#Toh rant

[botanigeist]

yesterday i was thinking about raine whispers and then remembered how infantilized they were, esp in the beginning 😭 so many ppl saw they had stage fright and made it their whole personality

like ppl forget they ran a rebellion group and were a crucial aspect for defeating belos. not to mention how they're just like eda in personality/even worse in some aspects!! not some 'uwu smol baby' ughhh i don't play about my stupid bard!!

[numericalbridge]

There is something about the way Hunter-centric fandom doesn't even take in the account characterization and the writer's intentions when talking about other characters, like they don't exist outside of the scenes with Hunter, when even tertiary characters like Darius have other things going on for them.

Ok, fandom is set in their opinion on Darius, and canon didn't care about him enough to have him voice his point of view, but look at Raine and the fanon take that they would abandon Hunter for the sake of the 'greater good', fully knowing that he is abused (which is not the same as maybe suspecting something but not having time or means to investigate or really do anything). We actually see that Raine stopped the spell in Eda's Requiem when they found that Eda had kids, that they valued their promise made to Luz in the Clouds. Knowing that and everything else about Raine, like, do you really think it was the intention to paint them as someone who would 'sacrifice' the greater good if the kids they know/kids of someone they are close with are involved (even when the kids won't even be harmed physically), but would willingly leave a kid they are not close with to suffer for the sake of the greater good? Do you really think that was the intention of the writers with this character in a kid cartoon?

And yes, the writing might have unfortunate implications or things that are not explained - sometimes because of the format and time constrains, sometimes because the writers probably didn't expect that adult fans would pick their show apart like it's a complicated psychological fantasy, and sometimes because the writing is flawed and not that great. But there is still characterization and tone of the show. And Eda's and King's relationship is almost never dissected that way.

Oh, but it's for AUs, oh, the fans want to dig deeper, says fandom. And my polite take is that no one actually stops you (general you). But the question is: are you really exploring other characters, do you care about the characterization and is respectful of it, can you write something deeper and explore complicated feelings, or are you going to write/draw another Hunter whump where he gets to shout at characters of color for failing him while they experience disproportionate guilt, and then you never do anything positive with them? And can you do anything positive with them that doesn't turn them into one dimensional props whose only role is to coddle and protect Hunter? Can you avoid racist tropes while writing their flaws? Do you understand that the same tropes and the same harsher judgement of the characters of color and sometimes white women who stand opposed to the fandom favourite white guy is something that repeats from fandom to fandom, and that it is alienating?

And my mean take is that almost every time i see a post like that, the works and authors that are recommended as examples of 'great exploration of Hunter angst' are actually just blatantly full of racist and mysogynistic double standarts and white character prioritization, so...

[dejaroze]

Ive Seen some weird shit today so here’s a little rant, aimed towards the TOH shipping community but can be used for any fandom-

Just because you ship one thing, doesn’t mean you can criticize other ships for no specific reasons.

I love a TON of ships, I don’t really stick to one and that’s the fun of it!

Here’s the thing, I know majority of the fandom that ships lumity is against lunter, I personally think both ships are fine, even though I prefer lumity way more.

Saying hunter and Luz are siblings is a HC, which I do believe, I love imagining them being siblings. THEY ARE NOT BLOOD RELATED, NOR IS HUNTER ADOPTED BY CAMILA. Hunter and Luz are both bisexual! Just because Luz is dating a girl, doesn’t automatically make her lesbian.

So yes, I see them as sibling coded. This doesn’t mean I go attack lunter shippers and accuse them of being pro shippers.

THIS GOES BOTH WAYS!

I see many lunter shippers trashing on lumity shippers, most for pure pettiness. A few of these people also trash on huntlow, which is a ship I adore but, everyone has their opinions of course. ( I personally HC Willow and hunter in a qpr )

CONCLUSION

Do not attack others for shipping things you don’t ship! ( unless it’s illegal, then yeah that’s weird asf )

[rilli-luci]

Begging and pleading for people to talk to me about the Owl House I have so much to SAY but I can't just write essays and post them, I need someone to read them.

[iamchaos1234]

[spoilers for all of The Owl House]

Short version: I love found family

Long version:

Eda, King, and Luz. The original three. One a witch, one a titan, one a human. Maybe King and Eda have always been close, since Eda found him on that island. But the progression of the three's bond throughout the series made me cry when I thought about it. It starts out as Luz just being a random human, a pawn they use to get back King's crown. Then Luz decided to stay, and it's quite clear Eda doesn't really care at the start. You can see how she clearly ignores Luz's wishes. But you see as season 1 goes on, Eda starts caring for her wellbeing and starts actually bonding and caring for Luz. But you really only see the full extent of Eda's newfound care for Luz in Agony of a Witch. Eda goes to save /her/ human from Lilith, despite knowing the dangers, despite knowing it was a trap, despite knowing her curse is getting worse and worse. And as her curse takes over, she thanks Luz. For being in her life. Luz fights ferociously to save Eda, stopping at nothing to save her Boiling Isles mom. Season 2, episode 1 Eda states that she uses the money they have to get special food for Luz instead of her apple blood, which she is shown to stop at nothing to get. You see the three's bond grow so much in season 2. Luz helps King through his identity crisis, and tries her very best to help him figure out who he truly is. At the end of season 2 Eda's concern for her two children is so great, she just wants them to be safe. They shouldn't have to go through this, since they are just children. But Luz is so desperate to help, to fix her mistake, to redeem herself for her part in this horror. In Clouds on the Horizon you can see Luz's concern for Eda and her plan. Both King and Luz are terrified, because Eda talks like she may never come back. After the Day of Unity when the Collector is taking King you can see just how desperate Luz is to save her found family, her brother and her mom, she wants so badly to save them, just to make sure they are okay. You can see how emotional both are, King thanking Luz, then for her wellbeing shoving her through the portal. Throughout Thanks to Them you can see all of that sadness and want and guilt well up in Luz, not even knowing if her owl mom and little brother are alright. Then, there is Watching and Dreaming. When they all reunite, they are so happy, just so thankful to see the others okay. Then there is the battle with Belos. Eda and King can only watch, as Luz saves the Collector from Belos. Which kills her, and she can't even get the words to tell them as she fades away. In the in-between realm, her inner thoughts say she should have thanked them. Just as they had to her. The absolute fury and anger from Eda and King is insurmountable. They went from a ragtag group, to a family. A true family. Their anger is so great they shift to forms we never have seen or see again, only showing themselves in their absolute despair over Luz's death. When Luz is revived their extreme joy and relief is so great, and it shows.

A witch, a titan, and a human. A mother, a son, and a daughter

Titan I love found family 😭 don't even get me STARTED on Hunter-

This has been a Chaos rant, thanks for reading ;)

[shadebloopnik]

Ever go along your day and suddenly think that actually we need to give more credit to Edalyn Fucking Clawthorne. Like, she was THE Owl Lady. She was THE most POWERFUL witch on the boiling isles even at middle age. And she received a damn CURSE that ate at her powers and limited her skills SINCE SHE WAS A TEEN. Its been burning through her powers since she was a damn CHILD and it seemed to really only take significant effect decades later. And even at the HEIGHT of the curse, even when it was taking over her entire form, even when it was DRAINING EVERY SINGLE BIT OUT OF HER, she was STILL WINNING AGAINST LILITH; AGAINST THE HEAD OF THE EMPEROR'S COVEN WHO COULD ALSO USE ALL THE MAGIC TYPES, ALSO TOWERED ABOVE OTHER WITCHES IN TERMS OF POWER.

There was a reason why Belos didn't go to fight her himself. He was a bitch but he was a smart bitch and he knew that without the safety net of being related to her(like Lilith being her sister) he'd be a damn sludge on the wall 2 seasons early.

Eda was kicking ass, doing crime and looking good even with a curse that everyone expects would pull her down. She took the chains of her curse and made it her necklace. She kicked cops in the face. She powered through every heartbreak and found people who loved her to bits. Even when her power was finally drained, she got her bombass Harpy form by parenting the shit out of the OwlBeast bc she's just that cool. And even without her powers and forms you say? We'll she's a fucking talented GENIUS, she's literally so smart she's smarter than Lilith despite how chaotic she acts. She's an amazing musician. She's one of theee best potion makers. And again, she's a damn GENIUS in both academics and street smarts. And at the end of it all, she opened up a school and worked to break down the foundations of the very system that shunned her and her people. She made people embraxe individuality all the while teaching them to appreciate the love and support of a family/community. She's building a world, a family that she would have loved to had when she was younger and hurt and confused and alone.

She had a disability and she wore it like a fucking QUEEN and idc how much The Owl House fandom dies down in the future, this woman never went down without a fucking fight ESPECIALLY if it was for the people she loves and she DESERVES the never ending praise.

"How pathetic are you, that you can't best me at my WORST."

[gravityfying]

this is genuinely some of the stupidest discourse i've ever seen in my life. this is something so inconsequential but people act like their loved ones died or something, good god

[mad-not-disappointed]

lilith should have stayed a villain honestly. her dynamic with eda was so interesting, her devotion towards belos was a stark contrast to eda's disdain for him, and while lilith wasn't always the most efficient or intimidating villain, she served her purpose quite well.

but not only was her redemption absolute trash, with everyone forgiving her immediately, but she also serves no real purpose to the story going forward.

there was so much you could have done with an ex-member of the emperor's coven. she would have known belos a lot better than any of our protagonists (except for hunter). she could have been a very valuable member of the team, but instead she almost immediately leaves to stay with her mother. which, sure, on an emotional aspect, it's good but it doesn't really drive the plot forward.

the one time she was useful was in the time travelling episode. and honestly?? this could have been done by anyone. we didn't even know lilith had an interest in history until that episode. she could have been replaced by any other character who also knew a bit about history, and the episode would have been the same.

hunter was also underutilized as someone who knew belos on a personal basis. but at least he has the excuse of joining the protagonists late, and there wasn't enough time in the show for him to really put his experience in the emperor's coven to good use.

[hunterwittebone]

Rant about Hunter and Disability in toh!!

One thing that I don’t see talked about often that I find really interesting is Hunter being disabled in the fact he can’t cast magic.

I think that it’s a really important part of Hunter’s character though, and plays a huge part in his isolation and manipulation under Belos. A lot of the world in the boiling isles is centered around magic and the uses they play in the world. This can be seen even in “I was a teenage abomination” because Willow is struggling with her future because of her lack of abomination magic. She gets bullied and teased for her lack of magic, even though she’s strong in plant magic!

This is just one example of how magic plays a huge role in the boiling isles, especially considering the coven system implemented by belos which limits wild magic such as glyphs and palismen.

Because of how much magic is relied on, the lack of magic in the boiling isles is discriminated against and treated as less than people with magic. Which is especially seen early in separate tides, with how Eda can’t find work and gets underpaid because she lost her magic. This plays a huge role in Belos’s manipulation over Hunter because Hunter believes that without magic he won’t be able to have a future, which is why Belos taking him in and “giving” him magic is so important and vital to him.

I do believe that the lack of magic can be a metaphor for a mental disorder, especially since it isn’t possible to tell just by looking at them. In our current world, people with mental disorders often get discriminated against and are affected by their disorder in daily life. I think that wild magic could also be a metaphor for accommodations! With the use of accommodations it makes it possible for those with disorders to be able to work and function more in this world/environment!

Overall, this is something very personal to me, especially since I’m affected daily by my disorders. I do believe that The Owl House did a really good job at representing disability in the show! Please let me know any thoughts or opinions you have, but please be respectful.

[redwolftakesthemoon]

//toh spoilers

"These out bursts are... Painful. And so is watching you fail." - Belos to Hunter

Can we please talk about this? This was so fake, and very obviously Belos trying to manipulate Hunter. But I want to talk about why he was saying it. He's trying to make Hunter think that the "curse" (Belos's ability to manipulate the palisman that he consumes) is not his fault. Like, that when he hits and attacks Hunter with this power, it's not actually Belos. He wants Hunter to think that the curse is making him have these outbursts, and it's working. Hunter really believes this ("Uncle, I want to help!" when talking about it-- He thinks his uncle is trying to fix the curse). It's so incredibly sad. I assume this manipulation is the main reason that Hunter still trusts Belos completely (before Hollow Mind), because he still fully believes that his Uncle isn't hurting him on purpose, and the loving part of Belos is the only part that matters because the pain he's inflicting isn't his fault.

In a lot of fanfictions, it's portrayed that Belos hit Hunter or disciplined him in other ways (and I'm not trying to hate, those are very good), but I imagine that he never did any or much of that, because Belos could have just used the "curse" to hurt him and discipline him, and he still needs Hunter to trust him. Hunter still acts scared of Belos, but it's when he's mad that the "curse" acts out, so he's not scared of Belos hurting him; he's scared that he's gonna anger the curse. Which, in turn, hurts Belos (or at least he says it does-- which is probably true but is another thing that Belos says to make Hunter not anger him or go against his word), and Hunter doesn't want his uncle in pain. So Belos probably just utilises the curse so that Hunter can still trust him and not think he's the one hurting him.

But this specific sentence really shows the whole thing: Belos reminds Hunter of the curse, how it hurts him, and then reminds him of how his failures affect Belos.

And then, in Hollow Mind--

"But without [the palismen], I wouldn't be able to do this!"

And he uses the same "curse" to destroy one of the palisman souls. He finally shows Hunter that it was him the whole time, controlling it. Hurting Hunter.

I don't know. I just think that's really sad.

tl;dr: Belos is a manipulative ass face and I'm glad he's dead

[keanoble]

OPEN COMMISSIONS!!

[numericalbridge]

I was thinking back to the time before the finale and how certain fans were really agressive and cruel towards Gus's (and sometimes also Willow's) fans. Just, painting Gus's fans as unreasonable haters for disliking how the show had treated him, to the point of throwing tantrums over - at the time the mere idea - that others might dislike that he won't get an arc in s3. Diminishing Gus's character to the point of comparing his importance to Matt and Steve, all the while talking down to anyone who didn't like the way he was side-lined, because the writers needed to be protected from every and all criticism because 'shortening'.

i even agree that there were unreasonable expectations for the toh's finale, and i don't think it is always a bad thing to point it out. But i also don't understand the way some fans just were/are plainly agressive to the very idea that someone might be disappointed or dislike the finale. And i think it is very, very telling when fandom is focusing on 'expecting Gus to have an arc in s3' specifically as an example of unreasonable expectations. At least i would understand if it was worded as critical of the show's previous writing choices like "it's sad, but unfortunately the writers are like this". Instead Gus's fans' disappointment (even potential disappointment at that time) about his lack of screentime was literally put on the same level as being disappointed by Matt and Steve - much more minor characters whose familial relationship was never brought up on screen - not having scenes together.

And then you would look through other tags on the blogs of the most vocal fans, and the same people would be 1. biggest Caleb&Evelyn fans lamenting over them being screwed up by the shortening 2. mean about Willow and erasing her from Luz's and Hunter's friends or laughing about not including her into fanworks and 3. so excited over the idea of Darius getting killed off for Hunter's sake, like someone had put that literally alongside raeda kiss in what they expected to happen in s3 - ok maybe this one particular incident was just a very unthoughtful wording and it wasn't meant to be read as a wishlist, but 80% of the time it's not just one thing, but a constant pattern of being weird about characters of color, and the fandom was in general obsessed with wanting to kill off Darius and Raine (but at least with Raine there was some push back).

Like, this is why you can tell when the problem isn't actually about being realistic about what could be fit in the shortened s3. Because apparently, according to those people, there was absolutely no time to fit in a few scenes to create an arc for Gus - someone who was supposed to be in the main character's core friend group since s1, who was in the intro, who had a couple of episodes about his development, and yet has been side-lined since s1. Expecting something more for his arc was unreasonable - despite Willow, who was also terribly side-lined in s2, finally getting something in s3. And Gus, who was meant to be at the least an important supporting character, is totally on the same level as Matt and Steve.

But at the same time apparently there was sooo much time in 2 episodes to properly develop Darius, a tertiary character, to make his death anything other than a blatant and cruel fridging for the sake of the white favourite? Or, is it more likely than the fandom didn't expect or want Darius to have that development and just thought it would be cool if he was killed off as a 'redemption' for being mean once? A death less impactful and less important for the other characters than a bird.

And then, of course, the fandom-wide trend of erasing Gus or turning him into a therapist for older characters receives less agressive pushback than Gus's fans feeling disappointed and criticizing the show.

[dejaroze]

Big fat rant about nothing, just me yapping about TOH’s ending under the cut🦟

Okay so obviously I have massive witterot but like it’s so severe like I’m so ill about 2 fictional dead guys and one has committed serval acts of genocide but HES HOT SO HEAR ME OUT

I wish we got more content regrading the trio ( Caleb,Philip, and Evelyn ) because all we got were the pictures in hollow mind, and even that wasn’t much. Like yeah, we know what happened, partially. And that’s only Philips POV too, so this part of the fandom is literally just living off of scraps

Call me crazy but, I think TOH would’ve been better if there wasn’t a happy ending. I am so tired of happy endings in shows, like if they’re executed well then I enjoy them, but if TOH was for a slightly older age group and didn’t end in sunshine and rainbows, I would’ve been so happy. Please let the villain win for once, that’s all I ask.

That’s not even me being biased about Belos and stuff, just genuinely, how did this man with centuries of experience get overthrown by a 15 year old girl who didn’t even have to do that much to earn it? Luz found out about glyphs like a week into the demon realm?! Excuse me?! Like I do sort of understand since Eda is a wild witch n all, she might’ve practiced this stuff before hand or May have books about it, but it’s clearly stated in s1 ep4 that she doesn’t know how witches used to do magic?

And even then that raises questions, did Belos completely erase the existence of glyphs from the public eye? Are there no books about this stuff? Did he just destroy all records of this stuff? And how did he do that? Was it before or after he became emperor? Because all we know is that he’s been in power for a little over 50 years out of the maybe 350-400 he tried to recruit people to his cause. How do people not question how this man stays alive?! We don’t know for sure how long witches live, and even if they do live that long in the sense they don’t questions Belos’s age, then wouldn’t some people from the 1600-1700s still be alive to call him out on his bs?

This is why if we had info on how long witches live, it would help plan the timeline out so much more.

Witches seem to age like humans do though, so I assume they would live 80 years on average like humans? Because Edas mom, depending on how old she was when she had Lilith, is actually the age most people would be when their kids are 40 or so.

ive had this in my head for awhile, I might be overanalyzing this quote but in s1 ep13, Principal Bump says “Only 300 years till retirement” but in the finale, 4 years later, he’s seen being retired. So maybe time runs differently in the demon realm? Or that quote could’ve been a joke, but still, that’s a thing.

Back to Luz’s magic development though, in the matter of like 2 months, she learned all 4 of the main glyphs meanwhile Philip learned them way later. Now yes, I know Philip did say “it’s almost as if the Titan wanted to keep them hidden from me.” BUT this raises another question!

Did Philip only start learning glyphs AFTER CALEBS DEATH? Because we know the Titan can look over the isles through the middle realm, and maybe he knew Philips intentions weren’t pure so he hid the glyphs, but also how does he still have the power to do that if he’s assumably been dead for thousands of years? I mean clearly it didn’t work, but it still hid them to some extent.

And when did Philip change his identity? We can assume it’s after he met the collector, but did the collector tell him to do all of that? HOW LONG HAS HE BEEN PLANNING THIS? Has he been planning this even before Caleb’s death? You would assume so.

My god this whole timeline is fucked

[kipkoh]

It still bothers me when people call TOH a dead fandom but I think it’s because people who say that have either never actually been in a dead fandom or are just blatantly refusing to engage with the plethora of fan works still being made. The fandom is definitely a lot slower than it was at its peak but people are wrongly assuming slower=dead. Artists can still post art and get hundreds-thousands of notes. There are tons of fanfic still getting posted to AO3 every single day. People on every app are still talking about it and having fun with it. These are not the markers of a dead fandom and it’s tiring to keep hearing people call it dead despite the many, many people still working to keep it alive

I think it’s fine to be nostalgic about what it was like two years ago but I wish people would stop acting like it’s faded into obscurity despite how immensely adored it was/is

[theonehitwonder]

hahhhh okay.

so I see your ‘Belos was a strange social outcast in the 1600s’ headcanons, and while interesting, I raise you:

Phillip was popular.

because really. This is the guy who managed to dupe the whole Isles into mostly falling in line for him. This is the dude who’s a chronic manipulator. This is the dude who basically talked his way into becoming the Emperor! He’s charismatic. He knows how people work. He knows how to talk to them.

So tell me this kid wasn’t the one who everyone liked! Paired with the devout religiousness and the penchant for conformity, he was probably the village darling! He was the kid who would let all the old ladies pinch his cheeks and would sit in the front row at church.

Bonus- Caleb was the social outcast. Of course he would turn to the demon realm- he was seen as a strange weirdo, and isn’t it such a shame that Phillip is being taken care of by that odd witch?

[eggcellentpufferfish]

Hello!! I've been using tumblr a bit more recently and so I was wondering if anyone wanted to be mutuals! :D

My interests include the magnus archives/protocol, malevolent, sherlock and co and sherlock BBC, good omens, madoka magic, gravity falls, toh and more (lots of anime, cartoons and podcasts)!

The music I like is Will Wood (I recently got into his music and omg it is consuming me) and music like Queen, the Beatles, some Nirvana and idk sorta just Dad music ig? (well the music my dad listens to at least)

I will mostly do brain and art dumps here but I also like to cosplay, rollerskate, do makeup, try crafts and music, read, sometimes write and more but my brain's too dead to think rn! :')