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#this is what it'd look like if he was body checking you#hongjoong#kim hongjoong#ateez#ateez gif#hongjoong gif#maxsixgif#why is he looking like this#to whom i assume is wy#for filming this?#i might be wrong#his undercut looks so good#who is doing all their eyebrows#they all have such nice brows
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.... Okay, so I might have made a ahit oc during my downtime. Based on the idea of "yeah the idea of hat kid being a little space orphan doing a job is sad.... But what if they were separated from their family and needed to get back home instead?"
And what if their worried mother came to the planet they were on, looking for them after they'd JUST LEFT like a month ago?
SOOOOOO HERE'S SUMMER!
I may have gotten carried away with myself on this idea-
#I THOUGHT IT'D BE A FUN IDEA FOR LIKE A FAN SEQUEL OKAY??#Just a worried mom looking for their little gremlin of a kid while said kid's friends are still processing them being gone-#Getting progressively more and more angry the longer she's stuck on the planet with these bozos and not finding her child#I don't got any programming knowledge so this idea's staying an idea for the rest of time#I... I have more of her#she's a good mom#Summer#ahit#a hat in time#a hat in time oc#Hat Mom#I SWEAR I'M FINISHING COMMISSIONS JUST LET ME BE ABNORMAL OKAY?
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I wanna laugh and say the Ghost/ExAid movie was the most un-serious thing i've ever seen but it was actually so stressful. Nice job writers!!
Putting this one under the cut cause I gave up on it lol:
#it was great!#everyone had a bad time!!!#except for pacman... sources say he's doing good now!#kamen rider#kamen rider ghost#kamen rider ex aid#fan art#comic#hojo emu my other son...#the only one with ANY bedside manner lol#man the writers really took a look at both series and were like...#'everyone's seen Takeru die already and we've got a show full of medical professionals so why don't we just smack the heck out of everyone?#'also can we get pacman cleared?? we need him it'd be so funny.'#'we're gonna have the one kamen rider called 'Ghost' in our show about dirty filthy gamer doctors we have ONE SHOT at this!!'
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making mobile game ads for my webcomic. it's enrichment.
#if it were to be a mobile game it WOULD be episode. okay. it's too perfect...#some friends were talking about this and one was like omg it'd be episode#and I was like yeah one sec.#and pulled these out#and everyone was like WOW how did you do these so fast#like IDK how to tell you. I already had them. I already made these like 2 years ago I'm sorry#there.#when it's good its evergreen and it will come back ok#anyways. so I was thinking about these again and wanted to share them#everyone look#ttawebcomic#time and time again#fake ad#shitpost
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At the training ground [♡]
#fenris#dragon age 2#fenris da2#fenris dragon age#fenris fanart#dragon age 2 fanart#da2#dragon age 2 fenris#mydrawings#i need him to put me in a headlock and snap my neck in two#i thought it'd be fun to draw his tat....it was kinda hard#thank goodness for references#blue wraith fenris design save me blue wraith fenris design#i...rly hope he appears in veilguard like i'm so curious as to how he'd look now#alright time to go play inquisition#dragon age fanart
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My beloved Fatale
#oshi no ko#oshi no spoilers#hikaru kamiki#ai hoshino#hikaai#kamiai#I don't know what to feel about this guy for the time being#everything is so ambiguous(except for his past-now we know about that)#I'm not even sure if he's really responsible for the deaths yet#I think it'd be nice if him and ai did really care for one another and shared some good times together#doodle#spoilers#;v; this show will air while I'm asleep...i'll probably only get to watch it on friday or sth because tomorrow will be busy#but I'm sure the animation will look really good~#I think it'd be cool if my speculations were right and fatale(and all of mephisto) REALLY turns out to be his song like IDOL did for Ai
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#Webkinz#For no reason 👀#You don't have to have played to vote just whichever you like in this moment right now <3#I on the other hand am entirely biased lol#My favourite is the Black and White Cat because I have one! Though I never got to play with her haha#Diamond my poor dear ♥ Someday#Personally I think it's a Little Silly that they chose two dogs - like I get Why dogs are classic but like#Look at this lineup! And Elephant was the next weird guy up! I would've gone with like frog or bunny or something earlier but eh y'know#Frog and rabbit weren't until the next calendar year! Heck#And also Frog was HM001 but B+W Cat was HM016 so?? Is this Pokemon rules or what#Anyway lol this isn't about who isn't here it's about who is!#I do think it's overall a good intro group :) They're cute lads!#I think some of the puppets have hecka improved over time - looking at you Lion - but they're still charming#They have a very specific aesthetic - it's unique! Unmistakable#It's very cool to have a stamp of style haha#I think it'd be nice to have all eight someday <3#I've got my start after all!
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Artfight against @ejsuperstar ft. The Mad King and Chip. They're both so evil. I hope they have the most extravagant downfall of any onscreen villain.
This interaction is based on a little fic writing >:)
#For those who are reading the tags- Chip is ejsuperstar's Cookie Clicker OC. LIKE- COOKIE CLICKER. FROM DA GAME. IT'S FUCKING BRILLIANT.#Okay now to talk in the comments#first of all. The fic is literally so good. I had the privilege to read it uwu#These two are literally so evil. They just show it in different ways.#Bravus in intimidation and cunning And then Chip with his manipulation and deceit.#Also the “Magic” vs “Science” motif here is so 👀😤✨💅#i mean. Bravus is from medieval times so of course he thinks anything like what Chip has is magic. But ALSO Magic 100% is real in his world#I think it'd be neat to keep my human's slitted irises. They look human- but just slightly off to make anyone in your AU notice#forgive my human facial anatomy *cries*#the *Poof* is a reference to fairly odd parents. LMAO#I'll post the speedpaint later if ur down! Videos always take so long for them to upload here#The Mad King#I am so happy with how this turned out. Like seriously. Took me about 3 hours???? idk i need to check#hope you like it. *bonks you*#I love how Chip is still intimating with a fricking cookie in his hand. Man looks so silly#art#my art#chip#deltarune#deltarune chara timeline#cookie clicker#cookie clicker oc
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stuff heavily referenced from clive hicks-jenkins' art cus i've been rly into it lately 🥰
cute idea scribblings for the last drawing..lol
#tes#skyrim#talvas fathryon#neloth#my art#stylized small pupils look good on neloff#and kinda off topic but he would really benefit from wearing robes that aren't tied around the waist LOL it would give him more of a -#- powerful look .. mmrp#i'll never be able 2 do wat clive can do but i think i came pretty close#using the materials dat i have#i like all of these though :) pencil makes me happy#whenever i draw traditionally i always have something smart to say abt art in my head but then i forget everything i wanted to say#i wanted to add text to the last one as well but i'm not well versed in how clive would use text in his artworks yet && tbh it looks -#- better w/o it#if i did add text .... it'd say: “first love” :)#how cute :)#and the last btw#😂#i'm really not sorry for drawing nothign but nelvas rn but i will come back to other stuff once i'm not as packed w/ work#when i'm in stress i just like to draw the things i'm used to for now#these drawings r so big my tumblr is gonna kms over them get over it bitch
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Okay listen I got distracted while working on my ask doodles. BUT LISTEN THIS IS SO SELF INDULGENT cause I was listening to an early 2000s playlist on spotify and realized... Reboot Wally would so be a blink 182 fan. And you SO know he would sing that mess at karaoke. A dork. I love him.
Reboot AU belongs to @/bloodrediscream (Man I do not need to tag them for just my silly doodles.
I WILL HOWEVER tag @kawaiialeisha because I feel like you'd appreciate this
#welcome home#welcome home puppet show#wally darling#welcome home arg#welcome home au#welcome home reboot au#reboot wally#reboot wally darling#reboot wally au#sketches#god I'm realizing this is gonna be a sketch spam tonight if I DO get these ask doodles done#yall got treated to so much finished art and now I'm just dumping my stupid scribbles down like that's the same thing#Maybe I should schedule posts instead of shoving them into the ether as soon as I finish them#idk I've never been good at this whole social media thing#*goes back to thinking about reboot au karaoke because karaoke is a comfort for me*#Look you KNOW Wally would think he looks SO COOL. He's put his heart and soul into that preformance#Pull someone up with him to sing to them in front of everyone because he thinks it's so smooth#it'd work I'd fall in love instantly#anyway *goes back to scribbling*#my art
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literally please give Battison a Dick Grayson in the Batman Part II.
The first movie was about Bruce's journey from not wanting to be Bruce Wayne, to realizing that he does in fact need to be Bruce Wayne, and that Bruce Wayne can be a force used for good just like Batman. Logically then, the second movie should explore the next immediate question on the table: okay, he needs to be Bruce Wayne. So who is Bruce Wayne? What kind of man is Bruce Wayne going to be? Bruce still feels defined by his trauma of his parent's death. Bruce Wayne still feels defined by his parents' shadows, by his father's legacy. He still feels defined by his grief. How does he make Bruce Wayne be something different?
Dick Grayson would serve as the PERFECT device for Bruce to discover who he can be. Because Dick Grayson is literally just a young Bruce, and Bruce sees that instantly (it's why he takes him in in the first place). So throughout the movie, as Bruce tries to help Dick process his grief, he's inadvertently processing his OWN grief. Dick Grayson unknowingly helps Bruce process his own trauma, and through their developing relationship shows him that Bruce Wayne can be more than a recluse, a failure, a man drowning in his own head- he can be a protector, a friend, a parent.
When Dick points a gun at Tony Zucco's head, Bruce talks him down, and all the words that he gives him are words he had wanted when he was a kid and his grief was fresh. Even though they're gone, you're not alone. I understand.
BATTISON NEEDS DICK GRAYSON TO BE ABLE TO TAKE THE NEXT STEP OF HIS CHARACTER GROWTH.
#robert pattison plays grieved and traumatized and miserable and intense and earnest so well.#you CANNOT tell me that he wouldn't absolutely slay the “talking dick down from killing zucco” scene#it'd be like the hospital scene with alfred but times a million#he'd play the perfect reaction to the grayson's deaths too#sprinting to dick and bodily trying to get him to turn away and not look#holding him tightly as dick dissolves into hysterics#the wet cat man steps up and learns how to take care of someone#and learning how to take care of someone else teaches him at the same time how to take care of himself#bruce's functionality and mental health improves when he takes in this kid#making sure that dick is eating enough leads to him starting to eat more#(partly bc alfred gently guilts him into it by saying he needs to set a good example for his ward)#supervising dick's sleeping habits puts a new perspective on his own sleeping habits#and he's like huh maybe I SHOULD get those five hours of sleep if I want to keep up with dick's energy tomorrow#and ofc when dick has nightmares and comes to find him he inevitably falls asleep on top of bruce#so he has to skip to patrol that night#dc#dc comics#dick grayson#batfam#batman#nightwing#batfamily#bruce wayne#dc robin#robin dc#batman and robin#the batman#the batman 2022#battison
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non-exhaustive list of canon powers Nico di Angelo either has shown or is heavily implied to have:
Shadow-travel
Manipulation of shadows/darkness (also possibly use of shadows as a pocket-dimension a la Magicians using the Duat in The Kane Chronicles)
Becoming intangible/shadows
Complete control over skeletons/bones (dead or alive, including summoning, reanimation, and/or changing shape of them) and being able to sense their presence
Summoning, reanimating, commanding, and dispelling the dead/undead (Skeletons, zombies, ghosts, etc & varieties) and being able to sense their presence
Ability to understand/communicate with the dead/undead and potentially other beings of the Underworld
Inherent complete comprehension of Latin
Ability to perceive the usually unperceivable/possibly look upon a deity’s true form without repercussion (at least moreso than the average demigod, though possibly is restricted to chthonic beings) (ex: Tartarus, potentially also interacting with his parents, etc)
Interacting tangibly with ghosts (implied to be a Ghost King thing rather than a Hades/Pluto thing)
Partial or complete immunity to different effects of the Underworld/things within (can consume food/drink of or in the Underworld without repercussions, effects from the Lethe wear off over time instead of being permanent like usual for mortals, etc)
Astral projection/”Walking in dreams”
Dream manipulation and projection (Sending dreams to others, etc.) (presumably includes sharing/projecting dreams with others) alongside inflicting sleep upon others even from a distance.
Illusions
Manipulation of emotions/aura that inflicts specific emotions on others (ex.: radiating fear/death onto enemies)
Projection of emotions and memories onto others (can be so forceful it causes physical damage like a shockwave)
Geokinesis (all forms but also specifically generating black marble) (presumably also specialized control over precious gemstones & non-paper currency)
Temperature manipulation (seemingly only lowering temperature)/creating frost)
Control/manipulation of souls, including living beings (ex: ripping out Bryce Lawrence’s soul)
Perceiving/reading/judging of souls (most likely also a Ghost King thing over Hades/Pluto thing, but possibly both)
Converting living into dead/undead, aka instakill (ex: disintegrating monsters to bone with one touch)
Lowering or manipulation of own vitals (breathing, heart rate, etc)
Death Trance/pseudo-hibernation (possibly also general control over states of consciousness at least for self, in combo with control over vitals & dreams)
Sensing death (impending or when it occurs, sometimes receiving dreams/visions of it occurring)
Able to sense other children of Hades/Pluto (potentially also other chthonic beings in general/able to identify based on sense alone) and also just living beings in general, such as mortals (possibly via souls).
Improved navigation underground/in the Underworld and ability to traverse restricted or normally unnavigable parts of the Underworld
Enhanced strength/abilities when in the Underworld
Inherently unnaturally quiet (possibly able to silence sound on a designated target)
Hiding/shielding self from being perceived (seemingly related to shadows/silence)
#pjo#riordanverse#nico di angelo#long post //#MY BOY IS OP AS FUCK and i love this about him#so many of these are so underutilized#when will Nico get to use his geokinesis again#we only see him make marble once in BoTL and then never again#based on that he should theoretically be able to do everything Hazel can do. which also implies Hazel can do everything he can do#let Hazel summon a skeleton for once and Nico hits somebody with a rock cmon#also i still firmly believe Nico should get to turn invisible#we've seen him become intangible. his dad's notable item is a helm that makes you invisible. let him turn invisible.#but yeah big 3 kids are op. look at nico go. and this is just physical abilities not including stuff like Annabeth being smart#or cabin 7 kids being good at music or whatever#presumably for Nico/Hazel it'd be like a penchant for diplomacy and legality-related things presumably#and i like to hc he has a personal inherent knowledge bank of everyone who has ever died in his lifetime - just details about their deaths#mostly anyways and then like basic facts about who they were/next of kin/etc#so they can tap into that at any time and be like ''hold on lemme look this person/their relatives up real quick''#i usually like to write that as how Nico confirmed what was up with Jason when they first met#he just kind of squinted at Jason and went ''okay. hm. who are you next of kin of? Beryl - OH YOU'RE THALIA'S BROTHER''
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happy to have an offgun sunday show back on the docket but i can already tell this series is going to put a bee in my bonnet every week about late stage capitalism foisting its cancer upon all workplace cultures and turning things like internships from learning and exploratory opportunities to build skills and discover interests in a field, to an expectation of free/low paid but inexplicably pre-skilled labour. do you think ye olde blacksmith's apprentice showed up to the first day of the apprenticeship and the blacksmith is like "what do you mean you don't know how to shoe a horse?? that's so basic" no. the expectation of apprenticeship is that a newborn emptyheaded youngin with a vague notion that metal is cool shows up, and is taught how to blacksmith. the expectation is not that the young savant of metalwork turns up with a list of horses already shoed, including One Very Special One in the Royal Stable, and god would you please please please allow me to debase myself for you, o blacksmith? my resumé is just like the journeyman's!! this workplace culture is a modern invention!! they used to teach you things at work!!
[breathing audibly] i just think entry level should mean entry level, and that as much effort goes into gathering experience that makes people competitively hire-able, ability, opportunity, and luck also play a role. it is lucky to know your passion early enough to be able to groom yourself to competitiveness in a sharky field of work, but a person should be able to turn up for entry level positions/interning with an unabashed "i know nothing" as long as it's followed with an "and i'm ready to learn" and it is in neoliberalism's favour to allow work environments to cut their costs by eschewing the responsibility to teach. to train the trainee.
#the trainee#the trainee the series#...so this makes it seem like i didn't like the ep when i super did#i just hate hustle and grind and neoliberalism and i want to hold ryan in my palm like an eggcup#i can hear myself taking it too seriously lmaoooo uh oh gmmtv you hit my hot button. i'm not criticising the writing though!!#they're faithfully rendering an environment i would love to love but am forced to loathe lmaoo#i just want a world where you show up on your first day and your equivalent p'jane says#'hey so the way it works here is i give you a brief in the morning so it'd be good to have a notepad and pen ready.'#'also the hard deadline for this is 6pm which means you need to be done filming 2/3 so it can go for editing by 5pm.'#okay i'm going to stow this now bc i have 0% faith that gmmtv will make any meaningful sustained criticism of capital culture#being as they barely follow through on their richboy/poorboy tensions ever other than for antagonistic chemistry fodder#BUT. despite what all that^ sounds like i enjoyed the ep lmaoooo. looking forward to it genuinely i swear#liomsa
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some mspaintings about that show. including that guy from another show that's 1 year anniversary happens to be today. fun huh?
maybe i should do like. an animatic in ms paint daily blog or something :/ would anyone want that. i mean. its easy to doodle. clearly.
animatic gjinka idea thing under the cut :P
oh. uh. the idea for behind this freak. i guess. she's. like. part of a barbershop quartet. but alone. and weird looking because i didn't look at a reference of a barbershop quartet and made it up. hah. (mostly 'cause like... animatic doesn't seem like the fancy host type. y'know?? ((it's also kinda funny))) anyway some more doodles to really get a hang of doodling it
so chat. what we think about this take. will it get rocks thrown at me or will the crowd like it. who knows!!
maybe i'll draw them in krita at some point,,, idk. probably later on.
#silverware's art#animatic battle#animatic animatic battle#animatic ab#exclamation mark animatic battle#exclamation mark ab#doorstopper animatic battle#doorstopper ab#clock itft#tw smoking#cw smoking#// smoking#<- better to tag it in the 3 common ways juuust incase. it's small and not great but. i feel like it's better to tag it#so. if they look bad. balme it on 1 layer per drawing (minus ONE of them. the one with the star behind him. that was 2 layers.)#i forgot i drew pb in one of these. uh. im not tagging him.#why did i draw doorstopper and animatic? idk. i like both of them. and thought it'd be kinda funny#anyway if i look at this any longer i won't post it so. yeah.. unrelated but like.. i miiight have an. event. in my life. a week away. so.#yeah. good for i. an evet i might post about#im gonna stop typing so i actually post this though so. yeah. thanks to the 3 whole people who read tags
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Happy Halloween!!
This is a collab between myself and my awesome wife, @rockwell-light for her Goretober prompts! The theme for today was Vampirism~ 🩸💕 I supplied the line art and the composition, and she came in with the SPECTACULAR colors and shading!
#wife art#very fun collab with the wifey#mega man x#zero megaman#megaman x#megaman#rockman x#absolute zero#zero#vile#vilezero#zerovile#vava megaman x#mmx vava#vavazero#vava#zerovava#mmx vile#mmx#mmx zero#zain#vi#fragments#GOD THOUGH HER COLORS CAME OUT SO GOOD THIS IS SO PRETTY AND IM FOAMING AT THE MOUTH#literally can these two kiss already like DAMN#technically canon for Fragments AU given Zero is a vampire in this AU and also Zain's wings look like that cause i thought it'd be pretty
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as our resident Casey expert i wonder what do you think would have happened if marc and casey competed against each other? since casey retiring is so important for marc coming into motogp im always thinking abt the what ifs...
my initial instinct with this hypothetical is always 'that sounds horrible', though I do have more thoughts and opinions about it than that! marc obviously would have loved the chance to race casey, and casey has even been one of his picks of 'guys he would've liked to be teammates with' before, so, you know, clearly something there - and he does very much respect casey as a rider. I think it's quite likely that by the time marc entered the premier class, casey had already developed... I don't know if wariness is going too far, but maybe a little bit of unease or caution where marc was concerned. marc already very much had a reputation based on his 125/moto2 track record, and some of these incidents were controversial enough that the motogp riders commented on them. so take the phillip island 2011 incident where marc rode into the back of another rider:
the valentino quote serves as a bit of a benchmark here, given he was generally pretty pro-marc. yes, casey's phrasing is perhaps a little harsher, but unsurprisingly none of the riders were big fans of marc's behaviour in that particular incident
on the other hand, it's not like casey never sided with marc. take catalunya 2012, where marc was slapped with a controversial post-race penalty:
yes, casey's main complaint was about inconsistent stewarding - but still, he believed marc had been unfairly treated here. feels like these incidents were some of the only things casey and valentino actually agreed on in those years, so that's nice
that being said, it's hard to see how casey wouldn't have his issues with marc and marc's whole approach to racing. I did include some thoughts on the teammate question here, but mainly I'm going to pilfer the relevant autobiography passage:
"if a rider doesn't care about his own safety then it stands to reason he doesn't care about anybody else's either"... there's nobody really who embodies the 'doesn't care about his own safety' maxim better than marc. he was the young rider desperate to win, and I can't imagine casey would have enjoyed actually racing him much. casey mostly didn't enjoy racing valentino, after all, who is a generally a lot more selective with his aggression than marc is (though casey did have to experience some of the worst valentino had to offer in that regard). casey talked in his autobiography about getting a sense when he just wasn't really able to trust another rider on the track, how much it bothered him - and that exact lack of respect is something that's been pretty closely associated with marc. that doesn't mean he would immediately declare marc his enemy... he'd just want marc to change, to learn, to grow up, to start treating his competitors with a little more respect. the way casey talks about young riders, there is a sense in which he has more time for them than he does for valentino - whose lack of respect casey views as more integral to who he is as a rider. valentino isn't a bully on track due to the exuberance of youth, he's a bully on track when he thinks he can use it as a tactic of intimidation. then again, marc by this measure is worse... and I think very quickly casey would have grown pretty disenchanted with how marc approaches all his wheel-to-wheel racing, especially when it becomes more and more clear marc does not feel particularly inclined to change
it's always important to remember how recent the trauma of losing simoncelli was for the whole sport, and it coloured both dani and jorge's wariness of marc... but also (in my opinion anyway) their restraint in how they dealt with him. how they tried to stop themselves from actually making an enemy out of him, in part because they'd just had an experience of harshly criticising a rider for a whole year and then having to process his death. both dani and jorge actually had more public and more serious disagreements with simoncelli than casey did, but I reckon there would have been an element of that restraint with casey too... on the other hand, his experiences with marc would have left him feeling even more alienated from the sport than he already was - at times frustrated (like jorge was) less with marc directly but more with the regulatory bodies for not holding marc back, for not giving him a race ban or whatever to teach him a lesson. that being said, marc's shamelessness vs casey's stubbornness means that if they had direct on-track encounters and casey didn't like marc's post-race response... well, I certainly think that'd end up being a pretty tense situation, even if it falls short of active hostilities
worth including irl!casey's take on marc in 2013:
which, you know. it's not just that marc's a hard racer - casey is accusing marc of deliberately wanting to make the defeats extra painful for his opponents, of wanting to not just beat but humiliate them. anyone else that reminds you of? someone who is as motivated in securing his psychological victories as his actual ones? perhaps someone who has a bit of a history himself with casey?
let's bring in valentino. it's not that casey would really have begrudged marc his friendship with valentino, and he generally kept his hatred of valentino quite 'clean' in that he wasn't conducting any proxy wars or anything (for instance, I don't get the sense the vale/sic friendship ever affected his view of simoncelli... though I have very little to go on here either way). also, if nothing else in this timeline changes, we're assuming valentino in 2013 is fairly clearly the... fifth? best rider? kinda depends where dani would have landed I suppose (casey's retirement announcement did save honda from a bit of a headache)... but anyway what this means is that valentino probably wouldn't initially have been much of a competitive threat to casey. mostly he would have been consigned to the sidelines
that being said, I doubt casey would have massively enjoyed the whole laguna seca saga. unfortunately, we don't even really know what real life casey's stance on the copycat move situation was... though if I had to guess, in this timeline I'd say his position would've been, a) marc could and should have carried out that overtake two corners later, there was no need in that race situation to take that risk, b) still, it was valentino's slight error as he attempted to reclaim the position (in what was a pretty aggressive manner, it has to be said) that led to them both ending up off-track and fuck that guy, and c) the problem with 2008 wasn't just or even primarily the corkscrew overtake and it's annoying that that's the only bit everyone talks about. of course, there's also the question of whether casey would have bought marc's explanation that it was totally by coincidence that the overtake happened there... and again, complete guesswork, but my sense of casey is that he would have assumed marc was being at least a little bit dishonest. (which, you know... laguna's not an easy track to overtake at, but marc did prove with the bradl move that he was perfectly capable of overtaking after turn 8 - might not have been planning on the off-track excursion, but he was still attempting to overtake just ahead of a blind crest that happened to feed into the corkscrew lol.) I think casey by his honda days had calmed down a bit (though he still certainly had some conspiratorial tendencies), but I also don't think it's a stretch to imagine that he would've felt like he was a victim of a joke between the pair of them... not ideal
overall though, I reckon casey's main frustrations would have been less with the move itself and more with how it was discussed. in the presser, while joking with marc, valentino does take the opportunity to get in a jibe at casey for old time's sake. there's this clip, where he directly addresses livio suppo (at ducati in 2008, by then at honda) - specifically about how both casey and suppo criticised him for that overtake. in response, suppo says something about how he's grateful to marc because they finally got payback. valentino is later asked directly about casey's complaints in 2008 in this clip, and replies with the following:
would valentino have said this stuff with casey still in the paddock? well, yes! honestly, given valentino did very quickly lay off needling casey once he had retired, there's a good chance he would have said something worse. and marc would have laughed along at the whole thing. I don't know, I just don't see casey taking particularly kindly to that... he can hold a grudge, that man can, and at a certain point he'd probably be increasingly less willing to give marc the benefit of the doubt. interesting situation though, laguna seca '13 + casey is a very juicy scenario that could play out in several different ways
but I'm guilty of burying the lede here - there's a far more obvious reason than anything I've described above for why the casey/marc relationship would have turned sour. it's the simple fact that they would have been teammates which would do the damage all on its lonesome; they have radically different conceptualisations of how that dynamic is supposed to work and would inevitably have clashed as a result. the one commonality they do have is they don't see their teammates as potential friends, which is... also not helpful! I think they'd probably initially be fine on the interpersonal level - and, actually, given how the casey/valentino relationship played out and marc's general approach to his rivalries, I can see marc/casey more or less being able to maintain a minimum standard of politeness towards each other even at their worst. like, I still think they'd be able to smile at each other and do some small talk when face-to-face, but I also think everything else would be a complete disaster. I talked a bit about how marc approaches his teammate relationships in this post - and I'm not going to rehash too much of what irl!marc got up to, but I'll include some bits relevant to casey
from marc:
related to casey:
and dani comparing the two:
we do obviously even have actual real life controversy wherein casey thinks marc felt threatened by him and forced him out of honda... and this in a timeline where they weren't even direct competitors! if this is the level of tension a test rider role can generate, then if they'd actually been teammates...? yeah, no. casey thinks that teammates should cooperate - and he thinks that riders enforcing divisions within the box are essentially doing so because they are "afraid". marc has openly admitted to lying about what parts he likes to make sure his teammate doesn't get any edge over him. this is the thing, right: marc might think casey is a cool rider, would've liked the chance to race him and even be teammates with him... but this is the stuff he did to dani, who was one of his literal idols! this is his understanding of competition - (like valentino) he might love the fight, but simultaneously he'll do pretty much whatever it takes to win, because he considers this stuff fundamentally part of the game. casey does not. to casey, this kind of victory is dishonest. any kind of gamesmanship is a sign of weakness... the victory is worth less if you're accomplishing it like that
now, hey, maybe marc would never have been able to go as far as he did with dani because he wouldn't have the kind of performance edge that allows you to definitively impose your will within the team. I think it's a popular interpretation that marc wouldn't have won the title in 2013 if casey had been there, which... I mean, I think it's true that it would have been less likely - in that in a season with that much volatility, the more plausible championship contenders you have the less likely it is that any single one of them takes the title (same goes for instance if you add in a valentino who had not gone to ducati for two years and would have presumably been more competitive in 2013). but it's not like casey would have been the defending champion and the clear class of the field... partly due to injury, he ended up finishing in third in 2012. jorge and dani didn't win the 2013 title in part as a result of their own injuries, and who knows how casey would have fared... like sometimes it's just luck of the draw really. you can be the better rider and still not win the title, shit happens. I think for as long as a more or less healthy-ish casey stays in the sport, it would have been unlikely that marc establishes quite the same performance edge as he did over dani... but, well, if anything that would have meant he would have fought even harder out of perceived necessity to win the internal honda wars
it's the kind of thing that can make a relationship quickly deteriorate, especially with a prickly character such as casey, and it's entirely plausible that dynamic would have become strained at best and horrendously toxic at worst... sooner rather than later. and the thing is, this environment would affect marc considerably less than it would casey. again, it's the fact that he relishes the fight... he's very good at shrugging off (most) criticism and thrives in that kind of tension. the emotional fatigue that this scenario generates would be painfully lopsided, where casey offers harsh criticisms and means them and is endlessly frustrated with marc's approach, while marc... doesn't really care. at least dani also had a questionable manager who was conducting behind the scenes warfare on his behalf - casey doesn't want to play these games at all. he just wants to ride a bike, and marc is never going to allow him to live in peace as long as he's an internal threat. if casey were exposed directly to all of that from marc, I doubt he'd walk away from the experience with a particularly positive impression of him
does he walk away? I think there's a decent chance that casey would have ended up so disillusioned with the whole thing that this would have been what pushed him into retirement. if he wants to get out of that mess, let's say after two years, his options would have been pretty limited. yamaha is closed off and I'd struggle to think of a scenario in which either jorge or valentino would have been particularly interested in a direct swap (also, if you're sick of being marc's teammate, you're probably not gonna be jumping at the chance to be valentino's instead). I suppose you could go back to ducati (which he did return to as a test rider so it's not like those bridges were permanently burnt), and maybe casey could do something special even with *gestures* that version of the bike. really though... I think enough would have been enough for him. regardless of the actual balance of success between the pair of them, my guess is marc wins that war because he's happier to get nasty and because he wants it more. casey has his two to four titles... he's done. let him go fishing
#i think it's a fun scenario but in all seriousness as someone who is like. generally invested in casey finding some peace in life#i'm quite glad he didn't have to go through it. good chance he gets another title but he left for a reason#spec tag#babynflames#brr brr#casey stoner#//#heretic tag#batsplat responds#2013-15-ish vale/jorge love and peace era were already kinda looking over at the honda wars and going. what's all this then#in this timeline i reckon they'd be even more pointedly cooperative. occasionally give a friendly thumbs up at the explosions next door#valentino a big believer in letting others do his dirty work for him so it'd be very [carefully neutral smile]#'EYE didn't think there was any problem with marc's move... maybe casey should consider not leaving a gap next time?' (there was no gap)#where would marc/casey have their first on-track incident? reckon cota would actually be a good shout - get it in nice and early#vibes of a good casey track but not marc cota levels good but marc's still a child... idk you need to get them in the same bit of track so#otherwise some time in the assen to brno stretch.... let's say *spins wheel* indianapolis#can u imagine if marc did the corkscrew move on CASEY... get rid of bradl (sorry dude) what does THAT podium look like what are the vibes
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