#The ship of Theseus paradox

[gracebethartacc]

FINALLYYYYYYY ITS REALLLLLL

SHIP FANS HERES YOUR FEAST. ENJOY.

CO-WRITERING AS WELL AS ABSOLUTELY GORGEOUS ART BY @hydemercats !!!!

[crimsonterror577]

I spent way too much time on this for the little attention it ended up getting. Either way, I hope Tumblr likes this piece. If you want the full context and concept for this, then hit me up, and I'll give you link for it.

A Ship of Theseus, and a Drone of Tessa, a Murder Drones concept.

[evilkitten3]

me: i fixed your ship theseus: this isn't my ship

[some-murmurings]

somewhere along the way, a whole lot of people concluded that "metaphor" meant "false" and "illusion" meant "lie"

furries are not animals. they are humans. you can tell because, first of all, they are made of the same people meat everyone else is. not a flawlessly deductive argument, no, but a very robust induction nonetheless.

furries are not humans. they are animals. you can tell because, first of all, they will tell you that. at great length. repeatedly. bc we are all autistic. not a flawlessly deductive argument, no, but a very robust induction nonetheless.

being a furry is, as the eminent philosopher Patricia Taxxon (@patricia-taxxon) defined it, a concession to the symbolic and the sensory. humans are already mammals, that some of us find more of ourselves in fur than skin is not news.

Traumagenic, Endogenic, & whatever-a-tulpa-is-genic systems both are and are not multiple people in one body. We are a body experiencing consciousness in a non-singular way. We are reality viewing itself through a kaleidoscopic fractal fraction of the infinitely fractal kaleidoscope that is human experience. That we see more of ourselves in a group than an individual is not news either.

God is not real. God is also real. God is a metaphor. Maybe. God tends to elude definition, a defining tendency itself, if you wanna try & wrap your already aching brain around THAT.

That furrydom, systemhood, and theology are all metaphorical and illusory is not a reduction of their truth but instead are their nature. Life is metaphorical and illusory. Motion is a logical inconsistency. Plato, the stupidest man to ever live (other than every other person), said that time itself was "the motion of eternity." He was talking about clouds passing in front of the sun. He was also right. For once. The metaphor and the illusion ARE the truth of it. Samsara take us all, Brahman ur Atman, man, no one else can do it for you.

Every paradox I've mentioned is solved by shutting the fuck up and being kinder. Listen. Speak. Agree. Disagree. Love. Hate. they're all the same and completely different.

In my experience, hope is just despair after a shower, death just rot becoming regrowth. calling my metaphor a metaphor derogatorily does nothing but make you look like a dumb asshole. calling your own metaphor not a metaphor has the exact same effect.

[mellorphic]

Crime Boys on Theseus’ Ship

@wolfythewitch (Brother animatic) // Richard Siken // knp!!! (Saint Bernard Animatic) // The Soccer Journals by Everybody’s Worried About Owen // my rp with @racklime // Theseus by The Oh Hellos // Late-August (lapse animatic) // Alice Notley // @holly-warbs // Alexis Pauline Gumbs

[curestardust]

"Hi, I'm Charlton! This is my friend, Pickles! He is the most special dog I've ever seen!" Pickles Trailer - "The Fluffy Philosopher"

[spicy-cleanness]

so there's a moment in the world's end, where gary appear in front of musketeers in the car.

"wow it's exactly like your old car"

"it IS the same car, I just changed..." and he starts to name details. but he names probably all details that car may have.

so basically he says "it's the same car, I just changed one by one every part of it, but it's the same".

this is a theseus ship paradox in a nutshell.

according to wiki: "if each individual part of the Ship of Theseus was replaced, one at a time, was it still the same ship?"

if each individual part of the Beast was replaced, one at a time?...

and my thought was "huh. they putted theseus ship in gary's words, who definitely know nothig about paradox. funny".

and then they go to the town.

and find out they don't feel any joy of it.

"the town is the same. we changed".

and then they find out blanked.

"we're the same. town changed."

but. the question is. if every citizen was replaced by blanked, one at a time, is it the same town?

[i-looove-dillydallying]

Currently pondering whether the Ship of Theseus Paradox can be applied to the Doctor… I believe the concept was subtextually touched upon through a conversation between the 12th doctor and the Half-face man in the season 8 premiere “Deep Breath”

[aria0fgold]

She never left

Hero used No Therapy?

It's super effective!

Missing Ladies In Your Area took 143 damage!

[mightygadia]

Been a while since that last time I drew my dnd party together, only one of the og party members remains (they didn't die!! they were swapped out for new characters and became npcs)

[gracebethartacc]

Dawg this Hyperfixation be damned mr Jash got me drawing a freaking bowt

also doodle by @hydemercats (who is gonna make Theseus design bc of the 6th song) (also they made a whole ass playlist for this damn ship /affectionate)

[owneviltwin]

I hereby present you a modern version of Ship of Theseus - The Oreo Cookie paradox:

Originaly, the Oreo was a dark brown cookie with milk filling. Then they started to add different flavours to the creme - mint and strawbery and pumpkin spice. Then they introduced white cookie with different fillings and also white cookies with brown creme. The problem: when the Oreo cookie stops being Oreo and starts to be a whole different thing? What makes Oreo an oreo. Is there some universal oreoness common to every oreo cookie?

[mremusings]

Conundrums of Consciousness: Navigating the Mind-Bending World of Philosophical Paradoxes

Philosophical paradoxes, challenging perceptions and pushing intellectual boundaries. Explore conundrums such as the Ship of Theseus and Schrödinger's Cat, revealing the complexities of existence and prompting reflection on uncertainty.

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[girl4music]

Is Angel/Angelus one in the same? The Thought Experiment/Paradox of The Ship (or Two Ships) of Theseus

Without outright mentioning Angel/Angelus, there is another way I understand this philosophical thought experiment/paradox about whether a person is the same person if all of their “parts” are removed and replaced by other completely different “parts”.

I fundamentally view life - self and that of other - as one in the same principle and process. That being said - this means that I do not need to see two entirely different people sharing the same physical body to understand that they’re not two entirely different people. I understand energy fundamentally and the scientific concept of energy transference and transformation. That of thermodynamics, cosmology, physics, biology, psychology, neurology etc… Meaning that I understand the nature of the “internal” and the “external” and the relationship and connection between them fundamentally. However, I predominantly understand all of that philosophically and theologically as opposed to experimentally and empirically as an actual scientist would. So thought experiments are my area of expertise - my niche. I consider and affectionally call myself a ‘creative theorist’ because I hypothesise my experiments. I don’t practically do them. When it comes to the subject of the science of physics specifically - there’s either a theoretical physicist (philosopher or mathematician) or an experimental physicist (engineer or inventor). Both explain the complex interactions between matter and energy but one predominantly does the explaining and the other does the experimenting. Think Albert Einstein vs Benjamin Thompson. One is noted for extremely genius thought experiments eventually confirmed to be correct, the other is known for correct evaluations that build on the philosophical implications of the evolution of physical theory. They’re very different physicists but they very much contribute to the understanding of the physical world not actually being as physical as we experience it to be. That of the sensory relationship that we have with it and because of it being sensory, also experienced physically on the Universal scale when it isn’t on the Planck scale and that these two dimensions are connected despite the discrepancies.

So I have no difficulty in understanding that the Two Ships of Theseus are still entirely the same Ship. So that means that I don’t have much difficulty in understanding that Two People sharing One Body are still entirely the same Person either. The Ship (object) and the Person (consciousness) are made of the same stuff - that “stuff” being atoms or atomic particles: electrons, neutrons, protons and the charges conducted to make them all function together.

So you could say that both my scientific side and my philosophical side put the pieces of the puzzle together to further aid my understanding of this whole Angel/Angelus paradox of whether he is actually two entirely different people/entities instead of having undergone immense changes throughout his many years of life of which immediately breakdown when magic gets involved and complicates the whole identity/personality issue of which makes it seem like there is some form of possession going on with him each time he both loses/regains his soul. I.e Does Angel possess Angelus/does Angelus possess Angel?

It’s a difficult concept to grasp but bear with me.

What I think is actually happening is a mental disorder manifested through extreme and constant psychological and physiological trauma. I have already compared this to Willow/Dark Willow which nobody has any problem understanding as the same person. Mostly because it makes complete sense why it happens. And there’s no “vampire with a soul” context with it. There’s a vampire without a soul but that’s a whole other discussion entirely. Vampire Willow is a subject I will return to at some point in analyzing this vampire lore concept - don’t worry. But for “Willow”/“Dark Willow” we know it’s ‘just Willow’. There’s no split-divide identity/personality going on other than the one Willow wants to create for herself to remove her “self” from the pain/grief of losing Tara but also comes right back into first-person whenever she talks about Tara and how she’s able to make her feel. Wonderful, special, loveable, powerful etc… What Willow is doing is unconsciously splitting herself into two entirely different people because she cannot face the reality of the situation in front of her as Willow - only as Dark Willow. Basically choosing to accept and embrace her new evil persona because she believes her good persona isn’t good enough to do the job. A job of which she employs on herself as her responsibility and loyalty to Tara. To kill Warren. To avenge her death. She allows the power and the darkness to take over her. But it’s still just Willow. There’s no demonic possession, there’s no demon escaping from incarceration in an alternative verse. It’s just Willow letting the darkest magic control and corrupt her while she is riddled with anger and hate. The only emotions she can feel are animalistic ones and even they’re rapidly becoming numb as time goes on drugged up with insanely powerful black magicks. So she removes herself from it all by creating a distinction between who she was and who she is. Speaking in third-person, insulting and attacking herself. Hating on her very existence as just Willow much like Faith does when she’s in Buffy’s body. As the Rolling Stones song goes; her world is painted black. Nothing matters anymore but to go with it as the YouTuber Faith Victoria (also known as @willnotacceptalifeundeserved) so beautifully demonstrated in their Dark Willow character study video using a cover rendition of that song.

Now, for me, Angel/Angelus isn’t really that much different to Willow/Dark Willow. I very much perceive the split-divide identities/personalities thing as him splitting himself so as to deal/not deal with his own complex trauma. The only thing is it’s much more complicated because there’s SO. MUCH not explained, not shown, not explored with the dichotomy. At least of what I’ve seen so far. I’ve only just started watching ‘Angel the Series’ last night and I’ve only got passed 4 episodes that don’t mention anything about the vampire lore that I don’t already know. So until I can get more information which I’m sure will affect my perspective on this whole thing, I cannot really see it any other way but split-personality disorder - a learned coping mechanism for escaping/avoiding his emotions. I can’t see it as a demonic possession as ‘BtVS’ treats it because there’s memories, there’s traits, there’s skills, there’s qualities - there’s a whole ship of consciousness that Angel and Angelus both retain of each other every time they lose their soul and regain it again. His whole psyche is intact - it’s just severely disordered. Which is totally understandable given his experiences as both sides of himself. Both sides of the ship sailing on tumultuous water. The deconstructed one and the reconstructed one. The “parts” have changed, sure. But what it is, what it stands for, what it represents is still there. Therefore, it is absolutely entirely the same built ship!

Angel/Angelus is, to me, absolutely entirely the same person. That’s the only reason why his redemption story in ‘BtVS’ and ‘AtS’ holds any real weight to it. Angel/Angelus is the The Ship (or Two Ships) of Theseus that never stops sailing because he never grows - just transforms. That’s all that’s happening. It’s just happening in such a way where it’s not seen because the supernatural does not work with physics. I know Willow would probably attack me for saying that but it’s true - at least as far as time-space goes. And Angel/Angelus just bypasses the boundaries of it because he’s not compatible with it.

[maretriarch]

becoming very clear that the new hs2 team is trying their best but the story was already so fucked up when they got to it so now its doomed to fail despite best efforts

its really not their fault the characters are ooc they always were so if they suddenly bacame in character...that would also be ooc. also at this point we are so far away and so many iterations away from like the prime of homestuck i dont think any 2 homestuck fans would actually agree on whats "in character" anymore