#THOSCHEI IS THE ONLY THING I THINK ABOUT I CANT BE THE ONLY ONE WHO THINKS ABOUT THE RAREPARES

[thegoldenghost4]

Guys I get it, trust, I get it

david tennat is back as 14, and the tensimm fans came back from the dead and gave us saxteen.

And saxteen is great we love saxteen, old man yaoi and all but

PLEASE I NEED MY SPYTEEN I NEED MY FOURTEEN AND THE SPY MASTER THEY DONT EVEN HAVE AN OFFICIAL SHIP NAME I DONT THINK

he was the most recent master guys, there is only like 5 fanfiction for them on ao3, i get you guys love having the simm master living with 14, BUT I NEED THE SPY MASTER LIVING WITH FOURTEEN PLSSSS

i would die if someone were to draw that i would

[rearranging-deck-chairs]

im watching that first scene in 9x2 and like, clara believes in the story of The Doctor right? the man the myth the legend thats what she aspires to right? thats what she emulates? (in contrast to yaz who barely Knows the story) but like, thats also why missy picked her right? because missy also believes in the story of the doctor. and loves it i think. loves the story loves believing in it

i always think theres a kind of mutual respect in how the master and the doctor will keep each other's stories sort of in place, like they wont contradict them, they wont force one another into a position where they'd have to break character or admit any kind of theatre, not while theres an audience. i think that like a big part of how their love gets expressed is through that respect. and part of it is a mutual annihilation kind of thing of course, theyre the only ones who could thoroughly destroy the other like destroy the entire concept of one another, so if you do it first, the other might retaliate, so theres that. but i also think it's love

and of course it's also that like, this is all they have? both of them in a way but especially the master. "the cosmos without the doctor scarcely bears thinking about" & "shes the only person ive ever met whos even remotely like me" bc like, if the other is gone what really do you have left? like who do you have to play with, really? them immortals need their games and this is the best game they have

this is a very scattered post but it just struck me listening to missy like how much she totally adores the story of the doctor. and the doctor loves hers! "it's the wicked stepmother! everyone hiss!" they love each other's stories and they love playing in each other's stories. they love the role they have there

and i think, because they both put so much effort into writing those stories of themselves, i think loving the story is loving, like, each other

it's a different relationship than what the doctor has to many companions i think bc i think in many of those relationships the story is sort of what gets in the way, it's what keeps the distance. like for companions i think the moments where you see the person more is where the relationship deepens

with thoschei it's the opposite. loving the artifice IS loving the person because maybe nothing is left of that person except for the effort they put into the show the image the artifice. thoschei is like i know youre broken. i know theres no one really left anymore in there. i cant love the person who i maybe once loved bc they dont exist anymore. but i love what you made and i will admire your work. and that is the love

[butchtwelfthdoctor]

2 & 14? :3

hi! :D

2 - otp?

uhhhh sort of??? for doctor who i just..... am not suuper invested in their relationships in a romantic or sexual way, i prefer just a really interesting dynamic, which is often not one that could end in a nice happily ever after yknow??? But. Twissy. twissyyyyyyyyyy twissy twelve and misyyyyyyy. i just think they have most fascinating and unhinged and, yeah, pretty sensual relationship. there's just so much there to unpack!!!! the end of the eaters of light alone.............. ough............ even their first meeting in s8................. normal people do not do that!! people with normal relationships do not do that!! like the singular ship across any media i've been most invested in is aziraphale and crowley but like... i know they're going to get a happy ending and while their dynamic is interesting it doesnt have the same level of batshit unhingedness that makes twelve and missy So Fascinating to think about. like ineffable husbands boils down to 'forbidden love' but twissy has too many layers for that. yay <3

14 - is there a character/ship you were so sure you would never write or draw but now you've changed your mind?

gonna be honest i was not sold on thoschei when i was mostly seeing tensimm stuff but twissy changed my mind completely. like the art people do for tensimm is great but idk not really my thing i cant quite get past the year that never was, but then after the end of time and then into twissy stuff there's a...... its not even a redemption arc for missy but there's a level of character development that makes it better for After the end of time. like simmmaster refusing to regenerate in teh doctor's arms & ten crying over him was, to me, something i only got at an intellectual level idk - like ok yeah he's upset cos that's teh only other time lord in existence buuuuuut he did just keep you prisoner and humiliate you and torture a whole planet for a year idk man........... like it was wild but it doesn't invoke the same feral energy in me that twissy does. does that even count as the same ship?? it kinda doesnt. idk. but idk i havent drawn tensimm but i have drawn twissy a bunch of times and if were to write a doctor who fic other than the one i've got going atm (i would put missy in it if i could but she doesnt quiiiite fit) (except i just had an au of my au idea for that lol) it would have twelve and missy in it for sure

[thoschei-rights]

Season 12 but The Master kept pretending to be O??

Basically self-indulgent Thoschei with a twist.

lots of typos bc?? i aint got time to go correct stuff yet? I will later?? 

So Spyfall is resolved, The Kasaavin are banished back to their realm and the Fam and Doctor are clueless as to the true mastermind, Barton taking the fall while the Master continues to pose ad O, having decided he’s enjoying the game of tricking her too much.

Perhaps among their texts they’ve grown close, or perhaps the brief time together in the outback led to events?? ;) But either way, he changes his mind mid plan and continues to act human.

Since he never leaves the message or has the confrontation in Paris, the doctor remains unaware of Gallifrey’s destruction. The fam wait off on asking their questions since she isn’t off with them.

Orphan 55 happens, and while the fam go do their shit, O stays with the Doctor bc admit it, she was like oh ;-; when everyone went to explore. My poor baby. So they hang out together before everything goes to shit, how cute?? Things get resolved, but with the revelation of one of earth’s potential fates, and the potential that the doctor lied about knowing, the fam decide to ask to know more about her. She shares what she believes its true at the time, being born on gallifrey and being a timelord, O looms in the background looking awkward bc he knows none of that is true and he feels horrible keeping the truth from her, it makes him as bad as the rest of the time lords- but he is selfish and he doesn’t want to stop what he’s doing, he’s started to really enjoy her company, its everything he’s ever wanted, every star.

And then it’s ruined when Yaz asks to see her own planet. Blissfully unaware of its destruction, she takes them, and so they’re right there with her when she sees, opens the doors to the rubble, the dying flames- and oh god. The fam are horrified, she’s horrified, O has to fake it, while being utterly glad those nasties are dead- maybe he gets to sneakily comfort hug her??? like she’s trying not to tear up even after that whole shit show of the confession dial, it was her home??so yeah he’s like hugging her but he’s so angry bc they dont deserve her tears?? 

The doctor is off after that, and the fam know why, and none of their words of comfort do much, because sure they’ve just witnessed the death of earth too but that is just one timeline, can be completely avoided, while gallifrey is gone forever, and she believes she’s once more the last of her kind. it hurts.

they visit tesla all the same, and when that big ass scorpion looking alien (bc im sorry i didnt like the episode and i’ve forgotten her name so....) mentions dead planets, she can feel the fam stiffen, as though the doctor is gonna blow at any minute, but she keeps calm, tries to bury the rage, but O can tell, can tell by the way her arms shake, hands clenched into fists in her pockets- and it hurts him to see her like this- the longer he spends around her, pretending to be someone he’s not, he’s just realizing more and more what a dumbass he is and that he’s still as in love with her now than he was all those years ago in the academy- none of the truth will change that-

and then boom the shit show with the judoon occurs and suddenly O is confused af because that Lee guy could ONLY have been him. Who else on gallifrey was stupid enough to hide out with the doctor, marry them and die for them?? him because he’s a dumbass? but he’s a dumbass who definitely doesnt remember this memories?? which theoretically in the doctors timeline should have been sometime after the division? or during? he’s not sure? but to his knowledge he shouldn’t have been alive at this stage? and now he’s not sure what the fuck HIS own life is too? did they take his memories from him too? has he lost part of his life? suddenly the truth doesnt seem as known as he thought- so while the doctor is reeling from the information of Ruth being her somehow? O is having his own mental crisis because what the fuck did they do to him too? what is he missing?? 

praxeus continues as similar as it did originally, O is only the tiniest impressed at Yaz, ever since Spyfall he’d sensed she was the human with the most potential to not be utterly worthless so he’s glad at least one of the doctors latest pets seems to have some initiative?? but yeah i dont wanna change much about praxeus? its not important- except the doctor saying she’s a romantic and the master wants that? wait what- he’s conflicted about his own thoughts? he wanted to break her, destroy her with the truth? but he also just wants to wrap her in his arms? make everything as okay as he can? what the fuck is even happening with him? jsut your usual ‘im a mess’ vibes lmao

when can you hear me? rolls around, it happens in a similar way, i dont wanna get to into it because i dont wanna think too much...the episode was weird, it was just weird-- i cant?? although maybe bc that zellin and the lady whose name i forgot...but they were immortal right?? maybe their species is the doctors species?? huh? huh? think about that- but don’t think too hard bc i hate that theory and i’m gonna pretend i never had that thought- lets just ignore can you hear me even though the end made me cry for yaz bc lol relatable sis, relatable. do whatever you want for this bit fam, idc.

Anyyyyyway. the bit I’m waiting for... Villa Diodati ;) O is ready to smack Byron round the face, fingers itching towards the tce everytime he tries to flirt with the doctor. the lone cyberman appears and wopdie doo earth is going to be destroyed and the doctor is about to do something stupid, thinking there is no other way? the master is like um lol change of plans i dont want the cybermen to win, look how in pain my baby theta is?? i gotta help?? oof? and idk, his patience is like nope all gone? and he whips out his TCE on the lone cyberman and boom. crisis averted? except now the doctor is looking at him in horror and shock and- she realizes who he is then and there, and normally he’d made a big drama out of his, throw in some words, a speech about how easy it was to deceive her, how he destroyed gallifrey- about how he was under her nose this whole time- but he doesn’t, instead he meets her gaze and can barely manage to whisper an “im sorry” and wow shit i wasn’t gonna write that version, i was gonna have feral confrontation but now im stanning a sad master who just needs a hug and some therapy because nothing makes sense, he thought he had everything figured out but he doesnt and he just wANTS HIS FRIEND BACK uiferkghlujkfaghjfkgladhfajkg; i m fine 

i dont know what i wanna do after this point? it could go a lot of different ways?? but thoschei rights bitches. could go angst confrontation and then she abandons him in whatever century that was set bc wow i studied frankenstein in school but i couldnt tell you what century the author is from bc im dumb? 18th? maybe idk that seems likely? or 19th? but anyway yeah or maybe she’s just relieved someone else is alive? or is she shouting for answers or?? i dunno.... but woop ??? 

wow this turned into a big mess but hopefully you can kinda see where i wanna head with things? after this he’d probably show her the truth? i dunno how that’d go down, but he’d be there with her?? But anyway, this idea is free for anyone to write, but holla us a link and I'll give yall a free promo at the end of this post!!

Versions of this that yall Lovelies have blessed us with:

[kadywicker]

for the tv thing doctor who

my all-time ultimate fave character: twelve or missy…. love them

a character I didn’t used to like but now do: uuuuh. hm. not sure if i have one of these?

a character I used to like but now don’t: eleven fasjdfasdf

a character I’m indifferent about: amy & rory tbh

a character who deserved better: martha! mickey! donna! jack ! anyone that ever interacted w 10!

a ship I’ve never been able to get into: rose/doctor im so sorry everyone but like. mm. i cant do it. i’ve NEVER been able to do it which says a lot bc i used to go w the crowd on ships but i first watched dw when i was 12 and was like ??? this ? this is who yall are losing it over? hello? anyway if u ship them (most ppl do) thats fine ily but also i just cannot.

a ship I’ve never been able to get over: THOSCHEI……….. esp twelve/missy like fuck me up just FUCK me up

a cute, low-key ship: HM. i dont really know? maybe like. 13/ada lovelace that was cute.

an unpopular ship but I still enjoyed it: [redacted]. i’m kidding don’t ask me what redacted is BUT i did like jack/the doctor. 

a ship that was totally wrong and never should have happened: amy/11 was just weird?

my favorite storyline/moment: loved heaven sent like. god. what a good episode. also literally any missy moment but especially her and 12 kissing in the graveyard like thats some good shit babes. AND missys redemption arc. missy.

a storyline that never should have been written: all of rivers storyline, the treatment of mickey and martha, the only trans character being fucking cassandra, donna’s ending, the weird amy/doctor shit…

my first thoughts on the show: tbh i do not remember it’s been YEARS lol but i think i just figured if everyone else was into it i’d give it a shot

my thoughts now: one of my favorite comfort shows! whenever i’m bored or need something to watch i can go back to doctor who. there’s a lot i don’t like but that happens w a show this long running and there’s just as much i DO like. i’d die for twelve. i’m glad we’ve circled back to “doctor who not cringey” bc i love it.

send me a tv series and i’ll tell you…

[rearranging-deck-chairs]

Also I feel like seeing them fuck would have been 10 time less explicit then what you did there. The insect visual make it so much more crude and visceral.

yeah i know right? ive been thinking about this a lot this week because, like a couple other fanarts ive made (like the thoschei cannibalism fic and to a lesser degree maybe the thasmin smut) this video works entirely on the subtextual level? theres nothing to this except for the subtext. when vimeo asked me to rate it and then check the things that were in the video there were like four options like nudity, sex maybe, something else, and violence, and i couldnt really check any of them? i was like oh right theres actually nothing in here. same with youtube, i read the content policy guidelines and like, no there is probably no sexual content in this video according to them. but thats just because they specify explicit. and everything here is inherently implicit. we dont have doctor who sex scenes. it cant be explicit. but it feels explicit?

it's like when we talked about whether the intention makes something art but now im like, does the intention make something smut, or is it the interpretation, or is it some specific images?

if you follow guidelines of sites like youtube and vimeo you'd think it's a couple of specific images and words that make something sexual, but theyre not describing sex are they? theyre describing marketability. it'd be a mistake to take their descriptions of sexual content as saying anything at all about what sex is.

people say "tag your stuff" like thats not a maddeningly subjective endeavour. even just looking at my eternal feud with / or & when tagging thoschei. things like Major Character Death might be pretty descriptive and seemingly clear cut (though im sure theres fics where authors have struggled with that check mark too) but ratings are mostly vibes-based.

do we need to tag subtext? is that not the domain of the reader? is tagging stuff that youre leaving to interpretation not kinda ruining part of the experience of reading/viewing the thing? or do you need to tag that when it could be HarmfulTM? (i'll admit my brain is definitely infected with online discourse about HarmTM and theres parts of my thinking about this thats definitely irrational, like im not gonna psychologically scar someone with a spicy bug volcano video. but im trying to work around those thought pretzels bear with me) do we need to tag subtext if thats the entire work? saying this video contains frogs and spiders is helpful for the frog- and spiderphobic but it's also an incomplete truth. the frogs and spiders describe other things, theyre just the words im using. do i need to tag orgasm denial or dom 13 or sub master if people maybe dont even see that part until i just said it?

anyway this video would probably be allowed on youtube because youtubes policy guidelines specify only explicit sexual content and depiction of things and also doesnt seem to differentiate between fictional and nonfictional content which is weird to me. like i feel like those two things definitely need to be treated as different things? and it's maybe not great to blur those lines.

anyway im not asking you specifically all these questions, i dont even think theyre questions with one answer, im just thinking out loud

tldr what makes porn porn i guess. can porn be bugs crawling into holes if i try really hard