#Sillyshippers

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They aren’t even trying anymore. -_-

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When you think Story importance means fan popularity, you might be shipping to hard.

When you declare John Boyega ISN’T charismatic because of who you ship, you definitely are.

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@starkillabasic Did you watch the full video?  It’s obvious they chopped up several interviews. Only two questions from Daisy and Mark are provided - do you actually think that’s all they were asked?  The full transcript has far more than what the video shows.  Again, Mtime made both this video AND provided a full transcript. Seriously, use common sense: what does mtime have to gain by making up an interview? Also, if we take “don’t believe everything you read” to heart, then I can go ahead and ignore Rian Johnson telling a fan “[Reylo] is all there [in the movie]”.  Or that Kylo is being honest with Rey.  Or literally anything Rian’s said in articles without film.  -_- Daisy doesn't believe reylo is viable going forward.  Mark’s tweeted that the interview ‘sounds like something daisy and I would say’ meaning EVEN IF the interview was suspect, odds are those are Daisy’s actual feelings.  But the interview ISN’T actually suspect, not to anyone with common sense.

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Arguments Reylo’s make that boggle my mind.

Hi.  I’m Sonfaro, and Star Wars is my favorite franchise of all time.  Also, I hate shipping with a firey passion.  Since the last few weeks I’ve noticed a strong upswing in shipping of one particular ship I find especially egregious: Reylo. While I don’t like shipping, I generally believe you can ship whatever, so long as you don’t start making crap up.  However, several interactions with these Reylo fans have led me to be strictly Anti to the ship at large.  Here are a few of the argument’s that have led me to this position: 1.Kylo was ordered to get the information from Rey via mind probe. False.  Kylo’s orders were to get the droid.  He CHOSE to drag the pretty girl to his dungeon/torture chamber.  This ends up getting him in trouble with his superiors. 2. It’s not abuse because they’re at war. Abuses happen in wars all the time.  The Nanking massacre comes to mind. 3. Kylo was manipulated to do all the terrible things he did. Finn was manipulated to be able to kill innocents on his superiors orders, still refused to do so. 4. Kylo had a horrible homelife so he wasn’t raised correctly. Rey was raised by Unkar Plott and sand.  Still didn’t murder any innocents. 5. They share a connection That was foisted upon them both against their will. 6. They held hands! They touched fingers. 7. They’re two halves of the force! Darkness and Light!  They have to come together to bring the balance! You cannot argue this while arguing for a Kylo redemption, because said redemption would require him to return to the light.  Also, the whole point of Star Wars is that good and evil must exist but you as a person should chose the light (good). There are others.  I might return to this at a later date if shippers keep posting weird things.  Ce la vie. - Sonfaro

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“Ha ha ha Video and audio I said you can accept because duh. Written not so much.”  Then we can discount every article Rian’s ever spoken for. “Likely clouded by the authors own opinion on the matter.”  Seemed to me the author was a Reylo. “Did you actually listen to the podcast? How many interviews from the actors have you seen them express these kind of feelings? And they’d post the clip of Daisy’s comments on Rey + Poe (Daisy’s eye roll tho) and not Reylo?“ The Reylo quote is a spoiler, Rey + Poe isn’t.  Again, common sense dude: what does Mtime gain with a fake interview? “ Until you can show me daisy, saying those words out of her own mouth. Then I will accept. That is all for now :)” Yeah, that’s dogma. “P.s There’s a video of Rian “It’s all in the movie” hit me up if you need help finding it. ;) There’s a podcast by Empire on soundcloud you can listen to.“ Show me.  -_- “And I find this video very suspicious indeed. I could talk a bit about why, but you’d think I’m too analytical... but it’s whatever. Someone with common sense would put that clip online. People would share the heck out it. Their website will be tons popular. Readers increased to 100x. But sadly for them (and for you) no such thing exists.“ People are already sharing the article. http://wemedia.ifeng.com/44100571/wemedia.shtml https://weibo.com/ttarticle/p/show?id=2309614194049069319771 I feel like you greatly misjudge how popular star wars is in china.  Hint: it’s not that popular. “People are talking, doubting its legitimacy.”  Foreign shippers are.  That’s about it. “Go on then. Defend yourself. Post the full video. This is what people are wanting to know...” Foreign shippers mtime doesn’t cater too do.  Native Chinese fans don’t require a full video. “ I don’t trust it at all.” Do you trust Mark Hamill? Because he’s confirmed the translation “sounds like something Daisy and I might have said”. https://twitter.com/HamillHimself/status/951971613322354688 “Even with the Rey and Poe ship comments from Daisy. They said she said it was “impossible”. Lies. She doesn’t say that...“ Not lies, translation differences.  Chinese and English aren’t related, so you have to get the gist.  Daisy doesn’t think ReyPoe is going to happen, ergo “impossible”.

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On the ridiculousness of this supposed #chinagate

Two quick thoughts about this hilarious shipper craziness because someone official dared not like their ship. 1st bit:  Here’s the interview in question http://news.mtime.com/2018/01/04/1577050-3.html So that we’re all clear: it’s an actual interview from a legit movie review site.  It’s one tiny bit of said interview.  This isn’t some weird anti-reylo website from China - China clearly doesn’t care that much about the franchise and I doubt there are that many super shippers over there anyway.  Certainly not enough to build an entire review website from scratch. 2nd bit: Hamills response. https://twitter.com/HamillHimself/status/951971613322354688 Mark Hamill’s response to the question wasn’t just “I have no specific memory of it”; it’s “Sounds like something Daisy & I might have said, but I have no specific memory of it.”<emphasis mine.  As in that’s in line with their thinking, but he can’t remember the interview.  Because Mark Hamill is a bit older and is usually tired when these interviews happen (seriously, look at any of his overseas interviews.  He’s always spaced out).  Also, even if it HAD been just “I don’t remember” that wouldn’t debunk it: Jeff Sessions doesn’t recall a lot of things that went down at the White House that totally happened. So, it’s not a fake website, it’s not a fake interview, and Mark doesn’t debunk it.  It’s all legit. Now this doesn’t mean Reylo WON’T happen.  Just that Daisy doesn’t think it will, and also isn’t supportive of it.  That’s literally it.

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@Angrydragonpuppy: “First of all. Don’t reblog a Reylo tagged Post.And btw Reylo is canon. Daisy loves their relationship and Mark Hamill talks about the romantic tension between Ben and Rey. Not about a villanious crush, not about a Stalker love. Everyone basically confirmed it, so I will not go and show you every evidence. If you can’t accept it fine. But then I suggest you stay in your tag and don’t reblog Reylo stuff.“ Literally rebloged the post because it was in the anti tag.  -_- And of course I’m blocked.  Discussion scares shippers to death

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To thorkylo, who felt so threatened by debate they decided to block me. I did watch the film.  Snoke literally pulls her up, invades her mind.  Drops her and mocks her.  Kylo does nothing while this happens.  Kylo was planning on killing Snoke from the moment he saw Rey fighting with him.  Heck, he’s probably wanted to do it sooner.

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Problems I had with Star Wars: The Last Jedi...

So, first: Merry Christmas!   Second...  Saw Star Wars again... SPOILERS, obviously. After second viewing, I still like it, but it's now below the Force Awakens for me in terms of how much I liked it.  This is a complicated metric though, as I think it's a better written movie in some ways than Force Awakens.  It certainly takes more risks, and leaves us in a fresher state story wise than ever before in Star Wars.  However, I still have problems, and this time I wasn't as glossed over by the stuff I hadn't seen before to ignore them.  To be fair, Some of the problems I had with it (Super Leia for example) WERE better the second time, but some things got worse.  This will largely be a rant of the things I didn't like, just because I want to get the negativity out.

Most people are complaining about Canto Bight, and it's understandable - not much of consequence happens there.  However, I think a lot of the Rey/Luke island stuff drags on and doesn't really fit together well either.  Rey repeats some version of "Kylo Ren is evil and we need you to come back" three or four times to Luke.  One of them after Luke has agreed to train her already.  It seemed like a ham fisted means of getting her to talk about the Force as a power for Lukes lesson, but if so there are better ways than repeating information both the audience and Luke know already.  I think that section needed reworking.  The first lesson should have been the one in the cave - how the Jedi order were hypocrites and what not.  Then move from there.  Also, Luke should have commented on/helped improve her sabre technique so she's not just proficient after having used it only once.  Him watching her suddenly become a ninja and doing nothing just illustrated that Rey again didn't have to work at being super skilled at something and just sort of was.

While we're on the subject of Rey - in TFA and in TLJ (though much less in the latter thank you Rian) Rey is OP.  Flat out.  The explanation we're given in this movie is that as Kylo get's stronger in the force so does she... despite this notion being nowhere in canon prior (Sidious is the most powerful being on the dark side and Vader is second to him.  Neither Obi-Wan nor Yoda could hold a candle to either, and honestly neither could Luke (well, he could have dealt with Vader towards the end maybe, but definitely not Palpatine).  The force produces no light side equivalent in the 20 years the two run roughshod across the galaxy.  But it does now?

Snokes death is still a supreme waste.  And no it's not similar to Palpatine.  Palps got NO real hype until return of the Jedi, and his death wasn't treated as a joke.  Cut Luke milking the pokemon down and add in twenty seconds of Luke telling Rey in that cave "Snoke made that hole at the bottom of the island.  I fought him there.  I thought I killed him but he escaped and has haunted my family ever since".  <- takes ten-twenty seconds.  You can easily trim 10-20 seconds of this behemoth for enough so that I at least know where he came from.  I shouldn't HAVE to read an EU book to have a little character backstory on the evil counterpart to Luke in this series.  

Also, Rey and Kylo's story arc made less sense to me upon second viewing, because Kylo never seems to show her any conflict within himself before they force touch.  He barks a command at her the first time they link up.  The second he taunts her about the look she gave him in the forest and hints that Luke did something to him.  Third time was the creepy shirtless scene where we get his side of things.  Then Rey jumps into the dark side hole and suddenly she thinks Kylo is okay to have at a fireside chat - and that there's good in him... When he's displayed NO good to her the entire time?    What?  If their link allowed them to see memories - like Rey sees him decide not to shoot Leia - then it's justified, because that moment would have given her a sliver of doubt.  As it is, it just doesn't make sense, and makes Rey come off as an idiot (which, if you wanna make that her flaw - that she's a naive idiot sometimes, that's at least a step in the right direction.)

Also, one of my major problems that the second viewing crystalized for me is - ALL of the characters hold the idiot ball way too long.

Poe is probably the most egregious, but his idiocy I like, because it's a bit more character than the last time we saw him and it gave Oscar Isaac something to do.  I like that he'll be leading the charge next film.

Admiral Holdo though?  Oh, she came off much worse in the second viewing.  She tells no one... NO ONE about her plan?  I could agree with the think pieces I've read about fighting mansplaining and toxic masculinity if it were clear she'd told some people and was keeping Poe and his crew out of the loop as a lesson, but while I agree Poe was out of line - some sort of plan should be relayed to the rest of the crew while they're running for their lives.  She's literally told no one, and her excuse is some random quote that Leia says about "hope being pointless if you can see it (<a paraphrase, sure - but that's her reasoning)" which inadvertently hands Leia an idiot ball.  That's a flimsy as heck contrivance for unneeded tension that doesn't make logical sense, and is directly responsible for literally everything bad that happens to the resistance.

...I still love that character though.  Best death in Star Wars bar none.  Also, Laura Dern played her really well.  I WOULD be willing to read EU books about her and Leia complaining about politics and blasters and dudes and whatever they wanted to talk about while murdering Stormtroopers

On to my favorite new trilogy character, Finn, and his new buddy Rose.  It's still better than I expected from the trailers... but not by much.  I've read a few articles trying to pass his storyline off as character building, including one from Rian Johnson.  In no way do I believe them.  Finn's character is right where he was at the beginning of the movie, only now he's in an apparent love triangle (ugh.)  Some one wrote that the point of his story was to have him grow from someone who ran to someone proud to be in the rebellion... except a.) that was his story arc in The Force Awakens, and b.) he was 100% already working with the rebellion and happy to do it when the film began!  After his initial "where's Rey" he works with and asks questions of Leia about the Resistance's next step - He's all in when the movie begins.  Him running away isn't cowardice, he just literally puts his relationship with Rey over the resistance.  Which makes sense, because she's his first friend.  And also because HOLDO TOLD NO ONE HER PLAN SO FINN THOUGHT REY WOULD DIE!!!  Another option I read for his arc was that Finn learns the lesson not to run into danger... but that wasn't Finn's problem in the film, that was Poe.  Finn was super cautious, trying to escape the ship in secret to protect Rey, and not wanting to ride the horse-rabbit.  And then even after Roses' sacrifice he still thinks he needs to run in to help Luke, so that's not a lesson he learned.  That situation should have been reversed.  Rose should have wanted to make the sacrifice, but Finn should have stopped her.  Just kill the arbitrary "save the things we L.O.V.E.", because that still wouldn't be earned though.  -_-

That said, Rose remains adorable, and fares better on second viewing.  I'm pretty sure she caught on to Finn sneaking off before she let on, and if so, that's cool on her, she's super observant.  My only problem with her character wise was... why was she, a mechanic, flying with Poe and the remnants of Black squadron?  I can sort of see Finn, because he's a soldier, but her being in her own cockpit seemed contrived for her weird rescue attempt that didn't make sense.  (Those things were old, and safety couldn't be great on them, running into Finn COULD HAVE KILLED HIM.  There's her idiot ball).  Apparently there's a bunch of shippy scenes between the two that build up her crush on Finn that were left on the cutting room floor.  But so much was cut that it just feels unearned.

I'm still eternally grateful that Finn finally got a win of some sort after getting kicked around all of TFA.  The fight with Phasma was 100% more awesome on the second viewing because I saw so much more going on.  I now really need a Star Wars fighting game, no lie.  (Also, lets be honest.  Phasma isn't dead.  They showed blaster fire ricocheting off her armor for a reason.  She'll come back and if we see her face there'll be a massive scare over her eye... Or... OH WOW, I LITERALLY JUST THOUGHT ABOUT THIS AS I TYPED IT!!!  EYE-PATCH GWENDOLINE CHRISTIE!  Someone who fanarts DO THAT PLEASE!

BB-8 played deus ex machine one too many times in this movie.

I paid more attention to Hux this go around, and I actually liked him much more as the sniveling weasel who thinks he's more powerful than he actually is.  Domnell Gleeson is so good in that smarmy role.  I can't wait for the inevitable Kylo/Hux infighting.

Why is Chewie getting orders barked at him from Rey?  Shouldn't it be the other way around?  Or could she ask?  It's the difference between "Chewie, swing us around!" and "Chewie, CAN YOU swing us around?"  Minor point but bugged me.

Kylo Ren is my favorite Star Wars villain of all time.  Adam Driver is awesome.  He's essentially a school shooter who has been rewarded with power and nothing can be more despicable.  I really don't want him redeemed.  "Star Wars is all about redemption!"  you might cry.  Yeah, if one wants it.  But kids need to be shown what happens if you reject it too.  Food for thought.

You couldn't have given Benecio Del Torro a name IN the movie?  Finn and Rose wouldn't have asked him?  Huh?

Also, that war profiteering storyline seems flawed to me.  Of course a weapons dealer will eventually sell X-Wings.  If the rebellion beats back the empire in your sector, what are you gonna do?  Sell them cheap but unsafe TIE's?  The logic of that scene didn't work for me, and the storyline seemed discarded as soon as Benecio Del Torro left, unresolved.

There is no reason Lando Calrissian couldn't be in Canto Bight.  Heck, he should have been the dude with the pendant, and he missed Leia's call because he was gambling and not paying attention.  Rose and Finn could have missed him before they saw him... or just not known who he was because they were young when the first rebellion was a thing.

This is the best acting from Mark Hamill in a star wars movie ever.  It's a shame they veered so far away from his original characterization.  I disagree with him on the notion that Jedi don't give up.  But that's because I think that trait is Luke's.  LUKE doesn't give up, even when he should.  So derpy depressed Skywalker doesn't really gel with the rest of the Saga to me.

Carrie Fisher was a gem and will be missed.  She was perfect.

 A lot of my friend who have issues with it say that they think it's a good movie, just not a Star Wars movie, or something along those veins.  I will say now, that having watched it a second time, I don't quite agree, though I see where they’re coming from.  This one felt more like a prequel Star Wars though.  Not in terms of quality though, as I'd say it was much better than the prequels.  Certainly Attack of the Clones anyway, which is still my least favorite live action movie (the Clone Wars Movie is worse).  I don't think it's a great SAGA movie, because Rian seemed determined to throw away most of the promises and intrigues from TFA and ignore basic lore stuff to make this one. It felt like he hated much of the Force Awakens and wanted a mini do-over, which I would argue was a dumb idea. But despite that, it's definitely a Star Wars movie.  Just not a great one for the saga.

Here's the big issue though - the REASON it's not a great Saga movie, is because this story team Disney's cooked up haven't been much of a story team.  When they got the property and decided to do a trilogy, they should have written out a skeleton for the three movies, just so everyone who writes and directs has an idea of where they're going.  Rian had free reign on this one, and it almost felt like he was making both the first and second movie of his own personal trilogy.  I am looking forward to his actual trilogy, because his ideas were interesting to me and I feel like he does love the franchise.  But it did a disservice to this film.

And finally, just because it irritates him so - Reylo is a terrible garbage ship.  I hate shipping in general - but not since SasuSaku have I truly loathed the idea of two characters hooking up.  Shoot, Reylo is worse.  In no way should it happen.  Honestly, it shouldn't even be promoted, and should be looked on the way Sansa and Joffery's relationship as looked at.  The fact that SO MANY media outlets are romanticizing the damaged white boy (and sorry to make it racial, but it really does feel like there's some of that in there) and thinking it would be totally hot for the first truly prominent female protagonist in Star Wars history to boink him makes me fear for society.  Literally any other ship is preferable to this...

Star Wars is my favorite franchise of all time and holds a special place in my heart, and this movie does bring that love back.  But the people who are confused as to why it’s not as liked as ESB should take a more critical eye to it.  It’s great, but not that great.

...And again merry Christmas!

[sonfaro]

The entirety of the Star Wars tag is full of shippers.  It’s my own personal nightmare.

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Arguments Reylo’s Make That Boggle My Mind Pt. 2

1. Ben Solo and Rey are Anakin and Amidala reborn to do their relationship right. If that’s the case they’re already off to a terrible start, what with the ‘Anakin’ in this scenario taking part in the largest terrorist attack the galaxy has ever known.  More to the point, WHY would they be reincarnated?  Anakin fulfilled his destiny by destroying the Sith and restoring the balance.  That’s canon per George.  There’s literally no reason to return.  And why would Amidala come along?  She wasn’t force sensitive at all. 2. In The Force Awakens, Kylo carries Rey bridal style Like this thing:

Notice, the woman in both this shot and in the Force Awakens, is unable to consent and is being kidnapped.  Which, I’m sorry, isn’t romance.  Speaking of... 3. Star Wars is a romance If you mean a quality or feeling of mystery, excitement, and remoteness from everyday life, sure.  It’s a science fiction soap opera. If you mean a feeling of excitement and mystery associated with love, then... no.  No it’s not.  That sort of Romance is included, but the overarching theme is a grand adventurous myth.  Not who will bone who.  Speaking of boneing... 4. Any sort of freudian sexual metaphor. Just don’t. 5. Even if it’s abusive, so what?  Look at the scene in Gone With The Wind when Rhett carries Scarlett up the stairs and forces himself on her.  A lot of women found that more thrilling than repulsive. Which is weird.  -_- That's some problematic behavior.  Especially these days in the post Harvey Weinstein scandal world we live in. 6. Whatever this nonsense is:

Context, framing, and characters are all different.  Like, drastically so.