#Kzinti

[foodcu-be]

the fav STA npcs

[swedebeast]

Sometimes you just find interesting old websites (or maybe even webzones) from the day. Like this one.

"Welcome to the STAR FLEET UNIVERSE, where thousands of people boldly explore new worlds and new situations every day.

As is readily apparent, the STAR FLEET UNIVERSE is based on The Original Series of Star Trek, and is produced under contracts with Paramount and with Franz Joseph Designs. While not necessarily "canon trek", the STAR FLEET UNIVERSE is a rich and vast playground, and is more consistent than the literary equivalents. It has to be, since the STAR FLEET UNIVERSE is home to a number of game systems, and gamers tend to get upset if we change the rules, history, background, and technology every time a fiction writer needs a new plot device. We do, by the way, publish a lot of fiction in our CAPTAIN'S LOG series, some of which is regarded as among the best published for this genre."

It is something of a forgotten part of the lore that the Kzin are quote unquote "canon" to the Star Trek universe. As well as the Lyrans which body fucking talks about these days.

And you know it is old school when it is Pre-TNG Klingons.

[stra-tek]

Kzinti and Star Trek

You don't see many Kzinti in Star Trek, and there's a very good reason for that: They're not actually Star Trek aliens, but a borrow from Larry Niven's Known Space series of books. And so Paramount don't actually own them. "The Slaver Weapon" episode of The Animated Series is an adaptation of Larry's "The Soft Weapon"

TAS' "Slaver Weapon" brought lots of Known Space lore into Trek. 4 Man-Kzin Wars were fought prior to the invention of faster-than-light travel, which really doesn't work in Trek where First Contact established, well, first contact and it was between humans and Vulcans after the first warp flight.

We also saw a Slaver, which have a rich backstory in Known Space where they're known as the Thrint and once ruled over the galaxy with their telepathy.

Some of Niven's backstory fits into Trek but other parts don't.

The Man-Kzin Wars don't. That being said, there have been attempts to bring Kzin back into Trek and several references to them. The Next Gen novel "The Captain's Honor" features the M'dok in the B-plot, a feline species who fought 2 wars with humanity one before the founding of the Federation and one after... sound vaguely familiar? They were originally the Kzin, and had name and details changed to avoid potential legal issues.

The Kzin exist in the Star Fleet Battles tabletop gaming universe (which is like a Trek splinter universe, licensed from TOS, TAS and the Star Fleet Technical Manual but nothing else), but they lack the distinctive bat ears.

Starfleet Command, the videogame adaptation of Star Fleet Battles swaps the Kzinti for the Mirak, again to avoid copyright issues.

But then came Star Trek Picard, where in season one Riker talks about an issue with the Kzinti (apparently permission was sought from Larry Niven and given for the mention) and then Lower Decks gave us Taylor, who is clearly Kzinti but likely will just never have anyone say it out loud just to be on the safe side

Oh, and the 1980 Star Trek Maps were cheeky and called them the K'zinti and hoped the apostrophe would make everything okay.

There have been attempts to bring the Kzinti back to Trek, like a planned Enterprise season 5 episode called "Kilkenny Cats" which was almost resurrected as a New Voyages fan film project. Here's the poster, where they'd replaced the Kzinti with the Kytharri (another Kzin-expy from the DS9 "Prophecy and Change" anthology

The "Kilkenny Cats" story read somewhat like a retread of DS9's "Armageddon Game". There were also attempts to get an animated Star Trek movie made called Lions of the Night, involving Sulu and the Enterprise-B dealing with a Kzinti invasion.

Oh oh, and read Ringworld. It's fantastic. And makes one wonder what the Kzin world is like in the Trek world... because they're unable to stop themselves launching violent wars on neighbours which they have no hope of winning, their world is essentially occupied by humans and that's very un-Trek (which of course makes it 10x more fascinating) indeed. How would Starfleet and the Federation deal with such a threat?

[doolallymagpie]

thinking about how there’s a Kzin on the Cerritos, and there’s undoubtedly holonovels about the early wars between humans and Kzinti (of varying quality and realism)

and that you could probably simulate hunting humans or other sentients on the holodeck…

and you could replicate human flesh…

[onion-souls]

Pretty interesting how the Kzinti are one of the few sci-fi species that show up in two settings, Star Trek and Larry Niven's Known Space. Niven just straight up adapted one of his stories to a Star Trek: the Animated Series episodes, and they're just awkwardly haunting Star Trek canon; though the legality of actually using them in anything is sketchy, so they often just use another feline-alien race as a Kzinti-stand in (especially the Lyrans and early attempts at the Tzenkethi. Not to be confused with any of the other feline aliens in that setting).

In fantasy, there's a stable of stock races people use, but I wonder if there will ever be the same thing with sci-fi. There are a handful- the pop-culture/UFOlogy Grey shows up, and the names of the Solar Systems planets get used, but that's not quite the same. The John Carter of Mars species get homaged often, but we're not quite to the point where they just turn up in things.

Except White Apes. White Apes just show up in places. They had a weird affinity for Neanderthals in early D&D for some reason.

As more and more things slip into the public domain, however, it might get interesting.

[chernobog13]

Science fiction maestro Larry Niven's Kzinti are introduced into the Star Trek universe in The Animated Series episode The Slaver Weapon.

The episode was written by Niven, and adapted one of his short stories, The Soft Weapon, reportedly at the suggestion of Gene Roddenberry.

[dogwithglasses]

The Kzinti! Thinking of that writer who spent years working on the 90s Trek shows pitching a Kzinti episode & had been told he might've gotten his chance in season five of Ent....

Yeah!!! When I learned that guy wanted to do a kzinti arc in enterprise if it had continued I got bummed bc I Want That

[wisteriaclaw]

artfight!!!! i was moving across the us and shit the entire time so i didnt do as much as i wanted. like i had so many star trek ocs in my bookmarks that i didnt draw. but oh well, im proud of how ive refined my style this year!

1: https://artfight.net/~yzzymandias

2: https://artfight.net/~ThatFoxDog

3: https://artfight.net/~Sylveon

4: https://artfight.net/~ShrimpMutt

5: https://artfight.net/~GarfeildEatsLarsaga

6: https://artfight.net/~wclfvee

7: https://artfight.net/~PipTrip

8: https://artfight.net/~lion-wheat

9: https://artfight.net/~starrmutt

[raurquiz]

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[old-type-40]

I'm enjoying SNW for the most part. But like others in the Trek fandom, I wish the show runners hadn't retconned the Gorn as the big threat. And it occurred to me the other night that the Kzinti might have made the perfect antagonists to match our current time. Let me explain.

Star Trek from the very beginning in the 60s has provided social and political commentary. And I believe the Kzinti would be ideal for continuing that with SNW. Kzinti are ruled by a male leader known as the Patriarch. And he would be a perfect stand in for the "strong man" rulers who have risen to power in the 21st century. These leaders brook no dissent, no questioning of their leadership. They impose their will on others in their government and the general population of their countries. And they often seek to impose their wills on those in other countries. They believe (or project the image) that they can do no wrong. The "strong man" leader promises his people "greatness" through the force of his will. (Sadly, too many people readily buy into this BS.) And in the end, these leaders usually make significant mistakes because there is a lack of diversity in viewpoints and honest discussion over the merits of policies and plans.

And that's why I see the Kzinti (under the leadership of the Patriarch) as the ideal antagonist to match our current 21st century time.

[alphamecha-mkii]

Kzinti Police Vessel by Jim Botaitis

[adafruit]

Screen test Star Trek: The Animated Series - Most Peculiar 🐱🖖

Wrapping up some tests, this was a request - The Animated series! Looks great with the cartoon frame rate sample video on the upcoming ESP32-S3 TFT Experimenter board.

[stra-tek]

An excerpt from I Survived Kirk, a forthcoming trashy tell-all fanfic biography of a bitter redshirt on the U.S.S. Enterprise during the events of TOS and TAS...

Ask the Kzinti how evolved and peaceful humanity are.  They’re the space cats the Federation declawed.  A warrior race, forced to live on what is essentially a Federation-occupied world.  After losing four wars with humanity, we basically quarantined them and forbade them from building ships with more than the most basic of weaponry.  It’s a shitty situation for sure, they’re right next door to our core worlds and seemingly are biologically unable to stop themselves from launching wars of aggression against their neighbours.  I know it’s racial profiling at it’s worst to make this comparison, but tell a cat not to try and catch a mouse and see how well that goes.  I shudder to think how the Klingon situation is going to end.  Can anyone else picture the Klingon homeworld in Federation territory and a populace forced to take anti-aggression drugs?

The Kzinti don’t get much attention these days.  They’re left out of history text books, because you can’t teach people that they’re in utopia when that utopia is built on the oppression of another species.  I don’t know what other alternatives are available besides what we did.  But I’m deeply bothered by that history being glossed over.  Federation President Ken Wescott is allowing this to happen.  There are probably people out there now who don’t know the first thing about the four Man/Kzin wars, because they’d rather teach that humans were destined for greatness among the stars and that as soon as we met the Vulcans everything was a constant state of orgasmic bliss.

[doolallymagpie]

Section 31, traveling back in time to try to find a useful "eternal enemy" for the Federation, engineered the Kzinretti into nonsentience specifically to make the Kzinti more abhorrent to most Federation member species

Naturally, this attempt at creating a species they could always provoke into attacking the Federation if people started to question the need for Section 31 eventually went very, very wrong for them

[stonedstarfleet]

Just gotta say, love this dude

[sptoastaddict]

There’s a page for the Kzinti on Federation Space presently

https://wiki.fed-space.com/index.php?title=Kzinti