it :'3. Peeps can follow them through - and if you like it, please also like it and reblog it on X : ) and follow SillyMarzipan <3, they deserve it : D
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Okay, I can't be the only one, who thinks it's kinda ridiculous how people hate Lilith right?
And I think it's even more hypocritical of people to hate Lilith but love Lucifer/Alastor/Adam
Now- I'm not saying you can't dislike a character, no....but we've seen this women ONCE, not counting the story/flashback
And frankly, I don't think she's done anything worthy of, you know, being hated as much as she is
"She took Charlie form lucifer" the fuck she did, im 90% sure that Charlie snuck out of bed and went to find Luci and Lilith(if it was Lilith) jsut went 'no- no. You're supposed to be asleep'
There was no clear context that Charlie was being taken away form Lucifer- not to mention even-
Okay, let's say that they did divorce, which I'm not even sure if they did, and Lilith took Charlie to live with her
She CLEARLY did not keep Charlie AWAY from Luci, we see portraits/pictures of Charlie as a kid young adult, teenager, etc, in her dad's office/home
We even see family portraits with her as a kid and teen/young adult, so the divorce was also probably not until she was already fully grown
Keep in mind, Chalrie is canonically 200 years old, or older, this divorce could've been when she was, like, 180 she probably wasn't a kid when the separated
So even if she was taking Charlie away in that scene, it clearly was not forever and honestly doesn't seem possible with the timeline
"She abandoned charlie" so did....Lucifer??
Like, she mentions him not contacting her for a long time, the one phone call she DOES get from him is about a meeting, not exactly a meaningful conversation
And if he became like this after the 'divorce', then unless lilith divorced him and then left. That probably means Charlie hasn't had a meaningful talk with her dad for longer than 7 years
Or even seen him, I forget if Charlie says that 'this is the first time I'm seeing him in years' or smth
Not to mention Charlie clearly still loves her and views her in a positive light
"Shes in heaven" Okay....we don't know why tho??
I mean, personally, I like to think she's planning war crimes against heaven and is using whatever deal she and Adam had as a cover up
But we don't know the reason, it could be a good one! it could be a shitty one! We don't know!!
We know, like, 4 things about this women and people are already hating her, and I just don't get it
Like why?? What's the reason??
And maybe im overreacting or yall havnt seen the same fans/thing I have
But I've seen people say they hate Lilith but love Lucifer, I've seen people paint her in a bad light to either have a villian/antagonist or to show Adam in a better light, or to victomize/pity Alastor
And I just don't get it, how is she worse then Alastor or Lucifer here?
Which, even if she does own Al's soul, I don't think it'd be a big deal?? Like....Alastor owns souls to, and Lilith isn't abusing her power over him(unlike Al with Husk), I think if she did own his soul, she would've stoped him from suggesting a deal/favor to Charlie
I can't be the only one who thinks like this either right?
i also personally dont want her to be a villian and i also dont want sera to be a villian either; Lute is a good enough villian
Sera ALSO gets hate, which I don't really get. Like this women is trying her best to run heaven by herself and make sure nobody dies under her care
Like this, women clearly has truama/ptsd, just as lucifer does about his falling. And for the exterminations to be fair, if I was told a bunch of rapists and serial killers were coming to my house, I'd grab the gun too!!
Doesn't mean all sinners are like that, I'm sure a lot are in hell for minor crimes, but heaven doesn't know that!
Cut her some slack man, I doubt she's had a nap in 4+ billion years
Also this isn't hate on any of the characters, I absolutely love lucifer, I just think that people needa stop painting lilith and/or sera to be the bad guy
#overall. feel free to dislike her i jsut feel liek the hate/dislike she gets is way to overbearing#We've seen her exactly 3 times not counting the paintings what is with the hate?#if she owns Alastors soul how is that doffrent from him owning Husks and Niftys??#if she abandoned charlie for 7 years how is that different then Luci Abandoning Charlie for 7 years#I just don't get the hate on this women#we dont know her plan or why shes in heaven cut her some fucking slack#and cut Sera some slack to!! DAMN#rant#shower thoughts#i needed to get it all out#supernatural talks#hazbin hotel#hazbin hotel lilith#hazbin hotel sera#hazbin hotel lucifer#hazbin hotel charlie#im sorry this is really long but fuck i needed to eg tit all out there
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i just remembered a while ago seeing fanart of lucifer, lilith and charlie all hugging alastor,, and in my own little delusional reality where no one is evil its canon that the morningstar family just loves alastor
#in a reality where the “lilith owns alastors soul” is not canon !!!!!#im gonna draw the morningstars being soft for alastor soon i think (:
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Alastor: I fear no one.
Charlie: guys guess what! My mom says she’s coming to visit!
Alastor, abruptly fleeing the room: I WAS NEVER HERE!
#do we think it’s Lilith who owns his soul? debate in the tags lol#hazbin hotel#incorrect quotes#incorrect hazbin hotel quotes#alastor the radio demon#charlie morningstar#source: me
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the last song + final minute of hazbin hotel (s1) has me
#hazbin hotel#hazbin hotel spoilers#UHM ERM UHMMM#WHAT THE FUCCCCCKKK#(spoilers in these tags beware spoilers in these tags beware spoilers in these tags beware)#well i say that but in actuality most of these tags are gonna be KAJDSHAHDSKABHDSJKAHSRYARKJUHLDJHJAKS#AEAHGERG???#AKJHEGJHASDH!!!!!!!!!#LILITH#LILITH WHAT THE FUCK??!?!?#ALSO#PENTIOUS 🥹🥹🥹#KSAJHDJAHSD#THE FUCKING FIGHT SCENE BTWN ADAM AND AL WAS THE BEST FIGHT DURING THE WHOLE SEGMENT BUT#LUTE AND VAGGIE WAS FUCKING AWESOME TOO#AND RAZZLE AND DAZZLE GOING CRAZY MADE ME WANT TO YELL#AND PENTIOUS IS IN FUCKIONG HEAVEN OH MY GOD IM JKASBHDJAHSD#AAAND IF LILITH IS CHILLIN IN HEAVEN THAN THAT MEANS SOMEONE ELSE LIKELY HAS ALASTORS SOUL#***SOMEONE ELSE OTHER THAN THE MOST COMMON THEORY OWNS ALASTORS SOUL***#well shit now my bets on eve#also the vee's THE VEE'S god vox was SO fucking funny. live commentating just like me fr.#1. val finally got to sing 2. staticmoths how does it feel to WIN win and 3. its getting set up that the vee's are gonna be a much bigger#threat in season 2 and god i am SO down for that. having them be the antags in hell and lute (maybe even lilith?) being the ones in heaven.#AND GOING BACK AN EP ROSIE 🥺 ROSIEEE 🥺🥺🥺#also me after thinking that these eps were gonna clear up alastors intentions/goals/motivations: 🤡🤡🤡#like in ep 7 and the battle scene he seems?? pretty friggin genuine??? but then his solo part in the final song makes it obvi that he DOES#have other intentions.. but he still comes back to the hotel anyways (and even lets charlie hug him ffs) and (almost. lookin at husk n luci#everyone was happy to see him so??? motherfucker YOU GET MORE CONFUSING BY THE DAY (said with love)#god im really happy with this. i (obviously) have my own gripes but overall i loved it. so much#cant wait for season two (WHICH. YKNOW. CAN MAYBE HAVE MORE THAN EIGHT FUCKING EPISODES TO WORK WITH. SMILE)
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Yearning for season two to give us Canon Lilith Personality™ and open the fic writer floodgates for a wider variety of Hellradio stories.
There's a lot of pure smutfic out there already, and that's all well and good if that's your thing, but the Possibilities of exploring a fucked up polycule between Hell's monarchs and our resident radio demon beyond that, and all the political implications and drama that would entail, intrigue me to no end. I'm honestly so here for it. Need it in all its Messy Glory.
#i suppose it's possible for ppl to take a wholesome route with it in au form#but if alastor's deal really is with lilith like everyone speculates then there's not really any getting around the power imbalance#gotta deal with that head-on#and yeah there's the obvious power imbalance present in radioapple too. but in this case lucifer's not the one literally owning al's soul#but in either case lol exploring that is what makes it interesting#hellradio#royal radio#radioapple#radioqueen#lucilith#i dunno how coherent this is. it's like 1 am and im rambling and sleep deprived#hazbin hotel#hellaverse#alastor#lilith morningstar#lucifer morningstar
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I have a theory about who owns Alastor and it’s actually not about Lilith
Hazbin Hotel episode 5 spoilers and a wacky theory ahead
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Stay with me for a minute. What if it isn’t Lilith who owns Alastor’s soul, but Lucifer?
I was trying to figure out why Alastor had an issue with Lucifer from the jump. I mean before Lucifer even started insulting Alastor he was glaring at him. But if he owns Alastor, then Al would be pretty pissed at him wouldn’t you think?
Also, Lucifer claims to not know who Alastor is (which I don’t buy, he has to knows who the Overlords are especially one as strong as Alastor) but then why does Alastor hate someone who claims to have never met or even heard of him before? He doesn’t even despise Vox this much.
I don’t agree that Lilith got Alastor to hate Lucifer because since when has Alastor invested himself in other people’s drama? And why would he care about the family drama of the person that owns him?
So my theory is that since Lucifer clearly isn’t the best father, and he knows it, so he commanded Alastor to go and keep an eye on his daughter. That’s also why he’d be pissed at the insinuation that Alastor has basically become a replacement dad (and explains how Lucifer knows the way to get under Alastor’s skin is to pretend to not know him and say he’s a nobody).
But how does this explain his 7 year absence.
Well I theorize Alastor was left pretty hurt after his fight with Vox. Valentino says Alastor almost killed Vox which I imagine took a lot of power to do, so Alastor is left in a position where he is not healing quick enough and probably is left nowhere near as strong as he previously was. This leaves him desperate enough to make a deal with Lucifer to heal him in exchange for his soul. And since this isn’t Alastor’s first time making a deal he makes sure to have Lucifer promise no one will ever find out, Lucifer will never speak a word.
And the first thing he has Alastor do is help him find Lilith which would explain his 7 year absence.
Thank you for coming to my Ted Talk.
#but what do i know lol#how it explains how husk knows alastor’s soul is owned#hazbin hotel theory#hazbin hotel spoiler#hazbin hotel spoilers#alastor#lucifer#lilith#hazbin hotel alastor#hazbin hotel lucifer#hazbin hotel lilith#text
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Just now noticing I accidentally deleted that long ass post about the theory of Eve being Alastor's contractor and that she's impersonating Lilith and that's why the Lilith card has no name and no face and the same smile as Eve in the intro, ANYWAY turns out I'm not alone and MANY people think the same so we might be on the right track here fellas.
#hazbin hotel#hazbin hotel spoilers#I just think Lilith being the one owning Alastor's soul is low hanging fruit and the 7 years are trying to trick us into that#anyway i personally believe eve might be trying to get into heaven either to get revenge on god and adam or just to escape hell#and if charlie proves redemption is possible then she gets a shot at making her case#or on the other hand she wants revenge on lucifer by making the angels wage full war to kill everyone in hell including charlie
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In light of recent Hazbin leaks, and to distract people from them, may I offer you the first chapter of a fanfic I wrote for my sister back in March? It's spoiler free and it's basically a crack fic I wrote for fun.
(Is this self promotion? Maybe. Do I care? Not really. Might as well try to get an audience in, other than my sister.) If you like it, there's a little more on Ao3.
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The Morningstar Motel
Chapter 1: Knock Knock
It’s been a few weeks since the Hazbin Hotel reopened, the whole establishment shining bigger and brighter than ever. The only thing that didn’t appear to have changed was the staff. Of course, that was true, for the most part. Husk was still toiling away behind his bar, while listening to Angel Dust complain about the piece of shit that was Valentino, and Niffty was still at war with the pests around the hotel. Not as many as before, but still prezent nonetheless.
And, even though some people were missing from the picture, life, for the most part, was back to normal. That is, if you ignore the fact that the King of Hell has taken permanent residence at his daughter’s hotel.
Lucifer, while not exactly needing to stay there, still concluded that it was for the betterment of everyone if he moved in. It wasn’t at all because he wanted to make sure a certain someone with a red monocle and an attitude stayed as far away from his precious girl as possible. No sir, certainly not the case here.
Either way, it didn’t matter because, at the end of the day, no one cared who was sitting next to them at the bar. Be it a fallen angel or a porn star, the liquor was still the same. And the bartender's not about to judge whatever happened in Lucifer’s head that prompted him to decide that living with the sinners he formerly disliked was for the best. Not his circus, not his monkeys. Especially now.
“…and then she had the audacity to call me, demanding that I give her Charlie’s number, so they could set up another audience. Like that’s gonna happen. Not on my watch!” Lucifer continued ranting about his discussion with the High Seraphim that he had that morning, all while Husk kept pouring him glass after glass of some sugary concoction that only the Morningstars appeared to be able to ingest. Honestly, that thing had to be the reason diabetes was a thing in Hell too.
Angel chimed in, apparently really interested in what the King was saying. “If this goes like last time, we might as well tear down this joint ourselves. Just to cover our bases.”
“That’s not a bad idea.”
“I know, I’m a genius.” Angel took the glass Husk offered him, taking a sip before continuing. “In all seriousness, Your Majesty, is it really that bad they wanna talk? I mean, Heaven never reached out to us before. That has to count for something, right?”
Lucifer sighed. “I suppose so. And, whether I like it or not, this is what Charlie wants. A chance to convince those stuck up holier-than-thou idiots to listen.”
Husk took this moment to join the conversation. “So you’re giving the seraph Princess’ phone number?”
Taking a gulp from his drink, Lucifer turned to the bartender. “Oh, it’s a done deal.” He swirls his drink as he talks. “Although, I did warn Sera that Charlie is busy today, so don’t bother.”
Angel snorts. “Yeah, busy going on dates.” Which was true, Charlie and Vaggie were out for the whole day. The girls were itching to go on a proper date, the first one in months, and their friends and family assured them that the hotel will still be standing by the time they return.
While the two demons and an angel were having their conversation, Alastor watched from the shadows. The Radio Demon was in no way going to interact with that group, it wasn’t in his itinerary for today. And neither was the knocking coming from the front door. Honestly, how was he the only person hearing it? It was quite loud.
Never mind that. He was the host of the hotel, so he might as well do his job and open the door, let the new guests in.
Approaching the entrance, Alastor swung the door open, his perpetual smile accompanying his already rehearsed speech. “Well hello you pitiful sinner! Welcome to the Hazbin Ho–“ The face greeting him on the other side was definitely not someone he wished to see. The word slurred out of his mouth “–Oooo…”, then he abruptly slammed the door in the guest’s face, blocking it with his whole body, to make sure it stays closed. That perpetual smile Alastor was known for dissapeared, it’s place taken by a terrified expression.
That didn’t go unnoticed by the group at the bar. Angel Dust is the first to see Alastor in his sorry state. His eyes widened as he took in the scene. Then he tapped Husk and Lucifer on their shoulders. “Guys, look.”
The King of Hell Is the first to comment on it. “Guess the world is ending again.”
Husk, while more familiar with Alador than most, is taken by surprise by the complete disappearance of the Radio Demon’s iconic grin. “That’s certainly new. What the fuck do you think he saw outside?”
Angel took a second to think of an answer, eyes still on the petrified sinner across the room. “Maybe Hell froze over. That’d be funny.”
Husk snorted, while Lucifer added “If it’s snowing outside, I’m going home to get my sled.”
The porn star speared the fallen angel a perplexed expression. “Why do you have a sled? In Hell?”
“Oh, well, you see, there is this ski resort that Lily and I used to take Charlie to in–“
“–I don’t really care right now. What I do care about is what’s hiding behind door number three.” The demon said, pointing at the Overlord.
Finally deciding that he’d rather deal with all of this at a later date, Alastor disappears in a clump of shadows, leaving the person who has ruined his day be someone else’s problem.
And, oh boy, how Lucifer wished he could do the same. But, unfortunately for him, he now has to deal with the mess left behind by the deer. Some things never change.
Downing the last of his drink, the King approached the entrance of the hotel, bracing himself before opening the door. What greeted him on the other side wasn't a blizzard, or another Exorcist army, but his wife. His estranged wife that he hasn’t seen in literal years.
“Hello, Lucifer. May I come in?”
Yup, definitely wished he could trade places with Alastor right now.
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This first chapter was inspired by a fanart that had no business being as funny as it was. @_deetea_ on Twitter and Instagram
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Unclip my Wings
Why use this phrase when Alastor laments the deal he is stuck in?
tl;dr: skip to midway down to So here is the Proposed Theory. I don't want to ruin the build up and you'll probably figure it out after with all the pictures I chose. It's not Lilith.
But after watching the Pilot episode of Harbin Hotel (of course I watched after I binged the entire season), I had a new appreciation for Alastor and his function at the Hotel.
But the main question we have is WHY? Why is a demon as powerful as Alastor at the Hotel in the first place? Why is he acting as the general manager? And then Husker gives up that little piece of information that Alastor is also bound to someone. Now we're asking WHO?
Who could possibly have enough power to contain a demon as strong as Alastor. Of note is seven year absence which remarkably coinsides with Lilith's disappearance. But that seems a bit too coincidental.
During the meeting with Lucifer, Alastor's constant angry glaring at Lucifer indicates he has certain underlying issues not addressed. Then Lucifer's agressive dismal of Alastor at their first meeting. It brings to mind the quote "[He] protests too much." Then the imagry during the "Dad Beat Dad" song where Lucifer has Alastor's head on a platter, having Alastor in a frying pan, and baked in a pie.
These images are blatant displays of power over the victim. And Lucifer seems to relish these images far too much, to the point displaying out right disturbing glee at having Alastor in the frying pan.
Alastor counters with needling about exactly what bothers Lucifer the most. Charlie.
Gaining Charlie's loyalty appears to be Alastor's primary objective. He hasn't actualy made it a secret that he would love to make a deal for Charlie's soul. In fact the Brady Bunch style picture is all about boxing Charlie in.
Which begs the question of why would Alastor want Charlie's soul? What could he possibly need such a powerful bargaining chip for? Who would do anything to free Charlie from such a deal?
We know Lucifer would.
WIthout knowing Lilith's side of the story, we're at a loss as to her choice. But the fact that she was in Heaven during this entire show thus far, gives an indication that she wants nothing to do with Hell.
So Alastor is searching for a way out of his deal and he has set his sights on Charlie.
In the pilot Alastor is in the news room watching Charlie fail to generate interest in her hotel. He offers his services which Charlie turns down many times. He spends a fair amount of time staring at the portrait of the Morningstar family. He claims to want to help for the entertainment value, which is a much lighter excuse than trying to infiltrate Charlie's trust.
It ends with Charlie agreeing, but without any sort of deal being made.
The phrase "Unclip my Wings" during the final song kept bothering me. It seemed unusual for a demon to reference wings as the majority of characters with wings are Angels. (Husker is something different, more gargoyle) Besides having the excellent rhyming for the phrase "pulling all the strings" it begs the question of what if Alastor actually had wings at some point? Unlikely, but what if he had had a taste of Angelic power and wants it again. If he had Angelic powers no one could stop him from pulling the strings.
Wings are also symbols for freedom. And Alastor clearly wants his freedom more than anything.
Which brings up the point of why did Alastor sell his soul in the first place? What did he possibly want so bad as to give up his freedom?
Before his disappearance Alastor was killing the major Overlords, creating power vaccums he no doubt exploited. Making him one of the most feared demons in all of Hell. How would the King and Queen of Hell react to a mortal soul beginning to rival them in power?
Wouldn't it make sense to attempt to control this Demon so that it does not upset their power?
Neither Lilith nor Lucifer appear very hands on with ruling Hell. In fact, Lucifer doesn't appear in the last battle until Adam expressly threatens Charlie and Charlie is not capable defending herself. Lucifer does apologize for not being there sooner. So why? What was holding him back from fighting alongside his daughter when he cares so much for her? Is there something that literally holds him back from interfering in the Extermination or with the ongoings of Hell in general?
If so, it would make sense to have someone else deal with the out of control demons.
But he does stick around for the rebuilding of the hotel, which Alastor is absent for.
So here is the Proposed Theory
In order to get control of the disruption of Alastor killing off Overlords and to prevent Alastor from becoming so powerful as to kill Lilith or Lucifer, Lilith meets with Adam and gets the Extermination started to limit how much power Alastor can gain from collecting souls.
Meanwhile Lucifer is part of the plan, but isn't particularly thrilled. What he doesn't know is that Lilith made a deal with Adam. Nor that Lilith got to lounge around in Heaven for getting Lucifer to agree to the Extermination.
Lucifer captures the biggest threat he knows, Alastor the Radio Demon. At this point Alastor has killed all the Demon Overlords that threatened his rise to power, so it stands to reason that Lilith might have attempted to stop the rouge demon and perished.
Alastor is now caged by Lucifer and wants his freedom.
Alastor is in a position where he is willing to make a deal with the King of Hell himself.
Lucifer is a creator. We see him build rubber ducks at first then recreating the Hazbin Hotel for Charlie. He does not want any more destruction or carnage. But when Charlie starts the Hazbin Hotel to rehabilitate sinners, Lucifer wants to help, but can't.
What he does have is a powerful demon who would do anything for a taste of freedom.
Lucifer makes a deal for Alastor's soul.
The evidence?
Alastor's absolute hatred for Lucifer
Alastor seeking a deal with Lucifer's daughter
Alastor gleefully gloating over Charlie's trust in him
Lucifer's ability to manipulate Alastor's outfit and postures
Lucifer's glee at presenting Alastor's severed head
Lucifer enacting violence against Alastor
Alastor not seeking retaliation
Alastor's eyes seeking his prey, making sure Lucifer knows
This image where Alastor and Lucifer are nose to nose, glaring with bared teeth is perhaps the only time that Alastor's smile is close to cracking. It is also striking that Alastor's grin is nearly identical to Lucifer's in that it takes up half the face it is so large.
As Alastor said, there is no telling what is behind a smile, particularly when it is designed to confuse your enemies.
Lucifer cannot interfere with the ongoings of Hell. Lilith wants nothing to do with Hell at this point. Charlie is determined to reform sinners and Lucifer wants to protect his daughter.
Lucifer is furious that he has to rely on a demon to help his daughter when that is all he wants to do and constantly shows his superiority over Alastor whenever he gets a chance. But does not tell Charlie any of this because he doesn't want her fury or believing that her father doesn't think she can accomplish it by herself.
Not helping in the Battle against Adam until after Alastor is out of the fight, could easily be Lucifer's way of proving Alastor cannot protect Charlie. Coming in to save the day could be Lucifer proving his worth as a father.
Either way it is far to convenient for Alastor to show up when Charlie is announcing her Hotel. Alastor's soul is owned by someone who would release it should Charlie be the bargaining chip.
Only time will tell what the truth is.
Here's to hoping I don't predict anything, because I want to be surprised. Which is why I watch most things because it is the HOW did it happen rather than WHAT happened that keeps me going.
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Had to fix the drawing up, anyways, this is 3 year old adam on my new hazbin hotel fanfiction, this look will be on the upcoming chapter 2 : ).
Summary:
Adam finds himself back to life, in Heaven, but as a three year old boy.
How will Sera and the others in Heaven handle the first man who's finally given a chance to be an actual child?
Will he finally have a loving family? Or was he now in a greater danger than ever before?
#adam#adam hazbin hotel#hazbin hotel adam#hazbin hotel#my art#hazbin hotel fandom#hazbin hotel art#art#charlie#charlie hazbin hotel#emily#emily hazbin hotel#sera#sera hazbin hotel#hazbin hotel fanart#hazbin hotel fanfiction#archive of our own#lucifer#lilith#lute#angel dust#alastor#husker#vaggie#lilith hazbin hotel#fanficiton#niffty#husk
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Theres not enough art of her bullying him that isn't shippy so I'm fixing that. :>
Look at her bullying him, such good friends. <3
NOT A SHIP!!
#hazbin hotel#alastor#hazbin hotel alastor#hazbin hotel fanart#fanart#my art#hazbin hotel lilith#lilith#my hazbin hotel art#I'm really happy with how this turned out#I want her to bully him#even if just a little#He deserves it#not for being him but because hes my favorite#Silly Alastor#suffer deer boi#not a ship#do not tag as ship#Lilith owns Alastor's soul#you can't change my mind#unless it turns out to be false#then that'll change my mind#but I'll probably still doodle this anyway#sadistic!lilith#hazbin au
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I love that when Alastor actually *chooses* a rival, rather than others deciding they're rivals for him, he chooses *Lucifer.*
That says everything about both his ambition and his ego.
#Of course alastor would choose the baddest bitch on the board#And he simultaneously is and is not misjudging his own strength and cleverness.#A) how many other sinners could actually stand up to Adam as well as he did. He still lost but he held his ground.#(He's stronger than most but not as strong as his ego says he is)#B) Power is more than raw strength. He'd been wanting a deal with Charlie from the start because she's Lucifer and Lilith's weakness#If he holds Charlie#He holds them both#He's a very good character tbh#Hazbin Hotel#Alastor
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what do you think of that theory that Alastor is also an infesting/infestor demon? people say that after the new ep, Alastor and envy demon Ronaldo have some characteristics in common. like, feeds off misery, disappears in a oozing shadow, green power association and stuff. and somehow this seems connected to the theory that the Von eldritch family somehow own alastor's soul. because theyre also envy demons, and, more precisely, actually friends of the morningstar family (lucifer
Oooh - this is actually the first I've heard of this theory, but I can definitely see where people are making the connections. I don't think Alastor is an infestor demon himself because while he is emotionally manipulative, sadistic, and quite canny at reading people, it seems that is more his delightfully horrid personality rather than any preternatural advantage. Also, his actual approach to eliminating his targets is, uh, brutal and overwhelming violence, not luring people into traps and supernaturally feeding off of their misery. I think there's probably a lot of sadism and shadowy-ness going around hell in general. He also doesn't have any fishy themeing whatsoever!
But I think it would be really neat if he did have connections to the Von Eldritch family. He does have a pretty pronounced negative reaction the moment he realizes Lucifer is coming to the hotel, prior to ever meeting him, even though Lucifer himself isn't familiar with who Alastor is. Alastor's opinion could be based on reputation, but it would be fun if the real reason for his reaction was that the Von Eldritches were the ones who got their claws into his soul! And it would certainly entangle him in the Morningstar family business. Perhaps in a deeply nefarious way...
But it would also be fuckoff hilarious if it was literally just because they were trying to set their kid up with his ex-girlfriend.
#ask#personal#Anonymous#I remember when the “Lilith owns Alastor's soul” theories were first becoming popular#something about them just didn't sit.......correctly? with me#like I was “these are great for fic but it just doesn't seem like it's where canon is going”#I may be horrible wrong about that#but this would be a nice alternative#even if it's not canon it has SO much fanfic potential#I hope people write about this#or that the plot idea gods swing their holy baseball bat into the back of my skull once more for something to write after Once Bitten#hazbin hotel#alastor#(also that last line in the body of the post is a joke I don't think that's it)#(but it'd be so stupid in a funny way)#(it'd be very fun if it was complex hell politics tho)
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