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Ok I don't like Joe Biden much and I know he's not in the race anymore, but we need to talk about the blatant fucking ableism some of y'all are doing with the whole "can't form sentences thing."
I cannot stress this to you enough.
Joe Biden HAS A STUTTER.
He has never lied about it, it has been with him his entire life, he's gone to speech therapy for it, and it has been well documented throughout his entire career as a politician.
His stopping and starting and rewording is, in fact, something he has done his entire career. Granted, not to this extent, it's clearly gotten worse due to the stressors of being The Fucking President and old age, but this IS NOT new.
There are many things to criticize Biden for. Having a literal speech disability while giving speeches and working in one of the most insanely stressful communications jobs in the world is not one of them.
If your disability advocacy stops when there's a funny joke to be made about a public figure being publicly disabled, please utterly and sincerely fuck off.
- Signed, someone whose stutter is incredibly similar to his, and is tired of people saying that people like me do not deserve to exist in the public eye
#disability#joe biden#us politics#disability pride#disability pride month#stuttering#stutter#speech impediment
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Stutter ~ Brothers!Sturniolo Triplets
Summary: You have always had a stutter, making you sometimes reluctant to talk, but your brothers encourage you to talk more.
Warnings: swearing, nicknames, stutter, speech impediment, mention of bullying/teasing, fluff
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You've always struggled with your speech. It wasn't the best when you were younger, but as you got older, you just developed a small stutter. Some days it wasn't bad, you'd only stutter on a few words, but on the bad days, it was every other word.
Nick, Matt and Chris helped you a lot with your speech. Helping you with the exercises the speech therapist gave you and would often read to you when you were younger.
As you hit high school and the guys moved to LA, you would call everyday to tell them what happened and they would instantly know if it was a good or bad day depending on how you talked.
The guys were home in Boston as your birthday was right around the corner so they wanted to spend longer at home catching up. You were sat on your bed, playing on your phone, when Chris poked his head in.
"Hey kid, wanna go get ice cream?" He asked.
"Sure." You replied shortly.
He smiled as he ran off, screaming for Nick. You laughed and slipped some shoes on before going to find your three brothers, all of which were waiting by the door, Chris laying on the floor.
"Why....Why are you on the floor?" You asked.
"Nick gut punched me." He groaned, sitting up.
"He fucking jumped on my back!" Nick shouted.
You laughed as Matt just rolled his eyes, grabbed the keys and started walking to the car. You soon followed, leaving the other two arguing.
As a result of that, you climbed in the front of the car, making Chris whine once he realised and had to sit in the back with Nick.
"If you....If you were quicker and....and s-stopped being a little ba-baby you'd be here!" You shouted, your stutter more noticeable as you spoke.
"Your the baby not me." Chris mumbled.
Matt then drove towards your favourite ice cream place. You looked out the window quietly. The car wasn't too loud for once, but you knew that would change soon.
When you arrived at the ice cream parlour, you all got out and saw it wasn't busy, which made you all more relaxed. You stood looking at the different flavours, when Nick looked down to you.
"What flavour would you like, sweetheart?" He asked.
You kept looking for a minute before pointing to the bubblegum flavour. Nick gave you a comforting smile.
"Come on kid, you can say the word." He said.
"Don't wanna." You muttered.
"Come on petal, just try." Matt said, appearing the other side of you.
You sighed and took a deep breath. The time you stuttered the most was when you said words with B.
"B...Bub....Bubblegum." You said slowly.
"Nice job kiddo!" Chris praised, making you smile.
Nick then ordered all the ice creams you wanted as you went to sit with Matt at a booth by the window. Matt took your hand, making you look at him.
"Wanna tell me why you weren't going to say bubblegum?" He asked softly.
You shrugged, but Matt could read you like a book, all of your brothers could. He gave you a small smile as Chris and Nick came over, passing you the ice cream and eating theirs.
"We're not going to push, bub, but if something is bothering you or someone, especially about your speech, we're here to help." Chris said.
"Just so-some kids at school. Nothing....Nothing to worry ab-about." You answered.
"What are they saying?" Matt questioned.
"Teasing." You admitted.
"Punch them in the face." Nick said, making you laugh.
"Maybe don't do that, but have you talked to mum or dad?" Matt replied.
"No...Tryin har-hard." You replied.
"We know you are, kid, but it's okay to ask for help." Chris said.
"We're proud of you, sweetheart. We understand it must be hard for you, but please don't stop talking, it's okay to have a stutter and we're always here to help. Your the most hard working teen we've ever met and we love you, okay." Nick said.
"Love you t-too." You responded, making them smile.
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Verbal Stance And Disability Pride Flags
PT: Verbal Stance And Disability Pride Flags /end PT
Nonverbal
PT: Nonverbal /end PT
Nonverbal: extremely severely to profoundly struggling to verbalise, total inability to use verbalization, ever, or nearly total inability to verbalise, inability to verbalise more than a few utterances, words, part of phrases, etc. Might entirely rely on AAC.
Original nonverbal flag by @pupyzu. Original post here (link).
Semiverbal
PT: Semiverbal /end PT
Semiverbal: moderately to severely struggling to or being hardly able to verbalise most to all of the time. This includes frequently or consistently: taking awhile to formulate verbalization, having a restricted, limited verbalization, etc. Only verbalising in specific circumstances, familiar situations, about familiar topics or for specific purposes, etc. Being mostly/fully able to verbalise but struggling significantly to do so, etc. Having shortened, partial, repetitive, misplaced, forgotten, garbled, incorrect, mashed-up, inintelligible, made-up verbalization, etc. Might predominately to drastically rely on AAC.
Original semiverbal flag by @pupyzu. Original post here (link).
Hemiverbalflux
PT: Hemiverbalflux /end PT
Hemiverbalflux: variably struggling to verbalise, from mildly, moderately to severely. Verbalization fluctuating in intensity but always within the borders of semiverbal and demiverbal. Struggles with verbalization vary in intensity, sometimes severe, unable to form coherent verbalization or to verbalise without extreme difficulty for weeks to sometimes mild, able to verbalise well, reliably for a few days, etc. Verbalization loss vary in length, frequency, sometimes being a few times a month or week, to every day. Lasting for a few minutes or hours, to days, happening often or over long periods. Fluctuations can be random or have causes. Hemiverbal can also be used on its own as a separate term to mean bordering/being somewhere between semiverbal and demiverbal. Might regularly to mostly rely on AAC.
Original hemiverbalflux term and flag by @jet-voidrock. Original post here (link).
Demiverbal
PT: Demiverbal /end PT
Demiverbal: mildly struggling to verbalise, half of the time, most of the time, to all of the time. Verbalization loss might happen anywhere from a multiple times a day, to a few times a month. Possibly for no apparent reason, a mix of reasons or a variety of reasons. May experience slight difficulty only a little of the time, half of the time, to all of the time with speaking, articulating, complex language usage, forming concepts, etc. Might mildly to regularly rely on AAC.
Original demiverbal flag by @lilqu33rboi. Original post here (link).
Verbalflux
PT: Verbalflux /end PT
Verbalflux: variably struggling to verbalise. Being able to verbalise, fluctuating at any intensity, difficulty, length, frequency and at any given time. Struggles and inability to use verbalization vary in intensity, length and frequency. Fluctuations can be random or have causes and can happen often or over long periods of time. Might periodically rely on AAC.
Original verbalflux flag by @pupyzu. Original post here (link).
Choiceverbal
PT: Choiceverbal /end PT
Choiceverbal: willingly not using verbalization, being able to verbalise (fullverbal, demiverbal, semiverbal, majorityverbal...), but choosing not to verbalise much or at all. Can be for any reason, including but not limited to: Being uncomfortable or disliking verbalising, being verbal-adverse, lack of understanding of social cues, etc. Might partially or entirely use intentionally AAC.
Term coined by @schizophrenicbulbasaur in this post (link). Original choiceverbal flag by @lilqu33rboi. Original post here (link).
Fullverbal
PT: Fullverbal /end PT
Fullverbal: being fully able to verbalise fluently and effectively, across a wide range of contexts. Having the ability to construct complete, grammatically correct verbalization, engage in complex conversations about various topics, etc. Demonstrating good control over vocabulary, tone, speech, pace and conversational nuances, permitting to express a broad spectrum of thoughts, emotions, and ideas. Might hardly ever rely on AAC.
Original verbal flag by @pupyzu. Original post here (link).
Hyperverbal
PT: Hyperverbal /end PT
Hyperverbal: being fully able to verbalise and, whether by choice or on accident, exhibiting an excessive or unusually high level of verbalization. Verbalising at length and with great detail about various topics, often dominating conversations. This can include rapid verbalization, above average verbal capacities, advanced vocabulary, logorrhea, frequent interruptions, an overwhelming amount of information shared, etc. Might have the ability to engage in discussions on multiple subjects, but communication can sometimes be overwhelming for others and may lack focus or relevance to the ongoing conversation. Might hardly ever rely on AAC.
Original hyperverbal flag by @pupyzu. Original post here (link).
Additional Informations
PT: Additional Informations /end PT
Verbal stances are descriptive of everyday reality, they shouldn't be used to describe verbality during brief, unusual circumstances (ex: short-lived shutdown, panic attack, aphasia, etc). Refering a small verbal loss episode as going nonverbal, refering a transient aphasia as going semiverbal, and similar misusage, is improper and incorrect. Verbality can change during a lifetime for a lot of reasons but is qualifying long-term, long lasting verbality. If verbalization fluctuates a lot, verbalflux might be used.
Plenty of terms can be used to refer to shutdowns and similar experiences. Losing words, losing speech, speech loss, speech loss episode, verbal shutdown, verbal crash...
Selective/situational mutism is often used interchangeably with shutdown, which is an incorrect usage. SM is a diagnosable anxiety disorder which causes the person an inability to speak in specific social situations, specific places, or to specific people if a certain condition is triggered.
I've made the definitions by combining multiple definitions I've seen over internet since I struggle to formulate working on my own. They aren't carved in stone, just an attempt to define those. Even though AAC usage and verbality usually coincide, it's not always the case, ence why I've putted 'might' use AAC.
Most people don't make the distinction between -verbal and -speaking stances while some might make a distinction. In that particular case, -verbal would describe language ability, while -speaking would describe speech abiliy. For example, nonverbal would mean not having language whereas nonspeaking would refer to the inability to use speech to communicate. Considering that an overwhelming majority of people don't make distinctions and that terms exist to describe the verbality components distinctively, I've chosen not to do such distinctions in this post and use the broad term of verbality.
Descriptives of verbality components:
-lexic refers to the ability to use, comprehend, process language (link), while -speaking refers to the usage of speech and -vocal refers to a system's headmate verbality (link), whereas -scribal refer to the ability to produce written or typed language, whilst -communicative refers to the ability to communicate.
It's up to the individual (or close relatives when the individual isn't able to do that by themselves) to choose how they wish to identify, according to their preferences, what fits the best, what is more practical, etc. It is a personal preference.
I've made these flags since the original designs all have a solid white infinity symbol on them, which problematic since it's already a the recognised symbol for Métis (link) and also confusing since these terms aren't exclusive to neurodivergent people.
#semiverbal#semispeaking#nonverbal#nonspeaking#hemiverbalflux#hemispeakingflux#demiverbal#demispeaking#verbalflux#speakingflux#fullverbal#fullspeaking#hyperverbal#hyperspeaking#alt verbal#alternatively verbal#verbal stance#speaking#verbal#disability pride#speech disorder#speech delay#speech impediment#language disorder#AAC#non-verbal communication#physical disability#mental disability#intellectual disability#sensory disability
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Shout out to people with incredibly nasally voices, shout out to people with lisps, shout out to stutter-ers, shout out to people who can't say certain words "correctly", shout out to people who can't pronounce certain letters and syllables "right", screaming and hooting and hollering for people who's speech is impacted by neruodivergence or disabilities!
if anyone has approached you at any age about speech therapy, if you've ever been made fun of, just know I love you from a very respectful distance, I'm waving at you from across the street, and you're my cup of tea and also you inherently deserve respect!!!
#i have tics :) and i stutter more often than the “average” person and that's okay#i also expect respect! and love even!!#cpunk#speech impediment#disability pride month
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Do you have any examples of shows that handle speech impediment representation well? As someone with a speech impediment, it’s frustrating to constantly see it used only in the contexts of “This person is socially awkward” or “This person has something wrong with them,” etc.
Nothing comes to mind — you're right that there's tons of examples, and most suck. Like, I'll give partial credit to Umbrella Academy for Diego's stutter, Septimus Heap for Sep's selective mutism, and It for Bill's stutter/lisp. They all get the usefulness of speech path, and the way that stress or tiredness can mess you up. But all three also have "I can't be successful unless I talk normatively" crap, and both It and Umbrella Academy briefly have the stutter be the butt of a joke.
Does anyone else have examples that are actually good? Please help.
#speech impediment#disability#speech pathology#it#septimus heap#umbrella academy#the RAGE when lilah mocked diego's stutter in season 3#like - y'all were doing well! 7/10!#and then you just fucking *had to* go there#for the sake of your stupid mean cheap laugh
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WAIT GUYS I'M ACTUALLY TWEAKING RN I WAS JUST AT SPEECH THERAPY AND YK DOING ALL MY STUTTERING THINGS BUT LIKE EVERY TIME I STUTTERED OR HAD A BLOCK STUTTER AND WE DID LIKE FLUENCY STRATEGIES, AFTER DOING THE STRATEGIES FOR A BIT, EVERY SINGLE TIME, I ACTUALLY EVENTUALLY GOT EVERY SINGLE WORD OUT!? LIKE WHAAAAAAAAAT!?! LIKE I COULD ACTUALLY TALK?!?! Y'ALL HONESTLY DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW DEEP THIS IS, I'VE HAD A SEVERE STUTTER SINCE I COULD TALK AND THIS IS ACTUALLY SO COOL REEEEEEE THERE ARE LITERAL TEARS IN MY EYES AND NOW I FEEL LIKE DESMOULINS AT THE BASTILLE AND I ASSURE YOU HE FELT THE EXACT SAME WAY BECAUSE OMG WHAaaATTTTTTATATATATAAT!?!?!?¡¡!¡!¡!¡!
#and no this doesnt mean my stutter is “cured”#thats physically impossible#i just slayed today! :D#stuttering#stutter#speech impediment#speech impairment#camille desmoulins#sorta#camille desmoulins mention#yeah#that works better#BUT SERIOUSLY THO#:DDD#reeeeee#REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE#speech therapy
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I’ve noticed that in the drama group I’m in a lot of the time the improv characters people make up are just imitations of people with disabilities. Faking a limp or manipulating their body to mock people with cerebral palsy or imitating speech impediments and people with intellectual disabilities. I felt particularly alienated when one kid made a cripple joke and everyone laughed, people who claim to be “politically correct”, people who I consider my friends. People who call themselves disability allies, who call themselves punks. Everyone’s a leftist, everyone’s all for being kind until it comes to disabled people.
#disability#intellectual disability#speech impediment#speech impairment#physical disability#neurodivergent#ableism#cw ableism#cw ableist language#cripple punk#cpunk#punk#leftist#leftism#disabled advocacy#cerebral palsy
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When he was excited, he suffered not so much from a speech impediment as from misplaced pauses, as if his brain were temporarily putting his mouth on hold.
Terry Pratchett, Men at Arms
#edward d'eath#men at arms#discworld#terry pratchett#character description#speech impediment#processing#pauses#awkward pause#excited#misplaced#hold please
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Hi guys! This post is not related to arts, but I will be very grateful to you for sharing it.🌸
This is a survey for my university's research. I study the problems of disabled people in tourism and recreation. This survey is anonymous.
The statistics collected in the surveys will be used for my university project.
I will be very grateful to everyone who completes the survey and sends it to their family members or friends✨️
The more people complete the survey, the more detailed statistics i will get, so it is important to spread it as much as possible.
You can scan it or use links below:
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#tourism#parks and recreation#people with disabilities#university project#disability#disabled#disabilties#accesibility#chronic illness#hard of hearing#sensory disability#physical disability#physically disabled#mental disability#intellectual disability#developmental disabilities#cognitive disability#visual impairment#legally blind#mobility aid#hearing loss#hearing impaired#speech impediment#hearing aids#hearing issues
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yall I'm being so serious right now you have GOT to be less weird about the way people speak. This isn't even just about accents or whatever, this is about EVERYTHING!
I say mountain funny, apparently. I say it "moun'n." Now that's just cuz it's how we speak where I was raised. I say a lot of things funny, apparently. I speak very fast, I stutter and stumble over my words. Sometimes I say the words entirely wrong or swap the syllables around. Why is this a problem?
I don't have to deal with bullying on this, but I do notice people making little jokes here and there about it. Mostly harmless. But when I am constantly hearing those jokes when I say the wrong word or I trip up on it, when it's every single time, it starts to feel really bad. You start to feel guilty for opening your mouth.
For some reason I think far too often we normalize making jokes jabbing at dialects or manners of speaking. If someone speaks "wike dis" then they're viewed as dumber. When someone has a "hick" accent then they're dumber. When a POC speaks in slang then they're dumber. Actually, when a POC speaks with even a slight accent they're dumber, too.
We have all these images of these ways of speaking. And for some reason it's okay to poke fun at them. But these are genuinely beautiful differences i think we should embrace. Your voice is a little piece of home you carry with you everywhere, how you speak shows who you were raised by and where. That should not be shameful! That should be celebrated!
So why is it okay to poke fun at these things? Why?
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Look yall I hate both candidates as much as the next person and agree that Biden fucking sucks as a best option, but can we not with the speech impediment jokes? Make fun of literally anything else, please.
#2024 presidental election#presidential debate#biden#american politics#speech impediment#Speech impediments are disabilities too guys#Not cool to use them as part of your joke on how dumb he and this whole fiasco is
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having a speech impediment is so awkward because someone will make fun of it and then somebody else gets angry on your behalf and argues over your head like you’re not capable of defending yourself while you just sit there like
#vixen rambles#speech impediment#points at sign. speech impediments do not make you less worthy of a person and do not make your words less valuable#okay to reblog#i’m not actually angry abt this or anything. it’s literally just kinda awkward sometimes !!
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Really want to write some cute fluffy shit for all the fandoms I write for (VLD, Sally Face and Hazbin) where reader has a stutter bc..I have a stutter. I WANT TO WRITE X READER WITH A STUTTER AND SHAMELESSLY SELF INSERT OKAY? SHOULD I DO IT? Or is that too niche? Anyone else have any kind of speech impediment? Cuz like I can’t stop imagining my comfort characters either lovingly teasing me about my stutter or being so kind and patient and waiting for me to finish my sentence when I’m struggling or even trying to finish my sentences for me (which actually really irritates tf out of me but I think it would be sort of endearing coming from a comfort character).
Sal would be so sweet and patient, just watching with eager eyes as reader speaks, probably nodding along expectantly.
Alastor would def be one to try and fill in the blank when reader is stuttering and can’t get a word out. He’s a know it all fs 🙄
Lucifer would also be so sweet and kind and probably would cut reader off with a gentle pat to the head or a kiss to the check as he tells them to take their time, take a breath first.
LANCE MCCLAIN would relentlessly tease and bully reader but also would find reader’s speech impediment so cute and unique and also kinda funny. He’d really get on my nerves sometimes but I love him anyways.
And then Keith would probably beat lances ass and defend tf out of reader with a speech impediment. Keith is so quiet all the time, he would totally suggest that you don’t have to talk if you don’t want to. You guys can just sit in silence and bask in each other’s presence.
I also like to imagine ✨spicy moments✨ with comfort characters where reader can’t stop stuttering bc they are flustered and trying to focus on the situation and comfort character being like “oh my fucking goddddddd you are so cute I love you, go on”
Like imagine trying to tell your f/o that you want to kiss them or you want them to touch you or something and you can’t really get the words out and your blush just keeps growing and you feel really stupid and like you’re gonna throw up but in a good way? Fuck, I would be an absolute mess trying to get intimate with literally anyone omfg a stuttering, blushing mess. Jamie.exe has stopped working 🫠
#I stutter so bad at the worst times like plz im gonna kms#stuttering#speech impediment#voltron#voltron legendary defender#voltron x reader#lance mcclain#hazbin hotel x reader#hazbin hotel#hazbin x reader#alastor hazbin#alastor hazbin hotel#hazbin alastor#Sally face#sal fisher x reader#sal fisher#sal sally face#sally fisher#self insert#self indulgent#lance mcclain x reader#Lance vld x reader#keith voltron#Keith vld x reader#keith x reader#lucifer x reader#hazbin lucifer#lucifer hazbin hotel#lucifer hazbin x reader
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Greetings Tumblr!
I present you another do-you-know-this-thing blog, but this one is dedicated to characters who stutter. I’ve noticed an extreme lack of stuttering representation both in media and here on Tumblr, and my goal is to change it with this blog.
First, a little about me.
I’m a stutterer myself. I’ve been stuttering since childhood, and now when I’m an adult, my stutter starts to severely affecting the quality of my life. It made me actively fight it since last year, I was in therapy and took medication, but there were no visible improvements. Currently, I’m learning how to accept my stutter and live a full life in spite of it.
I don’t know whether this blog will become a thing, so I’d prefer not to reveal either my main blog or my nickname for now, but you can refer to me by using she/her pronouns. I also want to point out that English is not my first language, so if I mess up or use the wrong terminology, forgive me, I’m genuinely sorry. Feel free to correct me, though.
And now, about the blog.
For now, my plan is to post one poll weekly. I’ll wait until the middle of June, and if there are no submissions, I’ll start posting the characters that I find myself in hope more people will learn about the blog and get interested in it.
I haven’t created a google form yet, since I want to start gathering submissions through my askbox. However, if more people prefer google forms, I can always create it. I can work with whatever.
Submission requirements.
Your submission needs to include the character’s name, the character’s picture, and the name of media they’re from. If you can also provide a video fragment where it’s clearly heard that your character is indeed a stutterer, that would be great (but it’s optional, so please, don’t feel pressured).
I will not accept real people unless they’re from a movie/book about a historical figure. My priority is fictional characters. However, your character can be from any kind of media, whether it’s a movie, a book, a video game, or anything else.
I will not accept characters who just pretend to be a stutterer. Their stutter must be real otherwise it’s just pointless.
A few things to add.
I haven’t met a single person on Tumblr who stutters, so I also want to create sort of a stuttering community here. If you’re comfortable with sharing your experience about your stutter with me and everyone else here, feel free to send a message! Really, I’ll gladly listen to all of your stories and I’m sure that other stutterers will be happy to know that they’re not alone.
For now, my profile picture is Bill Denbrough from It. I know nothing about this guy except for the fact that he stutters, so if he’s not good representation, let me know and feel free to suggest any other character that you want to see as this blog profile picture. My header is the sea, and it has nothing to do with stuttering, I just love the sea.
I was inspired to create this blog by:
@do-you-know-this-adhd-character
@doyouknowthisdisabledcharacter
@doyoulikethissong-poll
@doyouknowthischaracter
If you can spread the word, I will highly appreciate it!
That’s it! Thank you everyone for your attention, I’m really excited to start working on this blog and meet all of you.
#poll#poll blog#stuttering#disability#ughhh#I don’t know what tags to use#I will probably change them anyway if this blog becomes visible#but for now I need attention ajsnkfk#Please look at me#movies#tv shows#musicals#books#comics#animation#web series#video games#audio drama#anime#manga#rpg#disability pride#representation#speech impediment#stammering
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'oh no i stuttered once in front of someone kill me' Coward. My autistic ass has to keep being punched (metaphorically) so I stop skipping like a radio. People interrupt me to tell me to spit it out or calm down. I'm a laughingstock at best and a freak at worst. We are not the same
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