#Marauders discourse

[that-one-gay-from-the-gay-club]

THE MARAUDERS ARENT REAL PEOPLE CAN MAKE WHATEVER CHARACHTERISATIONS THEY LIKE

THE MARAUDERS ARENT REAL PEOPLE CAN MAKE WHATEVER CHARACHTERISATIONS THEY LIKE

THE MARAUDERS ARENT REAL PEOPLE CAN MAKE WHATEVER CHARACHTERISATIONS THEY LIKE

Theyre fictiona charachters babe nobody cares that "real people wouldn't forgive their brother for joining a hate group" (wonderful to know you speak for EVERY SINGLE SIBLING ON THE PLANET but dont actually take real people who have real thoughts into consideration bc i would, in their situation, 10000% forgive my siblings. I would understand. Also remember that regulus CANONICALLY BETRAYED THE DEATH EATERS when youre making this argument)

They can be gay!!! They can be straight!!! They can be whatever the fuck we want because theyre fictional characters!!!!

Some people dont understand that theyre fictional, adjective, imaginary, not real

Toodles, start as many arguments if you want

Infact send me hate anons too, ill respond i promise. Youll regret it, but i promise ill respond

Or better yet, go on not anon and prove your brave

Or even better, get a life. This fandom is made of REAL PEOPLE, who wanted to ESCAPE. The writers and artists in this fandom are spending time out of their day to create things for others consumption, for fun, for free. They dont deserve to be sent hate anons. I literally just scrolled past someone sharing anons that called them fat and racist, as if that had ABSOLUTELY ANYTHING TO DO WITH THIS. The racism in question: regulus watching anime. Thats. Thats why.

This fandom has went really downhill recently and im actually really upset about it. I joined this fandom about two years ago when i was goung through a really stressful point in my life and its been an escape ever since. Earlier this year, i started writing. But i havent touched my WIP in at least three months because I havent had the motivation because i dont feel comfortable in this fandom.

And Yes, im tagging a lot of possibly unrelated things across the fandom because everyone needs to see the message

[maladaptivewriting]

every week i see a video or a post that’s like “the marauders fandom is so toxic now, it’s gone way downhill”

have you guys thought about getting a hobby or something? you don’t have to be in fandom spaces. literally just do anything else

[marsabillions]

how it feels admitting you hc a beloved character as a trans woman on marauders tumblr

[hedgehog-troops]

tbch i think the anti marauders fandom/anti jegulus/anti wolfstar etc fandom needs to CHILLLL. like we who love these ship and the fanon marauders are not always talking about how much the antis need to get a life, how they need to be realistic, nor are we sending them death threats or hate messages.

we are genuinely just all little nerd beans trying to have fun.

if you hate jegulus/wolfstar/fanon PLS GO AHEAD. just do it in a not so hateful way??

like i LOVE LOVE LOVE jily. (but i do still love jegulus more) and i hsed to enjoy jily content sm but now most of jily videos and posts i see always have people bashing jegulus in the comments/tags/caption???

like it genuinely puts me off

but you do you <33

(yes ill tag these with both pro and anti tags, i need people to SEE this)

[andyxcds]

i think i finally found the root of the discourse but by God, why are we talking about facism without really understanding what it means?? or being able to seperate a writer from the mature content they might write?

[angelfic]

I thought this would be a fandom where people could stan and ship whoever they wanted without being attacked for it, but all the fandom seems to care about nowadays is Regulus and WolfStar and if you like anything else, it’s “shame on you”. I feel like there used to be more variety of who people stanned from the early days of the Marauders fandom up to 2021. And the way a lot of them do that thing fans of gay ships do where they ship the female character that “gets in the way of their gay ship” with another female character in order to get her out of the way is not lost on me. Like yeah, you can ship MaryLily and Jegulus, but you don’t gotta be an asshole and hate on Jily’s relationship and Jily stans for simply SHIPPING THEM! Or make up lies about Lily to make it seem like she’s a bad person that is undeserving of James and his love.

omg not confession time whsjwiskwkkff yessss ok i agree🤷‍♀️🤷‍♀️🤷‍♀️ however i do i hate jegulus sorry. i do in fact judge people

Like im a diehard wolfstar truther and a jily truther. I rlly don’t like jegulus i think it’s stupid because so many people use it as an excuse to be misogynistic to lily. like im number one jegulus hater. on the other hand i actually don’t dislike marylily, they did nothing wrong. maybe I just have negative feelings towards men <3

also I could write an essay on the correlation between the rising trend of fujoshing out more publicly and without shame vs jegulus fanfics like omg relax ..

why can’t we allow some men to stay pathetic and lonely and sad and dead for the plotttt it’s sexier

[lexithwrites]

Imagine admitting you want to bully people out of a fandom, like, do you not have a job? Bills to pay? Parents to disappoint?

[reallyrandombigurl]

I feel like, if you genuinely like fem!regulus or Sirius, go for it, but when you’re only making them feminine once they start dating a very masculine James or Remus and only to turn James or Remus on or something like that, you don’t actually like fem!regulus or Sirius, you like the fem/masc ship and are forcing that on all your gay ships

Which, like, whatever, but we need to normalize masc/masc male relationships and not push the idea that even though they’re gay, one has to be fem and the other masc to be a valid mlm relationship. Same with wlw relationships it’s just a big issue in the marauders fandom with the mlm relationships specifically

the way people push heterosexual stereotypes onto mlm ships in the marauders fandom and then when somebody points it out theyre like "b..b...but men can be feminine too!" sigh

[sunnysaystuff]

there. did you see that? I just reblogged a jegulus post. and then...and then I reblogged a jily post.

let it sink in.

it's possible. please STOP throwing hate at people who ship jegulus exclusively (or jily exclusively, except they don't get NEARLY as much hate as the people who ship jegulus exclusively...) !! you're turning off people who ship both jily and jegulus to the fandom on the whole, and even jily!!

(I love jily SO much! I love jily more than I love jegulus, but I really hate what some of the jily fandom has become.)

[poitionsprince]

I feel like people don't use Snape's full potential in ships.

Like - he is one of the very few characters who is somehow connected to EVERYONE.

The amount of juice??? The amount of storyline that can come out of that??? HELLO???

[sweetnnaivete]

mad scientist pandora evil surgeon evan hot professor barty and weird man off the street regulus

[resident-gay-bitch]

Okay I’m only responding to this because op literally tagged me in the comments out of nowhere basically saying my opinion is wrong after coming into my own personal comment section saying I’m not allowed to use the platonic prongsfoot tag when writing platonic prongsfoot because it makes romantic prongsfoot shippers upset. And I was just getting a lot of passive agressive attitude for who knows what, and I tried to respond in a civil kind way where I just expressed my personal opinion but I was told that I’m not allowed to do that.

Keep in mind here I SHIP ROMANTIC PRONGSFOOT. In fact they’re actually my favorite ship at the moment, I fucking love them. But I’m also a multi shipper and like wolfstar and Jegulus ans a bunch of other ships involving pads and prongs alike. Including the very important- and very cannon- platonic prongsfoot.

The way I am interpreting everything op is saying is that: (and please, if my interpretations are incorrect let me know because sometimes things are misinterpreted over text and I apologise in advance if I have done this, I will re assess if I have, I do not intend to offend anyone, I’m actually here to do the opposite)

Wolfstar should die because they don’t like it

People are not allowed to ship platonic prongsfoot (and their argument is that a ship is purely romantic and I can understand that interpretation but also “ship” is short for “relationship” which can be both platonic and romantic so using the term ship when pairing two characters together isn’t that big of a deal and not even the main point)

Anyone who doesn’t ship romantic prongsfoot is wrong

And that they’re a really good person because they’re not going around using a “#platonic wolfstar��� tag even tho they ship platonic wolfstar (I’m not saying their a bad person I’m just saying using a tag about a platonic relationship has no impact on weather you are a good or bad person whatsoever)

All I have to say in regard to this, and to anyone that finds themselves reading this, is simply:

Anyone is entitled to ship whatever the hell they want. Wolfstar is one of the biggest ships in the fandom so why not just respect that other people like it? You don’t have too, it’s just two not real characters being put into not real scenarios, what’s the big deal? It’s not harming you.

People can put whatever characters they want together in whichever way they like, because once again, they’re fictional! I love when I see people putting characters in different parings, I think it makes things interesting, but not everyone does and that’s okay too. Not every relationship has to have romance you know? Some people prefer platonic connection. There are plenty of real people in this world who don’t even experience romantic attraction so I’m sure more than most they’d appreciate tags like platonic prongsfoot and platonic wolfstar :) friendships on any level are so so fucking important, if not more important that romantic connection. I don’t understand why you’re so against people appreciating a cannon friendship? You can totally ship platonic wolfstar if that’s what you’re into, sometimes I love their friendship on a platonic level as well, it’s so valuable.

Anyone can ship anything they want. As a prongsfoot shipper, I agree when others say that it seems almost cannon that something deeper and more romantic is going on between James and sirius. I mean they were fuckinf obsessed with eachother to a point t where outsiders couldn’t even picture one without the other. That obsession can create great romantic tension and also creates potential for one of the greatest best friends to lovers story lines in my opinion. But not everyone agrees, and that’s okay! People have their preferences and that’s okay too. Everyone’s entitled to their own, some people just prefer wolfstar, or just prefer Jegulus, or jily, or fucking starkiller or whatver the hell their creative minds whirl up. I think it’s really cool when people ship all these different pairs, romantic or not, because they’re all fictional and it doesn’t actually matter on a wide scale and everyone has their preferences. No ones wrong for shipping or not shipping something. Just like op isn’t wrong for shipping platonic wolfstar!

You can use the tag “#platonic wolfstar” it’s okay! It’s not a crime to use it! I promise. If someone has an issue with it you can simply say it’s not that big of a deal because it’s not :) idk, obviously wolfstar is a very big romantic ship so as long as you’re tagging correctly and specifying that it’s a Platonic relationship you’re referencing or writing, then it’s A okay! I understand the frustration with people tagging “#prongsfoot” for platonic prongsfoot content, it annoys me. But I simply scroll past or politely go into their comments and ask them to specify it’s a platonic connection as people who prefer the romantic use “#prongsfoot” as the main tag. So long as people are tagging correctly, it’s okay! I know not everyone does but people can learn if were kind and share these things with them. People do not appreciate when you come and tell them they’re not allowed to do something in a passive agressive way and say that their personal opinion is wrong because it doesn’t aline with your own.

Yes, I am aware I have some passive agressive nature in this post but I feel it’s justified as when I was first told I wasn’t allowed to do something by op, I kindly responded saying that I have actually specified what I’m doing and everyone’s allowed to ship who they want (so long as it’s not fucking pedophilia or incest) and I even thanked them for pointing out a mistake I had made in my post that made such a topic unclear and then went and changed it and thought that was that. But then I was met with more passive aggressive nature telling me I was once again wrong and basically told that op is better than me because they don’t use the “#platonic wolfstar” tag. Like wtf?! Excuse me for being a little pissed? It doesn’t make you a saint for that, lol? It’s just a tag?

To people that ship platonic prongsfoot reading this, you are not bad for shipping platonic prongsfoot. I encourage it if you enjoy it, I only ask that you specify using the “#platonic prongsfoot” tag rather than “#prongsfoot” so we don’t have tangles like this <3

To the op, use “#platonic wolfstar”, no one is going to care and I’m sure other platonic wolfstar lovers will actually appreciate it. If someone has an issue with you for it, you can always block them

Just because you don’t like a ship or particular dynamic, does not mean that it’s a bad ship or dynamic, it just means you don’t like it. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, don’t be mean about it, just be nice dude, like, for real, there’s no reason to publicly hate on something just because you don’t agree with it. Simply just like don’t interact with it?

And op if you’ve read all this, thank you for taking the time to read it. I hope you take everything I’ve said into consideration and think about it, if you have any further questions or whatever, you can just ask and I’m happy to answer. I have never had intentions to get argumentative, but when met with slightly rude and off putting passive aggressive comments, well, you can understand why I might feel a little agitated?

I’m sure you will, as I’m also sure you’ll be able to understand and reconsider your hostile approach to a fictional relationship other people prefer, as you are a cloud or sunshine like person as you have stated, and as the public knowledge goes, those people tend to be very empathetic, understanding, and open minded to hearing other people’s emotions and personal opionons :) <3

Y'know there have been, many, many times I wanted to do Platonic Wolfstar but I never do bc that'll make me as bad as those 'Platonic prongsfoot' shippers so be glad I don't like being a hypocrite bc I mean I can be very cruel at times like if I'm pushed to beyond my limits I can be very cruel..

And that's why I think I can feel myself being every point of nature kind of person: like y'know those are you a cloud or sunshine person; I'm pretty sure I'm both and all and neither thank you very much

(How on earth did I start this with a I hate Wolfstar and Platonic Prongsfoot point of mind and finish with a I can relate to all nature?!?!?! I call @lostwriter--xx3 to explain that to me!)

Point being: Platonic Prongsfoot should shut down, and that includes those I ship Prongsfoot and Platonic Prongsfoot people bc you can't ship and friendship unless you're turning it into a relationship which is diff than a friendship.

[maladaptivewriting]

here is my most controversial marauders opinion. please don’t cancel me

i don’t like david bowie’s music (or any music referenced in atyd) (or most music from that time period)

[marsabillions]

all of you who headcanon pandora to apparently be like 8 years old mentally are some of the most annoying mfers on this side of the fandom. learn how to write women, weirdo

[florenceafternoon]

You're not less of a marauder fan for not having read/ not liking popular fics btw

[andyxcds]

okay 🫡

tw: for discussion of SA

mary’s treatment in so many marauders fics is just str8 up dreadful, even in several popular fics. she’s usually objectified which, as much as i love it, was a trend started by ATYD. Like I know why the author did that; they wanted to write a sex-posititive female character and wanted a realistic portrayal of 1970s misogyny. Sirius objectifying Mary isn’t portrayed as a good thing, but it’s not condemned by the narrative either? Mary doesn’t need to go on a whole monologue on Sirius’ mistreatment of her, that would probably come off as pretty corny, but so much of her role is centered on being a support for Remus/Sirius. She doesn’t seem to have many flaws or goals or anything going on internally, which could’ve helped in making her a more well rounded person so we could take Sirius’ words with a grain of salt. And while this isn’t as extreme of a problem as it is in other fic, it did start a trend where Mary is just kind of the “hot popular chick who does all of the emotional labor for two of her male friends but doesn’t seem to care about anything outside of that”. Not saying Mary can’t be hot or popular or sleep around the problem just comes when that’s all she is. And many fics don’t even afford her that so she just turns into a shell for people around her.

the whole ‘Mary being a tool of development for male characters’ is especially disgustung when ppl depict her SA in fics. I don’t think I’ve seen a single depiction of Mary’s assault that was actually focused on her, esp esp in popular fanfics. Mary, the victim, becomes a conduit for the reactions and development of the men around her. Which is just like….fucking insane to me lmao. Sexual assault in general is one of the most traumatic events a person could go through, but since this is also most often written as a hate crime (Mulciber specifically going after Mary bc she’s a muggleborn) that adds an entirely different layer of sickening that ppl just?? Don’t engage with?? Because a victim’s SA should be used in service of development of male blorbos ig. Instead of the actual victim herself.

This also bleeds into my opinion on Mary and oblivation. I actually like the Mary oblivating herself headcanon. I think it’s unhealthy, irrational, morally dubious, extreme, and something someone in her position would do when pushed to the absolute limit. It’s compelling! But apparently ppl are fucking boring bc some ppl hc her being oblivated by dumbledore??? For some fucking reason???? Why would he ever do that???? It literally makes me want to tear out my cuticles seeing ppl rather rip away a woman’s agency than have to be conflicted by a character for five minutes. Let her make bad decision instead of no decision at all!!!

Christ this fandom doesn’t know how to write women

First off, this fandom revolves around men and male relationships, and that is evident in the fact that 70% of this fandom's works are made up of M/M fics. It's been like this for years, and to each their own of course. But when you bring up the undercurrents of misogyny portrayed in fics, people claim that it doesn't exist and they just prefer more gay relationships. That's okay, but don't dismiss the fact that you use female characters as a catalyst for your coming-of-age-esque relationships. ATYD (especially it being one of my first and favourite fics) was a prime example of pushing the dumb-hot-ex-girlfriend agenda through Mary. The author did very bad for never resolving her attachment and detachment to Sirius, or even explaining that being a young girl in a 1970s Scotland boarding school will mess with a woman's mind, and hell, no one else called bullshit so we ran with it.

Oh, don't mention the sexual assault of a black female to the crowd. It's not about her right now. They don't really care. They haven't cared for the past twenty years and the misogynoir is really showing up and showing out! When they cannot give her any other trauma due to the fact that they have provided her no goals and prospects and no real battles and actions, they go ahead to give her one of the worst they could find, then make sure to leave it at that. Can we talk about how fast they resolved the assault? Can we talk about how Sirius and CO. has fucked up the lives of many women but has been brushed under the mat because this is a wolfstar-centric/jegulus-centric story? No?

I've said it before, and I will never stop mentioning it, the microagressions Mary faced with the heavy agressions is what makes me even more pissed at her story. They take her emotional vulnerability (the effect of being a black young muggle in the 70s who portrayed herself as being sexually positive and active, play around it and spit her out) and turn her into a plot device when she's just as valuable as every other male character that is being written. When she was given the chance to have something for herself, do some damage after all the damage was done to her, we gave the blame to Dumbledore? Like I know we blame Dumbledore for everything, but are you going to take away the only thing this woman has done of her own selfishness and make it a man's?

Write those mlm fics if you want, but if you cannot make female characters as dimensional as every other male character, shut the fucking laptop. Give these women motivation. Give them anger and make that anger real and feasible. Make them selfish. Stop embarrassing yourselves!