#aegony

[saltywinteradult]

jon*rys shippers be like ”you hate jon*rys for being incest but then you ship jonsa!!! hypocrite!!!” actually i hate jon*rys because dany is abusive to jon and a tyrant in the making. hope that helps

[aryas]

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Dany is thinking about who betrayed her when she hears the wolf howling- as if in answer.

Also the moon and the wolf lmao? Jon's wolf runs away from the moon three times in his dream. To where? In the cave where the sun is hidden.

The air is cold to him (cold which smells like death) when Val's hair is silver (again under moon). And she belongs with his wolf when her hair is dark honey and her eyes are blue. Again there is the sun-like element here in her looks. (red=sun and blue=morning sky). When people realize that the moon may want Jon, but he himself/his wolf desires the sun, things will become easier for them

No but you don't understand!!!! She felt sad and lonely after Jon's death and that's romantic. Nevermind that it doesn't change her hunger nor that it results in a restless sleep. Reminds me of her feeling sad about the slaves in AGoT but going "welp. can't be helped. It's the price of the Iron Throne." Rest in peace, Daenerys. But probably not. I'm partial to the theory that she gets eaten by her dragon after she's stabbed. The red door= a dragon's mouth.

About the moon, I guess they missed the part where the wolf was running from it. They see moon and later the moon kissed jon snow so bam! True love! Val belonged with Ghost and Val has silver hair! Bam! True love! Pls go back to the passage and review what was it that "Jon Snow had seen a sight so lovely". This takes me back to the last season leaks where Ghost supposedly will come up to Dany's stomach and that's how it will be revealed she's pregnant. I was in the J stabs D camp years before so I was like no way they will have J kill a pregnant D so I just ignored those leaks. Ghost like Dany? Will she call to him and make the word a song like Mel? The only singing this girl does is when she's burning people and singing/yelling Dracarys.

Literally laughing about the cold air. Where is the sweetness? Oh wait. Only she can taste it. Also silver hair Val's cheeks were white unlike the one with Ghost where it was flushed- meaning there's a touch of red. Let's look at the chapters too. Silver Val was at Jon VIII while dark honey Val was at Jon XI. So tell me why would Jon say "it had been a long while" if it's only been a few chapters and in the same book? Seems to me silver haired Val wasn't such a lovely sight.

[worthyheir]

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[sunfyredarchive]

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[dinastiatargaryen]

[sherlokiness]

let's say jonsa was really GRRM's ace,then what's up with jonerys in the show? Most people consider them the endgame romance with the bittersweet end which for the life of me cannot see where was the sweetness unless it was that boatsex.

How can jon dany ship exists with jonsa? How do you think it will go down in the books if jonerys was inevitable?

Hi, anon! Thanks for the ask.

Ref: This post.

Aegony is compatible with jonsa bc there is politicalJon. We just have to tweak some things but what we can be sure about 100% in the books is that Jon will betray Dany.

Why will jd break up in the books? Well, for sure it's not bc Jon is repulsed by incest with his aunt. There is no reason in Planetos for Jon to break up with Dany if he loved her bc of "incest" bc it's not really incest. See:Jonnel/Sansa. Aegony is not a forbidden romance!!!! They weren't raised together as a brother/sister for Jon to possibly get an ick.

Why not a love triangle? Jon is ice and fire so his lady loves are also ice and fire. Also if we count J and S, R and L, who have had secret weddings, there was always a scorned woman in the equation. Baela, Elia, and then Dany. The pattern will hold true for Jon and Sansa as well. JD never got married in the show bc there will be no reason for it to happen in the books. When will hell break loose? The rlj reveal. Dany who claims to be the righful heir of the 7k will never let Rhaegar's trueborn son go. She would want to marry him if silencing him doesn't work but Jon would refuse bc he secretly loves another.

She lights KL on fire. Jon kills her. It's good that Dany burns KL imo bc then Jon would have the moral high ground in getting rid of a tyrant. He gets "rewarded" by King Bran for his deed with Sansa's hand in marriage. Alas, it turns out that tyrant coincidentally was in the way of true love. I'm *sure* Jon will betray his auntie/lover bc of her threat to Sansa. Dany's last treason is FOR LOVE. If it's really for love of family like in the show, wouldn't the last treason be more accurate as FOR BLOOD? Jon's cousins are of his blood.

Jon will be a hero(righteous cause) and also get the girl. He gets to have his cake and eat it too. A bittersweet cake where the bitter part comes from Dany and the sweet part, well... In conclusion, Jon will have a justification for betraying D but his motivation would be questioned by the readers bc of the prophecy.

[naetaesarya]

POL JON RIDDLES

HELP ME OUT GUYS

Riddle #1: IT'S GREED AND TYRANNY WHEN DANY WANTS TO TAKE BACK HER FAMILY'S DYNASTY but it's righteous and right and empowering when the Starks (Sansa) want to take back the North. THE TARGARYENS ARE THE REAL COLONIZERS NO DOUBLE STANDARDS HERE WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT.

Riddle #2: Dany's love is cheap compared to her greed for the Iron Throne!!!11

...So why does Jon need to sexually use, abuse, manipulate, and fake his love for the power crazed Dany ala Pol!Jon to steal her armies and dragons if her worthless love is so cheap then...? It's not like sex is going to help out Jon's lacking martial forces much or add sense to the non-sensical Pol!Jon. Or what, does that not fulfill the Jonsa teen scene dreams of sweet sweet betrayal for thy true love Sansa?

Riddle #3:

"It's preposterous to think Jon, who has always tried to do the right thing, would betray(or even kill) his aunt just for shits and giggles."

So what is Jon, Jonsas? An uber asshole who is Sansa's personal garbage disposal? And will callously abuse, use, and manipulate a rape victim? Or does he have a conscience? Because yeah, I think the the two are mutually exclusive here. How does a decent person with a conscience (who Jon is supposed to be) do this to... anyone? Why would Jon do this to Dany? What has Dany done to warrant this? Conquer? Robb Stark, Jon's brother and best friend. Stannis Baratheon, the claimant Jon supported in ADWD. The Young Dragon, Jon's idol. How dare Dany want to take back her family's dynasty! Just like the Starks!! All the Northern houses love the Starks and want them back! (Except the ones who don't) The Skagosi too!! (Except they keep rebelling when the Starks try to force them to submit...) But seriously, since when does Jon hate Targaryen conquests? Or... Targaryens?

But I digress, let's look at Pol!Jon. In contrast, Pol!Jon hates the young conquerer Dany! How dare Dany conquest!! Pol!Jon doesn't idolize the Dorne-invading dragon-riding Young Dragon!! Eww!!! But here's the thing: nothing about Pol!Jon makes Jon the hero as this particular Jonsa likes to argue. Everything makes him the asshole -- from every angle. Jon can't be a hero performing 100% villainous, unnecessary, and stupid stupid actions all so he can dispose of one girl (Dany) so he can go ahead and marry another girl (Sansa) who looked down on him in childhood for wholly classist reasons. (No no, no misogyny here!) Everything Jon does in this scenario justifies Dany (or Dany's supporters) going to war against him -- and the North -- because it's treason. How can Jon realistically get away with that. How would GRRM let Jon realistically get away with that. For Jonsa?

It doesn't matter how much of an asshole you are dying for Dany to be, it won't make Pol!Jon any less of an asshole in his characterization or actions toward Dany.

And if Pol!Jon hates Dany so much that he's willing to abuse, use, and callously exploit a rape victim when her love for him is apparently so "cheap" (because apparently, these are your versions of them), it seems like he is doing extreme stuff for shits and giggles -- and to make the situation far far worse (handing Dany a reason to go to war against the North, intentions to start another civil war despite multiple wars going on and the North's lacking resources, making an enemy of a powerful queen and during a time of probable desperation...).

I'd call that psychotic.

(On another note, I'm a Jon stan but... uh, there are times in ASOIAF when Jon does not do quite the right thing...)

I* know Aegony has been theorized as endgame ship for a reason but imo those are the same people who have grossly mischaracterized something about Dany and Jon.*

The irony.

They are the same ones who have denied Dark Dany and insist how her greed for the IT was actually just her doing her duty as the last Targ and that Sansa was the power hungry one actually.

Hilariously, this happened in the same show Jonsa never became close to canon (not matter what Jonsa conspiracy theories say), the same show in which Sansa kept risking the life of her "beloved" brother Jon and betrayed him multiple times (funny, Dany never did that...), and the same show of which GRRM has repeatedly said his ending would be different.

Oops :)

And Jonsas wonder why the fandom has a problem with them.

[sunfyredarchive]

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[dinastiatargaryen]

"Um rei nunca deve se sentar à vontade, dissera Aegon, o Conquistador, quando ordenara aos armeiros que forjassem um grande trono a partir das espadas depostas pelos seus inimigos." - A Guerra dos Tronos // Eddard

"Irri buscou sua coroa, feita na forma do dragão de três cabeças de sua Casa. As caudas eram feitas de ouro, as asas de prata e as três cabeças de marfim, ônix e jade. Os ombros e pescoço de Dany estariam duros e doloridos pelo peso antes que o dia terminasse. Uma coroa não deve assentar fácil na cabeça. Um de seus antepassados reais havia dito isso certa vez." - A Dança dos Dragões // Daenerys I

Ilustração Aegon: Jota Saraiva

Ilustração Daenerys: Aleksander Karcz

[starsandstars]

Aegon? More like aegony, fuck

[acewithapencil]

“‘Are you skilled in the use of those handsome blades?’ Dany asked him.

‘Prendahl and Sallor would tell you so, if dead men could talk. I count no day as lived unless I have loved a woman, slain a foeman, and eaten a fine meal . . . and the days that I have lived are as numberless as the stars in the sky. I make of slaughter a thing of beauty, and many a tumbler and fire dancer has wept to the gods that they might be half so quick, a quarter so graceful. I would tell you the names of all the men I have slain, but before I could finish your dragons would grow large as castles, the walls of Yunkai would crumble into yellow dust, and winter would come and go and come again.’

Dany laughed. She liked the swagger she saw in this Daario Naharis.” -Daenerys IV, ASOS

Dany and Daario for @aegony-targaryen! I got really into this one, since Dany and Daario have such great designs ❤️

[sherlokiness]

Jonsa was so hated that every leak was deemed credible/plausible only if they were made by a non-Jonsa. Every theory by a Jonsa was automatically disqualified.

Villain Dany? That's only your theory bc you're a Jonsa. Jon betrays Dany? Again. That's cause you're a Jonsa. Jon choose Sansa over Dany? Jonsa. Queen Sansa? Jonsa.

It's so ridiculous that like those plot points were theorized by Jonsas yet the ship we were so sure about didn't happen. Curios though why our endgame ship is almost perfectly compatible with such endings. Like can you blame us? 🤡🤡🤡

How does the fact that Jonsa is widely considered a crackship and vehemently disliked by the majority of fandom (including fellow Sansa fans) affect Jonsa shippers? It’s a genuine question. Because I think Jonsas make a few points but when fandom is so overwhelmingly united either in favor of or against something, I do believe there’s reason for that

I wasn't around back when the Huge Backlash against jonsa shippers became a thing, so I can't speak authentically about the experience.

It's mostly the abject absurdity of how vehemently dismissive and insulting "enemies" of the theory of jonsa (not merely the ship) treated jonsas, though, that I see remembered and reflected in this corner of the fandom.

Simple disagreement isn't the issue. The abject hate is. Though the refusal to even consider a number of the theories on their actual merit within the fandom is pretty ridiculous. The hints jonsas consider credible follow the same pattern of foreshadowing as, say, RLJ, but somehow very few people doubt that theory. Or get rape threats over it. So the effect is mostly that there's less interactions with hostile factions of the fandom?

Which is sad for them because jonsas have a lot to offer.

In spite of how united the fandom is in dismissing Jonsa theories, they were mostly proven right by the show. Villain Dany? Sansa as an important character in a final leadership position? Girl in Grey? Sansa being instrumental in regaining Winterfell? Sansa and Jon forming a close bond? Sansa reconciling with Arya and forming a strong team? Northern independence?

It's disingenuious to claim Jonsas have no business making predictions because they must be wrong, because they are supposedly incapable of correctly interpreting the hints in the text or in the show. They were not. They were usually right. That's what convinced me of the theory. The evidence.

They weren't even wrong about Jonsa being an option in the show, considering the numerous intentional visual parallels created between Jon and Sansa and canon romantic couples (as opposed to the parallels created between Dany and canon villains), and the weird chemistry between "brother and sister" noted by a number of reviewers. The show ended up going in a different direction in a very erratically constructed final season that most would agree didn't bear the hallmarks of consistent storytelling. So the one thing jonsas got wrong was jonsa itself. In the show, anyway. ("Show, derogatory.")

Still a good average, no?

So maybe the idea that the fandom being united against the theory of jonsa does have a reason. Maybe it's that they hate that it contradicts many other theories that have been popular for a very long time. And that have been proven wrong.

I have nothing against people who don't ship jonsa. I have nothing against people who have given the theory thought but have plausible reasons to disregard it. I have nothing against people who don't care about it at all. But I do absolutely laugh at people who call it a crackship and then support theories with far far far less collective evidence behind it.

[sailorshadzter]

https://www.tumblr.com/jonnelsansa/722513942441754624/imagine-if-instead-of-aegonys-pathetic-sex-scene?source=share here is my prompt <3

i realize only now that ive kind of fucked up the timelines???

so uh.... lets pretend i didnt lol

also its softer than you might have intended it to be. but i enjoyed this prompt a lot!!! so thank you!!! <3

send me prompts

He’s falling, faster and faster, into a dream of the past. 

Memories all around him, ones that do not belong to him, but ones which paint a picture for him that he should have seen coming all along. 

In another room, she stands just before him, just out of reach, yet somehow just within. “Sansa…” Her name on his lips, it sends chills down her spine. He wonders just how many times they would be in this same place before it became something it always should have been, something they both wanted, but something they could never have. He’s been away all these long weeks and he’s thought of little else beyond her- every waking thought, every dream, always full of her. She smiles, head tilting, red hair a waterfall across a shoulder; she’s beyond perfect, beyond anything he’s ever wanted, ever deserved. 

“... one flesh, one heart, one soul, now and forever…” There are no cheers as the silver-haired groom leans in to tenderly kiss the woman he stands before, a woman who he recognizes even though they’ve never before met. He sees in her the sisters he loves- Arya, in color and spirit, Sansa in grace and build. It’s his aunt Lyanna, the beloved sister of his father, the one who died far too young. She’s smiling as she draws back, the man’s hands cupping her cheeks as they stare into one another’s eyes, as if there wasn’t another soul around them.

If the silvery hair wasn’t enough of a giveaway, it’s the colors of his clothing that tell him all he needs to know. This man was Rhaegar Targaryen and this was not a kidnapping, but rather, a marriage of love. True love. 

Every moment without him… It’s been a long and lonely road, his absence forever in the back of her mind. Everything was a reminder of him- the desk where he’d sit on the edge, leaning in to talk with her. The soft furs of his bed, somehow far more comforting than hers ever could be. The warmth of his touch when she’s had another nightmare… She takes a single step closer to where he stands, the gap between them all but a hairsbreadth. “Jon…” His name is soft upon her lips, the sweetest sound he’s ever heard. They’ve been here before, of course, time and time again. She can’t help but to wonder which time will be the last. 

He’s the first one to reach out, all so his fingertips can trace the soft curve of her cheek, ivory skin warm beneath his touch. All he wants is to take this a step further, to take her into his arms and hold her- not as a bastard brother might hold his sister, but as a man holds the woman he loves. Jon knows it’s wrong, was he no better than Lannister scum? But… He cannot help it, cannot stop it. The feelings course through him each and every day, the warmth of her presence, it all brings him a sense of peace he can never put to words. A sense of peace he never wants to lose, never wants to let go of, no matter what the world around them might say. 

This was where she’s longed to be all this time, all these weeks without him. Now that he’s returned, she’s not certain she can ever let him go again. “Don’t go…” She whispers and he lets out the breath he didn’t realize he’s even been holding in. That’s when he opens his arms and she sinks into his touch, knowing there was nowhere else she wanted to stay.

The dream changes again and he knows he stands in Dorne. 

There is his father, younger than Robb or Jon, rushing up the stairs of the stone tower, following after the screams from within. When he follows after, he comes into a blood soaked room, the only inhabitants his father, a maid, and a woman he once again recognizes as the aunt lost to death. “Ned… Is that you…?” Her weakened voice breaks the silence as Ned Stark sinks to the floor beside her bed, uncaring of the blood that stains his knees and hands. “It’s not a dream?” Lyanna asks tearfully, her quivering lips curving with a smile at the sight of her big brother. 

“It’s not a dream, I’m here,” his father’s voice is not as he will come to know, but young, full of worry. 

Their exchange is heartfelt and sorrowful, their pain palpable. Bran watches from where he stands as the single maid brings the baby close, offering him to Ned without a single word. Somehow, someway, Bran knows what’s happening before Lyanna speaks again. “His name… Is Aegon Targaryen.” She cries softly, looking into the face of the son she will never get to know. “Protect him Ned, please… Robert will kill him if he finds out…” She whispers, weakening, tears wetting her cheeks. “Promise me, Ned…” It’s all she can say now, over and over again as she sinks further and further into darkness. “Promise me…” 

Ned nods, a single tear escaping; it would be his greatest promise of them all. 

He knows they cannot do this.

“Sansa… I…” He murmurs into her hair, breathing in her ever familiar scent, finding comfort in it, even now. Somehow, she knows, she understands, as she always does, for she’s the one who pulls away, knowing perhaps as well as he did what would certainly follow if she didn’t. It was all he wanted, but he knows that it can never be, will never be. Only in the sweetest dream could she be his as he wished. 

“The first meeting is early tomorrow,” she reminds him softly and he blinks, but smiles, a chuckle escaping as he gives a single nod. Tomorrow, everything they’ve worked for, everything that Jon has fought for, would finally begin to pan out. The alliance he’s sought, the fruit of his labor, will all come to a head tomorrow with the first meeting between Winterfell and the dragon queen. “You should sleep,” she goes on, thinking of the many sleepless nights he’s surely endured over these last few weeks, for had she not experienced them herself?

Jon nods, but even when he turns to go, he hesitates. 

Somehow, despite it all, he cannot bring himself to go. “Good night,” she whispers, stronger than he ever could be, and he knows… He has to go. And so he leans in, tenderly brushing a kiss against the top of her head, wishing with all of his heart that it might be her lips. And then… He’s gone, leaving her to sink into the nearest chair, her sorrow falling from her eyes faster than she can wipe them away.

Outside her door, Jon curses, wishing it didn’t have to be this way.

[eliamartel]

Suffering from the aegonies

[kadarakey]

That’s the thing, Jon and Sansa’s relationship already has a foundation (shared memories, love, trust, common desire to keep Winterfell safe, they even unknowingly agree on a name theme for their future children). We know they are each other’s type looks-wise. And that’s without Jon’s possible pre-GOT crush on Sansa. When they meet in TWOW, the chemistry will be new but believable.

In contrast, Jon and auntie have one book, at best, to meet, form any sort of believable connection and get accustomed to each other’s cultures and world views (which are… different). “I cannot stand seeing people burnt alive.” “Too bad, it’s one of my hobbies.”

Jon and auntie are doomed by Jon’s parentage reveal, Jon and Sansa are blessed by it ✨

Do you think Jon will love Sansa or D in the books?

I think Jon already loves Sansa as part of his family, even if they weren't as close as he was with the other Starklings. I think they will be the first Starklings to meet again, and that fact will be important to deepen the bond between them that already exists and even evolve into something different, like romantic love.

About his aunt, unlike a big part of the fandom, I never saw the "hints" and "parallels" (more like antiparallels) and "foreshadowing" of their romance in the books. That blue flower in D's visions is more about Jon and his true parentage (and even any daughter of Winterfell), than true everlasting love between Jon and aunty. I don't even know if they will meet in TWOW. According to the author, D and Tyrion will meet in the last part of TWOW and they both are in Essos. So I suppose Jon will meet his aunt in ADOS and I don't know if there's enough time to develop deep feelings between them, no matter the nature of those feelings.

The show did two things that aren't good for their predicted "true love/romance/affair:" 1) enemies to lovers trope, that the author doesn't like very much; and, 2) a repetition of Jon's involvement with Ygritte, that we already know that it did not end very well after the 8 chapters they shared . . . .

It is possible that D will be attracted to Jon, before or after his true parentage revelation, because, after all, Targs usually marry each other, but the fact that Jon's claim to the IT could be stronger than hers can make them enemies more than lovers.

Kit Harington was asked if he believes Jon will be able to love again after D and he said: "I hope so," and he is the one that is pushing for a sequel about Jon Snow; so, I doubt that D will be his one true love or something like the shippers believe.

Thanks for your message :)

[sherlokiness]

I'm sorry if this sound dumb but I don't get how Jon/Dany aren't considered incest when compared to jonsa? I'm confused.

Hi, nonny. Thanks for the ask.

Reference: This post.

What I mean is in the world of Westeros, Jon/Dany aren't considered incest.

1) Aunt/Nephew isn't incestous like brother/sister is and had precedent in the Stark side too. It's rare but not considered a taboo.

2) There is no emotional incest Jon could feel for Dany because they didn't grow up together. They will meet as strangers and even if Jon knew Dany was his aunt, Jon won't consider it incestous bc of reason 1.

3) Nobody in Planetos would calculate their exact blood purity and say they can't be together bc of such purity thus call their relationship incestous.

Only us modern readers would label JD as incest and rightly so.

As for jonsa, cousin marriage is technically not incest but there might be emotional incest. They grew up as brother/sister in WF. But imo, this is kinda weak. Both Jon and Sansa have always treated the other not as a "true" sibling. They love each other as part of the pack, part of the family, you know...like a cousin.🤷‍♀️🤷‍♀️🤷‍♀️ It's just that it's controversial when I say Jon and Sansa have always loved each other as close cousins.There's Jon "was she ever my sister" Snow and Sansa "he's my half-brother" Stark. Jumping the incest hurdle won't be terribly hard for them.

Let's put on our tinfoil. Why did D&D never had JD marry even though they could have had? Bc somehow they know JD never will in the books. Dany will never be Jon's bride. They'll never marry for love. D&D had Jon pull the incest card to avoid marrying Dany. But as I've stated before, this will never happen in the books bc of the above reasons. Jon getting the incest ick is a shoe horned reason. How can he get the ick when the most popular theory is of him marrying his aunt for love? No matter how you slice it, the math is not mathing.

D&D PULLED THE WRONG INCEST CARD! Jon will refuse to marry Dany because he loves his sister. I firmly believe D&D never had all the cards and Jonsa is GRRM's last and that's why some things didn't make sense.