#acotar discussion

[yourlittlebunnyy]

sorry but to me it will be forever funny how people in this fandom get so mad when you dont have the same opinion as them like bro we're literally arguing over fictional characters and fanon thingssss lol grow up

[nesta-attorney]

i need sarah to announce this week because im going crazy

[infiniteetcetera]

Being a fan of both Rhysand and Nesta is so hard because I really can’t like a post about one without getting fifty posts hating on the other in my feed💔

[ennawrite]

the “anti valkyries” tag is so … interesting. How you can hate women taking back their agency and overcoming their traumas while forming bonds they all deemed themselves unworthy of but are also at the end of the day, just girls who like to have fun is truly beyond me but to each their own ig 🤷‍♀️

[1800naveen]

I feel like we should talk about how Ianthe was Tamlin's childhood best friend.

What was she like? Was she any different from now? How did they meet?

Let's discuss as a class👩🏾‍🏫

[positivelyruined]

Can we just talk about the Alis and Mrs. Potts parallels?

Because they are starting to hit me.

And the Lumiere and Lucien parallels have unstoppable joke potential. Truly.

I’m going to have to tie my mouth shut.

[florencemtrash]

to add to the rhysand's sister discussion, even if she wasn't as powerful as rhysand she'd definitely be very powerful like she doesn't need to be as strong as rhys to be more powerful than almost every other character. sjm barely uses rhys's powers so i think we forget, he is the most powerful high lord ever and he was really fucking powerful even before being high lord so his sister definitely had around the same power. he probably only got stronger because after his dad died he got the high lord power added to it. but either way if his sister was alive during amarantha she probably would have broken the wards rhys put over velaris and you know her and the ic would go get him

Oh absolutely. I 100% agree. Also, in my mind, her unique superpower would be some FUCKING COMMON SENSE AND REASON! Like that alone would make her stronger/more capable than 90% of the other self-sacrificing characters (I love them for it, but goddamn does it get frustrating sometimes) regardless of their actual power level.

"Oh, you want to go to Amarantha's party alone??? You mean the female we fucking hate and distrust with a burning passion??? Yeah, absolutely not. Either we're staying home and watching the shit show go on from behind our borders, or we're going together." -> that alone is probably why Rhysand's sister physically could not be in the books.

[floresfinds]

The difference between tamlin locking Feyre inside vs Feyre locking nesta inside is that tamlin locked feyre up under HIS misguided ptsd fueled self destruction “to keep her safe” Whilst in the sisters case, Nesta was locked up to prevent access to her destructive coping mechanisms removing her from that environment (not only was it to keep nesta safe but it also kept the citizens of the night court safe from her)

Yes Tamlin/Feyre went about dealing with their problems the wrong way by imprisoning Feyre/Nesta against their will “to protect them” but Tamlins fear was unfounded (understandable but ultimately unfounded), Nesta’s destruction was real.

Side note: Feyre being more against the "trapping her inside the house of wind" would have made more sense given her history with Tamlin but this flaw is more to do with SJM’s ability to write characters consistently/with “logic” and less Feyre being a hypocrite (even though she wouldn’t have been bc they were two different situations to begin with)

[littlefeltsparrow]

For Sarah J Maas, it isn’t enough to just have Feyre and Rhysand be traumatized, she must emphasize that they have suffered the MOST and that they are the MOST traumatized (yet they oh-so-nobly rise above it).

Her idea of virtue is characters suffering and being traumatized, conveniently showing few signs of that trauma, and then giving them an air of superiority because other characters are “not trying” or haven’t suffered as much as they have. It’s almost like a competition, which in turn makes the character interactions feel hollow and removes any potential substance from in-text discussions about trauma.

[nesta-attorney]

[infiniteetcetera]

RAPID FIRE ACOTAR CHARACTER HOT TAKES

. [Mostly focused on side characters but thoughts about our mains too BC why not]

🔥Emerie is one of THE most underrated characters and deserved a bigger storyline in ACOSF (obviously it’s Nestas book but other side characters like Gwyn, Feysand, etc got more time that could have been hers)

🔥I don’t know why people really like Helion or want him with LOA😭 mans has let her be in an abusive relationship for DECADES & I feel like if he really loved/deserved her he would have blood dueled by now. he might make a fine father for Lucien but I don’t want to read a love story that involves a few centuries of abandonment

🔥I like genuinely wonder often if the rest of Lucien’s brothers are evil evil. Like if Eris is playing along to their abusive dad’s whims, how do we know the rest of them aren’t? They likely don’t know Eris is different so why would he know that about them? Lucien didn’t? IDK i’m just curious about more Vanserras

🔥Jurian is genuinely one of the funniest characters👀 his revival may be a little pointless but his vibes are immaculate and he’s underrated

🔥You don’t have to hate Mor for leading Azriel on (there are others reasons to not like her) but she definitely did💀aside from the fact every character including her says it we get literal scenes of it too. like she FR tells Feyre he has a huge dick and just says so many other sexual/romantic things about him that are NOT platonic, it makes sense he’s been confused AF😭

🔥Kallias and Viviane have one of the sweetest love stories in the series and I wish we saw more of them. they also just have such good vibes & if they’re gonna keep popping up for little cameos I want more deets

🔥TW SA: I won’t even argue about Tamlins wrongs against Feyre bc i’ve done so before & it isn’t worth the breath BUT it bewilders me that so many people ignore/excuse what he did to Lucien😭 aside from just the generally abusive vibes he not only ignored what Ianthe was doing to Lucien (when equally if not more depressed people like Feyre/Rhys noticed) but also made him have sex with that creepy ass predator😩 Lucien’s struggle with that is so overlooked in general but still bothers me people ignore Tamlins fault in it and that Lucien is now groveling for his friendship

🔥 While on the topic of SA, i’ve seen a lot of people in the fandom have such a gross attitude about what happened to Rhys recently. like man has plenty of flaws and has done a lot of wrong things but that’s not an excuse to make jokes about him being SA’d for DECADES especially when male SA representation is so rare and it’s dumbass jokes like the kind fans are now making that makes guys feel uncomfortable about speaking up

🔥One more on this topic, the SA Nesta experienced is also SO overlooked, even by the narrative itself. The general fact she was using sex as a form of self harm/punishment is also weirdly addressed a few times but then excused if it’s with Cassian in a way that’s so gross

🔥Feyre and Rhys having Nyx so soon was a bad decision. No matter how many people bring up the “oh they were so close to dying” “oh they don’t want to waste time” blah blah blah doesn’t change the fact that’s a TERRIBLE reason to have kids😭 like does the fact they made that decision kind of make sense given what they experienced? sure! was it at all smart or level headed or much more than a trauma response? literally no

🔥I feel like Rhys’ mom…kind of sucks? She’s spoken about more highly than any of the other ACOTAR parents but she literally forced her son to go to a child soldier camp she knew was full of misogyny, poverty, and a bunch of other barbaric practices, did nothing to help any of the other kids unless she was forced to (Rhys brought cassian home, and Az’s mom begged her to take him, she then let Rhys & Cas beat on this poor traumatized boy) and overall Rhys turned out far from perfect but actually could have been SO much worse when you think about it

🔥On the topic of bad parents KIER BEING ALIVE STILL IS SO STUPID AND MAKES NO SENSE.

[ennawrite]

been seeing a lot of backlash for Netflix gender bending one of the Bridgerton characters and I find it so interesting because they could gender bend almost any character in ACOTAR & I think I’d be down for it.

Hell, I’d probably like the relationship more if it WAS gay 😭

[gwandas]

Nesta stans being the only Archeron sister fanbase that doesn’t center the man she’s with… real af of us

[xxvalkyriesxx]

You know when Rhys and Gwyn become close friends these two will not shut up about some sort of space theories or some ancient philosopher to the point that family dinner would have ended 4 hours ago and yet they’re still talking.

[copypastus]

Nothing gave me more whiplash IN MY LIFE than going from acowar to acofas.

Remember when Feyre closed the chapter on her relationship with Tamlin and wished him well? Coz the Inner Circle sure keeps forgetting.

[yaralulu]

Since we’re on the topic of Tamlin and Lucien’s friendship,I obviously have to say something (a lot of things actually I can’t help it).

I’ve always hated how people bring up/assume Tamlin saving Lucien is the only reason for Lucien’s loyalty to him (because he feels indebted to him).Yes obviously Tamlin saving Lucien’s life and giving him a home is a part of it but so much has happened between them since then.Those two have witnessed and been there for each other at their absolute lowest moments and that kind of bond is deep.

Minimizing their relationship to just “Tamlin saved Lucien’s life” is just completely diminishing everything they’ve been through together and does their friendship a massive disservice.

Who was there when Lucien was struggling with the loss of Jesminda? Tamlin 

Who was there when Lucien lost his eye? Tamlin 

Who got Lucien his eye replacement to help him? Tamlin 

Who was there when Tamlin’s heart got turned to stone? Lucien 

Who was there when Tamlin was forced to send his sentries to their death? Lucien 

Who has there for Tamlin when Feyre left Spring? Lucien

Who begged Amarantha to spare Lucien’s life?Tamlin

Do I need to go on?

They were there for each other at every point.They’ve been through hell and back together .Their relationship is so much deeper than “he saved my life and I owe him everything ”. A genuine friendship and a familial bond has formed between them and that is why Lucien is so loyal and protective towards Tamlin .That man is his family.