#RTTE Spoilers

[msnewobsessioneveryweek]

THE GENERATOR TOOK STOICK'S HELMET-

Race to the Edge season six spoilers

[000marie198]

Dagur: "And you carry-! A shield?"

Hiccup: "Yeah yeah. Just a shield. Just a plain old shield."

Dagur: "Very... ornate. My sister had one just like that."

In RTTE, when Heather is reminiscing about what she remembers of her birth father, she mentions about the shield, saying something along the lines of, "He would sometimes let me play with his shield".

And during her flashback, we see her playing with said shield and Dagur running around being his deranged self in the background.

I find it endearing how that shield is the one thing both siblings recall vividly from when they weren't yet separated.

[karamina]

HTTYD Villian Poll (SPOILERSSS!!!!!!)

Not sure if this one's been done before, but I am curious. Post additional options in the comments.

[violet-moonstone]

ok so...im rewatching triple cross and i still don't understand how hiccup got the keys to escape?

am i missing something?

can someone help me pls

[processing-toaster]

i cannot begin to describe how angry dagur’s shaven face makes me

[hmmithinkimanartist]

Did you know that there are very few art with Throk?

So Ulyana got to the island of Caldera Kei when she was 16 years old. She is a year older than Hiccup and the others.

[creeky-cricket]

i swear to fucking god im going insane

The songs my mind first goes to are

Call me maybe, Domino, or some other 2000-2010 song

...maybe grenade by bruno mars??

BUT I JUST DONT KNOW. THIS FUCKING QUESTION IS MY ROMAN EMPIRE

'WHAT TUNE DOES SNOTLOUT SING TO IN TONE DEATH'

im going to go insane

What do you think about the musical episode ? Personally, I rarely like that kind of thing..

Personally, as a hardcore musician and composer, musical episodes tend to be a huge hoot to me! XD

I think that “Tone Death” has its positives and negatives. I love that the writers legitimately tried to write a musical, but also that they gave a good backstory for why all the characters were singing in the first place. They didn’t belt their voices out of nowhere for no explicable reason, but they had a purpose to keep singing all the time.

I also like the personality behind each of the main songs the characters sang. Hiccup would sing something like that. And Snotlout’s… Snotlout’s was the best. It captured his personality perfectly, the music was the catchiest and best orchestrated, and Snotlout sang it pretty well.

I also think that, humor-wise, it hit solidly for a lot of fans. I think that a lot of us were laughing pretty hard when we actually saw Hiccup open his mouth to sing. I felt second hand embarrassment for Hiccup, but was laughing enough that I actually had to skip back a few minutes in Netflix to rewatch the moment and catch what Hiccup’s lyrics actually meant.

So there were definitely some positives here! I’m legitimately glad they tried! I went off and told my friends this thing existed as soon as I finished watching the episode!

But… still… you might have noticed I said “tried.” Sorry for that word, friends… but as someone who’s done a lot of music… “tried” is the word I’m going to use to describe the overall execution of the episode.

I will admit, as far as my own perspective is concerned, that I feel like they wasted a lot of potential. They wanted to write a musical episode, but it looks like they didn’t know how to properly execute it. Ironically, it appears as though they planned and focused the least on the music out of all parts of the episode. 

What I feel happened is that they got the music composition team into the picture too late. WAY too late. It seems like they thought that they could write the lyrics of the music into the script and sneak the music production into the picture later. While that is the way it tends to go down in animation when the composer is simply doing background music, that’s not at all what you want for a musical when music is the forefront! I can tell, just by listening to the final results, that there was not enough collaboration and emphasis given on the music. The singing on all the characters was drastically out of tune, and even those individuals who brought in some proper singing technique (like Snotlout) missed more pitches than they should. In some areas, it looks like the voice actors were simply given the script in the sound booth and they had to sing and make up melodies on the fly… and that’s part of the reason we have so many melodies sound mysteriously like famous tunes.

Hiccup’s song? The first line starts strangely similarly to “When Johnny Comes Marching Home”, and all the following lines I swear are barely changed from something in Broadway or some sea shanty or both… I’m REALLY annoyed with myself, but while I recognize the tune, I can’t remember the stupid name (*whispers*… someone help me…).

And at the very end, when the youths are confronting the large Death Song, there are some other suspiciously similar melodies, too. Snotlout is soooo not singing an original melody (again, today is not my day, help me on the name, it’s driving me INSANE… I KNOW THIS STUPID SONG AUGH… notes are G A G D C G A G D C), nor do I believe is Hiccup.

If we wanted this to have worked fully, the musicians would have needed to be far more in the forefront and more proactive getting this done. I’m guessing that the leadership ladder didn’t work out right, they made some rookie mistakes about how to interact with musicians because they’ve never had to coordinate so closely with musicians, and the result we got for this musical episode was some singing but not as strong and outgoing of a musical as we could have gotten.

The animators could have watched a few singers to also learn how to animate singing faces… you gotta have your mouth open, folks! But, hey, I would have been fine if alone they’d done a bit better of a job with the tunes.

So it was a lot of wasted potential. Great potential, but not capitalized upon as much as it could have or maybe even should have been. They could have done a lot more with this musical episode. They could have brought the singing element in earlier, staggered the songs, made the songs more memorable and impacting, got better recordings of the singers, and made the songs more original instead of rip-offs. There’s a part of me who’d love to redo all the songs and give them the proper production and attention they deserve. Because it is a fun concept. I know it might not be your sort of thing, which is totally fine, but for others, this is an awesome reality come true!

[green-crow]

Absolutely self indulgent post but

HTTYD characters and what TMA entities I'd assign them

(just as a disclaimer, I'm assigning them one that fits their personality, and another one that fits their fears, sort of what they'd thrive in and get pulled into to become an avatar VS what would kill/feed off of them)

Hiccup:

Personality-wise, the vast is just too good of a fit for him. Part of why Hiccup loves flying is his friendship with Toothless no doubt, but he also adores the vastness of the sky, the fact that there are literally no limits for him. He could go and on and on, and he probably would have were it not for his responsibilities in Berk and his friends later on. This boy would be seen having fun as an avatar of the vast like Fairchild, he'd have such a blast. Bonus points if he has some sort of special bond with Toothless, like Breekon and Hope. Without the one, the other crumbles. They are truly one and the same. I feel like for him to become an avatar, he'd have left Berk in the first movie when he tried to. Fly away instead of facing Hookfang in the arena, have an encounter with the vast, turn into an avatar and never look back. Now, when it comes to his own fear, I'd probably go with the buried. This boy has been on the verge of drowning a few too many times, one of them being in a relatively small space while closed off to everyone else, so he'd absolutely crumble if he got an experience similar to the cave sisters or getting thrown into the coffin. Not to mention the metaphorical spin of this fear that also applies to Hiccup's struggle with being chief. Gone would be his infinite freedom, the endless possibilities of flying off with no worries at all, just him and his best friend. Instead he'd be crushed with responsibilities, buried in the life of a chief far too deep to ever escape. I do like this fear for Hiccup too because it's the opposite of his assigned one, so it gives it even more power.

Astrid:

Slaughter. 100%. I considered the hunt as well, but I feel like this fits better. She's a warrior, a soldier, she's a troop ready to kill and take on any and every enemy in her way to get what she wants. She doesn't have a clear victim, she doesn't hunt others, rather she just has this deep, unpredictable sense of violence rooted inside her that the slaughter would love to get their hands on. I have no doubt she'd become an avatar extremely soon, being marked since little and starting off with dragons before moving on to actual people. Disclaimer because I don't want people thinking I'm an Astrid hater, I'm not saying she's always angry and will kill someone over the tiniest thing unless you are Snotlout, but rather that her anger issues would be perfect for the slaughter to get a hold of her. She kind of reminds me of Melanie in some ways, and if I trust anyone to do what Melanie did, it would be Astrid. As for what she fears... I don't think we see much of Astrid's fears, except for her fear of losing Hiccup or those she cares for. So, the girl is getting into the desolation. I can't help but remember the episode in which she almost lost her parents, and for some reason, I always pictured the house going down in flames. This would fit perfectly with the desolation, her loved ones taken away by a sudden flame, destroying lives for a senseless reason such as war and vengeance. I've also considered the corruption, given she almost died of a rare illness that one time, but I'm not too sure about it. She wasn't really scared as she suffered, more like confused and weak, but not scared of the end that was drawing in or the fact that she was ill. She also isn't the biggest fan of the spiral given her annoyance towards the twins, but I think that's more just her trying to keep things organised and running and getting frustrated when they aren't, not an actual fear.

Snotlout:

This one, for the personality one at least, is a tough one tbh. I'm not sure what would feel right for him, maybe because I've yet to study him closer, but for starters, I'd go with desolation personality-wise. Yes, maybe I chose it because he literally has a dragon that sets himself on fire at will, yes, maybe because he discovered a gel that makes everything flammable and canonically uses it for his own amusement. But what if there's more to it? Snotlout obviously has this deep-rooted fear of not being enough, so he always one-ups everyone. He tries to be the strongest, the bravest, the one who saves the day and gets the chick. But with flames on his side, he has a new way of feeling superior. With just the smallest of efforts, he can set aflame anything he wishes. He can burn things, animals, people. He can control fire, and thus, he is superior to others for it. I think in a twisted TMA version of him, Snotlout would love to end others before they can surpass him or just use fire to hurt and diminish others to appear better and stronger. As for what he fears, oh boy, this guy is going straight into the lonely. "The fear of isolation, of being completely cut off and alone or disconnected from the rest of society." Now go to the episode in rtte where he has a nightmare about everyone turning their backs on him and casting him away from their lives. Obviously, for him, it's not so much isolation in itself that scares him but the mix of loneliness and others finding him pathetic and weak, a fear courtesy of his daddy. I do feel like Snotlout is a very social person who needs others around to function, as his whole character arc is a journey of him trying to fit in by following the rules his family, mostly Spitelout, set for him, and the chance of never finding his spot for one reason or another terrifies him. The lonely would have a blast torturing him by making him feel invisible and go unnoticed.

Fishlegs:

I feel like Fishlegs would get pulled into the eye. His curiosity and wish to learn more are some of his main personality traits, so no wonder the incarnation of curiosity would pull him in. I feel like his descent into it would be similar to John's: slowly, without him noticing at all, but being tempted to go deeper and deeper, getting small treats and glances at what he could reach to know. Not to mention how paranoid he gets when he has no sleep as shown in that one rtte episode, which is very similar to season two John. Only when it is too late, he'd noticed he had trapped himself into the position of an avatar, hurting others and acting as the monster he'd be then. I'm not sure he'd go all the way, though - John was alone, paranoid, hurt, it was easy to tempt him further. Fishlegs, however, is far too kind and has Meatlug and his friends for support. He wouldn't reach the avatar level, but I think he'd be a follower at the very least. The issue about trying to pinpoint the fear that would end a character as fearful as Fishlegs is I don't know which one would affect him the most. The lonely would certainly fit, he is a very loving person and would be devastated if he didn't have, say, Meatlug or Hiccup around, and we see him plenty of time searching for validation from his peers, in a way no doubt to fit in with others. But I think he'd be fine being alone, and rather he fears the loss of those connections in itself. Thus, he has a high chance of getting attacked by the desolation. He would do anything for his loved ones, sacrificing himself and overcoming his fears just to save them, partly fuelled by love and, in this case, also fuelled by the fear of losing them. Another interesting fear for him would be the extinction. I have no doubt that in modern times Fishlegs would be into climate change discussions, researching ways to stop the effects of pollution and maybe the effects it has on different species, be it plants or animals. I wouldn't be surprised if he was scared about the end of it all, not death itself, but rather the extinction of different species as the world sinks further and further into desperation. I've also considered the end or the hunt, but, I feel like at least in the show he can get through those, therefore while he fears death or being hunted by others, those wouldn't be his main fears.

Tuffnut & Ruffnut:

Spiral. What, you thought I wouldn't assign the fear of madness to the chaotic Loki worshippers? I considered the desolation for a few seconds given their love of blowing stuff up, but come on. They are the spiral avatar. Michael and Helen should be taking notes from them. You see a yellow door, or in their case probably zippleback gas, and you run. I trust these two to actually perform The Great Twisting and do so flawlessly. The distortion would thrive with these two, no doubt, and the world would be severely fucked. As for what they fear, I'm going to treat them separately in a second, but they do have things in common. They don't have any clear strong fears, except the whole "tears" incident with Tuffnut, which might not even be fear and just something else entirely, and the few times they do seem scared, it's stuff they get over with pretty soon. They obviously don't fear the desolation (while they were sad about the change of getting separated, Ruffnut acted accordingly to Tuffnut's "death", I feel like it was just regular grief, not really an over-the-top reaction (for what the twins are used to) to the loss itself (plus I already assigned it to many people and didn't want to repeat myself)), the corruption (these are the guys who eat mouldy bread and their own toenails just fine), the slaughter (violence is more of a game to them rather than a fear, even when directed towards them), or the spiral. (disclaimer of mild gore incoming; skip ahead to the next character's section if you want to skip it)

For Tuffnut, I'm going with the flesh and the hunt. The main reason I'm assigning two right off the vat is that while both are good fits, the flesh is not really a thing until the Industrial Revolution, so I feel like just like Fishlegs with the extinction, it wouldn't be possible for him to be haunted by it without being part of a modern times AU. Regardless, here's my thought process for both: When I started assigning these to characters I really wanted to give the flesh to someone, and I feel like Tuff is the best candidate. After bonding with Chicken, he is way more perceptive of what he and others eat, especially around his feather friend, and I wonder if that could also be thanks to some kind of fear being transferred from Chicken to Tuffnut. Tuff is highly empathetic, always caring for Chicken's opinions, thoughts, and reactions, so it wouldn't be such a stretch to say he'd somehow understand Chicken's fears to a deeper level than most. In modern times, with how the meat industry works and how exposed Chicken would be to the mutilation and breeding of her kin just for meat, I have no doubt both the bird and Tuff would realize they are just animated meat and bones, a bunch of food ready to be torn apart, disfigured, and cooked. I can see him having wacky nightmares about being reincarnated into a bird himself and then torn apart, feeling every single bite and pull of a human or a creature devouring him. For the Viking era, though, the hunt is my go-to. Following the same line of thought, Tuff would be very empathetic to Chicken's fear of being hunted down as prey to the point of sharing it. We also have some instances where Tuff himself is the one hunted down, like the wolf biting him or the episode where he meets Chicken and is surprised by the night terrors. I feel like, eventually, that'd get to him to the point of being genuinely scared of beasts lurking nearby waiting to hunt him or Chicken down. And as a special mention, I'm also including the dark. It's only because I remembered Ruff mentioning Tuff being scared of the dark when they were kids, so, for the one time I get an actual fear spelt out for me, I'm not throwing that away.

Now, as for Ruffnut, I was completely lost so I went to the wiki for help, and wouldn't you know if I found this: "In the DreamWorks Dragons: The Series, despite having tamed Barf (and technically Belch), she seemed to have a slight fear of wild dragons that could potentially kill her and would often panic in situations in which she encounters a wild dragon. It's also shown that she might be afraid of dying, even to the point of naming the Scauldron "Please-Don't-Kill-Me".". Well, that makes things easier. Ruffnut would be haunted by the end. I guess the hunt would also be an option, given she is scared of wild dragons presumably hunting her down, and it would be cute if she shared a fear with her brother, but ultimately, I think she has either overcome the fear or never had it to begin with. In Rtte, she seems fine being chased down by hunters or infiltrating Viggo's base even with the knowledge that she'd be most likely hunted down and trapped when found. So, ultimately, the end is the one and only fear that would haunt her to the end of times. Sorry I don't have a more in-depth analysis for her; I genuinely couldn't think of anything Ruff would be scared of. If anything, the fears should fear her.

Dagur:

Well, if we take a look at his nickname... Yeah, Dagur the Deranged screams either the slaughter, the hunt, or the spiral. And from those three, I'm leaning more towards the first two. This boy was out for blood since the beginning. But unlike Heather, I feel like he does more violent acts in a fit of madness rather than holding premeditated long hunts. He enjoys the thrill of the battle, but not so much the actual process of getting closer to his prey before ending them. The slaughter manifests as people driven "mad with Slaughter," and Dagur sure does fit the description. He did not care what he grabbed, he just wanted a target to torture and kill. Dagur spends his whole life going from victim to victim in a mindless rage rather than an animalistic or premeditated kind of way. It's violence for violence's sake, and he excels at it. If anything, I feel like most of the people he goes after are mere excuses to perform violent acts, even if, later on, they might actually become real enemies and give him reasons to hunt them down. He would be a follower of the slaughter from an early age, considering his track record, and would rise as an avatar quickly. As for his fear, the desolation makes an appearance once again. I feel like while in his villain era, he did not care about anything or anyone. The slaughter was all he could focus on, all he cared about. The thrill of battle, downing his enemies, why think about anything else when you have those? But after that, after almost dying and straying away from that mindless violence, he started to care. Shattermaster, Heather, his father, Mala, Sleuther, his village... He has people to protect and look after. And knowing firsthand just how ruthless people can be, I feel like the fear of losing everything he worked so hard to get would slowly creep onto him. After falling out of the position of avatar of the slaughter other fears would see him as weak and vulnerable, and I have no doubt the desolation would take him as prey. Funnily enough, one could argue he'd also fear the slaughter or a mix between the two. And it would be pretty petty but also in character of a fear to consume what was once theirs.

Heather:

Given her whole arc of finding and killing her brother... Yeah, Heather gets the hunt. She isn't mindlessly violent like Astrid (not saying Astrid is violent 24/7, rather her anger issues make her most likely to react violently), but rather, she chooses her targets and hunts them down. Dagur, Viggo, whoever it is Heather does not stop once she has marked her enemy. I'd love to see a monstrous version of her similar to Daisy's, but instead of turning into a wolf, Heather would become an enraged razorwhip. ...And now I'm thinking about Heather and Astrid as Daisy and Basira, great. That's a thought for another day. Regardless, Heather the unhinged would definitely get pulled into the hunt at an early age, being vindictive and resentful, and growing up into a fine warrior. She has a thirst for blood, no doubt, and the ability to end with someone else with relative ease. The hunt would be very pleased with her. I've also considered the lonely since she seemed very happy minding her own business before joining the riders or Dagur, but the hunt is just such a perfect fit for her. Now, for her fear, this girl has a long track record of being haunted by the desolation. Losing his parents (both biological and adoptive), part of his village... She can't catch a break. She most likely was marked by the fear right after Dagur set her adrift, and with that, she became that much more vulnerable to it. I can see a world where she becomes so haunted by this she eventually turns into an avatar or the desolation rather than just a victim, sort of like Helen with the spiral, but there would at least be a bit of a back-and-forth between the hunt and the desolation to fight for this girl.

Viggo:

This man wouldn't get pulled into the web, the web would be pulled towards this man. The scheming, the strategies, the toying with your victim and letting them think they indeed have free will only to control them from the shadows... Oh yes, if he was a powerful enemy back then as just a human, imagine with the power of being an avatar. I do wonder at what point he'd turn into an avatar, but I feel like pre-rtte events would make sense. His whole empire would be just a way for him to spread his web of lies and deception, to trap more people into his real-life game of maces and talons, and Hiccup would definitely be at the top of his list. Who knows, maybe it could even be a family thing like the Lukas family with the lonely? I don't think Ryker would be an avatar of the web though, so maybe only partially. As for his fears... Well, we don't see much of that, but I'd discard the hunt, the desolation, and the end. He lost everything, he sacrificed himself without a second thought, and he was hunted down multiple times, all without showing much fear (he was scared when he fell into the volcano but that doesn't seem to me like a strong contender for fear of death or fire, rather just a regular reaction to falling into an active volcano, as one does). If anything, maybe he'd be a victim of the spiral? Hear me out now, Viggo is an extremely intelligent character. His mind is his key weapon, the one and only thing he can always trust. Not his men, not his brother, not his strength, not his gold. His mind. The idea of losing it, of his sanity thinning little by little, growing paranoid of everyone around him... If he fears something, I don't doubt it'd be madness. Oh just how delicious it'd be for the spiral to toy with this man! Michael would certainly have a field trip playing with Viggo.

[hiccbae]

Snotlout, entering the clubhouse while Hiccup and Astrid are setting the table: Hiccup, you cooked?

Astrid: How did you know it wasn’t me?

Snotlout: There’s six people in the Edge, and you’d be my tenth guess.

[lgbtqforeverything]

i just imagined a fire version of this when the fire salamanders were being described

[draqonsblues]

is it required to stare at each other lovingly and affectionately in front of a sunset?????????? after *possibly* fighting a battle?????????????? soulmates????????????????

[000marie198]

He was still deranged before the redemption arc but you can't tell me that isn't a touch of concern there

[neontokyoo]

Back from a very long break (sorry guys). And coming back from that break I’m back in old childhood obsessions. Should I add HTTYD to the masterlist? Fics would probably be from Race to the Edge and later (considering everyone would be between 18 and 31-ish, and this is an 18+ blog), so would that be something y’all would like to see?

Also, feel free to send me any requests (even as it’s still an ongoing poll I’d still accept HTTYD requests, as well 😉), I’m open to pretty much anything right now, as I need to get back into writing after a long break before I go crazy 🙏🏻

Love you guys!

[violet-moonstone]

ok actually i do have comments

viggos sad face is cute

hiccup in the third picture reminds me of roxie in scott pilgrim: "you punched me in the boob!"

smirking viggo is hot

angry/trapped hiccup is also hot

they hold handdsssssssss

viggo's face (bottom right) when hiccup says hes nothing but a common criminal (not knowing that viggos going to help him) causes me pain

viggo smiling without malice for the first time also causes me pain, especially since he's about to die

ok thats all the commentary my brain can handle rn

screenshots from triple cross

my family cancelled our netflix subscription partway through watching it so uh...no more high quality rtte photos from me unfortunately. im not paying $16 CAD just to watch the last couple episodes of RTTE in higher quality

for some reason its not available with the basic $5-6 plan, which I would have been willing to pay

oh well. i got some pretty good screenshots in the time I had access

im a bit annoyed (because i was not told ahead of time that the account would be cancelled)

I don't have a lot of commentary other than that i enjoy seeing viggo and hiccup's expressions (especially viggo's reaction to johann calling him a two-bit crime lord)

[its-raining-tonight]

HTTYD Race to the Edge season 5 episode 13 (Sins of the Past) SPOILER

I'm watching rtte for the first time, yesterday I watched the season 5 finale where we find out that Heather had a dragon eye lens with her since the beginning in her belt

I cannot tell you how dumb I'm feeling since yesterday, how did I spent 5 seasons WITHOUT NOTICING IT?? No fr, I had to go and see if it was really there since season 1, and it was-

It's still bugging me help

[annamatix]

GASP 😱 (i already knew)