#LADYNOIR COMEBACK

[akqrus]

I'm truly mentally ill about ladynoir, and I'm not afraid to admit that <3

[whys-nosense]

I miss ladynoir

[icripod]

need more mutual pre reveal ladynoir fics. where they both know theyve got a thing for each other but are too scared to act on it in fear of ruining whatever weird unspoken romantic limbo theyre in. holding hands (platonically), cheek kisses (just moral support), staying out all night together (typical patrol) are just a part of their natural dynamic!! theyre just best friends who love physical touch and spending time with each other and words of affirmation and gift giving and all the other love languages but they wont fully admit to themselves or to the other that theyre in love! i miss them so much i need more of ladynoir mutual pining

[superhero-smackdown]

ladynoir fans you really like being the underdogs don't you

[justanotherpersonsuniverse]

Holy shit I’m a week late to a new chapter how did i manage this

Oh my god i’m so hype

Holy shit

Cap

Omg

I fell behind on my thorough reread cause college, actually experiencing romance of a sort, choosing tattoos and all that so i sincerely apologise but you must know; as soon as i saw this new chapter i started writing this

Obviously, i can’t just jump into the new chapters i have to familiarise myself with the latest one so it’s a smooth transition. Not that i’ve forgotten shit, god knows i’ve read it too many times to do that, but i do this for all things with gaps between updates

Deary me i’ve missed your writing… instagram reels have been rotting my brain

Just a note; juleka saying “we’re very alike. I like that about you.” in chapter 74 is sooo… toxic yuri ladynoire my beloved is that you? I can hear it.

I always adore how juleka thinks in fights, especially when she recalls stuff someone has said like her mum

16 THOUSAND WORD CHAPTER?? OH MY GOD

HERE YE HERE YE BEWARE FOR SPOILERS OF PN CHAPTER 75 ARE BELOW READ AT YOUR OWN RISK

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Ok word, timeline information, good to know, i think that makes them around 17 now? Anyway, what has hawky been up to over the summer to keep him so quiet? Certainly not using the time to bond with adrien i’m sure

Ah ofc, lila pov for the start of chameleon

Oh dear, lila’s mother doesn’t know she was akumatised? Is she vying for third place of worst parent after Gabriel and Audrey?

Bloody cunt, course lila’s not told her about being aroace. 

Im curious about this conspiracy board… is it about gabriel or the heros

What attack on agreste?? You have piqued my interest over and over cap fabulous start to the chapter

“We will spread our wings and take flight into a changing future.” yeah ok mister butterfly metaphor, how does he make dad jokes about being a supervillain

Ah ofc, it’s about gabriel, i really must read that again to refresh but i remember the gist

Nooo, i really like how you’ve characterised lila in this and her shit always seems to be heartbreaking the poor we lamb

Ok the way you’re describing the transformation is incredibly chilling, i adore the line “her lips curled into his grin” blegh. Fantastically written.

It’s reminding me of the scene where the girl becomes enchantress in the first suicide squad movie, i love that scene.

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Alright pov change to… caline? Very fun

Love the in world reason as why they’re in the same class, i just KNOW your ass couldn’t be bothered switching it up but needed a reason

CONFIRMATION ON CALINE AND ANARKA?? DAMN OK

I mean we knew but so much outright is very exciting, and a wonderful segue into discussing juleka

The workplace banter between caline and valerie is a joy to read, i think you’ve hit it perfectly where caline isn’t acting like a sugary teacher but also isn’t acting like a different person

Aww cute moment with sabrina and chloe

I always love seeing what other characters think of each other so this is a treat, Juleka would be totally miffed by how much they worry about her

Wait. you’re not telling me were going to get caline and Anarka in the same room are you? Hold up

Ruh roh

Intern with agreste? I beg that it’s paid for marinette but uh

Ruh roh

Especially with adrien and chloes reactions

Hey i nearly forgot about chameleon where is she lila? Pspspspsp

Adam making a return was not the comeback i expected, however detective Rena is a wonderful treat

OOO WAIT ARE WE GOING TO TREAT THIS LIKE A MURDER MYSTERY

I might be too hype for nothing but that would be so much fun

Ladybug just watching rena fuck about is cute

Rose and alix conversing? In MY panthera noir fic?? This is awesome

Rose and panthera have a crazy relationship… i like to think about it from rose’s perspective sometimes and like damn i’d be baffled and flattered too

I love alix. Ugh the way you go about her minute traits is just fantastic

WAIT

WHAT

THATS A CHOICE

OK GIRL I SEE WHAT YOU’RE DOING

Oh i feel like a fake fan for not knowing if panthera is chameleon or if juleka is after the first line. Panthera has to be chameleon right? Why would lila choose juleka?

OK SO IT’S PANTHERA TIME TO REREAD HER LINES

Oh i thought it was weird she winked, i was a bit happy cause playful panthera is always good but i also felt a bit weird about it cause it’d been so long

Ok i don’t think i would’ve noticed. I’m ashamed. Lila is a good actor tho? Nah that’s pity points. I shall live with my shame.

It is weird having panthera and juleka in the same room, alix. Very weird. 

Rose is so cute about juleka fr, the way she behaves is so endearing

Oh i just love the direction you’ve taken this in

Oh ok black scary magic veins thats fun. Short end of the stick or what jesus, ladybug doesn’t get lasting effects. I don’t think? It’d be interesting if she couldn’t heal herself or something but i don’t think you’ve gone in that direction

Oh it is funny seeing lila flirt in pantheras body, girl you don’t know how to do this. Are we gonna get civilian juleka getting caught up in the mix again? That’s always fun

For me, no one else finds it fun

Good that luka keeps up his right as an older brother and annoys juleka with tiktoks

Wait

There are tiktok edits of panthera

There are probably tiktok edits of ladynoire

Wait this is the funniest thing ever, a more chill chapter or scene delving into their fanbase would be funny lmao

“Panthera what that tail do” is an atrocious cat call (dya see what i did there?) 

OMG RENA GETS AN INTERVIEW

NVM JULEKA CALLING HERSELF A SLUT IS WAY FUNNIER HELLO? GIRL??

Someone in this freaky friday world must be getting major twilight zone vibes from seeing juleka and panthera next to each other. How does that not break the glamour. 

Help juleka you can’t ask for a selfie from your clone transformed self that’s crazy

Juleka just being raging this whole time is wonderful

Oh ew i don’t like it as much anymore, girl paws off this is just weird to imagine

Ladybug is that jealousy?? Crazy move at this time

Ladybug has to know right? She’s seen how she’s acting weird and she just called her Noire. I don’t think she’s ever done that before

HA toxic ladynoire my beloved you’ve made a comeback

I love when juleka says shit she means to think like she ruminates so hard

Be crazy is ladybug found out juleka is panthera

She won’t it wouldn’t make sense

Or would it

I think I just want to know what would happen if that was uncovered. Anyway. The electricity has to be because of the magic right?

Omg marinete is so silly, calling her jules is a wild move she’s lucky she already knows like damn

That whole paragraph about wondering how to talk to LB when it’s one sided trust? Chefs kiss, muah, I adore it. I want them to interact outside the mask more so bad because it’s always weird as fuck when they do. 

Like holy shit I love this chapter

EEEE their relationship is literally so much fun to read and see develop

She knows everything about her aww they’re so sweet

They should kiss

No they shouldn’t that cheating on rose but you get what i mean girl

Plagg just being out and about without anyone seeing nout is crazy

Why did i become dr seus 

Alix is such a cheeky cunt i love her

Sorry got absorbed by the accusation, that was perfection Cap, i love it

Omg i forgot about the parent teacher conference. This is so funny. Ops on juleka walking in and finding them making out?

Och nvm but them drinking and going for it full tilt is the best i can get 

Hey what happened

Why is lila in there oh we just skipped the fight? That sounds so bitchy I’m sorry, I was just a bit confused

Panthera picking lila up is so cute… the poor thing tho, man…

Caline is doing gods work i love her in this, fighting nathalie about adrien is bold but needed

Oh lila you poor we thing, man it’s just such a shame… its so heartbreaking seeing just how much lila loves the heroes and yet because of her fuckwit mother she cant seem to see how that connection is just as valid as a romantic one if that makes sense? Like you do have feelings towards people please lila i beg. 

Ew gabriel

His attitude is just so offputting. Leave her alone! To like everyone in his life fr. 

THIS WAS FANTASTIC CAP

PN is always a treat and this chapter was built amazingly <3

i'm sorry if this is less energetic than usual, the winter sickness has been hitting me.

GLAD YOU ENJOYED!!! Also- yeah- Sorry about the sudden fight skip. Both for skipping it and for not making it clear that it was skipped. Was burning out hard at the end and I couldnt figure out a way to just keep the fight going without staying interesting. Glad you enjoyed despite that.

Stay safe out there! Glad you enjoyed!

[askaceattorney]

Dear Ladynoir,

I can’t agree with you more. It isn’t as if the original troupe was going to make a comeback. Trucy was how old when this guy was kicked out of the troupe? Maybe an infant or toddler at most?

As far as I’m concerned, he was making big by being a director of Take-2 TV. There was no need to ruin a teenage girl’s reputation over her grandfather being an ass.

(How petty can someone like that get?)

- Apollo Justice

[kikigeh]

I decided to write down the most striking information from the season 5 bible leak. DO NOT INTERACT if you want to go into the season blindly but do interact if you want to discuss it. Heavy spoilers under the cut.

A few things to note before we go on:

The document's final revision is from 2020, this means that THIS DOCUMENT IS NOT FINAL and the information might differ from what we will be seeing in the end product.

Also, a show's bible is meant to go over the key points of the story and characters, it's not necessarily a synopsis of everything that you'll see in the show so save yourself the immediate belief that the season is going to suck because character A or thing B are not mentioned in length here.

The bullet points go in order of appearance in the document, hence the jumps in subjects.

With that out of the way, let's start. FINAL WARNING, leave if you don't want to be spoiled.

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It is revealed that Marinette had a crush on Kim prior to the show starting. Confessing was a bad experience for her (thanks to Chloe) and that's the reason as to why she's so hesitant to confess to Adrien.

At the very end of the season, Ladybug and Chat Noir will finally be able to use their special powers without transforming back. They'll be able to use Lucky Charms/Cataclysms more than once.

Adrien will find the courage to tell Gabriel that he doesn't want to be a model.

Adrien realizes that he feels something special towards Marinette and, realizing that Ladybug will never love him back, he decides to pursue her instead.

Adrien and Marinette will have their first kiss on episode 23 "Collusion".

Gabriel, owing a favor to Tomoe Tsurugi, wants Adrien to be with Kagami.

Nathalie is described in the document as "eventually emerging as a surrogate mother to Adrien".

We will either see or hear what happens when Chat Noir uses his Cataclysm on a human being in the episode "Destruction"

Ladynoir's relationship will change; without Chat Noir's flirting and with Ladybug finally accepting that she needs him (no longer pushing him away), they become a perfect duo of platonic, supportive friends.

Lady Noire and Mister Bug make an appearance in Season 5 once more.

Ladybug will be merging the Ladybug and Black Cat miraculous herself becoming "BugNoire".

The merging of the Ladybug and Black Cat miraculous create a brand new Kwami whose ability is to grant a wish (Like Dragon Ball's Shenron). The magic formula is found within the Grimoire; Gabriel, however, does not know how to decipher it. This is why his goal is to find someone who does.

Ladybug/Marinette finds out Hawkmoth's identity. Chat Noir/Adrien, however, will NEVER learn about it.

Nathalie was introduced to the Agrestes by Mrs. Tsurugi. She was hired because she was a hunter of magical artifacts.

Nathalie is secretly in love with Gabriel and follows him blindly, however, she has a secret plan for herself and wishes to fuse the miraculous so that her own wish can be granted: Make Gabriel fall in love with her.

Monarch will akumatize people and then send out a miraculous their way this season.

At the end of the season, Gabriel will give up the butterfly miraculous and someone else will get a hold of it: Lila.

Lila has several identities and several families, somehow. She goes by Lila Rossi, Cerise and Iris Verdi for different scenarios.

Scarabella will make a comeback for the two episode special.

Chloe's butler's name is Armand; he's the only person who cares for Chloe. More about this will be brought up in the episode "Adoration".

Zoe has feelings for Marinette, but she doesn't dare to tell her. This will also come up in episode "Adoration".

Zoe will become the holder of the Black Cat miraculous during the two-part special.

Contrary to popular belief, there are no written implications about Juleka and Rose's relationship despite it being shown on-screen. Neither are there any implications about Marc and Nathaniel's.

Kim was ALSO in love with Marinette in 8th grade. He is said to be the root of Marinette's problems in the episode "Derision".

Kagami is described as having "powerful feelings" towards both Adrien and Marinette.

Luka will leave in Mid-Season 5 as to not compromise the identities of Ladybug and Chat Noir. He will leave with Jagged to Brazil, where he meets with Su-Han who will teach him Mirakung-fu. He'll go back to Paris in the finale.

Felix's new identity as the Peacock holder is called "Argos".

There will be several instances where we're reminded of Marinette's anxiety, mostly induced by her fears both as a civilian but also as Ladybug.

Marinette gives up on Adrien (or attempts to) and starts realizing that she may have feelings for Chat Noir, who has changed a lot since the end of S4.

Adrien asks Marinette out, which further complicates her feelings since she believes her crush on Adrien is detrimental.

Marinette is convincing herself that the one she loves is Chat Noir in order to forget about Adrien but he, who has given up on Ladybug, is intent on pursuing Marinette this time around.

There will be an apparent complete reversal of the lovesquare which may only culminate with Andre The Ice Maker's appearance to help them figure some things out.

Plagg and Tikki hurt from watching Marinette/Ladybug and Adrien/Chat Noir struggle with their feelings, which is why they opt for removing their miraculous and handing them out to other holders (Alya and Zoe).

Marinette thinks Zoe has a crush on Adrien. We know that that isn't quite the case and she is the object of Zoe's affection instead.

Lila and Chloe become the next class representatives. Lila is able to manipulate and control Chloe; because of their joint efforts, they become Monarch's strongest minions.

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I think the only three things I heavily dislike are:

1. The fact that Adrien will NEVER find out about his father 2. Lila is not a compelling character, so the show is definitely going to suffer with her as the lead villain. 3. Felix is not mentioned much, if at all. Seems like the sentimonster arc might take a backseat but then again, things could've changed during production from 2020 to 2022.

But other than that, I don't see why anyone would read the document and firmly believe that it's underwhelming. If anything, I find most of it extremely exciting compared to the other seasons. Only time will tell.... but anyway, until then, don't miss today's release of episode 1!

[angiecakes1990]

Miraculous Ladybug Highlights of this year

Took him 5 seasons but Adrien is aware of his feelings for Marinette and falls hard for her 😂😂

Ladynoir Kiss in Jubliation but its under its power idc I’ll take it 😭

Ladynoire and Mister Bug make a comeback

First official kiss between them which both can remember in the form of Marichat 😭😭

Adrienette later becomes a couple but feels incomplete without the reveal 😭

Felix is back and introduce himself as the new peacock holder and anti hero Argos.

In Pretension Felix confessed his feelings towards Kagami so basically Felix likes her 😂 but FELIGAMI for the win 😍

[bvgxboo]

Now that its been a couple weeks and we’re in a hiatus until what I assume to be next year, LETS TALK ABOUT JUBILATION !!!

For starters, this episode is big in it if itself, it literally flips the fandom’s idea of what everyone believed to be “Ladybug doesn’t have feelings for Cat Noir” despite the TRUCK TONS of evidence suggesting otherwise including HER OWN WORDS being used against her in her diary.

But I digress, the importance of this episode to me at least, is the deakumatization of Principal Damocles re run of the Dark Owl.

Coming out of the dream, Ladybug is visibly upset, she too wanted to stay in this love sick dream and carry on her life with her kitty, but she chooses to push onward. The part that gets me is Cat Noir’s reaction. IMMEDIATELY after coming out of the dream, he’s RAGE filled, throwing himself onto the villain and taking over control instantly, drastically different from the past where its been a visible struggle for both hero’s to take control over the situation. we know the motivation for this here.

The kicker for me is this scene, when he summons the cataclysm, almost pushing down and being held back from Ladybug’s reaction and his own morality. He KNOWS what a cataclysm would do to a person, we’ve seen the effects of it from the mlb nyc special.

But the biggest part of it all is his decision making here. To me, this SCREAMS Cat Blanc. The face. The music. It’s so ominous. It’s like he was helpless, he wasn’t himself when he summoned the cataclysm, completely emotion driven, JUST like Cat Blanc.

Then when the butterfly flys off, we see the regret. We see Adrien sorta come back to his senses and Ladybug repairing the damages like always.

WE EVEN SEE HER HOPE THAT THE DREAM IS REAL WHEN SHE CHECKS HIS POCKETS.

What I’m basically getting from this is we are in the endgame. They feel helpless. They’re tired. They WANT a happy ending. This season to me, has a theme of closure. We are finally getting an ending for every part of the Love Square early on to focus on development for Adrienette, we get closure when it comes to Marinette’s REAL feelings, but most important, we get closure on the big bad, Cat Blanc.

I think the fandom is fully aware what a HUGE episode it was judging from the MULTIPLE times hes made a comeback since his debut episode. He’s made a SEVERE mark on ladynoir when it comes to their dynamic and that’s apparent from the end argument in Risk.

Even from the end of that debut episode, we didn’t ever get her ever telling him head on what happened. she just showed up, held him close and left him confused.

Strap in because I think Season 5 is HIS season.

[retarded-faggot]

Full MLB S4 episode list and air-dates released!!

First, the S4 episode list:

(Credits to: Miraculous Ladybug News)

P.S: The ticked episode names mark the episodes that have been aired so far. This list shows the episode names in English.

Click here to view the episode names in French and here to view this list in Portuguese.

S4 EP15 (EP415) is titled Glaciator 2, S4 EP20 (EP420) is titled Qilin, S4 EP 22 (EP422) is titled Ephemeral,S4 EP 23 (EP423) is titled Kuro Neko and S4 EP24 (EP424) is titled Penalteam .

S4 EP25 (EP425) is titled Risk- ShadowMoth's last attack-Part 1 and S4 EP26 (EP26) is titled Strike Back- ShadowMoth's last attack-Part 2.

Now, meanings of certain new episode names, which might stir up new and fun theories in your minds! :

If u don't wanna see those meanings, feel free to scroll down to the air-dates!

(S4 EP 20) I think this episode is gonna be related to Marinette's Chinese background, or Gina being in China, or maybe is gonna be about the comeback of Fei! Cuz it was implied that the 'girl' Gina was referring to in Simpleman might be Fei ! Let's see!

(S4 EP22)Well, no theories abt this from my side!

(S4 EP23) I have no theories about this except for the inkling that this might revolve around Cat Noir, or the Black Cat Miraculous, or purr-haps, a Past Black Cat Miraculous holder! Or maybe about Plagg or his past too! But let me clear one thing, Kagami is NOT going to take Cat Noir's Miraculous. This has been confirmed by @Anita on Twitter.

Now, onto the Air-Dates!

(Credits to: https://miraculous.to/en/)

S4 EP9 Gabriel Agreste in English- 20th November 2021 at 5:15am UK Time

S4 EP15 Glaciator 2 in French- 24th October 2021 at 9:35am French Time

S4 EP15 Glaciator 2 in English-6th November 2021 at 10am EST (Credits to :The Maya. B Show on YT)

S4 EP16 Hack-San in English- 13th November 2021 at 10am EST (Credits to :The Maya. B Show on YT)

S4 EP19 Simpleman in English- 16th October 2021 at 5:15am UK Time

S4 EP21 Dearest Family in Portuguese- 19th October 2021 7:30am Brazilian Time (Thanks to @theultracharmingladynoire for letting me know about this and credits to @Miraculous Ladynoir on YT)

S4 EP21 Dearest Family in English- 23rd October 2021 at 5:15am UK Time

S4 EP22 Ephemeral in English- 27th November 2021 at 10am EST (Credits to: The Maya. B Show on YT)

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That's all for now!

I'm extremely sorry, once again, for so much delay. This took 1 hr to make 😅.

(S4 EP22 Ephemeral has been highlighted red as you could see above! Any idea why?)

Lemme know what you think about these in reblogs, comments, mentions, messages, etc.

Likes and Reblogs are much appreciated!

This is La-Fille-Noire-13, signing out!

[starfellwish]

ML Theory: Episode 22, Finale, Ladynoir, and Everything Else

This will have rocketear and finale synopsis spoilers - be warned.

I genuinely do think that the two part finale of season 4, "The Last Attack of Shadowmoth" (which is,,, a title to say the least; more on that in a bit) is gonna be so tense for a variety of reasons.

Rocketear Analysis

We have a couple of gamechanger episodes coming up. Rocketear definitely was a gamechanger as Adrien was able to realize that Alya and Nino are aware of each other's identities with Ladybug giving them permission. And he's angry about it. He knows that Ladybug lied to him about the rules, and he also knows that her being the guardian is definitely something that has led to their relationship being affected (flashbacks to a previous s4 ep when he's like it's cool if she's the guardian, as long as their partnership isn't affected - well that was some foreshadowing, wasn't it?). Honestly, seeing that as Marinette makes all the rules now as guardian, her decisions should be able to include her knowing Chat's identity. But. Chat Blanc exists, and I think that her not telling him about it and hiding it from him is a parallel to how she wanted Alya to hide the truth from Nino (obviously this failed too - Alya went behind her back to tell Nino the truth). She knows that he'd understand if she told him and its better to tell him that he may destroy everything if they knew each other's identities than left him feeling isolated and alone and at risk for literally getting akumatized. By isolating him, she's quite literally putting the world at risk for Chat Blanc 2.0, rather than her telling him something heartbreaking and being there for him so he doesn't get hurt by Shadow Moth's intentions. I think that she'll come to realize this in the finale and learn from her mistakes.

I think that in this screenshot, we got a snippet of foreshadowing of what's to come:

I saw some people theorize that this is foreshadowing that Adrien's real identity is between Ladynoir, and while this could be general foreshadowing for the entirety of the show (Marinette is in love with Adrien, and that's why she can't love Chat Noir), I do think that interpretation could be misplaced here due to the tone of the episode. Instead, I believe that this is foreshadowing that Chat may reveal himself to Ladybug. After all, she literally knows the identity of literally every other person who has a miraculous, and is the guardian.

*Side note: It also reminds me a lot of Felix. Could be a reference to that? Not sure what my thoughts on that being, but it's just somehting that struck me.

Episode 22

In my mind, it would make most sense for Adrien to reveal himself in episode 22. We've been told by the people who make the show that since episode 22 is the 100th episode of the show overall, it will be incredibly serious. This episode may run the highest risk of Adrien being akumatized into Chat Blanc again, as tensions are definitely running high. However, another akumatization event could happen, and Chat could be left out again, making him angry. I think that him getting akumatized is more likely, however. This is because of his appearance in Sentibubbler - I think that's foreshadowing. After everything is taken care of, Chat Noir and Ladybug will get into an argument. Chat will tell Ladybug that he knows about Alya and Nino, and that he thinks she's a hypocrite. He was loyal to her, and now he's having his doubts about their partnership, because he doesn't even think its a partnership anymore. Ladybug is the guardian and has more secrets that she is keeping from him. She talks about Chat Blanc and tells him that him finding out her identity leads to basically the end of the world. Adrien is surprised that he was akumatized before. He then gets mad at her for literally hiding this from him when they could've taken precautions beforehand, and then could possibly assert that he doesn't know what else she's hiding from him. He also, at the same time, doesn't feel like he should be Chat Noir anymore if he poses that much of a risk to the world. He detransforms in front of her and gives her the miraculous. He tells her he won't be a problem again, and leaves.

Finale

Ladybug, of course, realizes her mistake and tries to get him back. However, over the course of 23 and 24, she is caught up with Alya and Nino's problems with them not hiding their secrets. Adrien is already scheduled to leave Paris for a couple of weeks with Lila, and Ladybug trying to persuade him to stay is basically one of the main conflicts of the final episode. Pair this with "ShadowMoth's Last Attack" and you've got a season finale. I think the name of the season finale, is, as always, a misdirect. There's no way Gabriel is getting all his miraculous taken away until season 5, as that's when the full reveal happens, so it seems like he'll return to just regular old Hawkie. I don't think it would make sense for him to be disarmed now and for next season's finale to have the full reveal. Here's the synopsis below so we can dissect it.

Shadowmoth's Last Attack

Having understood that if Ladybug always triumphs, it's thanks to her prudence, Papillombre (Shadow Moth) conceives a diabolical plan around a super villain endowed with the power to push his victims to take all risks. When Marinette learns that Adrien must leave Paris for several weeks with Lila, new muse of the Agreste brand, she is ready to do she is ready to do anything to stop him. How far will she go? Even to the fatal risk of betraying her secret identity for love? And will Adrien take the risk to finally stand up to his father?

Okay, so let's dissect this. What I said before adds up to Adrien leaving with Lila. It would also explain why Marinette would potentially reveal herself to Adrien, if only to get him to stay. Because she knows that he's Chat, and maybe her being Marinette will somehow influence his decision. Or, it may show him that she's finally willing to trust him with everything.

It could also allude back to the song in the movie. Since the Miraculous movie was originally intended to act as a finale to Season 5, we can take things from early development and see if they end up fitting in the narrative. In this situation I'm going to quote "Ce mur qui nous separe" (English translation: The Wall Between Us), the French song that was made for the movie when it was intended to be the Season 5 finale.

It’s strong when I see him I want to scream on the rooftops our love that reaches out to us But I know that I can’t It’s not the right moment We have to be patient be patient

Here's the French translation in case the translation Genius gave me was wrong:

C’est fort quand je le vois Je veux crier sur tous les toits Notre amour qui nous tend les bras Mais je sais que je ne dois pas Ce n’est pas le moment Il faut être patients Être patients

This part of the song is from Marinette's perspective, and the fact that she's saying that she has to wait for the right moment to actually be in love with him probably means that she knows Adrien's identity. Because why would she "know" that she can't love him? Why is it not the right moment? Why do they have to be patient? Her being Ladybug and being unable to be in a relationship may explain why it's not the right moment, but the fact that she says "our" love points me in another direction. She knows she loves Adrien, and she knows that Chat, and therefore, Adrien, loves her. But she can't tell him her identity yet. However, her knowing his identity would make sense. I remember that before season 4 started airing, a lot of the fandom wondered if Chat was going to have to reveal his identity to her because she's the guardian. After all, that would make sense. Them making it a problem over the course of the season would mean that it would have to be handled in some way. I think that her finding out Chat's identity is probably the most logical course of action, as she can't be a good guardian until she has all the information at her disposal.

There are two specific lines which I find interesting in the finale synopsis. The part where it says, "Papillombre (Shadow Moth) conceives a diabolical plan around a super villain endowed with the power to push his victims to take all risks," is particularly interesting. This could mean a couple of things. Shadow Moth could be akumatizing Felix - after all, he stopped at nothing to try and replace Adrien in order to ruin his relationship with his friends. He kissed Ladybug when she told him no. He was snooping in Adrien's things. Clearly, there was nothing he wasn't willing to do in order to get the ring back. (This whole thing is never explained either after Felix - why is the ring so important?) Maybe that will make a comeback? Or, the "his" in the synopsis where it specifies that the villain has no limits, may be referring to Shadowmoth. In that situation, it could be Lila who is again akumatized. She has clearly no limits, as she's working for Shadow Moth willingly, and likely knows his identity. This is one likely scenario. Or Shadowmoth will akumatize Adrien. He may feel detached, and Gabriel will interpret it as being sad that he's being taken away from all of his friends. Adrien is known for being quite stubborn, and having Ladybug fight Adrien's akumatized state would be season finale material. However, if he is akumatized in the finale as something else, then the Chat Blanc akumatization in episode 22 is unlikely (they wouldn't do something like that twice in a row). Of course, his akumatized state would be different than Chat Blanc because people can be akumatized into multiple different villains and Hawkie doesn't know that Adrien=Chat Noir.

The second line that I find particularly interesting is this one:

And will Adrien take the risk to finally stand up to his father?

Now, why would Adrien stand up to his father? Maybe with literally everyone betraying him, he'll find no reason to stay. He needs a constant in his life, and telling his father that he needs him to be here for him may be a step that he makes. After all, Ladybug and him are having their biggest fight, his best friend Nino told him that he finds his hero persona absolutely abhorrent, and he doesn't feel like he has a place on the superhero team. He needs someone, and he's hoping that Gabriel can be that person.

That could be one scenario, or Adrien may find out about Hawkie's basement. Now, this, could raise a lot of questions for him. While I believe that Adrien would have the normal tendency to be like "father, what the hell." He may honestly believe that this is all he has left, and therefore, will assist his father. This takes me back to the season 2 opening card.

Where is Chat Noir? With the villains.

Maybe Adrien will have his well deserved Dark!Chat Noir arc. Or maybe, he'll be a spy for the Quantic team. Ladybug and him will make up, and he'll tell her that he can spy on Hawkie for the team, and that's how they move into season 5 - with Adrien as a double agent. He will help his father in everything that he does, and therefore, get access to more information that he can share with the team. He can help establish a meeting for Hawk Moth to get caught, with evidence, by planting cameras, calling police, etc.

Honestly, I'm hoping for the latter subplot, as I don't want Chat Noir to go evil for everyone's sakes. I do think that the latter would also give him a cementable role that would logistically make sense and help establish him as an strong character, and more importantly, a valuable member of the team and Ladybug's true partner.

Or, they could go down the more simpler route, and choose Adrien to find out, be shocked, and then yell at his father for being who he is. Gabriel just assumes because Adrien is only just Adrien, he doesn't have to worry about him. He will threaten Adrien, and Adrien will stay silent in front of him, but tell the team on the side. Of course, this doesn't really mean double agent Adrien, but it still implies spy Adrien. It also still manages to make his character more relevant.

Regardless, there's a lot of different ways that line could go, and I'm excited to see where it moves on from there.

Implications on the Love Square

The love square seems entirely messed up this season. There is almost nothing going on in relation to it, especially in regards to Ladynoir, Ladrien, and Marichat. Adrienette has honestly the most action right now, especially with the reverse umbrella scene, them helping out Juleka together, etc. This leads me to think that while we'll get a lot of Ladynoir in the finale as they repair their relationship, Adrienette may be the strongest ship of the four when moving into season 5. Let me explain why.

Over the course of this entire season, Adrien has been getting closer to Marinette, and is honestly more warm with her than he has been with Ladybug. This can explain what everyone has been thinking - a reverse love square. Even if Ladybug and him make up, Chat may honestly want to go and see other people. This includes Mari. What Nino said about Ladybug finding him annoying may actually really affect him and his feelings and make him realize that he can find love elsewhere. It's also the fact that it was enunciated twice during Rocketear that Alya couldn't fall in love with someone that she didn't really know. That could lead Adrien to wonder if he really knows Ladybug, which will definitely complicate his feelings. The Kagami thing was never going to work out, so he just needs to find someone else who cares for him. He knows Marinette; he has called her similar to Ladybug - he may rebound from Ladybug to Marinette. Ladybug may realize that she messed up, and she has already shown that she is becoming more indifferent to dating Adrien, due to what happened with Luka. When she and Chat Noir fix their relationship, she may see him as the only person she doesn't have to lie to, and therefore thinks about pursuing a relationship with him. Therefore, a reverse love square would make the most sense in this situation.

If a ship were to start actually dating in season 5 - it may honestly depend on how the finale is. The two most likely ships imo are either Ladynoir or Adrienette. If Ladynoir makes up during the finale, then the barriers to them dating aren't really present, unless the Alya thing actually makes it complicated for them. Adrienette may get together, but Marinette is wary of dating because she's Ladybug. However, we all know she's weak in the knees for Adrien and will definitely say yes if he asked her out.

Therefore, I feel like this season is leaning more towards plot and character development, and while it may set some things up for season 5, it is important to pay attention at the little shifts in the square, because they are happening right in front of us.

Alya and Marinette

I wanted to be able to talk about this at some point in this theory, but since everything else is more Adrien centric, I added it here at the end. Okay, so we know that Alya is lying to Marinette about telling Nino things. We also know that Alya has bended the rules for Nino multiple times, both before and during Rocketear. This could go one of two ways: Alya telling Nino teaches Marinette that she needs to be able to trust Chat, and therefore helps her realize that she doesn't need to be so secretive and lie all the time. It could also lead to a plot where Alya basically messed up largely by telling Nino, and everything goes downhill from there. Ladybug shows Chat that they can't know each other's identities because of what happened with them. We also Nino is a bit of a blabbermouth - love his character, but he is. He told Adrien not only his identity, but also Alya's. He also told him that they know the other's identity. This is bad, and Adrien knowing definitely affects the plot later on. If Adrien ends up revealing himself to Ladybug, it is likely that she'll find out about Nino saying that, and having to revoke their kwamis. This could lead to a strained relationship with Alya. In fact, it is likely that at this point, Marinette will already have a strained relationship with Alya, as it could be revealed that Alya told Nino about Rena Furtive. This could lead to Ladybug being defensive and worried that she made mistakes, and literally just closing the Miraculous box because of it. Maybe Alya will go rogue? After all, it was mentioned in Rocketear (and I appreciate that they talked about this) how Alya was a reporter and that by extension means that her personality is one of a truthteller. Alya getting angry at Mari could definitely lead to a situation where she threatens to tell he everyone. I don't think Alya would or could do that, but anger leads to akumatization, and an akumatized Alya would not be good for anyone as her judgement would be impaired. Regardless, Rena Furtive may be a short time hero, and Mari and Alya may end the season in a fight. I don't see that being resolved in the finale, as no fight like that is mentioned in those episodes. There is also simply too much going on in the finale for it to make sense. It may be resolved later on, just like how other problems in season 3 started being solved in the beginning of season 4. Or, it could be fought out and resolved in episodes 23 and 24.

Therefore, I think that the Nino carelessly revealing his identity and Alya carelessly disregarding Ladybug's orders may lead to a plotpoint at some point where Alya and Ladybug fight. While I do think that it would be nice if Alya proved Ladybug wrong and showed that they were stronger for working together, I do not think it's likely. The show was deliberate in showing that Alya had a weakness for Nino, and has shown before that it has led to many situations where there were risks for everyone involved. Even Hawkmoth said that love and secrets don't go well together (is he talking from experience?), and I feel like that was so deliberate, but it could also be alluding to Chat and Ladybug. (Side note: it was so weird for Hawk Moth to say that, as he had no idea of the situation; regardless I do think this it's heavy foreshadowing.) Therefore, I do not think the situation that Alya has placed herself in is a situation which will have a peaceful ending.

Final Notes:

I personally cannot wait for the "Gabriel Agreste" episode. I think that the fact that we did not get it yet means that it has serious story implications. Personally, I believe it's going to explain allllll the backstory we need for the whole Bourgeois/Tsurugi/Agreste history and tell us why Emilie is the way she is right now. Of course, maybe it won't do everything, but the fact that it is named after Gabriel makes me wonder if it'll be his origins episode of sorts.

EDIT AFTER MEGA LEECH: IF GABRIEL AGRESTE REVEALS ADRIEN TO BE A SENTIMONSTER I WILL BE SO SO EXCITED BC ANGST BUT ALSO LIKE??? WHAT ABOUT THE PLOT? WHAT ABOUT THE NINE YEAR OLDS?

Chat snapping is honestly something that I cannot wait for. All of his anger has been building up over the entire season thus far, and the implications of his feelings are definitely serious for the show's plot.

I wonder if Mayura will be making a comeback at some point. While this is less relevant, Nathalie's health seems to be making her bedridden for a long time. Maybe she'll return to a similar state to Emilie? I saw theories that stated that if Hawkie gets his wish, Nathalie's life may be sacrificed for Emilie's, and idk, I think it's not likely that it'll happen, but it would be cool if it did. The ultimate payback for his actions being the loss of Nathalie.

Look at the end card of Rocketear:

He's looking at the moon, which was shown in New York to be something he does when he's sad. Also possible reference to him destroying the moon in Chat Blanc.

Kitty do be on a roof all alone without his lady :(

[iwasbored777]

Heyo! Wanted to ask your opinion on what Ladynoir might look like in Season 5. Do you think their conflict is going to effect how they are working together? Will they brush things off, talk things out? I feel like their relationship can go many ways at the start of Season 5, especially since Ladybug acknowledged her avoidance of Chat. There’s just so much potential on how Ladybug and Chat Noir will develop, and I want your honest opinion!

I think the only way is up now. Ever since the end of Kuro Neko their relationship had a rough comeback but now they are only getting better and better. I think Marinette will soon be aware of her feelings for Chat and hopefully Adrien will soon be aware of his feelings for Marinette. Ladynoir is right now the only "weak" part and by that I mean they still have some things to sort out, other sides of the Love Square are perfectly fine. I believe Ladybug and Chat Noir will be able to work things out and they will solve these few communication barriers slowly but effectively. After Strikeback I trust the writers with Ladynoir. I hope they do it right.

[floweryotter]

My ML Season 5 wishlist

So now that we are officially in hiatus, I will enlist all the things I theorize or want to see next season so when it finally premieres, I can keep track of what ends up happening

I'll keep it pinned so I can keep adding new stuff it occurs to me or that I remember thinking in a past time or that I heard from someone else and loved the idea

First theories, speculations and headcanons:

The first episode will start with the continuation of Strike Back's last scene / GUESSED CORRECTLY (by Gloob's first minute release of Evolution)

The miracuclass will fight - or at least try - not minding they have no powers anymore / GUESSED CORRECTLY

Parisians will also sum up to the fight in one way or another / IN PROCESS (by Gloob's first minute release of Evolution)

The rich adults will be relevant for Hawky's plan, especially Tomoe / IN PROCESS (did you saw Multiplication’s teaser... yeah...)

Adrien is gonna remember about Felix's monocle and find out what it was for... / FAILED (Gabi has it...)

The episode titles are mostly kwami-related but also universe lore-related / IN PROCESS 

LB will start to be more open with CN little by little until she finally addresses what happened with Chat Blanc / IN PROCESS (Ladynoir conversation in Perfection my beloved)

Adrien won't trust Felix any time soon and will keep mad with him

Adrien will punch Felix in the face (i know... too ooc...) / HALF-FAILED (I will take Adrien launching the basketball to Felix’s memory in “Multiplication” as a partial succes lol)

Su-Han will finally do something productive and start training LB and CN / FAILED (the bitch has been MIA since Evolution, tho I hope his at least back for the finale)

Chloe actually gets redeemed for good / IN PROCESS (LISTEN! I have a new theory that she can still change for good if they get rid of Audrey at the end)

Secret code between Adrien and LB to know he is the real one / FAILED (yeah i don't think this will happen anymore)

Gabriel will have the "brilliant" idea to wear all the miraculous and perish :) / HALF-GUESSED HALF- FAILED (ok he will perish but not because of the miracoulous, but because of CN's cataclysm... lol?)

An episode will be named "Adrien" / FAILED (I had this in mind but never wrote it here so I'm updating)

Theories, speculations and headcanons from this post:

Alix will finally become the permanent holder of the rabbit miraculous in “Reunion” / HALF-GUESSED (happened in “Evolution”)

Alya will reunite with Trixx in “Reunion” “Illusion” (changed due to recent evidence in “Evolution”) / FAILED (she it didn't happened)

We will see Felix again in “Reunion” (new one) / HALF-GUESSED (Ok he appeared  in “Multiplication” so... much earlier than I thought)

The kwamis will reveal against Gabriel in “Deflagration” / HALF-GUESSED (Plagg cataclysming his own miraculous was chef's kiss)

“Revelation” will have some of the main problems and mysteries solved / HALF-GUESSED (at least we saw a little of wha's going on with Lila, but there's so much more we still don't know...)

“Confrontation” will be mainly about the Agreste-Graham de Vanily / FAILED (well I wouldn't have ever imagined this was gonna be school centric and having Lila be the main villain again)

We will see the Order of the Miraculous in “Collusion” / FAILED (I WAS SO WRONG HAHAHA but what happened at the end is still sooo grounbreaking)

LB will do some guardian badass move in “Revolution”

“Representation” will show us more context about the kwamis

We will see a wish granted in “Conformation”

New theories, speculations and headcanons:

The scarf will make an important comeback

We will see an upgrade of Chat Noir’s costume or powers in “Destruction” / FAILED (the only thing that was destroyed were my theories about this lol... oh and Mothriel's arm)

Ladynoir will recover part of the miraculous in “The Kwamis’ Choice” / HALF-FAILED (probably...)

[gale-gentlepenguin]

So I have been piecing together a theories on when/ how the Ladynoir fallout is going to happen. So Based on the episodes so far. Here are my theories of events that will occur. (Note this is just based on deduction and uses some spoilers of episodes as a base):

-Marinette's parents (or at the very least her mother) will find out that she is Ladybug before the fall out. My bet is this happens episode 99 but I can see it happening in episode 98.

-Kagami will find out Ladybug and/or Chat noir's identity similar to Luka. Either during Adrien's akumatization or just before it.

-Adrien and Plagg will get into a massive arguement.

-Adrien will find out about Rena Furtive and that she knows Ladybug's identity

-Kagami will use the cat miraculous.

-Adrien will get akumatized. (Not Chat noir, ADRIEN)

-Adrien will give up his miraculous because of akumatization. My hunch is that it was because he was fighting akumatization. But I can see it happening as a result of After it happens. (Like He tells Plagg to leave when the akuma hits but then doesnt take it back)

-Adrien will comeback to being chat noir because either Luka or Kagami talked to him about taking the role up again, as they would be the ones that know Marinette is Ladybug and needs his help.

-The dynamic of Ladynoir will have forever changed as a result.

-There will be another episode with multiple akuma, and I think it will be the boy akumas as it will be adrien related.

[ao3feed-ladynoir]

Dear True Love

Dear True Love by lalunaoscura

If Adrien's feelings weren't messed up after not knowing what to do now that he didn't have to model anymore, whatever happened during that akuma fight was living rent-free inside his mind and he didn't know what to do. Adrien raised his hands and could barely see them, but he still could feel the warmth from holding her. It felt so real. He was under miraculous influences before, even akuma's, but never from a power so bittersweet as joy.

Or: I'm like Rihanna with a comeback where I mess with Adrien's feelings after Jubilation and then disappear again.

Words: 5429, Chapters: 1/1, Language: English

Fandoms: Miraculous Ladybug

Rating: Teen And Up Audiences

Warnings: No Archive Warnings Apply

Categories: F/M

Characters: Adrien Agreste | Chat Noir, Marinette Dupain-Cheng | Ladybug

Relationships: Adrien Agreste | Chat Noir/Marinette Dupain-Cheng | Ladybug

Additional Tags: Hurt/Comfort, Angst with a Happy Ending, Season 5 Spoilers, Communication, adrienette, (and a bit of ladynoir bc ofc), Jubilation spoilers, I Can't Believe I Wrote This, Adrien is an emo boy we should protect, Feelings, I'm Bad At Tagging, (so if you think I should add something let me know merci), Fluff

Read Here: https://archiveofourown.org/works/43120377

[lnc2]

I just saw the greatest comeback “you wanna kiss me so bad it makes you look stupid” and when I TELL you all I can think about is ladynoir enemies AU where ladybug throws this out at chat ashdhfjmf