#S4 Lineup

[bejeweled-wahlberg]

S4 Episode Lineup!

S4 will have 30 Episodes! And a Valentine’s episode and will end in April of this year (S5 might happen in May with 21 episodes probably)

[zannolin]

your posts about stranger things has the same energy as me begging my brain not to watch voltron every few years.

you know i'm genuinely at the point where i've made peace with voltron. i think fondly of my old klance aus. sure things ended badly but there were gigantic robot cats who doesn't love that?

stranger things and i however. we have not seen eye to eye since season two. and i was never even that into it. so why the HELL am i being haunted this way....

[catastro-ophe]

Lineup of the S4 gang i did i think a year ago ?¿

😋

[beautifulterriblequeen]

Wait you wrote some of the Dragon Prince's Reflections short stories? That's awesome, congratulations! What was that like and how much lore did the showrunners give you access to, or were you allowed to make your own additions to canon? 😃 Which ones did you work on if I can ask? Thanks!

Oop, this question came in while I was answering another one! I just went over which Reflections stories were my work here! tldr, most of the first volume and one in the second volume.

I worked with Devon on ideas to pitch, and then on crafting and polishing the ones that got approval. I only needed to know a little bit of lore from upcoming seasons in order to write the stories, but with the timeskip between S3 and S4, I necessarily had to know a few things, like "so it's been two years."

I did get a couple of references to look at, such as the design of the soul candle for "The Queen's Soul," since that was an asset they'd already created for the show. And I did get to watch an early version of the first episode of S4, for character/design/location/etc reasons. A picture is worth 1000 words, etc. But most of my stories were just little bubbles stuck on the side of the main plot bubble - as the Reflections series was originally pitched to be! It's full of treats and foreshadowy lil clues, but in the end it's just fun supplemental material for the extra nerdy to indulge in! So there was some freedom in pitching and writing, as long as it held to theme, and we had a lot of fun bringing these little moments to life.

Crackledrake is my favorite short story because I got to add the cute little ritual to Sunfire canon and created the lore behind it. It's inspired by the real-world tradition of snapdragon, so you can see I was super inventive with its TDP name there! I gave Janai and Amaya their own Xadian fruits and nuts, though, as they deserve. I can't say I did so with a straight face, though. My face was extremely gay about it, actually.

Rise Again was another of my pitches that got accepted, and writing it really helped me connect with Claudia in a way I hadn't before. I've felt differently about her ever since, and that wouldn't've happened if I hadn't gotten to spend time with her and give her Burnt Biscuit.

I think Changing of the Guard was already in the pitch lineup, but I was really excited to get to write for Soren and Corvus. I always enjoy when opposite personalities try to come together! I tried my best to add some angst into Corvus' backstory, but I had to trim it for length so he remains mysterious. But King Ezran's Belly Full of Jelly tart-eating contest is a thing I've put into the world, and I'm genuinely pleased with that. And then there's all the *waves Sorvus flag*. I just think they're neat! (and you're welcome)

[zones-spinterest-corner]

Me when uh

The uhhh

Art dump moment

Made a lineup of the ocs I made (plus Ecllipse because idk if he really counts as an oc) that play an important role in Synthesised (Circulace/beam and Ecllipse are s2 important, Karat is s4 important and also we hate her) as I kinda needed refs of em

Other stuff related to s4 and the “Karat is a bitch and drives a wedge between the main heroes” plot

More under cut as I think they need it (so: warnings for vaguely implied experimentation and also doll-like nudity and scarring beyond this point)

Decep Torture.jpeg (if you can’t tell already, Dub is an irredeemable bastard in Synthesised)

And lastly: idk I wanted to draw Cusic sans the shirt to get a feel for his scarring n stuff (he may or may not have a few body image issues)

[cogmented]

the new additions

s4 lineup

[sm0kebreaks]

fighting for my life to draw things

its been like a year since my last lineup heres some new jons

[ID, six drawings of Jon Sims from The Magnus Archives through the seasons. The drawings are grey scale with pops of red throughout. Jon is a thin Indian Man with greying curly hair and a full mustache, he wears square glasses and a black ace ring on his middle finger. The Jons are labeled S0-5:

S0 Jon has a full head of hair, and is talking excitedly to someone off-screen.

S1 Jon has close cropped hair, and a receding hairline. He holds files and a mug and looks grouchy.

S2 Jon looks exhausted and nervous, his hair has grown out slightly so his curl pattern is visible again. He has accrued small round scars on his arms and face.

S3 Jon holds his hands nervously at his chest, he looks off-screen in fear. He has bandages on his neck and right hand. His hair has grown long enough to cover his ears, he has a small patch of facial hair on his chin.

S4 Jon is gaunt and sad. He has downcast eyes and drooping shoulders. His hair is cropped almost to the scalp. He has burn scars on his face, hairline, and back. Areas of his scalp with burn scars grow no hair. He is unshaven and wearing an oversized sweatshirt.

S5 Jon has long flowing hair and a full beard. He has four eyes on his face, and two more that sit vertically on his forehead. His pupils are red. He stares fiercely and angrily off-screen, and a giant disembodied red eye hovers behind him, staring in the same direction.

End ID.] ID credit to @hotdrinks thank you!

[kradogsrats]

If Soren seems to have gotten sick when he was a toddler, do you think Lissa left shortly after Claudia was born…? Maybe that doesn’t quite line up, actually…

Okay so I saw someone ask Aaron Ehasz a similar question about the timeline of Soren's illness re: Viren's dream vs. the events presented in Puzzle House, and I cannot remember where it was but his response was something like "hm... well you should probably believe the show."

Which immediately made me go "oh my god was Soren actually dead for like three to five years and Kpp'Ar was looking for a unicorn horn to resurrect him in a manner similar to the Star magic spell that 'restores bodies to separated spirits' and then instead Viren stole Ziard's staff from him and used that??????" which is a) insane, and b) has several reasons it probably isn't the case. But it's a thought I had.

Anyway, let's look at our contrasting sources:

Puzzle House

Puzzle House establishes the following sequence of events:

Soren is ill to the point of dying

Kpp'Ar disappears

Soren gets better

Lissa leaves

It's also implied that this was all pretty recent, between King Atticus's concern for Viren and Soren's for Claudia:

So, how old are all these extremely precocious young children in Puzzle House?

Well, Sarai is... quite pregnant. She's got a pretty small frame, but I'd still put her at like 30 weeks, minimum. Ezran is pinned at 10 in the official character lineup. (In s4 he says he was "nine years old" when Harrow was killed. Given his March birthday, he is probably fudging that a bit since s1 starts mid-May so he was pretty recently 10 at the time.) Viren also puts Harrow's coronation and Sarai's death at nine years earlier, at which point I would estimate Ezran at roughly 6-8 months, given how he is portrayed.

Also given the mid-May start to s1, we also have Claudia at almost 17, and Soren at about 18 and a half. Soren is about 18 months older than Claudia. So between all of that, we can probably ballpark Puzzle House at about one year before Harrow's coronation. This puts Soren at about 8 and a half, and Claudia at almost 7. (And Callum at about to turn 5, if anyone's keeping track.)

Given the way it's spoken about, I would not put Soren's recovery at earlier than 6 months prior, and probably more like 3 or so. This roughly lines up with the estimates I had for everything before, so idk go me or whatever.

Strangers

We do also have a third source for details on Soren's illness, which is the Strangers short from Reflections. This establishes that Soren was old enough to remember details about that time:

If Soren was the age he appears in Viren's dream, then a) he probably wouldn't remember any of it, and b) Claudia would have been an infant. Now, an infant can definitely cry in their room until morning, but I do think the implication here is supposed to be that she was old enough to understand what was happening and have emotions about it.

Additionally, Soren thinks of the slow breaths practice as something he did therapeutically for a long time:

Basically, I think it's pretty clear between this and the info in Puzzle House that the Puzzle House timeline is accurate, but Soren initially developed what was actually a chronic illness much earlier.

Viren's Dream

Now, what about Viren's dream?

It's incredibly difficult to pinpoint ages of children in animation purely visually, so I'm mostly basing an estimate of 2-3 years old for Soren during Viren's dream off of his demonstrated stage of linguistic development and the fact that he's able to run. He could be delayed in one or both areas, though.

Viren dreams of Soren turning to stone, similar to how Thunder did (and how Viren does in the opening). This is interesting in that the implication is certainly death, but it also has heavy ties to dark magic and the other themes of Viren's dreaming, which I would say put it as more related to something along the lines of a "sealed fate" rather than literal death. Dreaming Viren knows what he didn't know when Soren was that age, and probably developed his first recognizable symptoms—that this illness would come close to killing him, and Viren would give up everything to save him.

There's also a possible implication there that dark magic was actually what caused Soren's illness in the first place, which could be something interesting to explore. (And I've definitely seen people explore it, before.)

Anyway, like most of Viren's dream, it's accurate but not literal.

TL;DR: Dreams are fucking weird, and Claudia was still probably between six and seven years old when Lissa left the family.

[fishcemetery]

Alright folks, let me let you in on a secret.

My favorite version of Cassandra isn't the S2 Cassandra, or the S1 Cassandra, or god forbid, either of the two S4 Cassandras, or even a theoretically possible S3 Unborn Baby Cassandra

The one I like the most is whatever they were trying to go with for her in that Simgolf nonsense. The sad altar abandonee can sit on a shelf, my fighter of choice is the golf-club-swinging Manson-quoting death-loving rock goth nerd. The coolest Cassandra in the Cassandra-cooler-Cassandra lineup. Her sprite is like, a 5.5 pixel blob and an S1 head, so I get to get wacky with designs, which is also a plus

Yeah, girl. Into the river Styx.

[raayllum]

Loyalty and Love :: A Miyana Meta

In S4 and S5, one of the most interesting side characters introduced, upon further reflection, has definitely been General Miyana of the Six Horns. Although mostly there to be a trusted confidant and sounding board for Karim, in S5 she's allowed to be a lot more active and interplay a lot more with themes the show is steadily more explicitly exploring in regards to love and loyalty, which is what I'm gonna talk about today.

So without further ado, let's get into it.

The first time we see Miyana is in the tent with Karim for Janai and Amaya's initial engagement announcement / celebration.

It is worth noting, I believe, that Karim initially didn't want to tell Janai about is concerns over her marriage, but Janai urged him to be honest with her about what was bothering him. (Talk about a catalyst for unwanted consequences). Given that Karim is clearly close to Amaya to have seen her effect on Amaya ("Well sister, it can finally be said: you have met your match... Janai, I have nothing to criticize about Amaya. I love Amaya! She is strong and funny, and she makes you happy") as well as for Amaya to consider the marriage merely "officially" making him her little brother. Miyana and Karim might've shared similar reservations and worries about the humans' continued, growing presence in 'New' Aurea, but we simply don't know enough to say; perhaps she brought muttering from the other Six Horns to him, and that was the initial seed (or the other way around).

When the incident with the architect and the Soul flame candle happens, though, Karim starts to lose his impatience.

K: This is the problem! Like all the other humans, even your wife-to-be thinks this is a joke. [...] You know what must be done. Call a Tribunal of the Six Horns.

And this is also where we start to see the political implications of Miyana and Karim's relationship. But first, a few assumptions:

Miyana is close enough to the queen to be sent to report news to her, something we see only Kazi and Gren do to either Amaya or Janai (5x07)

Janai trusts Miyana with the Sun Seed and is comfortable operating on a first name basis (5x07), particularly in Amaya's absence

Miyana leads the lineup of the Six Horns, likely indicating either senior-ship or authority among the group

Karim and Miyana have likely been together for a while, but are seemingly not wed. Janai refers to him as "kid brother" which indicates a more prominent age gap between the siblings (anywhere from 7-10 years in my experience) and does not mention Miyana when she says, "I'm supposed to criticize your love life, not the other way around" (4x02)

Either Karim and Miyana have kept their relationship entirely secret, or Janai knows but does not disapprove, and assumes she still has Miyana's loyalty due to her continued presence at camp even after Karim's exile / not helping him when he asked in 4x09. I personally lean toward her not knowing due to their late night scheduled rendezvous, but you can interpret it both ways

Either way, they clearly care about keeping their relationship secret as when he goes to her quarters in 4x08, Miyana says, "What are you doing? We shouldn't be seen together" (showing that they are both politically minded enough to be willing to stay a secret for no other apparent reason, too).

Given that Janai and Miyana have both worked as prominent generals and her close relationship with Kairm, Miyana has likely known the Sunfire royal family for some time (possibly since childhood)

Miyana is not the first to cast judgement, either, at the trial's end, with everyone else changing their fire first. (This could indicate the opposite of what leading the line did, and that she is in reality the lowest of the Six Horns, or could not be custom at all - who knows?)

After all, we know the outcome Karim wants - punishment and "justice" and that by calling the Horns, he will likely get what he wants, as he knows Miyana will likely side with his choice as well. This is supported in canon since the Horns likewise unanimously vote that Lucia is guilty even with Amaya's testimony; it is singularly Janai's decision of what she is being sentenced to that spares her.

It's implied that when Karim left the tribunal angrily, he was waiting at the wall to meet Miyana when Janai intercepted him, given that it's his and Miyana's meeting spot later than episode, and she playfully chides him for being late.

Miyana doesn't seem particularly upset herself about anything that happened at the Tribunal, even if Janai certainly didn't go with what sentencing Miyana had had in mind when choosing guilty as a verdict. She also doesn't seem super shocked that Karim is going to well, conspire to go against his sister (which is treason) but to be fair, she is mostly there to 1) establish that they're in a relationship and 2) so Karim has an excuse to say his thoughts out loud so the audience can hear them. You can, however, also read this very laid back reaction as one of well - future loyalty, as we'll soon see, but also perhaps a sign of caution, which is Miyana's most valuable trait in contrast to Karim's more impatient nature. And if the previous implications are right - Miyana and Karim both putting their political power over being open about their relationship, it would make sense that they must politically agree / have values that align beyond just "your values should match up when someone is your partner" y'know?

"These things take time." This is, of course, the last thing Karim wants to hear after learning about Janai's 100+ year plan to restore their people's peace and security, a day that neither them nor their potential children will leave to see, so he doubles down accordingly.

Miyana being more cautious/patience makes sense, too, given that she's not nearly as irate about Janai and Amaya doing well, anything, at this point as he is.

Miyana's emphasis on "Did he win?" (a focus on securing victory and hedging your bets/choices correctly) over Karim's "He did, but the point of the story is not who won. The duel stopped the war" and stopped the clash between siblings, which is ultimately what Karim wants. He never thinks that Janai will accept the duel, but that she will abdicate, leave with her wife, and they can both get exactly what they wanted, particularly since as Janai said, "I never wanted to be queen" (4x02) a perspective that has changed because of the Tribunal he urged her to call and because of her growing bond with Amaya (4x08).

So by this point in the story, we know that:

Miyana is close to the royal family

She cares about her own political values and power enough to be willing to hide her and Karim's relationship for their mutual political gain, particularly in situations like the Tribunal

She's caring, patient, and less irritable than her partner

She's cautious and plays the long game - not stepping in to help Karim in 4x09 when she sees the tide has already turned against him, knowing she'd be more valuable remaining at camp until she can make her own play

She thinks through more of the angles (such as questioning what will happen if Janai accepts the duel, which Karim never really considers as an option)

S5 doesn't really give us any new information - it just doubles down on all of these, but allows her to do so independently without Karim's own pushing. Rather, Pharos arriving and almost implicating her serves to tell her what Karim wants, even if she doesn't know why yet.

This 'demand' tells us more about Karim in some ways than it does Miyana. It shows that he misses her, it indicates that he trusts her still which this episode later proves, and it's a way to give her an excuse to see him again, which we know he desperately wants (but we're gonna talk a lot more about their final scene, just you wait) that she may not be able to take without causing suspicion otherwise.

It's also why he cries when she does show up in 5x09, because when she didn't in 5x08, he thought she'd truly betrayed him and changed sides (hence why he was maybe more angry at Janai and Amaya than he previously ever had been before, given what he'd 'lost' to them), believing retrospectively that his love had truly forsaken him.

But she hadn't. Because she betrayed Janai instead.

Karim isn't in a particularly good place at the end of season four, either, with losing his duel (but having his life spared) and his political machinations and future for his people blowing up in his face. But he's in an undeniably worse one (at first) in 5x09, having tried to legitimately kill his sister (which wasn't the initial plan in 4x09) and failed, enlisting a dubious assassin who also abandoned him when it suited her, getting his ass kicked by Amaya, his plan to heal Sol Regem and get his aid indefinitely stalled without the sun seed, losing the love of his life, and losing his mother's ring, to boot.

It is quite literally only because of Miyana that absolutely anything gets turned around and even before Miyana reveals that she's absolutely changed the game in his favour, Karim is still emotional and overjoyed to see her (and we start to see their, let's say Parallels, come to light...)

Amaya: You abandoned him. You broke his heart.

Callum: Well, some things have changed, but not everything: I would do anything for you.

Opeli: Don't you want to know what she was up to? Why she did all this? Callum: If she didn't tell me, she has a good reason. [...] Rayla, I was wrong. I waited too long. I hope you know—

In spite of less than ideal appearances, in spite of perceived or actual abandonment, in spite of apparent indifference, they've stayed loyal to one another through everything. As they clarify tearfully to themselves, Miyana's Love for him is Synonymous with her Loyalty. They are one and the same.

You might say that she would Do Anything for him. Even when quite literally everyone and anything else turns against him, she is in his corner - and makes all the difference. I dunno about you, but I kinda have to respect it.

Which, okay, yeah Miyana is loyal to Karim because she loves him. Duh. Why does this matter thematically? How does this develop one of the other major explorations / notions of the season? Well...

(Cut lines from Finnegrin's Wake) Finnegrin to Callum: Seems to me that love's got a tighter grip on you than those chains round your wrists. So I'll do you a favour and set you free.

A slave to your loyalties.

Your loyalty? My love.

Interesting, don't you think?

TLDR; Miyana's love and loyalty to Kairm helps reinforce the "in the name of love" motivation that we increasingly see the main cast be embroiled in over the course of Arc 2, for better or for worse, with interesting implications for her history with the Sunfire Royal Family, and possible reaffirmation setup for Callum and Rayla moving forward.

[nix-writes-mcyt]

Just seen the MCC lineup. Me and the Fiancé will be watching the Pink Parrots.

I was going to watch the Pete stream but I'm sorry, Tango Impulse Etho Skizz is too good to pass up. It's going to be so much fun.

Also so many hermits! I really hope that all the hermits and everyone else enjoys the S4 kickoff!

Should I liveblog?

[actonesceneone]

🌞🌞🌞 GGST S4 LEAKS 🌞🌞🌞

season 4 lineup is looking pretty good! Interesting to see that there’s a guest character (I’ve never seen cyberpunk so I don’t know what to think tbh) but i’m glad venom and dizzy are back. now where’s haehyun….

[moonspirit]

do you think that if Reiner had Died instead of Porco that the ending with the ambassadors would have still been the same?

Hmmm. Oh god I'm very bad at canon-divergent analysis T_T

I think what makes Reiner's eventual survival so impactful is that for the greater part of his life, he was so fraught with guilt over his actions that he wanted to die. His suicidal wishes and attempts were never successful and in the end, he comes out of everything alive, at long last allowed to live freely as someone who helps others, which was the type of person he always was, right from the beginning.

@aquietjune in her Pieck Essay (an extremely well done write up and a fantastic read, I highly recommend it!) talks about the final lineup of "heroes" to counter the Rumbling, and the balance in numbers. Specifically she talks about how Pieck joining the alliance balances the numbers in terms of Paradisians & Marleyans present (Armin, Jean, Connie, Mikasa, Levi.... Reiner, Annie, Pieck, Falco, Gabi. You see?). While I leave the essay to speak for Pieck's character and significance, I think another perspective to the point June makes, is how Reiner's presence affects those in the alliance in their fight for what they believe is right.

Reiner's character is not only integral and crucial to all the events that unfold in S1-3, it's also incredibly important to understand the Marleyan point of view when we are finally introduced to the Warriors in S4. We don't know Pieck, Porco, the warrior kids, Magath. We know Zeke, but not much. But we do know Reiner, his past, his life on Paradis, the kind of big-brother figure he used to be to the 104th... which is why when he ends up fondly reminiscing about his life there in front of a shocked Gabi and his family, we already KNOW the reason behind his lack of hostility even before Gabi questions it. Reiner is the link between the Scouts and the Warriors when Isayama flipped the coin to tell us the story of the other side.

Reiner's true personality (kind, helpful etc) is what helps us empathize with his guilt and intent when the Alliance forms. What he tells Connie and Jean on the flying boat is important: that despite the wrongs they've all done in the past, they should still do what's right in the present. It's the hand he extends that puts the last of the hesitance between the Scouts and the warriors to rest. Reiner's significance in the story, from where he began to where he's come, is the final link in the chain for reconciliation. It is very poetic then, that he jumps to his apparent death to stop the Hallucigenia, something that is struggling to just survive in its own right, a.k.a. fighting the very thing that gave him life, only to survive at the end of it and live on instead.

Anyway.

Our "proper" introduction to Porco is through a stunning display of his arrogance and ignorance when the Scouts land in Liberio and quickly overpower him. Porco is our classic Warrior adult, unlike Pieck or Zeke or any of the kids, he's blissfully unaware of the Devils on Paradis being... well, not devils. He's very prideful and prone to lose his temper, but all that aside, what sets him apart from any of the other warriors is his loyalty to HIS purpose and his friends. Even in the end, his sacrifice is for Falco, not for anybody else (imo).

Porco being the one to survive instead of Reiner makes me wonder if he would've been a smooth-functioning limb of the Alliance at all. What would he have fought for? Why would he have fought for it? Knowing all his friends in Liberio are dead, would he have agreed to join hands in the first place? I think there would've had to be a drastic reckoning of the cruel reality before Porco agrees to become an Alliance member. A "hero", if you will.

And if it happened, I think it would be quite rough and uncomfortable with the Alliance six, in the end. I can't see him getting along with anybody except Pieck in that bunch ahaha xD Reiner then becomes prone to being bullied by both Porco and Annie, Jean hates Porco and vice versa, Connie thinks he's an idiot (and vice versa!, both of them don't have any general knowledge) and Porco straight up calls Armin a naive weakling which... doesn't help Armin's lack of self-worth. Pieck's the only one who's able to "calm" Porco but really, how much do you think she can do?

[vexcraft]

Need help with Convex, please!

Hi, Hermitcraft enjoyer who jumped on in Season 7 here. I recently finished updating my hermit tier list (gives my fingers something to do while watching episodes) and found that Scar and Cub are my fourth and third place favourites respectively. (Zedaph and Gem btw). Obvi this got me thinking about how there is, theoretically, an entire season and a half's worth of dynamic between them that I've never seen! This is exciting, except, I don't really have time to watch through the whole of their seasons 5 and 6 to get to the good duo stuff. (Both of their season 6 lineups are well over 100 episodes... Cub has over 200!! Yikes.)

So I'm consulting you, an expert, to help me out. Is there a list of particular episodes that show off their dynamic especially well? Or, if not that, then is there a good jumping on point from one or both perspectives to get right to the good stuff? I suspect the seasons don't just start with them teamed up after all. A number past which they're already an established group would be nice to know.

hello! welcome to a massive rabbithole :D

there are two playlists of the episodes with their interactions (s4 & s5 and s6) if that's something you would be interested in, though i can't necessarily recommend those for properly wanting to learn about them as you would miss quite a lot of stuff and things will most likely feel confusing :p if i remember correctly the vex stuff starts in scar's episode 24 and cub's episode 40 in s5 so i guess that could maybe be a bit of a jumping on point? (though there are a few pranks before that, you can find a links to the prank episodes here)

unfortunately the thing with convex stuff is that it's rather... complicated. it's everywhere, once you start looking. little bits and casual mentions all over the place. my best tip would probably be trying to watch through the seasons while doing something else, having the episodes play in the background so you can tune in when something sounds important, or skimming through things like long parts focused purely on building to get to the more relevant stuff. scar's seasons have less of the vex stuff but they're also a lot shorter and easier to get through and with that knowledge you can pretty easily watch cub's episodes from here and there and have some sort of an idea of what is going on :D it's a lot but man is it also a lot of fun

i'm sorry this isn't a very good answer for what you were asking for but i hope you can still get something out of this!

[bluestrawberrys]

Carl Grimes was suicidal:

S3-4a: After Lori’s death we see Carl slowly start to become more careless with himself i.e. running into the walker infested tombs by himself to save strangers. While the pre s4 timeskip is without conflict and with Rick spending more time with Carl as a father rather than leader gives Carl time to heal and be a kid again the beginning of season 4 quickly gets rid of that progress.

While Patricks death itself didn’t send him back on it’s own Carl wasn’t given any time to process it with having to help take care of the younger kids in quarantine, having to fend off the walkers with rick when the fence fell, before having his entire home destroyed and finding his baby sisters carrier covered in blood. 

4x09: Couldn’t bring himself to shoot Rick when he thought he’d turned, just lay down and waited knowing full well what would happen. If Rick had actually turned Carl would be dead.

s5-6: Carl continues his reckless behaviour, sneaking out of the walls, confronting Ron on his own after he just tried to kill him, luring walker Deanna to Spencer. After losing his eye he starts showing clear self-worth and self-esteem issues with him not wanting to go to hilltop and 

6x16/7x01: Carl was leaning forward in the lineup trying to get Negans attention and apart from Abraham was the only person sitting up straight and looking directly at him.

7x07: Carl had no escape plan, I don’t think he even considered trying to make one. He snuck into the sanctuary to kill negan, Carl didn’t care what happened to him as long as negan was dead. When talking to negan later that episode Carl tells negan he should kill him.

7x16: There is a deleted scene of Carl talking to Rick while they’re getting ready to fight the saviours where Carl asks Rick if he would have chopped off his arm in the clearing and whether he’s be able to right now because he might have to. Once again putting Alexandria and defeating the saviours over himself.

When Sasha was revealed to be dead Carl was the first to act, there were several people with pointing guns at him just seconds ago, who were still right behind him, while they were distracted by Sasha he’s still demonstrating a lack of concern for his own safety

s8: Carl sneaks off on his own to find Siddiq, telling no one he’s leaving let alone where he’s going, in the middle of a war let alone an apocalypse. He also shoots himself, yes he was bit but he still shot himself. 

While Chandler Riggs was recently 18 at the time of Carl’s death, season 8 takes place in May 2012, less than 2 years since s1 placing Carl’s age at 14.

This isn’t very well organised so if anyone has anything else to add feel free to reply or reblog.

[cherryrohan]

what season would you say has the best original lineup?

for me it’s easily season 1. season 2 is definitely the runner-up, but it loses brownie points purely because hannah is insufferable.

for the rest it would be s3 > s4 > s6 > s9 > s7 = s10 > s8 > s5