#When does a man become a monster?
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when the piece of media explores themes of humanity versus monstrosity. on one hand, it’s “how far can I go before I am just as monstrous as those I deem my enemies? the further i go the more certain i am that i’ve crossed a line. am I even human anymore?” and on the other hand it’s “was the monster always a monster? what makes it evil, what makes it inhuman? what has it done that i fear it?”
in both cases it is “i am looking at the creature I am fighting and i see a mirror of myself. was i always this way? was it always this way?”
#this is about epic the musical and disney's hunchback of notre dame and httyd and nimona btw#when does a man become a monster?#what makes a monster and what makes a man?#sometimes these themes dives into morality and especially shines in war driven and/or dystopian stories#sometimes they dive into the “othering” of different people by society and how we fear that unknown#…this may also be about the ever underappreciated disney fairy’s the neverbeast#writing tropes#writing#epic the musical#the hunchback of notre dame#nimona#httyd#and sea beast#the sea beast#my favorite trope of all time#can you tell i’ve been listening to epic the musical all day. can you tell#tropes
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When does a man become a monster…?
Been feeling a little silly :P
@foreststarflaime @altocat @stairway-to-camaraderie
#Angeal Hewley#genesis rhapsodos#Sephiroth#Zack Fair#Cloud Strife#Vincent Valentine#FFVII#Final Fantasy 7#Crisis Core#EPIC the musical#EPIC#Just a man#When does a man become a monster?#it kinda fits them..?#Greek Mythology#Music#Edit#FFVII edit
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I cannot stop thinking about Armand, an ex slave who worked in a brothel where he was constantly abused, getting together with Louis, an ex pimp, just to prove himself that he is stronger now and that no one can hurt him anymore (it's not true)
#what is the amount of pain to turn a good person into a bad one?#when does a man become a monster?#iwtv#armand#interview with the vampire#the vampire armand#armand iwtv#iwtv armand
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one of my favourite things about epic the musical is the reused sets and aspects. for example, the "i'm just a man" was introduced in the first saga, troy, and is still being used in recent and upcoming songs, because it's such an important concept and piece about odysseus and his journey. same goes for "man vs. monster" but it's from the same song. the cool thing is (in my humble opinion) is that in ruthlessness from the ocean saga, IS also a new aspect that is being played now. in BOTH "the underworld" and "monster" from the underworld saga ody sings "ruthlessness is mercy upon ourselves..." and "[...] if ruthlessness is mercy"
and that's SO smart. like hello? introducing new moral values/views is so AAA.
#LIKE LIKE...#how in just a man ody is like#when DOES a man become a monster?#and posiden is like#well when he choses to sacrifice his friends in order to spare his enemies#UH#HEY#WHAT WAS THAT#epic: the musical#epic the musical#odysseus#epic the ocean saga#ocean saga#!!!!#i love ocean saga#such a powerful album#mwah
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when does a comet become a meteor?
#when does a candle become a blaze#when does a man become a monster?#mcsr#feinberg#dolorem#iterum#house builder gang
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I'm in the beginning stages of an epic the musical brain rot
#Who hurts you?#When does a man become a monster?#I'm getting brain rot fr#These lyrics and vocals are fucking amazing#I've only heard like 5 or 6 songs but bangers#Or they at least have one banger part#Wtf
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Introducing my new obsession. 24/7 through my woefully inadequate phone speaker.
"Is the cyclops struck with guilt when he kills? Is he up in the middle of the night?
Or does he end my men to avenge his friend, and then sleep knowing he has done him right?"
"When the witch turns men to pigs to protect her nymphs is she going insane?
Or did she learn to be colder when she got older, and now she saves them the pain?"
"When a god comes down and makes a fleet drown is he scared that he's doing something wrong?
Or does he keep us in check so we must respect him, and now no one dares to piss him off?"
"Does a soldier use a wooden horse to kill sleeping trojans 'cause he is vile?
Or does he throw away his remorse and saves more lives with guile?"
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Eurylochus: Captain, what’s the plan to fight Scylla?
Odysseus:
#epic the musical#epic: the musical#epic the thunder saga#epic: the thunder saga#the thunder saga#eurylochus#Odysseus#scylla#mine#i have ONE meme and I'm good at it#we're man-made monsters#when does a man become a monster
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Thinking about thunder bringer
#epic the musical#epic the thunder saga#epic odysseus#odyessus#thunder bringer#THE WISDOM SAGA COMES OUT TONIGHT?#please tell me someone gets this joke 😭#when does a man become a monster when does ripple become a tidal wave and now your not getting home for another 10 years#I’m a little new to the fandom pls be nice
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Hey…. Hey @cosmicdemon hey sweetie unmmm…..Wtf!!!!???? How did you find a way to make it hurt MORE!!!!!!
Hey for anyone who listens to epic and watches aew
So you know how in thunder bringer how Eurylochus says but we’ll die and ody says I know
I’m just thinking of Bryan going to mox like you coulda killed me you coulda ended my career my life! And mox says I know
#when does a man become a monster?#aew#epic the musical#I’m in pain!!!#im adding to my own pain and others are adding to it and all my god!!!!!#all I hear are screams and it’s just me trying to scream over Yutas JON NO!#loren responds
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#this is a cry for help please i have loved this clown for over a decade#When Bruce says “I can fix him” I completely understand & not bc I want to fix him#but bc despite all the atrocities he has committed you can't help but feel compassion for him#Joker constantly struggles to not let himself be seen vulnerable but when he does oh God it breaks my heart#I wouldn't know what to do if I were aware that I'm being doomed by the narrative & i had no escape even in death#to have a fate as tragic as being forced to become a myth#a monster who abandons all traces of humanity to make sure that someone else never abandons his#A lonely man who lives in a world of the dead and must do as much harm as possible to the only living person before his eyes#After all horror and obsession leads backs to love. oh god imagine loving as much as he does#Love as something twisted as a source of tragedy and death as an addiction a wound that never stops bleeding and hurts more every day#All you want is to be free#But someone else is holding on to you and will never let u go bcz he is afraid of being alone#and without you the weight of the world he carries on his shoulders would kill him he needs u as much as u need him#both are going to drown together#anyways hahaha i luv this stupid clown#joker#the joker#batjokes#bcz i got carried away writing the tags :p
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little moshang fan kid <3
spoiled, aloof, a bit of a bitch, terminally 'weak constitution'-ed, lowkey lazy, prefers reading his dailies in the office and pretending to do paperwork to fighting
#svsss#moshang#he DOES grow up and becomes a respectable demon prince eventually. but hes a cold disinterested spoiled brat as a teen#shang qinghua rides his ass because he KNOWS that hes slacking on the paperwork that hes pretending to do#but unfortunately thats His Baby and he cant be TOO strict (this attitude not extended towards binghe... sad)#crawling out of mirrors like The Grunge to scare the transmigrated soul out of uncle sqq#he got his love of shiny shiny jangly accessories from aunt sha hualing#when he was a baby everyone in court was trying to poison him for political reasons#but didnt realize that since hes only half demon full demon poisons wont kill him#so for years moshang just thought their kid had like. horrible IBS. lack toast and tolerance that almost kills you#and even now as a young man hes like.... ah... sadly my body is too frail to go on ceremonial monster hunts with father..#my greatest love language for a series..... making fankids#his fighting style is Very elegantly avoiding all attacks. poor MBJ like JUST STAND TALL AND TAKE A HIT LIKE A FUTURE DEMON KING#his poor firstborn son like Why would I do that. getting beaten up is very unpleasant. i would personally like to avoid that
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WAIT WAIT WAIT WAIT A FUCKING SECOND WAIT
Odysseus singing with Scylla "we are the same you and I" or whatever the lyrics were
Scylla aiming for the six men holding the torches
The suitors in King going "keep your head down he's aiming for the torches"
#is this something??#just. odysseus fully becoming a monster. that is all#epic the musical#me when the man prophesised to become a monster becomes a monster: :O#seriously tho does this make sense??
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but he is just a man!!! who’s fighting for his life! deep down he would trade the world to see his son and wife!
thus, let him go home
guys. guys. i think odysseus is just a man. who's trying to go home. even after all the years away from what he's known.
um yeah so we should let him do that guys
#for when. does a comet become a meteor?#when does a candle become a blaze?#when does a man become a monster?#when does a ripple become a tidal wave?#when does the reason become the blame?#epic the musical
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I remember when I knew little to nothing about the Odyssey and its story, I made my own conclusions on how the story was going to go. When I first heard the song ‘no longer you’, I thought that the prophet was telling him that another one of his men would be the one who made it home, so I assumed that Odysseus becoming the ‘monster’ would be him killing that crew member so it would go back to being him.
LITTLE DID I KNOW THAT WHAT HAPPENED IN THE THUNDER SAGA IS A HUNDRED TIMES WORSE THAN WHAT I EVER THOUGHT.
#epic the musical#epic: the musical#jorge rivera herrans#epic the troy saga#epic the cyclops saga#epic the ocean saga#epic the circe saga#epic the underworld saga#epic the thunder saga#i was like damn odysseus#when does a man become a monster indeed
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"You're not a hero, Percy." "No," he agrees. An infants cry suddenly silenced, siren blood turning the seas red, the screams of six of his men as lights are snuffed out. "I'm not." 108 corpses piled high in his palace. "But neither are you, Luke."
the temptation to make a just a man reference grows with every day
#the rebirth saga au#my fic#snippet#pjo#epic the musical#crossover#not me trying to figure out if i can reasonably fit in 'when does a man become a monster' in a way that makes sense#and doesn't disturb the flow of a fic that isn't even written yet
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