#Toh rant

[meltingchaos]

Parallels.

That same look. Disbelief, disgust, betrayal. Both human residents of the boiling isles ultimately couldn't forgive Belos, and with good reason. His efforts to 'save' humanity only resulted in his fellow humans hating him.

His responses to both of them are the same. Deflecting blame, twisting it to be on the witches, still ever evading the consequences of his own actions. He acts like both a victim and a hero, contradicting himself and desperately grasping at any excuse to believe that he's the good guy in this story. "I tried to save your soul, it's your fault this all happened" and "We're human, we're better than this". Masterful manipulation that's now easy for these two to spot. His facade is broken. 👏

Belos is a phenomenal villain and seeing the people he's hurt not say anything to him but instead give him this look is so powerful.

They didn't need to say anything. The glare was enough to make him squirm, panic and frantically scramble to defend himself. He doesn't have power over them anymore, nor can he hide from his actions. He's faced with a look that acknowledges his wrongdoings, forcing him to come face to face with them despite doing all he could to avoid them. Despite destroying the fonder memories of his brother, burning out his face to justify killing him. ('Hollowing' out his mind, if you will.) Despite every instance of him running from his past. All that comes back with this look.

He can't control his fellow humans anymore, he can't convince them and he certainly cant be seen positively or loved by them. In one look, he's lost.

[numericalbridge]

Another thing that gets me about the fandom's reaction to Darius is that, ok, even if you think there should've been a scene of him directly apologizing to Hunter, considering the age of the target audience... why is Darius specifically singled out and condemed for the absence of such a scene when there is a pattern in the show of the characters displaying 'worse' behavior in the beginning and then switching to a milder characterization without the narrative focusing on the change?

Amity making her abomination draw on Willow's forehead when they are all alone, s1 Lilith looking down on others and her weird comments about humans, Bump's characterization switch before and after Hunting Palisman, Alador playing with Bump's palisman (that helps him see!!!) while his daughter's friends are getting expelled, Collector seemingly acting gleefuly over others suffering in s2? Even many of Eda's interactions with King who is meant to be 8 old. And some of these you can interpret as intentional absense of the full info at the beginning and some of the switches might be excused with character development happening off screen (i even began to understand Bump's characterization switch better on the rewatch)... still in my opinion there is a certain writing awkwardness in many of these cases, and i find this pattern to be one of the flaws of the show.

Yet all these are often excused or even barely aknowledged by the fandom, and when not excused then are seen as flaws in the writing, but not the end of the world for those characters.

And, ok, i admit, i don't actually think Darius really falls into that pattern, i think his behavior is much more consistent than the examples above and more easily explained, if you think about his character for a moment and pay attention to his scenes instead of condeming him outright. I think his relationship with Hunter is a very straighforward case of the 'adult is mean to a child before getting attached' that is played out again and again in media, often with the adults being meaner and for a longer time towards even younger kids. And that trope should be examined critically too, sure, but why is the Black character condemed for it like this, but not all the white characters across all those other shows and books and games and comics? Although i do think there should've been a moment of Darius apologizing to Hunter or talking to someone else about his thought process, but i would want it more for Darius's own character, not because i think he did something so irredeemable.

So why is then Darius's case so different for the toh fandom specifically? If you (general you) also see all those other cases above as flawed writing, then why is only Darius so widely condemned as a person instead of looking at his writing from the same perspective? Especially since ASIAS had not even allowed Willow - a major character - to have a conclusion for her part of the story. Maybe a better point of discussion would be why toh's characters of color get less time dedicated to them and their development than white characters of the same narrative importance. Why did Alador get 2 episodes where he could verbalize his thoughts, why did Gwen get the resolution in one episode that still had some focus on her thought process and realization of her mistakes?

And if you don't see all those other cases as a writing flaw at all and think it is natural for all those other characters to have offscreen development or excuse everything - even the sidelining of Gus and Willow - with the shortening, then why is Darius viewed differently and why does he have to self-flagellate for his mistakes on screen or otherwise he is a considered a bad person in-universe and a bad character unworthy of positive attention?

Why was Camila also widely hated before s3 and had to 'prove' herself in the fandom's eyes by taking care of the white child and being a fellow pop-culture nerd all the while Eda had threatened an elementary schooler with physical violence over stealing her elixir and still was considered the best? How did the super fans manage to examine all those memory portraits and figure out the story for Caleb and Evelyn or invent a sob story for Graye after one episode, but the oddities with Darius's supposed villainy in ER or even his openly upset expressions during the Blimp scene in ASIAS didn't even register for them?

[dejaroze]

Ive Seen some weird shit today so here’s a little rant, aimed towards the TOH shipping community but can be used for any fandom-

Just because you ship one thing, doesn’t mean you can criticize other ships for no specific reasons.

I love a TON of ships, I don’t really stick to one and that’s the fun of it!

Here’s the thing, I know majority of the fandom that ships lumity is against lunter, I personally think both ships are fine, even though I prefer lumity way more.

Saying hunter and Luz are siblings is a HC, which I do believe, I love imagining them being siblings. THEY ARE NOT BLOOD RELATED, NOR IS HUNTER ADOPTED BY CAMILA. Hunter and Luz are both bisexual! Just because Luz is dating a girl, doesn’t automatically make her lesbian.

So yes, I see them as sibling coded. This doesn’t mean I go attack lunter shippers and accuse them of being pro shippers.

THIS GOES BOTH WAYS!

I see many lunter shippers trashing on lumity shippers, most for pure pettiness. A few of these people also trash on huntlow, which is a ship I adore but, everyone has their opinions of course. ( I personally HC Willow and hunter in a qpr )

CONCLUSION

Do not attack others for shipping things you don’t ship! ( unless it’s illegal, then yeah that’s weird asf )

[fruity-fruition]

A little Watching and Dreaming rant.

Personally, I loved the finale. But this is partially because i kept in mind how much The Owl House team got screwed over and how little time they had.

It did feel rushed but I feel like most of us already expected that, because obviously, and I think they did really well for people who had to shorten an ENTIRE SEASON. It did hurt though. Because you can so easily feel which scenes were supposed to be full episodes like The Collector's games, the Hexide kids being puppeteered, going through the memories with The Collector, the scene with King's dad. It felt so obvious that it was meant to be full episodes that it really stings at how horribly the higher-ups treated this show

that's why I'm also very impressed with it because even though they were given the shittiest deck of cards, the owl house team still managed to make a finale that a) doesn't confuse people and b) satisfy most of the audience (I'm still very feral over Adult Hexide Squad's haircuts and design and going absolutely BONKERS over canon Dadrius)

They did an incredible job and I can't thank them enough for putting so much love into this show. Is, and forever will be my comfort tv series. Byebye, Owl House :]

[existennialmemes]

Ok, so we know that canonically Amphibia and The Owl House take place in the same Universe (and Gravity Falls, but that's not relevant to this.)

And we know that, in TOH, there's the "In Between" place, and logically, one of the places it leads to is Amphibia.

The Collector made the permanent door to the BI, so theoretically, they could make Doors to other Places too.

Which means, if any of the Calamity Trio ever met anyone from the Hexsquad, and the topic of saving other worlds from ancient evils ever came up, they could get a permanent door to Amphibia.

And like, even if they couldn't make the door. Because they couldn't get ahold of The Collector on a whim, or because they're too afraid that the US gov will try to take over Amphibia again, Luz knows how to build a Door to the In Between

Which means Anne could at least talk to Sprig & the Plantars, through a mirror or something. Which is still 1,000x better than the heart breaking "have a good life, never see ya again" way that it actually ended.

Like, that is my least favorite trope in all of fantasy.

The idea of traveling to a different world. Then being imbued with God Powers

Then actually fucking dying and being reborn because the Will of Fate decided you needed to keep living.

Forging life and death bonds that transcend friendship and family.

Then it's just POOF ok back to academia and wage slavery and puttering out a mundane existence on this overheating rock.

Never experiencing the magic that you know is real ever again.

Never hearing from your found family ever again.

Like, I'm sorry, but I would simply perish. That's a nightmare I can't even imagine.

TOH did it right.

Everybody else take notes and fix it

[iamchaos1234]

[spoilers for all of The Owl House]

Short version: I love found family

Long version:

Eda, King, and Luz. The original three. One a witch, one a titan, one a human. Maybe King and Eda have always been close, since Eda found him on that island. But the progression of the three's bond throughout the series made me cry when I thought about it. It starts out as Luz just being a random human, a pawn they use to get back King's crown. Then Luz decided to stay, and it's quite clear Eda doesn't really care at the start. You can see how she clearly ignores Luz's wishes. But you see as season 1 goes on, Eda starts caring for her wellbeing and starts actually bonding and caring for Luz. But you really only see the full extent of Eda's newfound care for Luz in Agony of a Witch. Eda goes to save /her/ human from Lilith, despite knowing the dangers, despite knowing it was a trap, despite knowing her curse is getting worse and worse. And as her curse takes over, she thanks Luz. For being in her life. Luz fights ferociously to save Eda, stopping at nothing to save her Boiling Isles mom. Season 2, episode 1 Eda states that she uses the money they have to get special food for Luz instead of her apple blood, which she is shown to stop at nothing to get. You see the three's bond grow so much in season 2. Luz helps King through his identity crisis, and tries her very best to help him figure out who he truly is. At the end of season 2 Eda's concern for her two children is so great, she just wants them to be safe. They shouldn't have to go through this, since they are just children. But Luz is so desperate to help, to fix her mistake, to redeem herself for her part in this horror. In Clouds on the Horizon you can see Luz's concern for Eda and her plan. Both King and Luz are terrified, because Eda talks like she may never come back. After the Day of Unity when the Collector is taking King you can see just how desperate Luz is to save her found family, her brother and her mom, she wants so badly to save them, just to make sure they are okay. You can see how emotional both are, King thanking Luz, then for her wellbeing shoving her through the portal. Throughout Thanks to Them you can see all of that sadness and want and guilt well up in Luz, not even knowing if her owl mom and little brother are alright. Then, there is Watching and Dreaming. When they all reunite, they are so happy, just so thankful to see the others okay. Then there is the battle with Belos. Eda and King can only watch, as Luz saves the Collector from Belos. Which kills her, and she can't even get the words to tell them as she fades away. In the in-between realm, her inner thoughts say she should have thanked them. Just as they had to her. The absolute fury and anger from Eda and King is insurmountable. They went from a ragtag group, to a family. A true family. Their anger is so great they shift to forms we never have seen or see again, only showing themselves in their absolute despair over Luz's death. When Luz is revived their extreme joy and relief is so great, and it shows.

A witch, a titan, and a human. A mother, a son, and a daughter

Titan I love found family 😭 don't even get me STARTED on Hunter-

This has been a Chaos rant, thanks for reading ;)

[gummygoatgalaxy]

Ok so hear me out

Luz and Hunter being siblings is great, but if you ship Alador and Darius like me, then the thought Hunter and Amity being siblings is a possibility

And i feel like their sibling relationship, along with Edric and Emira, is absolutely wonderful and hilarious.

In short, Hunter Blight for the win

[gakriele-lvs-blog]

The Owl House overlooked/loose Plot treads (Updated)

There are a LOT of unresolved, unaddressed, and forgotten mysteries, characters, and plots that had to be cut short because of the shortening so... I decided to search and list as many of these as possible! Because there is just so much we missed and this is my way to cope.

Plot threads:

What was Darius's mentor's name? and why/how was he "eliminated"? (was he who inspired/influenced Darius to form his own rebellion?)

How did Darius even uncover the Draining spell? did he sneak inside Belos's office and snatch the paper? did he overhear Belos talking with the Collector? did the previous Golden Guard leave him some hints as to what Belos' plan was all about?

How did the CATTs (Amber, Derwin, and Skara) escape the Conformatorium after Eda's requiem? Did Raine break them out? was it Darius? Steve? [Possible Answer: it seems that the cell they were throw-in was actually open]

How did Bump manage to implement multitracking in Hexide? Assuming that at one point, the Emperor's coven sent an actual inspector to the school, how did the detention kids and Bump deal with that?

What about the other magic schools? we never got to see Glandus High or St. Epiderm.

What happened with the Greater Basilisk? It was implied that the emperor's coven took her so... is she dead?

How did belos revive the basilisks? was the Collector involved in that or did he figure out that one on his own? what method did he use? If the collector give him the draining spell, then what was even the point of resurrecting them in the first place?

What exactly is the relationship between Hunter and Darius like? mentor? father figure? friend? After giving Hunter a scroll and promising him to keep Flapjack secret we really never got a proper look at their relationship after all of that. After all of those years of giving Hunter the cold shoulder, Darius must have dedicated a lot of time to gain Hunter's trust.

Grimwalkers, how did Belos discover their existence? The only explanation that comes to mind is that he found the "recipe" in some forgotten temple or that The Collector help him develop it throught trial and error. Althrought the books Hunter found imply that the Demon Realm knows to a certain extent of their existence.

What was that little box containing the puzzle and map to the Titan's Blood? and who put it there and why? Because I genuinely find it disjointed from everything, like, not even a hint was placed about who made it and for who.

What happened to the other basilisk that escaped with Vee, and what was their relationship like? We know they are fine at the end but where did they go? Were they just hiding, or were they searching for Vee? Were they like siblings to her? if not then why bother to stick together? maybe they did care for her...

During Vee's flashback of her time in captivity, we saw 5 cages... We know who inhabited cages 5, 4, and 3. Assuming that the greater basilisk was part of this row of cages, we are missing one basilisk. Who are they and where did they go? What did Belos do to them?

What was the aftermath of Eda's first transformation into the Owl Beast like? what did Lilith do after Eda ran away? What was Gween and Deell's first reaction to the whole situation?

Who was the owner of the Bat Queen? After what was said in the last PostHoot, and the possible connection between her and the tower of the Owl House, well, now I really want to know who.

How many Titans/islands exit in the Demon Realm? We know that other landmasses exist beyond the Demon realm, but we only know of two civilizations, The boiling Isles and the Titan Trappers Island. Are there the only ones? are there more somewhere out there?

Luz and Vee's relationship. There are obviously some unresolved issues between them which we never got to see being resolved. How did Luz feel about Vee being a better daughter to Camila? about Vee making friends in only a few months while she never got one throught her whole life in the human realm? How did she feel about getting a new demon sibling after seemingly losing one just a few days/weeks ago?

Philip and Caleb's relationship. We can only assume and interpret things based on what we saw in Belos's mindscape and what Masha told the Hexsquad.

Evelyn and Caleb's relationship. During the last PostHoot Dana described their relationship as something that developed slowly, but apart from that, we have nothing

Philip's arrival to the Demon realm. We don't have any specifics about when and how Philip ended up in the demon realm, did he follow Caleb exactly when he crossed with Evelyn? did it take him years to muster the courage to cross the portal or find him or it took him years just to find him when already in the demon realm?

What's up with the other coven heads? Hettie Cutborn? maybe she is a buff vampire. Vitmir? no idea what his deal is but he is definitely evil. Osran? also evil, but in a more cynical way. Mason? He gives me family man vibes.

How did Masha and the other Cabin 7 kids feel about the real Luz? it wasn't even addressed how Vee feels about the whole situation, heck she seemingly replaced them with Luz's friends! there is just a lot to unpack there...

What exactly is Raine's relationship with their... apprentices? (Amber, Katay, and Derwin) how did they all meet each other and how did they end up forming the rebellion?

Amity's palisman, how and when did she get them? Was the Bat Queen involved? Was Ghost Odalia's palisman?

Darius and Eberwolf… They seem so close, yet so personality-wise so different from one another. Maybe one day we will see how deep their dynamic goes.

Steve and Matt, we know they are half brothers, but what is their relationship really like? Wouldn't be a surprise if Matt resents him for "abandoning" him for the Emperor's coven.

Flora D'splora's original role and relevance to the story. The crew released a painting that was meant to be part of Hollow mind's background that depicts an unsettling scene of Belos alongside Flora... What was supposed to mean? Was Florea meant to be an antagonist? Or was it all just because of driving Lilith to find the time pools?

Vee and Hunter are literally siblings: kids artificially created by Belos to accomplish a single purpose, had to lie about their identity to make friends, both belong to an extinct species, their names are literally just titles the dynamic between them was literally the thing I wanted to most from Season 3... cries

Viney, Barcus, and Jerbo. I genuinely wanted to see what their newfound freedom to study any type of magic led them to. Possibly nothing important but considerating how multitracking became a thing at one point during the second season...

Hunter, buddy, how did you not recognize Kikimora's voice in For the Future? you worked alongside her your whole life! Don't take this one seriusly

How did Camila and Vee's relationship develop after the lie was no more? we know that at the end Vee is practically a Noceda, but how did they both handle the aftermath of Yesterday's lie? Did Camila at one point resent Vee for what she did, aware that if it wasn't for Luz's arrival, the lie would have continued indefinitely? Did Vee apologize and/or told Camila why she did it? Again, there is a lot to unpack there.

Personally, considerating all of these, I believe that if the Owl House ever gets a spin-off, it needs to be about what we missed because of the shortening. Like, don't get me wrong, A Young Eda and/or Evelyn sounds nice but I don't think that a whole series dedicated to them is necessary. Why not a little bit of everything? 1 episode for each one of these, maybe 2 if it seems necessary. We can finally get some closure for some of the characters that suffered from the shortening (Vee, Darius, Raine, Bosha, the Catss, etc) and get some well-needed answers for much of everything.

If I miss something, make me know and I will add them!

[haystarlight]

Hey am I the only one who thinks the Bat Queen can't be the Titan's palisman because of the simple fact that we have no evidence that Titans used palismen at all?

Like, hear me out. I think palismen are only a witch thing. We have no evidence of Titans using palismen too.

If the Titan's magic is like the stuff Titan Luz was doing, then it's mostly glyph based and it seems each individual Titan has their own glyph language unique to them but they can also learn each other's glyphs (seen as how King learned his dad's glyph language).

So like, what's the point of a Titan having a palisman?

Witches mostly need their palismen to fly and, son of a gun, Titans have wings!! They can fly by themselves!! They don't need palismen to fly!!

And like, the Bat Queen is big but she's not THAT big. I don't think she's big enough to have been the Titan's palisman.

I will die on this hill. The only one that can change my mind is Dana.

Palismen are a witch invention!!! Titans did not use them!!!

[possibly-a-table-or-just-gay]

Alright, a little angst idea came into my head and now I need to share it.

So we all know Darius wears these long gloves in his S2 design.

And it's kind of excepted that they're just for the ✨aesthetic✨, or to fit into his germaphobe character. But do you remember when we all lost our shit over Hunter wearing gloves? Because what if one of the reasons he wears them is to hide scars from Belos/missions?!

But like there is so much angst potential if we apply that to Darius!!

We know that the previous golden guard was Darius's mentor, and that Belos has a habit of killing off his grimwalkers in really brutal ways. And well, witch burnings were a thing.

Imagine, Darius seeing the man he looked up to, trained under, and loved like a brother, go up in flames before his eyes. Imagine him plunging his hands into the blazing fire, to save him, to help, to do something. Imagine him being pushed away by heavy hands, his mentor shouting at him to keep himself safe, to run.

Imagine him seeing his hands covered in burns up to his forearms, scars healing magic couldn't fix. A constant reminder of the night he lost the person closest to him, the worst night of his life.

Anyway, gloves are cool.

[when-day-met-the-knight]

Hhhh just me spitting out thoughts,,,

Don't get me wrong I absolutely love that little huntlow moment where Willow cut Hunter's hair in the Thanks to Them montage but I KINDA wish it was Amity that stumbled across him and helped him cut it,,

Their only interaction was literally just Eclipse Lake and although we KNOW they don't hate each other it just kinda sucks that the last time we see Amity having to do with anything of Hunter, it's her glaring at him due to his double betrayal (and him looking moody when they had to rescue amity lmao). And it SUCKS bc Hunter (in Eclipse Lake) - although did only see Amity as a means to an end- was genuine when she eventually gave him the key (They DO have a lot in common I just kinda hate that that point was thrown out the window,,)

Also theres the point that Emira was the one who would always help Amity out with her hair. It would've been a nice parallel to see Amity helping Hunter out with his (Since Luz and him r siblings we could've gotten that sibling in law bonding :'))

[azural83]

They really went with the most boring arc for the collector huh

Look this character could be interesting,but they're pretty much a mix of different characters in the show and seems to take the spotlight from them by sharing similar characteristics, he's nothing but a poor sad little kid that just wants friends who was added to the show in the last minute at this point

It honestly wouldn't be so bad if belos wasn't such a perfect villain:/ the wittebane storyline is pretty underdeveloped and seeing it get brushed aside for the sake of collector is frustrating,now we're supposed to see that and literally everything else get resolved in a 40 minutes episode and at the same time deal with the collector's "miscommunication trope" problem

[numericalbridge]

One more rant and then i will move on. But one thing that i've noticed to happen several times is that fans would assume the worst of Darius or just use completely made up fanon or wrong dialogue to judge him harshly either in their own meta or in the notes of some one else's post - but when they are contradicted with canon-based analysis or questioned why they think this way, they admit that they actually don't remember the show that well and didn't actually rewatch or consider the canon scenes before making statements about Darius's character (and i have a feeling often they base their opinion on what was done in popular fanworks).

And, like, yes toh is a kid cartoon, i understand that most people watch it casually (i would've too if the mental illness hadn't won) and some people just don't remember things that well or don't have the access to the show to check, plus there are differences between dubs/subtitles and things lost in translation. So, just not remembering what a tertiary character had done or said is not a problem.

But i think it becomes a problem when someone makes a categorical statement about said character in the tags or writes a whole meta without ever checking whether it is something based in canon. Especially when it is a character who is already routinely demonized by the fandom. Especially when this leads to upholding not even headcanons but outright fanfic scenarios from popular writers as canon.

[dejaroze]

Big fat rant about nothing, just me yapping about TOH’s ending under the cut🦟

Okay so obviously I have massive witterot but like it’s so severe like I’m so ill about 2 fictional dead guys and one has committed serval acts of genocide but HES HOT SO HEAR ME OUT

I wish we got more content regrading the trio ( Caleb,Philip, and Evelyn ) because all we got were the pictures in hollow mind, and even that wasn’t much. Like yeah, we know what happened, partially. And that’s only Philips POV too, so this part of the fandom is literally just living off of scraps

Call me crazy but, I think TOH would’ve been better if there wasn’t a happy ending. I am so tired of happy endings in shows, like if they’re executed well then I enjoy them, but if TOH was for a slightly older age group and didn’t end in sunshine and rainbows, I would’ve been so happy. Please let the villain win for once, that’s all I ask.

That’s not even me being biased about Belos and stuff, just genuinely, how did this man with centuries of experience get overthrown by a 15 year old girl who didn’t even have to do that much to earn it? Luz found out about glyphs like a week into the demon realm?! Excuse me?! Like I do sort of understand since Eda is a wild witch n all, she might’ve practiced this stuff before hand or May have books about it, but it’s clearly stated in s1 ep4 that she doesn’t know how witches used to do magic?

And even then that raises questions, did Belos completely erase the existence of glyphs from the public eye? Are there no books about this stuff? Did he just destroy all records of this stuff? And how did he do that? Was it before or after he became emperor? Because all we know is that he’s been in power for a little over 50 years out of the maybe 350-400 he tried to recruit people to his cause. How do people not question how this man stays alive?! We don’t know for sure how long witches live, and even if they do live that long in the sense they don’t questions Belos’s age, then wouldn’t some people from the 1600-1700s still be alive to call him out on his bs?

This is why if we had info on how long witches live, it would help plan the timeline out so much more.

Witches seem to age like humans do though, so I assume they would live 80 years on average like humans? Because Edas mom, depending on how old she was when she had Lilith, is actually the age most people would be when their kids are 40 or so.

ive had this in my head for awhile, I might be overanalyzing this quote but in s1 ep13, Principal Bump says “Only 300 years till retirement” but in the finale, 4 years later, he’s seen being retired. So maybe time runs differently in the demon realm? Or that quote could’ve been a joke, but still, that’s a thing.

Back to Luz’s magic development though, in the matter of like 2 months, she learned all 4 of the main glyphs meanwhile Philip learned them way later. Now yes, I know Philip did say “it’s almost as if the Titan wanted to keep them hidden from me.” BUT this raises another question!

Did Philip only start learning glyphs AFTER CALEBS DEATH? Because we know the Titan can look over the isles through the middle realm, and maybe he knew Philips intentions weren’t pure so he hid the glyphs, but also how does he still have the power to do that if he’s assumably been dead for thousands of years? I mean clearly it didn’t work, but it still hid them to some extent.

And when did Philip change his identity? We can assume it’s after he met the collector, but did the collector tell him to do all of that? HOW LONG HAS HE BEEN PLANNING THIS? Has he been planning this even before Caleb’s death? You would assume so.

My god this whole timeline is fucked

[qcoded]

I'm so fucking depressed over Belos and The Collector it's not even funny at this point 💔

Don't get me wrong, I know damn well that their relationship was never meant to work out. Belos mainly just wanted to manipulate that kid, not denying that!!!!

Not depressed over what they turned out to be, more about what they could have been.

Like please, in some other universe where Belos wasn't as horrendous as he was, or where he maybe had a better relationship with The Collector, man it would have probably been one of the best relationships (for me atleast) on the show :((

We don't really know if they actually bonded over all those years, but I feel like they just had so much in common if you look at it (ex: siblings who were their legal guardian technically abandonded them)

Like!!! Please!!!! They could have formed such a damn intimate understanding of eachother, and found comfort in the other. And maybe, just maybe Belos could have been redeemed perhaps

Honestly this rant makes no sense but yeah I love them

[ghastly-glimmer]

people keep saying "how did belos not know that was the titans heart" or "why did he not use it for anything" but like

1- im 99% sure he knew it was the titan's heart, like im pretty sure it is explicately referred to as the titans heart earlier in the series (correct me if im wrong), i just dont think belos ever considered posessing it to be a possibility because he thought it was yk dead, despite the heart still beating, but he didnt put 2 and 2 together until the collecter basically says "yeah the titans still alive lol"

2 - also he kinda did use it for something- as a symbol of power, and sure he could have sliced it open and got a shit tonne of titans blood or whatever, but then he wouldnt have the titans heart, and having the heart there, beating, untainted as a symbol of his authority and power and as a justification for his wierd religion is far more valuable than anything he could get fucking with it, his whole schtick was built on the fact that HE spoke for the TITAN, that what HE said was what the TITAN said, that HIS will was the TITANS will and the heart was integel to that and without it he wouldnt have gotten to where he was nearly as easily.