#The Acolyte critical
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I have to echo this posters point. Dogma? It’s literally part of life. Death is a natural part of life. Anakin didn’t want to listen to that advice. He wanted to hear something that made him feel good. The Sith abused him. The Jedi did not. Were there individual Jedi that weren’t very nice to him? Absolutely the Jedi order is filled with individuals and they can make mistakes. But the order as a whole? It’s a force of good and it is shown to be good for him. Sith are again people are OK with making a fascist Nazi as government and committing several genocide’s and deaths on a Galactic scale why? Because they can.
To a phrase from legends that pretty much states the intent of the Sith order. “We will take what we can because we are Sith. We can do this because we have power.” Their pursuit of power, corrupt them. It is ultimately a selfish desire. Osha falling to the dark side is not triumph. It’s a tragedy. This girl has given into her hatred, and as a result, she is vulnerable to not only her own deep, dark desires that are clearly shown not to be good for her, but also evil man that will take advantage of her and abuse her.
i think it's great that people who've suffered religious trauma feel a connection to anakin. i also think it's deeply troubling that the majority of them are either unable to recognize or unwilling to admit that the religion he was indoctrinated into and abused by was the sith and not, in fact, the jedi.
#missing the point#anti acolyte#anti the acolyte#the acolyte critical#acolyte critical#anti leslye headland#leslye headland critical#anti oshamir
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Now that the trailer is out, it's probably best that I get this out of the way before acolyte releases
The Jedi are right about the Force and the dark side
The Jedi did not lose their way
The Jedi were not corrupted
The genocide of the Jedi was not their fault
The Jedi are not wrong for being part of the Republic, it is in fact a good thing
The Jedi are not arrogant for thinking the sith are gone
and while we're at it the sith are evil, always, end of discussion
The Jedi do not steal children
If someone wants to leave the Jedi, that's allowed, no one will stop them
The Jedi are right about attachment
Attachment is not love (SW uses the Buddhist definition because Lucas is a Buddhist and the Jedi are based off Buddhist monks, Buddhism defines attachment as being possessive or unwilling to let go of people or things)
The Jedi do not forbid emotions, they forbid being controlled by your emotions, you must control them
The Jedi are not forbidden from loving people, nor are they celibate, they just can't get married (big whup) because their duties must come first
Being peacekeepers doesn't preclude the Jedi from fighting in war, sometimes to keep the peace you have to fight back, especially when its against tyranny, see WWII (or Ukraine today)
Gray jedi are not a thing
The Jedi are not slavers or complicit in slavery
Oh and of course, the Jedi are not elitists for not training non Force sensitives, (Han voice) that's not how the Force works, dave filoni broke the rules so he could shoehorn sabine into a Jedi (to give the benefit of the doubt, I do believe sabine's role as ahsoka's apprentice was meant for an original character but things got condensed by executives, so maybe filoni isn't entirely to blame here)
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The Jedi are not cops
The Jedi are not the government/the rulers of the Republic/galaxy
The Jedi do not persecute other Force groups
Padawans are not child soldiers
Feel free to add anything I forgot
Do not, DO NOT!! add anything Jedi critical, I'm done with it and won't hear it, don't have something nice to say? Then go away, I will block on sight, either reblog without comment (either in the reblog or the notes) or don't interact at all
#wooloo-writes#wooloo writes#star wars#sw#jedi#jedi order#pro jedi#in defense of the jedi#the acolyte critical#the acolyte#sw acolyte#anti the acolyte#anti acolyte#acolyte critical#star wars the acolyte#anti filoni#anti dave filoni#dave filoni critical#the jedi were right#the jedi did nothing wrong#george lucas#anti gray jedi#anti grey jedi#attachment is not love
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It seems like the height of arrogance to look at a story like Star Wars with some of the most blatantly obvious and evil villains in the history of sci-fi/fantasy and when asked "What went wrong to cause the situation we see in the main story" the answer isn't "the villains were working for years to undermine the heroes from the shadows piece by piece until they were able to topple everything and murder everyone" but, somehow, "the heroes were actually the REAL villains all along because they have a religion they follow and don't immediately believe everything they're told point blank."
#star wars#jedi#pro jedi#anti acolyte#anti the acolyte#the acolyte critical#acolyte critical#the acolyte negativity#acolyte negativity#leslye headland critical#sith#sith are never “the underdog”#and even if they are it doesn't make them the sympathetic good guys#if they're an underdog that's a GOOD THING#they SHOULD be an underdog all the time#because people SHOULD be standing up to them and keeping them from succeeding#if the jedi are an institution then they're a peaceful one that works#they're the institution you WANT#fuck off making out like the sith are equivalent to the rebellion and the jedi are equivalent to the empire
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Imma be for real for a moment here, the fandom's and newer Star Wars media's treatment of the Jedi genuinly killed of any interest I had in it. I mean, why should I keep being invested in a media that continuously keeps shitting on my favorite characters and tries to make them worse than they are? What reason do I have to continue interaction with a fandom that's not only toxic as hell but also irrationally hates my favorite characters? And ontop of that keeps harassing anyone who does like them about how "wrong" they are? I used to genuinly enjoy Star Wars, but now? Now it's like this one estranged uncle that used to be cool in your childhood until he fell into some weird politics. All I have left over for the media and his fandom is mild disgust and annoyance. And that sucks! Because I used to really like that stuff. And I'd have loved it if I was able to continue liking it. But with the way it's going right now I really can't.
#star wars#jedi appreciation#jedi positive#pro jedi#anti star wars fandom#the acolyte critical#anti the acolyte#anti star wars disney
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Yeah, kills aren’t supposed to be satisfactory. They’re supposed to be morally reprehensible. Good grief is this woman could turned into my new Karen Traviss, where I use her writing style as a punching bag? Cause it seems like she missed the complete other point of Star Wars.
the entire leslye headland collider interview is a hot mess but this exchange especially is driving out of my mind. in what galaxy are these people living?? in any other work, someone forgiving you even as you kill them would be the ultimate expression of compassion and unconditional love. that is so, so good! it's delicious and heart-wrenching, i love it!
but to these people, it's... taking away the killer's agency?? what??? so now luke skywalker throwing away his lightsaber and telling darth vader that he won't fight him in return of the jedi (1983) is taking away vader's agency? adding insult to injury? and not, i don't know, the other third guy in the shadows making them fight in the first place?
also, IN WHAT UNIVERSE ARE KILLS SUPPOSED TO BE SATISFACTORY. THIS ISN'T A VIDEO GAME!!!
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Ahh, and THERE it is… 🙃🙃
I have kept my opinions mostly to myself about The Acolyte, because I wasn’t planning on watching it until seeing where it went with the Jedi. Almost everything in SW media has an element of Jedi criticism (sadly 🙄), so I knew that would be a given with this show, so I was holding off on any total judgment until the end.
One thing I KNEW I would despise and would make me not ever watch it is if they actually made canon that the Jedi brutally murdered an entire coven of witches and COVERED UP A MASSACRE (wtf on that part, because they would NOT cover it up, even if they’d made a mistake). Apparently, it is not as bad as I feared, and they don’t destroy the Jedi Order’s characterization entirely.
But THIS line. 🥶🤢
With THIS line that is apparently written in the newest episode—that’s it. You’ve lost me.
Because THIS line is just straight up genocide apologia.
Ohhh, of course they don’t come outright and SAY, “Loool, those space wizards deserved what they got! 🤪🤪✊”, but the implication is pretty clear, all the same.
From the very beginning, I knew the showrunner of The Acolyte didn’t like the Jedi or their culture, and said that her show “wouldn’t be kind to them.”
And I could’ve lived with just the stupid vagueness of portraying the Jedi as a pompous bureaucracy (because it’s just an infectious opinion that’s spread through most of the fandom), without FULLY condemning The Acolyte and declaring the show a terrible portrayal of the Jedi and their morality and culture, along with the CANON aspects of the Dark Side being a cancer in The Force that does nothing but make people miserable and cause imbalance in The Force.
But with THIS LINE that is SO clearly a wink and a nudge to the SW fans who believe the Jedi ‘deserved what they got’… 🙄🤢… I’m sorry, but they’ve officially lost me. 😬🤷♀️
There are things that I’d probably like, if I ever can make myself stomach getting through the show: seeing how different cultures view The Force, seeing more of the Jedi Order/culture/Temple/how they teach their students, the characters Sol and Jecki and Yord and Osha—even seeing Jedi fighting style being so different and more defensive while trying to not use their lightsaber unless necessary, since they are in a time of peace.
But for the most part?
With THIS frankly DISGUSTING line, I can say with absolute certainty that The Acolyte is a show that I would never enjoy, and that is frankly not a welcome addition to the SW universe to me.
I appreciate the diversity inclusion, and I find myself relating to that meme that says something like: “When you hate a show, but then realize the other people that hate it are mostly bigots, 🙃🙃” because—unlike THOSE moronic dudebros—my criticism is for the story itself.
It’s a genuine shame. It’s such an interesting premise, getting to see the Jedi in the High Republic Era. But with this… I now know that The Acolyte is a show not worth my—or ANY OTHER pro Jedi fan’s time. 💔😔🤷♀️😬
Only thing I’ll say in defense of it: Mr. Sith (?) IS hot. 🔥❤️🔥
And that’s the only other praise I can give. 🤷♀️
Loool, sorry for the rant. I’m just so pissed off. 😭🤷♀️😂
#star wars#the acolyte#sw the acolyte#star wars the acolyte#the acolyte negativity#the acolyte critical#the acolyte salt#anti the acolyte#in defense of the jedi#pro jedi#pro jedi culture#pro jedi council#pro jedi order#jedi#in defense of the jedi order#star wars meta#sw meta#sw#sw fandom#in defense of the jedi council#anakin skywalker#ahsoka tano#star wars the clone wars#anakin skywalker critical#anti jedi bashing#nothing but love for the jedi#this is a pro jedi blog#pro jedi blog#jedi genocide#order 66
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*watches Sith kill his friend with his bare hands*
"He dropped his saber. The Jedi Code demands that I let him recover and escape."
#andor season two can't come fast enough#leslye headland scheduled Harvey Weinstein's meetings#anti the acolyte#the acolyte critical#the acolyte#master sol#qimir#leslye headland#lee jung jae#osha aniseya#mae aniseya#yord fandar#star wars memes#star wars#darth vader#rey skywalker#kylo ren#obi-wan kenobi
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can I say something. Headland was so caught up in Enemies to Lovers that she forgot to develop anything between the characters. ok that's it.
#0shamir will be the death of me#nothing!!! happened!!!#acolyte critical#slightly#i do have many problems with the show#imo first 4 episodes were pretty great and 7 was good too#5 was traumatizing but well done#and osha and the guy's relationship was awful#k<3 that's all i wanted to say<3#the acolyte critical
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The thing is, I’m disappointed in how the story in The Acolyte is being told, but because it has a diverse cast, I’m worried Disney executives are going to blame people’s criticisms and dislike of the show on the cast instead of the writing. I don’t want it to be a case of “See? People of color just don’t draw audiences in, it’s not financially beneficial to us to invest in stories with them as the leads”. It’s unfair to place blame on the cast when their presence is not the cause of a story’s failure. It’s clear the actors did what they could with what they were given but what they were given is mediocre and amateur writing and directing at best
#I have the same complaints about bad storytelling with the Willow tv show and female Ghostbusters movie#And a hundred other things#Most regular people didn’t dislike them because of female leads or people of color or LGBT+ characters#They disliked them because they had terrible stories and scripts and characters!#The Acolyte critical#I’ll fish out the criticisms of the other episodes later but I would really just rather have a good story
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Yeah guys, the visual for Sol’s Crystal turning red and the blade slowly changing WAS very cool and done well. But that’s not how you bleed a kyber crystal.
You can’t do it in the heat of the moment. You can’t do it without knowing it.
Kyber crystals are semi-sentient beings. They choose their wielders and they resist being turned to the Dark. In order to force one to the dark side, you need to break it, put it through so much pain and suffering and trauma that even if it’s eventually healed, it will never return to its original color.
It will scream and resist every step of the way. A darksider will be given up to three highly symbolic force visions essentially begging them not to do this extremely fucked up and evil thing, not to torture a living, feeling being for their own power.
In order to do it, you need to know what you’re doing, why you’re doing it, and how you’re going to do it. You have to meditate with it, completely defenseless because you can’t use the blade while you’re bleeding it (would break your concentration) and it’s nowhere near instantaneous.
If they wanted to have a cool moment to show Osha turning to evil, just make her eyes turn yellow, which is honestly a more well-know evil transformation imo (this is the first time we’ve actually seen a Kyber being bled in live action while Anakin’s eyes turning yellow is an iconic shot). Don’t ruin one of the coolest bits of Star Wars lore.
#star wars#is this the original post tag#i really love bleeding kyber crystals ok I think they’re such a good part of the lore#and i hated how it was done here#the acolyte spoilers#the acolyte critical#the acolyte#the acolyte star wars#sw the acolyte#star wars the acolyte#kyber crystal#bled kyber crystal
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POV: you're thinking about all the lost potential that The Acolyte had
#Chance to have a live action look into the Jedi Order during the High Republic era: thrown away#Nice set of characters with compelling stories/personalities/relationships: wasted#The dialogue and pacing was so bad holy moly#And the overuse of the trope “person disappearing without a sound while the other is not looking” is WILD#Star Wars#The Acolyte#Master Sol#Jecki Lon#Yord Fandar#Yord The Acolyte#Master Indara#Sol Patrol#Mae Aniseya#Osha Aniseya#Qimir#Yord Horde#Sol The Acolyte#The Acolyte Critical#What is this choppy storytelling I'm at loss for words#<- clearly delusional person who is still surprised about this even after 4 other crappy sw shows#Andor not included
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I honestly can’t bring myself to really care much about the acolyte cancellation like i really just feel bad for the actors and people of color who are being negatively effected by the rampant racism
But on the other hand, I don’t really want more of the bury your gays even if its your best selling point, “lightsabers are phallic” (yknow the religious symbol of a Jedi’s life), Sith are sexy show and its straight up bad writing
#also ive been seeing a lot of stuff ab the acolyte being this revolutionary show and like it wasn’t??#like the story itself is not anything new except the time period#sw#star wars#the acolyte critical#can’t people just be kind to actors for once jesus fuck#not to mention they never confirmed within the text who was actually queer only in interviews#idk i think thats weird
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the thing is that i don't think that every story has to be morally upstanding, or that liking 'problematic' stories necessarily reflects on your morals in real life. i personally love tragedies, corruption arcs, evil characters committing evil deeds without a single ounce of regret, things i would be horrified by and always strive to work against in real life
the problem arises when the creator and audience, out of universe, talk about the corruption and evil like they are things to aspire to in real life. the entire point of 'make each other worse and be actual villains together' stories is that it's bad. it's in the word. i enjoy these narratives because they're spectacles to me; i don't want to be them. acting like they're something to want to live and celebrate and not something dark and horrific that's been twisted by an unreliable narrator takes out everything that makes them appealing to me. your 'let's be villains together' message is completely undercut if at every turn you're insisting, 'no actually the jedi were the villains all along and their fall was good and justified'
i don't even think that every story in the star wars universe has to be morally upstanding. i would welcome a well-written story from the perspective of a sith. but headland seems to think that turning to the dark side and being a sith feels good
in the star wars universe, being a sith doesn't feel good. this is established canon through every sith in every continuity. being a sith feels terrible. it's killing your own loved ones and regretting it and stewing in your own despair for twenty years because you're in too deep and this is all that's left for you. it's being abandoned by your own master and suffering in a literal trash heap for a decade. it's brainwashing your own brother who hauls you out because this is the only companionship you know, only for him to be killed by your master and you to be abandoned a second time. it's feeling empty and killing to fill the hole in yourself, but all that does is make you feel emptier and you will never feel satisfied no matter how much you kill, no matter if you kill a whole planet, because killing. doesn't. heal you. it's forcing yourself to stay alive through pain and hatred and anger even as your body is falling apart around you. it's betrayal and backstabbing at every turn. and always, always, always, the consequences of your actions catch up to you
so really this entire series is adding insult to injury to me
#midtalks#star wars#the acolyte critical#leslye headland critical#meta#sorry for impromptu love letter to the sith at the end but we were so robbed
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I really hate that "eventually one of you is going to snap" bit, because it's obviously referring to Anakin while completely misunderstanding the point of Anakin
Anakin did not snap because he was forced to control his emotions (I mean you could say he snapped with the tuskens, but that's him snapping because he stopped trying to control himself), he chose the dark side, that's how it works, the dark side is not some thing you do subconsciously and have no control of and is therefore "not reeeeeaaaaally evil" (as headland so obviously believes), it's a choice, it's evil, it's giving up on being in control and indulging in your baser desires
Really Anakin only snapped AFTER he turned to the dark side, when he lost his shit and started strangling Padme, when he had already betrayed the Jedi/Republic, murdered children, and destroyed democracy
The idea that he snapped just seems like more of that "he wasn't really in control of himself therefore he's not culpable for his actions" crap
#wooloo-writes#wooloo writes#star wars#sw#anakin skywalker#anti anakin apologist#anti anakin apologists#anti anakin#anti anakin skywalker#anti anakin skywalker stans#anti anakin stans#anti leslye headland#leslye headland critical#acolyte critical#anti the acolyte#the acolyte critical#anti acolyte#pro jedi#in defense of the jedi#the jedi did nothing wrong
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I'm not a huge fan of Jedi Kryptonite suddenly starting to show up everywhere. It feels lazy, like the only way you can make your particular bad guy seem powerful and the Jedi less so is to introduce a random Kryptonite that just makes the Jedi incapable of fighting at their normal level. If the only way you can conceive of your bad guy being scary is to neuter the Jedi, maybe you're just not that good of a writer. Food for thought.
#star wars#anti acolyte#anti the acolyte#acolyte critical#the acolyte critical#acolyte negativity#the acolyte negativity#acolyte spoilers#the acolyte spoilers#headland critical#leslye headland critical#i'm fairly certain the point of introducing jedi kryptonite isn't to make me think your bad guy isn't really all that powerful#like if you have to take out the jedi's weapons or powers to win then the jedi are stronger than you are#that's just how that logic works#and it automatically makes your bad guy kind-of lame as a result
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Rewatched OWK and compared Reva and Osha/Mae – these characters and their actresses met hatred based on racism. Personally I can say I liked Reva and disliked Osha/Mae. And it has much to do with acting.
Frankly, I don’t understand why this rabid dislike of Reva? Moses Ingram is a good actress and her character is consistent in her motivations and actions. She has certain presence on-screen and interesting character development. It’s not her problem that she didn’t meet expectations of fanboys who wanted flashy lightsaber fights with no substance. On the contrary, Amandla Stenberg’s acting is atrocious – I didn’t see her in any other projects, but in ‘The Acolyte’ she was outright weak. She maintains the same blank expression through most of the scenes – in her both roles. There’s no difference between Osha and Mae – same mannerisms, same mimics, same general aura. Yes, the script was awful, and the directing is evidently lacking, but a really talented actor/actress can pull it off at least partially – like Lee Jung-jae or Manny Jacinto. Even while given less time and less depth of the characters, Charlie Barnett and Dafne Keen weren’t this level of bland and emotionless.
It doesn’t matter if Stenberg is non-binary or black, I have an impression that she’s just not that great of an actress to manage playing two complicated (in theory) characters at once. So the opinions about her bleak acting are justified, IMO.
#star wars#the acolyte#anti acolyte#the acolyte critical#obi wan kenobi series#reva sevander#osha aniseya#mae aniseya#moses ingram#amandla stenberg
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