#acotar nonsense

[roselensedeyes]

the argument that if the cauldron made a mistake in pairing elain and lucien then that means ALL the other mating bonds are also to be questioned is fallible, ludicrous and senseless.

we ALREADY know that there have been poorly-chosen mating bonds. rhys' parents and tamlin's are examples of it, clearly stated by both in the books, yet no one is questioning feysand and/or nessian's mating bond.

why, then, does it suddenly become an issue when it comes to elain and lucien? why is it if they reject the bond or it comes out the cauldron did, indeed, make a mistake, then that means feysand and nessian's are also wrong?

it is a completely irrational, illogical, senseless argument that i refuse to believe people are making it in good faith

[shesalittlelost]

Can nesta stans ever stop being embarrassing omg. It's like they read the books, recognize Nesta's flaws in canon and then turn it around to project all of it on Feyre. Idk if that's intentional but it certainly looks like it and it reeks of insecurity lmfao.

Like... imagine saying Feyre won't be able to love her child or be a good mother because of how “she treated Nesta” with your whole chest 😭. As if this exact argument doesn't fit Nesta more than anyone considering the fact Nesta being so self centered that she can never coexist with anyone who doesn't suck up to her and always ends up making her sister's trauma, her father's assault and her other sister and her unborn child's imminent death all about herself, is actually canon. But we're not doing that coz we don't suffer from a bitter hate obsession unlike Feyre antis lol.

Also, I thought sisters weren't supposed to be mothers and caretakers for their siblings and expecting them to do that and judging their character through that lens was sexism, misogyny and upholding patriarchy. What happened to all that hmm? I guess that's just another of their cheap talking points that they use only when it suits them.

So glad that @stargirlfeyre pointed out the dissonance in their logic. These people can never actually stick to what they say can they?

I know SJM will portray Feyre to be the pinnacle of the perfect mother, but I can't imagine that she actually would be. Between her abusive relationship and power dynamic with Rhysand, personal mommy issues, her relationship with her sisters, the reason she had Nyx in the first place, and the fucking death pact, I can only picture her as loving on the surface but ultimately neglectful, treating Nyx's issue the same way she treats Nesta's.

This isn't anti-feyre, but that I think a. she's too young (and didn't event truly want kids yet), and b. isn't yet in a good position to be a mother.

Anyway Astraea's adopting Nyx and they're gonna bake cookies with Nesta, and she's gonna help him be a good High Lord and prepare the Night Court for his rule. And he will have morals and not abuse women or his power👍

I think that will both help Astraea make amends with her own childhood by giving Nyx the one he deserves as well as making her peace with her familial ties.

Nyx will be the good high lord that Rhysand stans delude themselves into thinking Rhys is.

[lainalit]

Rhysand Stans: Rhysand doesn't need to inform feyre about her own body because abortion isn't available in prythian

[yaralulu]

Tamlin being really into bugs is very real to me.Like not only is he well versed in plants and flowers but he also knows the name of every bug known to man and whenever he finds something especially cool looking the first person he’s immediately showing is lucien.Lucien’s usual reaction is “???? please get that thing away from me” but who can really say no to those dazzling big green eyes 🤷.

Tamlin particularly loves presenting lucien with the weirdest looking bugs ever and telling him “this one looks like you 😄”.

[gwandas]

Underrated hilarious aspect of Rhysand’s “mask” being that no other High Lord needs to do all that.

He’s acting like he has to act like a villain and mistreat 2/3 of his court to rule it when that doesn’t seem to be true anywhere else? Why are we acting like Velaris is so great when I’d honestly rather be one of Thesan or Helion’s subjects.

The only High Lord who might be worse than him is Beron who is actually evil. Which says… something about Rhys I fear.

[gravitysthrall]

hahaha, I could so easily picture it. Rhys and Mor having a podcast together called 'Just Cuz' where they spill the tea on all the High Lords across Pyrthian and beyond, reading blind items, and stirring up a little cauldron of chaos along the way. Cassian has never missed an episode and sometimes joins them as a special guest. (Cassian wanted to be a co-host until Nesta pointed out that it would ruin his reputation as the fearsome Lord or Bloodshed and General of the Illyrian Armies. He reluctantly agreed. Rhys and Mor thanked her. Nesta's not quite sure if she made the right call helping them and taking Cassian's joy away, but it did make Feyre very happy.) Cassian hasn't entirely given up on his dream of hosting a podcast, in secret he records a weekly show called 'Just Cas'. The House of Wind is his only listener.

[nestastits]

A mating bond will do it for me everytime

[huntquinlan]

in case you’re late to luciengate and are wondering what tf is going on

[animezinglife]

I don’t want a career. I want Lucien.

[bloomingdarkgarden]

Happy Autumn here is every male from ACOTAR in a turtleneck.

Rhysand | Cassian

Azriel

Lucien Vanserra

Eris Vanserra | Papa Archeron

Tarquin | Kallias lolol

Helion | Thesan

Jurian (drama king) | Varian

Beron + Eris Vanserra | Tamlin

Keir lol

King of Hybern | The Bone Carver

my fae clothing fetishes have no bounds btw

thank u that is all

[roselensedeyes]

it's so cute reading gwynriel theories and they're all "azriel is gonna help with the prison, with the illyrians, with the dread troves, with koschei" and then "gwyn will help someway somehow because her name is GWYn and the sword is called GWYdion"

[emmitaaa4]

Addressing some fandom BS inconsistencies

Gwyn was shadow mommy, Az was shadow daddy, they were gonna have shadow babies with her extra super pliable bones.

I audibly chocked when I read this @nikethestatue (btw everything said in this post was on point). No but seriously this is how they sound, too many of them insisting that there is nothing wrong with basing the likelihood of a ship on who has the more suitable uterus to be with a man... cause supposedly they're just picking up on the hints SJM wrote for them? She likes babies for HEAs so ofc children are the end all be all of a relationship, plus there's absolutely no way that she could ever write an adoption plot SJM is literally adopted and has done it in other series. Selective reading strikes again.

A minimum amount of critical thinking would tell you that 1) the infamous *magical uterus change* scene was about nessian (& feysand), not about any ship; 2) if SJM had written Nesta changing Elain's uterus, it would have given too much away, not to mention 3) how disturbing/violating it would have been for Nesta to change her sister's reproductive anatomy WITHOUT HER CONSENT?! None of it makes sense narratively; my girl Nes would never, especially given the trauma they both suffered from having their bodily autonomy--and so much more--ripped away by the Cauldron.

This argument is so trivialized that I see it every other day on reddit/tiktok/*insert media app*, and yet elriels are the toxic side of the fandom? The ones whom people are allowed to insult, to ridicule for theories all made in good fun, the women that are villainized over a difference of opinion? Don't get me wrong, there's assholes on both sides and people keep calling one another variations of delulu (and the nastier personal attacks). But by painting this fandom-wide villain there is such a lack of accountability for the plethora of harmful talking points spread by other portions of the fandom. (I've been silently reading the anti-elain & anti-elriel tags for like a year, and I'm on tiktok. Yes, I have self-destructive tendencies).

Anyways.

I never understood either how people ever actually thought (or well still think) that gwynriel would happen BEFORE elucien?? It makes no sense logically, narratively, or in terms of characterization & the arc she's set up for Elain, Azriel, and Lucien. Yet it took one controversial bonus chapter for people to decenter Elain in her own story, that is make her choice of romantic partner--which SJM spent 3+ books setting up--Azriel's. It took one bonus chapter that soo many readers are still unaware of, to brush Elain off as a "sexual object" Az is using to distract himself until his therapist-extraordinaire Gwyn comes in and heals him all up. Because ofc she will: she's badass and not the "passive and weak and boring" Eplain (aka "Plant" or "brain dead gardener"), she fits the YA archetype of the spunky warrior-girl so she can handle his darkness, and SJM supposedly spent time fleshing her out because she wrote her as a LI for Azriel; she's made for him, she is what he needs to grow (I actually enjoyed Gwyn's character btw, just pointing out how silly it all sounds). “Next book is a love triangle between Elain/Az/Gwyn” “Elain will turn evil or is secretly evil”. So you're telling me that SJM would pit Elain & Gwyn against each other in a love triangle over a man... all because of a necklace that was not even mentioned once in the actual books? Please, let's be logical for a second.

All this because instead of reading the bonus chapter in the context of the books, some people are reading the books in the context of the bonus chapter. Which now that I think of it is probably why so many people mischaracterize Az the way they do--because yes we know enough of his character to know half of the stuff the fandom diagnoses him with is questionable. Azriel? Entitled incel x fuckboy hybrid (gotta be the first of his kind, minute slay ig)? Interesting tell me more. No joke I saw a semi-popular post on here where a gwynriel said they read the bonus WITHOUT HAVING READ ANY OF THE BOOKS. I'm sorry, ship wars are silly and believe it or not idc who ppl ship, but it makes it hard to take some of the things they say seriously.

All this to say that the fandom isn't even debating the right thing. If you consider everything SJM has said in her interviews:

(she's been planting seeds for Nesta & Elain's book since acomaf; she knows who she is writing the first 2 books about + is keeping things open for the 3rd one--with 5 different ship options--which automatically rules out "Elain will close the series"; she said she's doing research for Elain's book in the ACOFAS bonus & there's seeds for future bookS in acofas; all she said recently about her beloved *heroines* and the themes of fate/true love/choice she finds *very* interesting & wants to discuss)

and if you also consider all she's written in the actual books (elain's characterization + the overarching plot in general & how she fits into it), then it's pretty evident that Elain's book is next.

The question then would be who is the MMC / 2nd PoV in her book, aka would acotar 5 be an elucien or an elriel story? Because logically, gwynriel was always a consequence of elucien. I honestly do not understand how people don't see that.

Oh and they always think they're gagging elriels with the "obviously Azriel is the next MC" as if elriels aren't saying the same thing? And we're the ones twisting info and not making sense. It's just funny at this point.

---sidenote: I realize that this post generalizes some things, and I just wanted to say that I have interacted with lovely eluciens / people on either side of this headache of a ship war. My hard limit is Elain haters though... back off I say 🤺 BACK OFF 🤺

---sidenote 2: I would have written this as a reblog except im not entirely sure how tumblr works and I get no visibility from them rip.

[jmoonjones]

Queen Nesta and her General ❤️ General Cassian and his Queen

[yaralulu]

I’m asking the important questions here.

[gwandas]

I could get over Cassian not saying “I love you” to Nesta. The much bigger issue to me is that he doesn’t even think it.

[feyres-divorce-lawyer]

will never understand how the antis make the argument that tamlin was manipulating feyre in acotar to break the curse like he didn’t literally send her away knowing it doomed him and his entire court utm, and then in the same breath going on to applaud rh*sand for all the freedom he gave feyre like every “choice” she makes in acomaf are the those he directly benefits from. if you’re mad that feyre had agency while with tamlin, in book one anyway, and not your bat boy, just say so🙄