#Loanword

[dracofeb]

Calque & Loanword

Found this. Kind of want to share.

[origami10]

"Anime" got given back! Animation -> アニメーション→アニメ→ Anime

I love the term “loanwords” because it implies that you intend to give them back.

[antimomophobic]

calque being a loanword and loanword being a calque is something that just has to be mentioned more

[gammija]

biggest dumb pet peeve is when an anglophone reposts some text or video that's technically not in english but still uses a ton of english loanwords in addition to being a germanic or roman language, and captions it like 'wow truly this post transcends language boundaries, i was able to understand almost all of this' yeah the parts you understood were in english buddy

[hedgehog-moss]

me sending yet another email to a French public service to ask them why they use so many gratuitous English words in a service that's supposed to be non-discriminatory and accessible to everyone in the country

[unbidden-yidden-deactivated20240]

Is this really how you transliterate "fucking" into Hebrew??

[skiplup]

i was curious what the joke in japanese was since it fit so well in english (”you said rock of the g-o-d-s, but did you mean rock of the d-o-g-s?”) only to find out it’s literally the same joke english wordplay and all LMAO

[stirdrawsandreblaws]

you are already booped

[absolutebl]

Okay, I've got a language question for you:

Why would native Thai speakers accentuate (as they seem to) the last syllable of English-language nouns, proper and common ? Is there something in their own tongue that would have led to this practice ?

Isn't it the best thing ever?

My favorites are strawberry & blueberry.

sounds like

sa-tawh-bur-rEEE boo-bur-rEEE

Okay, so the first thing is, mostly in Thai, consonant noises don't exist without vowel noises attached.

The easiest way to think about this is the name Sky (think about it particularly in SCOY, but also LITA). The S+K can't really exist together, they need a ahh vowel noise to break them.

The way it's said in Thai is:

Sah'kai

Remember that?

The ' indicates a glottal stop (slight hitch in speaking). You have to kind of stop the breath from the "sah" by rolling your tongue up towards the roof of your mouth to then say the hard "k." If you know how to say the formal sah'wah dEE, you'll know how to execute that. And that's because sk can't really be said together in Thai.

To answer your question, it depends on the sound the loanword converts into for Thai comprehension/execution.

For example: "bur" is an adapted loanword (from the English for "phone number") but they actually drop tone the end of that word. Which may sound, to English speakers, like a de-emphasis. In fact "bur" shows up all the time in BL but most English speakers don't realize it's a loaner. See UWMA Dean getting Pharm's digits.

What you're picking up on is most likely the ah and ee sounds, which in Thai are often tonally pushed up in loanwords. It's not really emphasis as we think of it - it's the use of a non-tonal word in a tonal language. Those sounds are simply said that way when they are placed in those parts of words in Thai.

Like, how some people have a really hard time rolling their rr's. Or pronouncing the ø. Or the w (many native Mandarin speakers will say it as a v).

It's the way those sounds are shaped in the mouth in that part of the world.

Language trains the human brain so there are also some sounds it's very hard for speakers of a different language to even hear. I really struggle with some Thai tones, myself.

[possessivesuffix]

Oh well huh, speaking of substrates and Egyptian etc.: here's a brand new article proposing a former Afrasian branch in the Balkans, substratal to Proto-Indo-European

and yes this does at least sound like it would work better than trying to make PIE and PSem neighbors, or projecting binary Semitic–IE comparanda into Nostratic. TBD if anything more comes of this idea later on…

[ladyloveandjustice]

Oh sweet summer child.

Sousuke knowing what a condom is implies he at least attended a decent sex education class in Child Soldier Academy, small blessings.

[protoindoeuropean]

btw not enough people are aware of the other triple reflex in Ancient Greek: the labiovelars

τέλος (→ telos, telic, teleology etc.)

πόλος (→ pole, polar etc., via Latin polus)

κύκλος (→ cycle, cyclic etc.)

– all of these words go back to different formations from the PIE root *kᵘel- 'to turn', with a different reflex of the initial labiovelar depending on the quality of the vowel in its immediate vicinity (*kᵘelos, *kᵘolos and slightly irregular *kᵘekᵘlos >> *kᵘₔkᵘlos > *kᵘukᵘlos respectively)

thus also Greek τίς = Latin quis 'who' (< PIE *kᵘis), Gk. ποῖος 'which' = Lat. quoius > cuius 'Gsg. who/what' (< PIE *kᵘosi̯os), as well as Gk. οὐκ < οὐκι 'no(t)' (< PIE *h₂oi̯u kᵘid) and so on

[aphel1on]

really all i should need to do to get professionally dx'd with autism is show them my warrior cats conlang from senior year of high school

[dsm-wannabe-linguist]

[lesbianchemicalplant]

anyone who has studied math in a language other than english: is there a word in that language that's equivalent to the mathematical sense of “degenerate” / “degeneracy” but without the nazi associations?

[bitegore]

fucking hate it when people who are hateful little bigots make posts that are completely irrelevant to the thing that they are hateful cunts about and those posts are actually really good but i know they want me personally actually dead and in the ground so i cant be like Yeah