#Mike and el are back together
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chirpsythismorning Ā· 2 years ago
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Most underrated byler moment goes to this. Them hugging, only to stand by each other this close, with Will looking at Mike emotionally waiting for him to look back, but all Mike can do is stand there frozenā€¦ Both suffering and not feeling like they can comfort each other any more than they already have šŸ˜­šŸ˜­šŸ˜­
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starbylers Ā· 4 months ago
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You only really need to understand 5 things to know why Byler is happening:
Mikeā€™s arc in season 3 was about pretending to be someone heā€™s not in the pursuit of ā€œgrowing upā€. It was about kids playing at relationships. This was the only season with focus on the state of M!leven while dating & not separated and it was treated as an immature joke.
Season 4, instead of proving to us why M!leven are right for each other, quite literally does the opposite and shows us nothing except them having awful communication & not finding emotional safety in each other. There is not a single scene between them which is an exception to this.
Meanwhile, Mike and Will are attached at the hip. We see how they resolve conflict maturely and between themselves. We see a strong emotional connection. We see how Mike feels more comfortable being vulnerable with Will than he is with anyone else, and how Will is always always there for him. We see howā€¦
Willā€™s painting & monologue (aka his romantic love for Mike) soothed Mikeā€™s insecurities and boosted his confidence. It made him ridiculously happy. And being reminded of this lie about El by Will himself ends up being necessary to encourage Mike to go ahead with his ā€œlove monologueā€, which winds up indirectly causing a literal apocalypse. You cannot make this shit up lmao.
M!leven is entirely framed through Willā€™s experience. Heā€™s in every scene except their fight, his pain and misery over them is never not the focus. Literally never. We are not seeing the story of M!levenā€™s love, we are seeing the story of Willā€™s heartbreak.
Nothing else matters. Like in the most clinical story writing terms, Mikeā€™s character is not going to find out that the person who made him feel the most loved & understood is in love with him and is the one who actually feels all these things about him that just happen to align with exactly what Mike needs to hear to embody the truest and best version of himself, and instead of realising he loves that character back, goes nah Iā€™m good Iā€™ll end up together forever with the person who whilst dating them I became someone I was not and also had terrible self-esteemā€”oh and also the relationship is insanely immature. Itā€™s that simple. Whether or not Mike currently believes he loves El or currently wants to remain in a relationship is so so so irrelevant. Storytelling doesnā€™t care what the character thinks he wants, it cares about what the character needs!
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hellinhawkins Ā· 18 days ago
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hot take but I donā€™t think that lucas or dustin (or anyone, for that matter, other than maybe robin) are going to see whatā€™s going on between mike and will until it happens. they donā€™t suspect ANYTHING. when they actually get together everyoneā€™s going to be shocked
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reineydraws Ā· 2 years ago
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i have a soft spot for fics where billy sort of ends up adopting el and will alongside max. like, these are the kids that get dibs for rides in the camaro haha.
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euryleli Ā· 2 months ago
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We, as a fandom, need to provide more band aus for byler!
I know we do have some but... I don't know about u guys because I could see myself reading a 1000 band aus and never getting tired
It's that serious to me!!
Also, Mike is always the rockstar (which... fair lol Finn has the aesthetic) but why not give Will Byers the chance to be the famous one and for Mike to be the fanboy -> what about two rival bands? Or maybe Mike auditions for a role in Will's band (and vice versa)
We need MORE, SO MUCH MORE!!!
THE POSSIBILITIES ARE ENDLESS
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spookystarfishzombie Ā· 3 months ago
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demadogs Ā· 2 years ago
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no offense but i cannot believe some people only watch this show for byler and dont care about the upside down and everything else oh my god thats so insane to me
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messrsbyler Ā· 2 years ago
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ted 100% meant will when he said "and no sweetie pie" if you even care
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gayofthefae Ā· 4 months ago
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Here's the thing about season 3. Nothing was a secret. There was no lining or buildup. They cleared up the miscommunication in episode 4 and she stood by breaking up with him anyways.
From there, just like I say about Will's feelings being unreciprocated, the problem is unactionable, so there's no lesson and nothing for us to root for.
Mike wants to get back together with El. She knows that. Nothing happens.
The L bomb was dropped as a false sense of momentum, because there actually wasn't any because him not saying it wasn't the problem so it shouldn't be the solution. Usually you have pining. Think the full season breakup story they did the following season:
There was pining. There was investment from US. Because there was setup for confession. Because something was withheld to be revealed. "You know I really like you but you don't know I love you" does not count. Lucas didn't know Max wanted to get back together. They had been broken up long enough and Lucas was respectful enough that Max couldn't be sure either. That setup investment for the notes passing scene. That set up his NERVES in it. That set up me being excited when I saw their first kiss in her 4x04 happy memories sequence. And satisfied to have predicted the Snow Ball as her happiest memory. If Max had known he definitely wanted to get back together as soon as she was ready again and wasn't going to move on at all, there would be no stakes.
Mike wanted to be with El. Then she didn't want to be with him. She can't have the nerves of confessing to him she wants to get back together because she already knows he does. He can't have the nerves of confessing he wants to because he already has. And they didn't establish them as friends solidly or for long enough like they did by establishing that Lucas and Max had ALREADY broken up as opposed to a 6 day breakup arc to make it so that they became unsure of what they once knew to me true of getting back together. Severity of wording changed and El loves romantic tropes in movies so it had influence but really:
Mike had no information to add that El didn't already have. El had nothing stopping her giving Mike information as soon as she had it. There were no stakes. So I didn't care. Whatever happened, cute. That was my thought process. But I had no real investment anymore, unlike when they were building to confession or fighting to get back to each other, because I knew as soon as she wanted to get back together they just automatically would be. So if you, like you were meant to, believed that Mike loved El and knew that she knew that, that scene where she said it back was cute. But not satisfying.
There is nothing to be resolved. We're watching events take place sequentially. Because when there are no stakes, there's no real goal either. Mike invented one for himself because he was uncomfortable with the idea of how comfortable he was broken up.
Tldr: Mike and El's relationship had no secrets and therefore no stakes or opportunity for confession in season 3. El telling Mike she loved him was cute, but not a "confession". Because, just like Mike telling her he loves her in 4x09, if we (think we) know how the other person is feeling and will react, we can't at all invest in the feelings of nervousness or satisfaction that the confessor is feeling.
Season 3 and 4 uninvested us by feigning plots in which they gave us no new information. And bored us. If you know exactly how a scene will play out all but exact wording, you will space out because you can. A writer never wants you to be able to space out and miss nothing. (Until they don't want you to miss what's happening when they take it away)
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bylertruther Ā· 2 years ago
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mike accepting, loving, and celebrating will's otherness while rejecting his own is so . it's literally Soooooo like i can't see through my tears rn jgenuinely . he's so......... i can 't do this icant finish the post he's so . MICHAEL.............
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brionysea Ā· 2 years ago
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getting some real "finding each other in vecna's mind palace" vibes from these two
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chirpsythismorning Ā· 6 months ago
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The way fans on the st sub are almost all in agreement Nancy ending up with neither Jon nor Steve wouldnā€™t be the worst thing in the world, and how they can even come up with a sleuth of reasons as to why, honestly pretty valid and fair reasons, but then are absolutely gobsmacked when fans merely speculate something along those lines for El is, quite something.
#el hopper#byler#platonic elmike#stranger things#this is coming from someone who ADORED mileven in s1-2#I literally skipped all of s2 in my rewatch before s3 aired bc I just wanted to see their reunion#then s3 happened#and I was confused at#A LOT of ppl are#and anyone coming to voice that confusion is ran off Reddit like theyā€™re committing a crime#like would it hurt yā€™all to have some of the same common sense you have for el like you do with Nancy#??#I am more jancy leaning but also I just feel like itā€™s certain stancy ainā€™t happening#but Iā€™m also not totally against Nancy wanting to be on her own for a while#maybe theyā€™d imply jancy Will find their way back to each other#maybe theyā€™re teamed up in s5 and wait until the very end to cement that certainty for each other#but I would not hate their stories if Nancy and Jon decided to live their own lives#FOR THEMSELVES#Nancy doing what she wants and loves#Jonathan doing what he wants instead of just doing stuff that helps people around him#and Iā€™m not going to even get into the reasons why el and mike would benefit from living for themselves outside of their relationship#the attachment to the ship is stronger than any sort of attachment to the character#and when the things keeping them together are not strong to begin withā€¦#that attachment is doomed and hard to watch and enjoy like idgi at all#also; all the pro-ronance comments on there getting like 30+ likes??#go ronance I guess??!??#idk if itā€™s because they think byler actually has a serious possibility while ronance has less build up#so they can sort of play with that idea without actually having to take it seriouslyā€¦#at least ronance has a positive audience on there#a win is a win I guess šŸ˜­šŸ«”
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gay-mike-wheeler Ā· 2 months ago
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something something the fact that almost all the canon couples are shown to be having issues/arguing in st3.
and you know who else is shown arguing?
will and mike.
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madwheelerz Ā· 2 years ago
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Things that would get me like hunted by byler tumblr-
I think there's a higher chance of El genuinely having had romantic feelings for Mike than the other way around
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post-modern-prometheus Ā· 1 year ago
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omgggg literally buffy au !!! with el as the slayer and sheā€™s in these cute little outfits doing backflips and driving stakes into the hearts of vampires and complaining about her homework and the party just finding out one by one about everything. hop as the watcher šŸ˜­šŸ˜­šŸ˜­ henry is the Big Bad Vampire and RAHHHH will getting turnedā€¦ā€¦ā€¦. but they do the thing like angel and restore his soul so now heā€™s their cool vampire friend
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mikesbasementbeets Ā· 2 years ago
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we'll be home soon...
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