#anti nessian

[hrizantemy]

the only reason i’d ever want an ACOTAR tv show is because i know the non-readers would see the “rehab” storyline—aka locking nesta in the house of wind without her consent—and immediately go. “oh that’s not healing, that’s control.” and i would live to watch fandom apologists try to explain how that was “necessary” or “loving” while the general audience side-eyes them like they just endorsed manipulation.

it would be a mess.

and i would be seated with popcorn.

every week.

[ennawrite]

Nesta should sleep with every man who's not in the IC so that she can get back at Cassian gifting Mor lingerie on solstice ( right infront of her face)

dude, Cassian gifting Mor lingerie at Solstice and still having the nerve to be mad at Nesta for not wanting to be there genuinely makes me so mad cause like uhhhh read the fuckin room, dumbass?????

I personally think Nesta should sleep with Eris, or even worse, have thoughtful meaningful conversations with him that she’d never get with “oh-woe-is-me-poor-bastard” Cassian 😭

[seleneprince]

ACOSF, except that Nesta refuses to move to the House of Wind and packs her bags to leave to the "human lands", but instead of actually going there, she stops at the Spring Court and kinda forces Tamlin to take her in. After all, Spring is close enough to the human lands and she's sure none of the IC would look for her Spring.

She and Tamlin clash at first, but then Nesta tells him that Feyre wanted to lock her in the House of Wind for "her own good" and Tamlin has to take a walk outside the house to not break anything because what the fuck? Those people haven't forgiven him for locking Feyre up to protect her and make him miserable because of it, but suddenly it's okay when they do it? Unbelievable.

They drink together and bond over the Night Court's hypocrisy, how they were treated by them, and Feyre. They start living together. Tamlin plays the music and Nesta dances to it. They spend time in silence in his library or taking relaxing strolls around the garden. Nesta does more healing there that she could've done in the House of Wind. Eventually, she and Tamlin become good friends.

Oh, and she meets Eris again and they actually get to know each other outside the Night Court's machinations. They have a slowburn romance and get married eventually, turning Nesta into the High Lady of Autumn. She helps Tamlin rebuild his court and strikes an alliance between both courts, and she thrives with positive relationships and a man that genuinely loves her and doesn't try to change her.

Also Lucien makes up with Tamlin and returns to Spring, adding him to Nesta's friendship circle.

[lifeisabiscuit]

What if Nessian had a daughter and said daughter got mad at Rhysand one day for whatever reason and let's out an "I hate uncle Rhys". Is Cassian going to scream at his own child and tell her everyone hates her the way he did with his mate? Or punish her with a grueling hike? Or give her the silent treatment like the child he is? Or would he just take it out on her mother because that's clearly learned behavior from his "ungrateful " mate.

I don't want to hear any of this "Cassian would be a girl dad" nonsense. He wouldn't know the first thing about how to treat a girl respectfully.

[motherrstorm]

elain: my entire world was turned upside down, my body was violated, and I'm really struggling to grasp this new lifestyle. Im not ready to face lucien or acknowledge the mate bond at all.

the ic: okay elain, that's absolutely okay. we'll let you have your space from everything + lucien and give you protection from him should you need it.

nesta: my entire world was turned upside down, my body was violated, and I'm really struggling to grasp this new lifestyle. Im not ready to face cassian or acknowledge the mate bond at all.

the ic: LMAOOO. you're going to stay with him in a house you can't leave, he's going to be your caretaker and have influence over your day to day tasks, he's going to take you on dangerous missions for us, and we don't gaf that he's fucking you when impulsively having sex is one of the reasons why we put you in the house.

ps: if you don't listen to him, we'll deport you. good luck babe💋!

[roseadleyn]

is nesta archeron truly a bitch, or are you all inherently misogynystic and expect women to be friendly and laugh freely ( or whatever bullshit sjm wrote at all times), and the minute a woman doesn't conform to your rigid standards of what makes a woman worthy of respect — which in itself is insane — you simply must demonize her and call her every derogatory name ever

[kataraavatara]

these were a little too real for tiktok. maybe someday…

[ladydeath-vanserra]

imagine having Nesta being compared to royalty, to an untouchable queen only to have her end up with a man who laughs at her falling down the stairs and not the untouchable prince of the autumn court

[extremely-judgemental]

There was no reason to trade Lucnes for Nessian other than the fact that SJM wanted to punish Nesta. Why would Nesta even be in Night if she was mated to Lucien and serve Feyre for the rest of her life?

Lucien will rip her apart.

The Lucien who realised exactly what his mate needed with one glance?

The Lucien who was the only one to suggest bringing a healer to check on his depressed mate?

The Lucien who was the only one to listen to his mate and treat her like a person?

The Lucien who went on a quest just because his mate had a dream?

The Lucien who gave his mate space and time when she wasn't ready to accept her fae life or the mating bond?

The Lucien who marvelled at Nesta's powers instead of seeing her as a weapon?

Cassian is the one Nesta needed.

The neanderthal who saw his emaciated mate and the first thing he noticed were her boobs?

The neanderthal who said 'eat this or starve' when his depressed mate didn't like his food?

The neanderthal who laughed at his mate after she climbed up the stairs with bruises on her face?

The neanderthal who had sex with his mate right after she was sexually assaulted by an ancient creature?

The neanderthal who rejoiced at how happy his brother will be at his mate's misery?

The neanderthal who forced his mate on a dangerous hike when she was suicidal?

I hear delusions. But thanks for playing.

[limeandorange]

People love to compare Nesta’s situation to rehab (making it sound so necessary), but then get pissed when we point out that her caretaker sleeping with her would be considered abuse in literally any real-world scenario.

[hrizantemy]

Atleast Rhys doesn't sleep with woman and doesn't beg her sister not to tell Feyre . Lucien can't relate . Once more Lucien chose to participate in calanmai, he could've told Tamlin he didn't want to but that didn't happen . The issue he had was that he later got a mate

are we stupid? no like—are we actually fucking dumb? are we really out here shaming lucien for stepping up and participating in Calanmai, a sacred rite that literally regenerates magic and nourishes the land?

lucien didn’t sign up for a frat party. he did his duty. calanmai isn’t about pleasure—it’s a magical obligation. the magic flows through the High Lord (or in his absence, someone like lucien), and it’s then returned to the earth. it explicitly says the crops depend on this. the health of the entire spring court depends on this. it’s not a random holiday, it’s ancient seasonal magic.

and let’s be very clear: he did this before he knew elain existed. the only reason he was upset later was because he suddenly had a mate and felt shame retroactively. that’s called guilt, not betrayal. he wasn’t cheating on anyone. he didn’t owe anyone fidelity during a magical rite he didn’t design.

so no, rhysand not sleeping with other women isn’t some shining achievement (he canonically has, so either you’re stupid or stupid—pick one, babes). lucien stepping into a centuries-old ritual to preserve the court’s magic isn’t a moral failure—it’s a sacrifice. maybe let’s direct the outrage toward people actually doing harm instead of a man who quite literally kept the land alive.

so that’s the end of it. i don’t do shaming characters based on their sexual history—ever. so try again. and i’m not nice to people who do. if you want to weaponize past intimacy to make a character look “less worthy,” that says more about you than it ever will about them.

[fenrysmoonbeamswife]

"When someone pushes you enough to snap and then blames you for your reaction, that is called reactive abuse."

. . . interesting

[xwintersoulx]

Before I Read A court of silver flames everybody told me how romantic it was and how Cassian is this great mate and how much he loves Nesta but all I Read in his pov was how he lusts after her. Always talking about her body BUT NOT HER AS A PERSON! WHERE IS THE LOVE?!

[hunnyy-bunnyyy]

Vaugeposting because I don't feel like starting an arguement, but I still want to express my opinion:

Wanting Cassian to defend Nesta in the moment isn't an attempt to take Nesta's strength or make her a damsel in distress, it's a criticism of Cassian's unsupportive behavior and efforts to play both sides. How is Nesta supposed to feel safe around Cassian if he sits around and let's his friends and family call her names and insult her?

It doesn't matter if Cassian defends Nesta behind closed doors, because his refusal to correct the behavior in the moment shows that he is perfectly okay with Nesta being insulted, demeaned, and threatened. The whole point of defending someone is to stop the verbal aggressor from being verbally aggressive.

[siriuslyobsessedwithfiction]

Friendly reminder this is the "found family" Nyx will grow up with.

Feyre: His mother who made "the found family" hate his aunt Nesta for "always sneering" and "letting her hunt", even though she tried to hunt and wasn't good at it, did all the housework, suffered years of physical abuse so she wouldn't have to. All the while excusing his other aunt Elain sitting on her ass because she was polite about it. His mother Feyre who threw hysterics because his aunt Nesta hung out in slums. His mother who didn't care there were slums in Valaris, poverty in Hewn City and Illyria while she built her fifth mansion, opened an art studio and occasionally spared some charity. His mother who locked his aunt Nesta away with a creepy man she repeatedly tried to get away from, who berated her, verbally and physically assaulted her, had sex with her at the time she felt completely unloved and used sex as a coping mechanism.

Rhysand: His father who is President Snow from Hunger Games to Illyria, Hewn City and probably every other Court. His father who claims to be the most powerful high lord in one sentence and whines how change takes time and he can't do anything about it in the next. His father who enforces segregation between Hewn City and Valaris, doesn't enforce the law to stop femicide, mutilation and rape of female Illyrians, lets children live in poverty and war camps. His father Rhysand who repeatedly threatened to kill his aunt Nesta over everything. His father who drugged and assaulted his mother. His father who took his mother's bodily autonomy, hid from his mother that pregnancy would kill her and didn't take the risk to allow her to shift into Illyrian form to save her life. His father who made a stupid pact to die with his mother. His father who orphaned him.

Cassian: His uncle who saw that Azriel was romantically interested in Mor, felt jealous over it, and agreed to have sex with her knowing it would hurt Azriel. His uncle Cassian who gifted his one night stand lingerie in front of everybody, including his mate. His uncle Cassian who didn't respect his mate's boundaries, threw a tantrum when she refused his present after he gifted his one night stand lingerie and nobody gifted her anything during the celebration. His uncle Cassian who always made it about himself at the time when his mate was at her lowest and told her that he hated being shackled to her, told her he didn't understand why her sisters loved her, controlled her diet, had sex with her at the time she used sex as a coping mechanism, took her on hikes until she collapsed at the time she was suicidal, laughed at her when she fell down the stairs and had to crawl back up injured, never defended her when his brother threatened to kill her, always hypersexualized her, never told her he loved her. And never apologized for any of this shit.

Mor: Who didn't emphasize with his aunt Nesta even though she was also going through trauma of being physically and sexually abused. Mor who wanted to throw his aunt Nesta to the same people who abused her. Mor who doesn't try to make Hewn City and Valaris a better place and unite them. Mor who hid from his mother Feyre that the pregnancy would kill her.

Amren: Who was bitchy to his aunt Nesta for no valid reason and advised Cassian to break her and then offer a helping hand. Which he did. Amren who is always dismissive of his aunt Nesta and commands her around even though she has done more than she has. Amren who also hid from Feyre that the pregnancy would kill her.

Every time I remember this is Nyx's family, Meet the Grahams starts playing in my head.

Edit: Since it went over some people's head, I'll clarify that I fear Nyx will grow up to be a hypocritical arsehole like the rest of them while they groom him to be Rhysand Number 2. I sincerely hope the kid will somehow break free from their influence and learn to think for himself.

[wingsdippedingold]

Almost all of the main romances in ACOTAR being interracial in some way is insane.

Almost all of them are brown man x white woman. Most of them are Illyrian, besides Lucien, and even then, he’s a technically a brown man.

Obviously half of the important characters are Illyrians, BUT when they’re the only Illyrians it becomes an issue. We have ONE important ambiguous brown woman. Not to mention SJM’s treatment of black people.

SJM’s fetishization of the “exotic” and “primal” brown person is plastered throughout the books, I’m surprised so many people try to deny it. It is very obvious her and many other romantasy authors only care about POC for their sex value.

Even with Emorie; Emerie is a woman, but she still suffers from the masculinization of Illyrians, something constantly done to black and brown women. Her dating Mor, a white woman who looks down on Emerie’s race, IS problematic even if it is a lesbian relationship.