#Leo Vandernacht

[foxy-cleo6]

Any Nevermore fans

I got into the webcomic and it is now my new arcane. I also put lots of Easter eggs on the pages, have fun finding them

[dionysosmadness]

Omg LOOK at her smug face holding a ring in her hands LMAO

[expired-crow]

I LIVED B!TCH

[ishallbenevermore]

Oh, I promise it is going to be a great (dis) pleasure!!!

[nevermore-polls]

[wanna-be-your-endgame]

caught the modern/band au bug! have some WIPs & sketchy sketches

also kinda obsessed w the idea of Eulalie having full upper body tats 👁️👄👁️

[the-only-newton]

This episode made me die. I will not be posting anymore. Long live Leo Vandernacht.

[altlllf]

I case it bothered anyone else why Lenore didn’t have a ring like Annabel it’s because in Victorian weddings it was usual for only the bride to have one and Lenore or “Leo” was the groom there for she didn’t have a ring also before you say they weren’t married the description of the wedding ring is “the wedding ring would be a plain gold band and their initials, along with the date engraved on the inside”

Now we ofc never see the inside of the band however it is worn on the ring finger where a wedding ring would go

Also the author did purposefully leave themselves vague time frames because nobody is going to be that accurate and it allows wiggle room

BUT I do know that Victorian weddings popularly happen in the month of June because it sounded like Juno Roman goddess of marriage and of course the saying “marry in may, rue the day” it was a bad thing

Other popular months to wed were April, November, and December because it wouldn’t overlap with any farming commitments.

Weddings typically happened anywhere between 10am to noon on Monday, Tuesday, or Wednesday as those were the best days for a wedding apparently.

Oh and I think it was confirmed that they were 1901 Victorians or close to that time either way they are from the end of the Victorian era

Bonus “Leo” would have had a colorful suit and Annabel Lee would be wearing entirely white

[nevermorgue]

Nevermore Hollywood AU Part 2

2004, LA Annabel Lee Whitlock is a well known actress known for historical dramas and romances. She always goes viral when she's spotted at an event or a party because of her fashion choices. She always dresses straight out of period dramas with long gowns and intricately crafted gloves and fans. It is as if she were stepping right out of her films and into present day. She does this in fear of being cared about less as a normal person. By being kept on a parasocial pedestal, she ensures that she is always seen as a perfect, elegant actress. She is signed under Spectral Talent, a very prestigious talent + modelling agency with a small talent pool of important, famous names.

Lenore is an actress that was known for always starring in Theo Vandernacht productions. After his sudden passing two years ago, she resorted to doing quite literally everything else but acting. She has done screenwriting, producing, modelling, and even dabbled in camera work. But last year, Lenore Vandernacht left the spotlight permanently. Some say she snuck off to a tropical island to live out an early retirement. Others say she died. In reality, she has just decided to start over under the alias "Leo Vandernacht". She decides to break back into the industry (at her + Theo's old company, Nevermore Co.) as a talented writer and director, hoping to continue her brother's projects that only the two of them ever knew about. Lenore and Annabel meet through the casting for Leo's directorial/writer debut; a period piece with supernatural elements simply called "The Raven". It was Theo's story that he started and never really got to expand on. Nobody was really all that interested until Annabel Lee expressed public interest in auditioning. And from the moment they locked eyes for the first time, they both knew that it were as if they were destined to meet in that audition room. Pluto: An intern that JUST graduated internship and is now a gaffer. Has really nothing else going for him, spends ALL DAY on set if allowed, just doing whatever needs to be dealt with. He really wants to eventually become the assistant art director for Nevermore Co. Duke: Another famous actor, definitely not as easily recognized as Annabel Lee but still VERY well known. He rose to fame after appearing on an AGT-esque show in which he did incredible magic and illusion tricks. He ended up launching a career after that, traveling to perform as well as making cameos in movies and television. These cameos are how he ended up meeting and working alongside Annabel Lee at one point. They dislike each other greatly, but their on screen platonic chemistry is VERY well received. Knew Lenore before her 'retirement' is one of the few people who knows that Leo and Lenore are the same. He's done some modelling and small roles with her (before Theo's passing), despite not being signed under Nevermore Co. His agency, Magie, is a close partner to them and like to share their talent pool. This is how he knows Pluto as well. PART ONE (Prospero, Will)

[majosullivan]

Since it has been on my mind lately and I’m in the mood to ramble, I present to you: why I believe Lenore’s spectre is going to be a Phoenix/Phoenix themed.

Before I go more deeply into this, I want to cover the most agreed upon detail of Lenore’s possible spectre: Lenore having wings. This really seems like a slam dunk at this point. Lenore so far has had a clear association with birds, specifically ravens; with one of the Poe works she is based on being The Raven, her talking to and seeking out the Raven in Nevermore, the cane we see her using in her and Annabel’s memories having a Raven skull as the handle and her family crest having a pair of black wings a part of its design.

Additionally, there’s also the detail of Nevermore’s logo. Nevermore’s logo is comprised of a beating heart and a pair of black wings. Since Annabel’s spectre has a heart shaped hole in her chest, Lenore’s spectre having wings would make up the rest of the logo, with the logo symbolising our pair of deuteragonists.

Furthermore, there is also the scene with Lenore and The Raven, with him mockingly asking Lenore if she has a pair of wings under her blazer after she tries to stop him from leaving in episode 35.

Honestly, this panel might as well have a massive sign titled ‘FORESHADOWING’ in blinking lights attached to it when we take into account everything that we’ve pointed out. So, while it seems very likely that Lenore will have wings, why do I think she will be a phoenix specifically? With her connections to ravens, surely it make more sense for her to be a raven? Well, this is because of one word: rebirth.

Just to have a quick explanation for the basis, a phoenix is an immortal bird that cyclically regenerates or is otherwise born again. Being associated with the sun, a phoenix obtains new life by rising from the ashes of its predecessor. Some legends say it dies in a show of flames and combustion, others that it simply dies and decomposes before being born again. Throughout the comic, there has been a lot of links to Lenore and the ideas of rebirth. Specifically, there are three examples where Lenore has gone through a death of some form, before being reborn/brought back to life in some form.

The first time we see this after the accident with the tree. With the death of Theo, who was seemingly the only person in Lenore’s life at the time who genuinely cared about her, and being locked away in the attic for years after being deemed as never being able to recover from her injuries, along with her parents no longer seeing her as any respectable use since they wouldn’t be able to marry her off, we see Lenore go through her first ‘death’. Forced to live a lifeless existence hidden away in shame, with her ripping away the wallpaper being the only real change that occurred during her time in the attic. All of this leads into first time Lenore is reborn/brought back to life when she first meets Annabel, which allowed her to be freed from the attic and form a genuine connection with someone in years. Lenore even says so herself, describing Annabel as the one who brought her back to life long before she died.

The second time, and the one that arguably has the most obvious link to the ideas of Phoenixs, is when Lenore faked her death to go after Annabel. Here we see her in the process of disguising herself as a man, before finishing her packing and setting the house on fire so everyone will assume she died in the fire and she can assume her new identity without suspicion. Here, I don’t think I have to go too in-depth to point how through her actions, Lenore arose from the ashes of the house fire as Leo Vandernacht, leaving her life as the disgraced daughter of the Vandernachts to burn away in the house fire, just like a Phoenix arising from the ashes of its predecessor (side note quickly but Lenore I swear to fucking god you better actually have a cousin named Leo or I’m coming through the screen to shake you like a maraca). The parallels here are pretty clean cut.

Finally, we have her actual death and her appearing at Nevermore. While we don’t know the full details behind Lenore’s and Annabel’s deaths, whatever they are only have the possibility to strengthen the links to rebirth that have been clearly shown from the start. The whole conflict in Nevermore is the competition for a new life. With Lenore’s death and her arrival to Nevermore placing her in a competition for a second chance at life, she has once again been placed into a position similar to the cycle of a Phoenix, with this time following closer to legends where a Phoenix simply dies and decomposes before being born again. Additionally, Annabel’s complete faith in Lenore can also fed into this. We see in episode 41, how no matter what awaits them, no matter challenges they have to overcome, Annabel has absolute faith that Lenore will find a way to get them out of Nevermore. Not herself or any complex plan she has, Lenore is the one who will ultimately be the key to their escape. Lenore is the key to their second chance at life, to their rebirth.

Speaking of Annabel, the way she describes Lenore in episode 66 can add onto this line of reasoning. During the episode, we see Annabel describe Lenore as ‘ash the moment we met’, before going on to talk about how all madwoman die at least twice. First off, describing Lenore as ash already brings her back to the idea of being a Phoenix, with Pheonix rising from the dead through the ashes of predecessor. Secondly, the idea of all madwomen dying at least twice in relation to Lenore is yet another link to the concept of a Phoenix, with them going through multiple deaths in their cycle of rebirth.

To focus on some of the smaller details, the colours associated with Lenore can also strengthen the idea of Lenore’s spectre being Phoenix themed as well. As we all know well at this point, in very Romeo and Juliet fashion, Annabel and Lenore have clear colours associated to them, with Annabel often dressing in blue, in addition to other cold colours, while Lenore often dresses in reds, in addition to other warm colours. Considering this and Lenore’s already clear association to fire, like Lenore’s spectre having wings, it seems likely that Lenore’s spectre will also have fire powers. Now, what is something that has wings and it linked to fires? That’s right, a Phoenix. This small point can be strengthen by what we know about Annabel’s spectre. Annabel’s spectre is freezing to the touch, which matches up with the colours associated to her. Since White Raven’s spectres are definitely going to parallel each other, this detail increases the possibility of Lenore’s spectre having fire based abilities, and as a result, increases the possibility of Lenore being a Phoenix.

While there are still loads of other ideas about what Lenore’s spectre will be going around, to me at least, Lenore’s spectre being at least Phoenix themed is definitely the strongest theory I’ve seen so far. If anyone else has any other ideas about what Lenore’s spectre will be, or if you have any other evidence supporting the idea that Lenore will be Phoenix themed, I would love to hear it!

[ora-ori]

Lenore’s shot through the head theory.

OKAY. Thank you to that ONE PERSON that asked me for this theory (I love you please don’t leave) because I was literally vibrating trying to hold it in.

For this one, we have one major piece of evidence.

THIS PANEL

So here’s where the theory comes into play. This is from the very first episode, where Annabel gaslight gatekeep girlboss Lee meets Lenore ignore instigate ignite Vandernacht (if I spelled it wrong please correct me) meet each other. This panel is exactly from when Annabel and Lenore first enter the academy.

The question is…

Why is the line through Lenore’s head?

We know that it’s common for art or anything of the kind to have a line resembling a heartbeat around the heart when dealing with a stressful and/or important situation. So why is it through her head? Wouldn’t it be through her heart?

Before I answer that, we have another piece of evidence. When Annabel manifested, the deans and professor maid doll informed the audience that she was a lady in white. This specter is a result of a bride being killed/betrayed on her wedding day. And we also know that Annabel, provided with context clues as well, was shot through the heart on her wedding day. Her cause of death, a heart shaped hole literally in her chest with a red crystal to symbolise her heart if it was there. Lenore also killed her past self (see my previous theory for that explanation) and began a new life as Leo, and use this identity to be with and marry Annabel. We see this intention when Lenore puts the sheet music for Annabel’s song she had requested, and the ring(box).

Lenore had a gun in her suitcase, her belongings when she arrived. BUT I am NOT saying that Lenore killed Annabel, but suggesting that Annabel was assassinated on their wedding day by someone close to them, either causing Lenore to shoot herself through the head out of grief from her dead fiancé, or spending her last moments desperately trying to save Annabel, after she was shot, from bleeding out and dying, then being shot in the head herself by the same person. This would be Lenore’s cause of death, and perhaps her specter may relate to this instead.

This would also have the symbolism of the saying/metaphor that heart and mind go hand in hand. As we see in many many episodes, Lenore mainly acts on impulse and emotion, heart. While Annabel thinks more things through and usually has a plan, mind, however this can be visa versa and switch between the both of them, seeing as they both have a sort of trading in controlling and hiding their emotions. While they are both sorta mentally ill while they were alive, Annabel has the heart while Lenore has the mind. This would trace back to Annabel being shot through the heart, and Lenore being shot through the head. Both of them dying on their wedding day, and living on together in the afterlife and possibly rebirth.

We love some poetic gays.

Lastly, I am not a fast pass user so I do not know what’s going on after the hiatus and I’m crying about have to wait for a month. If I spelled anything differently it’s because I’m australian and use aus english. Again, I love responding to you all, please leave an ask even if it’s just the smallest thing you want me to see. Don’t be afraid, it makes my day. Till we meet again.

[ishallbenevermore]

OH MY GOD HOW DID I NOT NOTICE THIS!?!??!

Ohh dude I may be an idiot

Something was always off to me about the few parts we see Lenore and Theo interacting. It's her hair. Her hair is completely black. I thought it was a genetic thing, but her hair only goes dual-toned after Theo's death

Her hair turns white from stress after her brother dies

[doorp]

so vandernacht is taken from Vanderbilt, right? and you would assume that the vandernachts r as famous as the irl Vanderbilts, even more so in u know the 20s, 30s, 40s, where the misfits n clusterfuck are from. this raises questions, no? and presents some funny scenarios, especially if Leo vandernacht is some sort of legend any of the American cast would have heard about

[gentrychild]

I don't know why I'm always like *surprised pikachu face* when I see someone reading the same webtoons than me. Part of it is I somehow still think webtoons are very obscure which hadn't been the case for quite a while now.. Anyway!! Who's your favorite character in Nevermore? Do you have any theories about the plot/their deaths/etcetera? I fell into the rabbithole of Nevermore and I can't get out so I'm grabbing whoever I can find in this darkness.

*cracks knuckles*

You have come to the right place. Katydid and I have been theorizing about this webtoon and I do love finding innocent victims on which to dump my rambling.

I'm afraid that I am utterly predictable: my favorite character is Lenore. What's not to love about a smart MC who is loyal to their friends, has a complicated past, and is extremely good at improvisation?

But what I love about Nevermore is that all the characters are interesting. There isn't one character whose backstory I do not want to know.

Starting with those guys.

They are so full of secrets I just want to crack them open and see what spills out. It would probably be tentacles, though.

Now, unto the theories:

I have a headcanon that Lenore and Annabel didn't die together, that Lenore died fighting and clinging to life, and that she died thinking Annabel had betrayed her.

I think Annabel was killed by one of her suitors. (Probably the one that was supposed to marry her because Leo Vandernacht made an appearance.

Katydid and I have our fingers crossed for Lenore's specter form to be a phoenix.

I think that there will eventually be some kind of break out from the main cast and there will be a whole arc of them having to cross the wilderness filled with hungry ghosts and monsters in order to reach the portal to get back to the human world.

Since all the characters are from different time periods, I believe they will all show up in modern times at the end of the story.

I think any students who fail to graduate is/will be used as energy source for the school.

Now, unto the theory that is currently the dearest to my heart.

You see this handsome devil who appears in the very first chapter?

I am convinced that it's Theo.

[jockw]

Donc, une vite sketch de Lenore si elle est un homme [Leo Vandernacht]

Voila @raven-nerd4life mon ami(e), il est ici

I don't know how I should do Annabel Lee later on, but just know I might make more phases of genderbender Lenore since she had quite an odd glow down/up(??)

Anyways enjoy :>

Merde, ik heb pijn aan mijn buik

Edit: LMAO FORGOT THE CIRCLES AGAIN

[wanna-be-your-endgame]

What a shame she went mad!