#Just Taffer Thing

[tafferling]

Been driving since 4 AM. Sunrise was a nice reward.

[ferocity-flynt]

Fuck America but we need more collective festivals where everyone's outside together waiting for a show

[gremlinmodetweeker]

König vs Reality TV

So, König is not a reality TV fan. In general he doesn't like tv, he considers it lowclass hogwash and prefers reading books or watching horror movies, but he has his weaknesses.

He was immune to the Kardashians. The Housewives of New Jersey could kiss his ass? Honey Boo Boo? Honey Boo Who? Honey Boo Hoo Fuck You. He couldn't care for any of it. The next time Horangi tries to get him hooked on a K-Drama he's going to put the remote through the TV. Nobody could get through to him.

But then he met his match in the form of one British chef.

Yes, König is a sucker for Kitchen Nightmares. That was König's gateway drug for reality tv.

You were just playing it in the background while working when König stepped into the living room. He was gonna ask you something, but then he started watching the show. You eventually had to ask him what was wrong, but he completely tuned you out. Later, he subtly asked you about the show.

"What is this slop you're watching?"

"What? Kitchen Nightmares?" you smirk, "you really are watching it, aren't you?"

König doesn't tear his eyes away from the screen as he says, "I'm not watching it."

He stands there for ten minutes when you ask him what he came to you for. He admits he forgot. He refuses to admit that he's watching. You already know.

Late at night König looks up the show on his laptop and in an instant he's hooked. In one night, König becomes Gordon Ramsey's biggest fan (both literally and figuratively). He's obsessed. It's an entire show dedicated to food. He can't get enough of it. And, despite himself, the drama gets to him. He lives for the drama. Every now and then you'll hear König mutter something like 'My name's NINO' under his breath but you can't be sure.

The thing is that for all of König's media literacy, for all his skills at psychological warfare and his incredible understanding of psychology, König becomes a sucker for the show. He's the same brainless housewife as the next. Not that that's a bad thing! Everyone needs a show to turn their brain off to. It's fun to just chill and watch some brainless slop. But being brainless is a hit to his pride. It doesn't stop him from being completely hooked though. He's watching the show and every time they bring out a dish to Ramsey König looks at it and goes 'Oh wow that looks so good'. Then Gordon Ramsey says, 'it's overcooked, bland rubbish' and then König goes 'That looks so gross. How can anyone eat that slop? Couldn't be me'. It's incredible. It's like clockwork. Somehow, this show works its way through every one of König's defences and he becomes a complete and total sucker.

But Kitchen Nightmares is only the gateway. König learns about the entire world of the food network. He watches Masterchef seasons from multiple countries, he watches Bar Rescue with John Taffer, he eats up all the food tv out there.

Eventually, you come back to him cooking along to Martha Stewart and Snoop Dogg. On one hand, he looked like such a massive dweeb that it bordered on being an ick. On the other, his already phenomenal cooking has only been getting better and it's not slowing down any time soon.

Konig Dump

Headcanons

[purpledemonlilyposting]

Apparently @crimsonender critiquing and instantly improving Morch's uninspired chibi comics has put Lorch on the defensive.

Mikaila Orchard is at an early intermediate level when it comes to cartooning. Like something a teenager into anime would be drawing in high school art class. There's nothing wrong with learning how to draw later in life but seemingly Morch doesn't seek to improve. She seems to vaguely understand the surface level of style and construction but not how to actually implement these things. Morch desperately needs to go back to the fundamentals of drawing.

Morch on the left, Crim's improvement on the right.

Crim is a more advanced artist than her and I'm sure Crim wouldn't be insulted if I said I'm a yet even more advanced artist.

I bring this up because it sure is funny that Lily is complaining about basic art critiques...

When Lily is still going on about the one time she sent her racist friend @sneaky-taffer to try and "critique" my art who discovered I drew a hand backwards by accident in a single comic panel. Which is a mistake I used to make more often cause I'm an autist and sometimes have trouble with left and right.

...And then I... fixed it. Cause it was a legit mistake.

The rest of Taffer's "critiques" either were going after art that is over 5 years old or surrounded her not understanding stylization at all.

And then Taffer started sending messages from throwaways calling a friend of @britts-galaxy-brain's a "n-word lover" so you know there's that. She still hangs out in Lily's Discord by the way.

It's absolutely hysterical Lily thought sending her mediocre artist friend after me would hurt me when I routinely am critiqued by and critique other artists and none of us take it personally because we're all trying to help each other advance in our craft. But the second someone more experienced at art points out the ways your wife could improve hers? NO! It's perfect the way it is! They're just jealous!

IT'S HER STTTTYYYLLLLEEE-

Also the fact Lily is saying I wouldn't be reacting to her if I was good at art? Uh... I can do both. I do both every time I react to you in fact. People pay me to do art for them, Lily, I'm a professional. And then other people pay me to make fun of your dogshit opinions. 😂

[thetepes]

I’m so over soothsayer who I’m pretty sure is just a sock puppet of the stevencest shipper, they both say “lily and Sai should kiss” the same exact way and the banner is a background from Steven universe.

The reason why who ever fighting Sai as the villian of the week and gets so much flack from anyone with a brain is because like 6/8 times it was someone who was a peice of shit themselves and either tries to fight Sai to be a pick me critic or is virtue signaling so hard, you signal over actual predators to you. I got a few examples.

Pibble (who was more obsessed with Sai than Sai is “obsessed” with lily, we talking bringing up Sai every single message they could) started cozying up to a predator and then deleted the moment they got caught.

Ludo-nadir (I probably got that wrong sorry I’m going off of memory) or Elrond, whether they try to writing poise their way out of it or not, IS a Lily defender. They’re trying to defend their irl friend Taffer (the Taffer that is also an avid Lily defender and cozying up to Lily rn) that literally everyone and their mom agrees drew a racist caricature and continues to speak over POC about it.

Skeleton-bat’s a peice of shit who weaponizes minorities to shit on minorities and victims and also cozying up to a predator they know damn well is one. They’re abrasive as shit, especially when triggering a grooming victim, yet they’re given a pass I guess

Who Nug? Maybe, I dunno. I don't really care. Sai is pretty abrasive. I think it's some gold medal winning gymnastics to compare her to Lily to some flately goofy Batman/Joker degree, but if we're honest, this is all public stuff. The only thing I'd really ask them is to keep in mind that some people in there are mentally ill and it will cause them some degree of issue that they feel that're being watched and judged, but I don't think Sooth really cares and it's not their responsibility which I can't argue with.

I'm the one that caused public flare ups with Pibble and Elrond, not Sai though. That was me. I'll take the blame for those things.

This is the internet, it's forever and if you say it people will see it. It's a learning opportunity for those that got a little too comfortable. Myself included.

[theespeakerboxxx]

Hey listen, i think those rude anons trying to get you to hate Britt are part of Lily Orchard's cult/her friend taffer/ or possibly Lily herself, I just wanted to check on ya and see if your doing okay As, I KNOW they can get out of hand and can do extreme things, so I'm sorry ya dealing with them.

I hope you have an absolutely wonderful day/night, and If you're not, I hope that it gets better for ya. 🎂

oh is that was that was? all i got from that were people wasting my time without giving me receipts

though i do think you’re right, I’ve seen britt get those racist anon asks as well. first taffer calls her a nigger lover, and now she’s magically racist?

I’ve been seeing other accounts get these asks too. bum behavior LMAO

lily’s kittens have to try a lot harder if they want their queen, who doesn’t even like them, to notice them

but my day is pretty good actually, i had a nice workout at the gym and I’m having a girls night 😌 thank you!

[thevalicemultiverse]

A priest, a rabbi and a prostitute walk into a bar. They sit down, the bartender's cutting limes. He says, "hold on, I gotta go switch out the kegs."

He leaves and the priest starts talking, he says "I had a man come into my church tells me, 'Father, I no longer believe in God.' So, I explained to him about the fires of hell and eternal damnation and instills the fear of God back in the man."

The Rabbi says, "Oh you Catholics and your fear. I had a similar man come to me, said 'Rabbi, I no longer believe in God.' but the Torah teaches us to explore and question our faith. So, after some conversation and my wise counsel, he came to his own conclusion that he still believed in God."

And they both look at the prostitute and say, "What about you? How would you make a man believe in God?" and the Prostitute picks up the knife that the bartender was using. Says "Oh, I'd just introduce them."

And she stabs the rabbi's hand, pinning him to the bar. The Priest makes a run for the door, her tongue extends out of her mouth, wraps around his ankles and pulls him down to the floor. He digs his fingernails into the hardwoods, but it's of no use. She reels him back in and her jaw unhinges, and she begins to swallow him whole like some great python.

He screams as his feet and legs begin to dissolve in her stomach acids, by the time she gets the priest all the way down, the rabbi has freed himself. he's holding the knife. He says, "Young lady, I don't want to hurt you, but I will if it means saying my life."

She lunges towards him. He stabs her in her swollen belly. She looks down and she smiles, and she pulls the knife deep inside of herself. The knife wound opens up and wraps around the rabbi's hand and begins absorbing him. The arm first, then the head, and then the rest of the body.

And now that she's consumed both the priest and the rabbi, she is bloated and huge and she rolls over onto her back and her arm leg bones begin to crack like glow sticks and her ligaments and head suck inside of herself.

And the bartender comes back. And he sees this mound of pulsating flesh there at his bar. He walks over to it and sees the prostitute's belly button right there on top. It begins to split at the seams and peel open. And then out emerges the head of Jon Taffer. It was another episode of Bar Rescue.

"Oh, you had three customers here. You didn't take their orders. The limes should have been done before you opened. You're back their dingdonging around with the kegs. You should have been taking care of the customers that were at your bar. Not to mention you left a knife out that any psycho could grab and use. You're going to be held liable for that. Shut it down!"

Boy was he heated.

Londerland Bloodlines

Alice: ...I -- was that supposed to still be a joke, or...seriously, why did you go on like that? Why did I stay to hear the whole thing? And what's Bar Rescue -- other than a show rescuing bars, I suppose...

[thoughtfulqueenofruins]

And why PTSD ist an reason to act out

Now this depends on the person but i think that PTSD isn't not a reason to act like Deadpool!  You know that foul mouthed superhero!  That being said when I watch a YouTube true crime channel: example Bailey sarian! I see that a lot of losers who are childish will not accept their fate that the actions bestowed upon them and the say that it is because of post traumatic stress disorder or some other trauma!   PTSD is a disability that most people (most who are ignorant) will not see unless the know the signs which are flashbacks ( what I like to call milfs- memories I'd like to forget) to nightmares and shitty emotions!  That being said it is caused by something that is pretty damn terrible that threaten our physical safety and emotional integrity....ususally at the same time!  A great example of a cause of PTSD is the 9/11 attacks on the trade centre and the pentagon!  But it can be caused by anything that is objectionable to the sufferer!

That being said, you don't see the firefighter who suffer from the 9/11 attacks act like animals!  Why because they know what can happen we humans act like animals.  And you don't see them bitching, complaining and most of all acting like serial killers because of what goes on in their head!  That is a very rare thing for someone with PTSD to act like a complete brainless idiot who commits crimes!  Ususally people with PTSD are just trying to to live with this disability.....which it really is, a disability!    Not an excuse to act like a child who wants to commit crimes!    That being said people who commit crimes usually now what the hell the are doing .... And just use the mental health card as an excuse to get the heck of out jail!  Which isn't fair for people with actual PTSD who are good people!

Why people use the PTSD card to get out of trouble is beyond me me but it has something to do with the fact that they are not mature enough to escape the damage the caused other people and the consequences of the shitty behaviour!  One example would be  the Quentin Tarantino character who had traumatic experiences and acted a fool!  That being said....excuse!  I remember watching bar rescue and Jon taffer would said I embrace solutions not excuses! That being said  why do most people use excuses is because they don't want to work on something or deal with the ramifications of their behaviour!  So the get the easy life instead growing g up and dealing with the consequences......I would recommend dealing with the consequences instead of casting out and being a coward! 

That being said .....people with PTSD are not cowards as they wake up everyday and deal with what is given to them; some can handle better than others but it is still the fact that the face their actions and day ps with grace!     That is most people with traumatic memories!

The is only a few assholes who would have traumatic experiences who are dumb enough to do crimes and end up on Bailey sarian, or similar youtube channels.  And those ding bats are dark triad!

The Dark Triad refers to a trio of personality traits that are considered to be malevolent and harmful to others. These traits are:

1. Narcissism: Characterized by grandiosity, a need for admiration, and a lack of empathy towards others.

2. Machiavellianism: Marked by manipulation, cunning, and a willingness to do whatever it takes to achieve one's goals, even if it means harming others.

3. Psychopathy: Defined by a lack of empathy, impulsivity, and a tendency to engage in antisocial behavior.

People with Dark Triad traits often prioritize their own interests and desires over the well-being of others, and may engage in exploitative or harmful behavior to achieve their goals.

Here are some common characteristics associated with each trait:

Narcissism:

- Grandiose sense of self-importance

- Need for admiration and attention

- Lack of empathy towards others

- Sense of entitlement

- Arrogant and haughty behavior

Machiavellianism:

- Manipulative and cunning behavior

- Willingness to do whatever it takes to achieve goals

- Lack of empathy or concern for others

- Prone to lying and deception

- Focus on achieving power and control

Psychopathy:

- Lack of empathy or remorse

- Impulsivity and recklessness

- Superficial charm and charisma

- Prone to antisocial behavior

- Lack of guilt or shame

It's worth noting that everyone may exhibit some of these traits at times, but individuals with Dark Triad personalities tend to exhibit these traits consistently and in a way that interferes with their relationships and daily life.

And the light triad which is most people with or with out PTSD is this

The Light Triad refers to a trio of personality traits that are considered to be benevolent and prosocial. These traits are:

1. Kantianism: Characterized by a sense of moral principle, a commitment to doing what is right, and a willingness to prioritize the greater good.

2. Humanism: Marked by a focus on the value and agency of human beings, a belief in the potential for human growth and development, and a commitment to social justice.

3. Faith in Humanity: Defined by a belief in the inherent goodness of people, a sense of trust and optimism about human nature, and a willingness to cooperate and collaborate with others.

People with Light Triad traits tend to prioritize the well-being of others, act with empathy and compassion, and work towards creating positive social change.

Here are some common characteristics associated with each trait:

Kantianism:

- Strong sense of moral principle

- Commitment to doing what is right

- Prioritizes the greater good

- Respects the autonomy and dignity of others

- Acts with integrity and honesty

Humanism:

- Focus on human growth and development

- Believes in the potential for positive change

- Commits to social justice and equality

- Values human agency and autonomy

- Empathetic and compassionate

Faith in Humanity:

- Believes in the inherent goodness of people

- Trusts and has optimism about human nature

- Willing to cooperate and collaborate

- Sees the potential for positive social change

- Encourages and supports others

These traits are considered to be the opposite of the Dark Triad, and individuals who exhibit Light Triad traits tend to have healthier relationships, greater emotional intelligence, and a more positive impact on those around them. I think that we are mostly light triad and not dark, all though there are a few twitter# who are dark triad! Those you want to watch for….the dark triad as the usually cause PTSD!

[pride-club-wchs]

Meet the Earthly Queer Graphic Novel Creators

(the name is pending) (there may also be added creators, so watch out for their snippets)

Baba: Heeeyyy, I'm the V.P. of Pride Club. My pronouns are she/her but you can call me whatever you want :) I like Pokemon, animations, and making OCs.

Prez. Rah: I am President of Pride Club, and my interests are art, animations, and graphic novels. Ender is my character, they represent agender experiences through an artistic and individualistic take. Ender's pronouns are any pronouns (similar to mine), although since their species is unknown they will be referred to as they/them. Ender is observant and reflective. They will hopefully be seen reflecting on their experiences more than anything.

Tiny: Hi! My character is Ezra, their pronouns are they/them and they are also non-binary. Ezra likes to play basketball, likes comics, and likes math. They dislike being poked, dislike loud noises, and dislike most people.

Jay: Hiii! I'm a club leader. My character's name is Melany. She is meant to represent agender and queer people and their struggles.

Ray H: I'm a club leader and my character's name is Va'rean. I use any pronouns and do not identify with any gender. I am a pansexual, and my character is meant to represent my inner self and struggles. My character loves to solve things, similar to me.

Taffer: All-knowing, all-powerful.

"I'm just a bird!"- Taffer, 2024

[tafferling]

One-pot bolognese by Taff

I have been kind of... away from social media for a while, so have a recipe in my absence.

What you need:

A single tall pan (so, a pan that is deep, goes up!) with a lid. Either wide enough to fit whole spaget, or you gotta CRACK

One (1) onion

250 gr of ground beef (can substitute with beef/pork mix or maybe even turkey or chicken I am sure). Except today Taff went nuts and added 500gr cause she loves her meat mmm mmhmm. nom.

Two (2) garlic toes. Or as Taff says: INFINITE. They are meant to be pressed, but I usually just chop them, I like the chunks.

125 gr of spaghetti. Mine are supposedly done after 9 minutes, so that may be important.

One (1) cube of beef stock. They are like these dried stock cubes, come in 11gr per cube here.

A packet (400 gr) of tomato sauce of your choice. Preferably a taste you really like, since this is a quick cook so a lot of the flavour ocmes for it. Taff, as she realised her tomato sauce is just tomato with MORE garlic: *mwahaha*

Recipe says: Ketchup, one dinner spoon full. Taff says: Concentrated tomato puree. A LARGE SQUIRT

Recipe says: Chili flakes, half a tea spoon. Taff says: Cayenne pepper, OH MY GOD NOT THAT MUCH, TAFF (half a tea-spoon is enough, don't be me)

3 and a half DL of water (that's deciliter, not Dying Light - so 350 ml)

How you do it:

Chop up the onions (don't cry don't cry don't cry, oh no, I'm crying) and press or chop the garlic

Put on pan, add some oil (I use olive oil) and fry the onions for like two minutes until softish (don't cry, don't cry, don't- oh god we are doing it again)

Add garlic and meat, fry for another 3 minutes until meat has some colour

Add the water and the tomato sauce, plus the beef stock and the chili flakes cayenne pepper. Squirt in ketchup tomato puree.

Stir

Throw in the spagets

Stir

Put on lid and let cook for 12 minutes (that is more than the 9 the spagets usually need)

STIR sometimes so the spagets don't get burnt at the bottom

Eat (put some Parmesan over if you have it)

[ryan-sometimes]

Another show where this is true is Kitchen Nightmares. Jon Taffer and Gordon Ramsey will yell at blatant health and safety violations, exploitation of workers, and toxic work environments. And due to the nature of the shows themselves, the establishments are usually in a dire situation, so the hosts just have a constant reel of things to yell about

Bar Rescue is crazy, because not only is the host Jon Taffer constantly losing it and yelling at people, but he is always completely justified in his anger

[ferocity-flynt]

So.

Workplace is furloughing employees, starting with cutting off part-time in-training folks with final disciplinary issues and voluntary 3 month furloughs.

Meal delivery service is running out of supply chain.

Grocery stores are on capacity limits.

Grandma had a stroke(?) and is almost assuredly going to require nursing home care from here on out and my Grandpa can't even walk so what's he going to do now

And I'm still doing the job of 3 people at work..... Full time. Except they're forcing us to use 3 days vacation and take a long weekend ??? And our customers are still demanding exceptional performance????????

[purpledemonlilyposting]

IT'S LORCHING TIME

[Lily's Post]

Here we see the Lorch pulling the same line @sneaky-taffer did: Stockholm was definitely written for sexual gratification, is definitely full of incest and CP, but everyone ELSE is gross for calling Lily out on its content and we're just gonna omit from our minds Lily wrote it.

Now why would it be bad for minors to see it Lily? This thing we all know you wrote. That contains passages like this:

[thetepes]

Who’s Taffer now?

You know, I wrote a whole thing out explaining the lore of this loser, but they don't even deserve that. They aren't that important.

Taffer's just some tracing hack that's in Lily's camp. They had a go at Sai and were super hypocritical about their arguments. Really all they did was get shitty to a youtuber by red lining their art and lying about what Lily did and didn't do.

That type of thing, just baseline Lily fan behavior.

[tafferling]

I------

---I mean. Yeah. Alright. Okay. It's true. Except he doesn't need to be like, built built. I prefer arms that still fit into shirts. The rest is spot on though.

:3

:3

:3

one of those "i judge your taste in men" quizzes except it's text-based and i actually like men so this one's not mean <3

[hollisticallyoptimistic]

( Justin Min. 28. Cis male. He/him )  the story of ARTHURIAN LEGEND now lives in the soul of MILES EMRYS, aged TWENTY-EIGHT years. they’re a NEWCOMER, having been in woodvale for THREE YEARS in the SOUTH as a  HISTORY TEACHER AT WOODVALE SECONDARY SCHOOL. and yeah, they definitely have the vibes of MERLIN with the powers of SELONOMANCY, don’t you think?  

@folkloremsintro​​

Basic Information

Full Name: Miles Emrys

Age:     twenty-eight

Date of Birth: April 13th

Orientation: bisexual

Physical Appearance

Face Claim: Justin H. Min

Hair Colour: black

Eye Colour: brown

Height:     5’11”

Clothing Style: Light colored button ups, tapered pants, loose fitting shirts, canvas shoes or lace up boots, teacher styles

Health

Allergies:     Miles has the typical seasonal allergies everyone has, for such a spring time person, he can be very sneezy

Sleeping Habits: Miles is a morning person, he doesn’t stay up too late,     but regardless he is up around 6 every morning to get ready to teach

Exercise Habits: Miles is a cardio guy, he tries to run once to three times     a week

Sociability: he’s a bit of an ambivert

Body Temperature: Miles prefers the cold

Alcohol Use: he’s a social drinker

Personality

Label: the observer

Positive Traits: communicative, energetic, straightforward, versitile

Negative Traits: compulsive, finicky, impatient

Inspiration: Merlin (tv series), Bo Burnham, Ben and Diego Hargreeves, Peter Maximoff, Terry McGinnis

Favourites

Weather:     start of spring weather, but still a little cool out

Colour:     dusty green, light orange

Music:     indie pop, soft rock

Movies: he loves Wes Anderson movies

Beverage:     go to bar order is an Old Fashioned, but is definitely a tea person

Food:     he is genuinely obsessed with grilled cheeses

Animal:     Miles is a cat person

Extra

Zodiac Sign: Aries

Hogwarts House: Ravenclaw

Moral Alignment: chaotic good

Primary Vice: when we starts something he will be doing that task until     it is done, no matter where or what time it is

Primary Virtue: he’s loyal

Element: the moon

Selenomancy: the ability to gain insight into a question or situation using the moon and lunar energies as a conduit.

              Miles has always been a night person, he’s made some of his best ideas and best projects in the wee hours of the night. He’s only just started to develop his skill set, and he hasn’t figured out where said insight comes from, because any good analyst will assert that correlation does not always mean causation. He wants to get it, he really does, but in all reality he simply isn’t ready to come into himself.

Musings

Miles moved simply because it was time he started to be a little more self reliant, he loves his mother and he wanted more than to simply be the man that she wanted him to be, he wanted to be the man he wanted to be. He wanted to show her the person he’s capable of becoming, but it’s starting to settle in that she may never see that.

His mother is essentially a single mom, his dad making sparse appearances in his life, he feels very guilty about leaving. Not because of his reasons, but because the conculsion he is slowly reaching is that she simply can’t hear him.

Miles has a lot of energy, and he needs to be around almost a commotion in order to complete sit down tasks, it gives him something to tune out while working.

Miles could totally be a bartender, or at least he thinks he could, direct quote: “I’m fun, charismatic, and okay with a recipe. Jon Taffer would love me.” Jon Taffer would not be impressed with him.

Miles is a Survivor fanatic, his favorite season is Tocahtins, and he thinks he would be decent at the strategy, okayish in challenges, but awful at the camp part.

Wanted Connections

Since Miles hasn’t been around Woodvale too long, he doesn’t nescessarily have a lot of in depth relationships spanning more than two years, a few thing I think would be fun to explore:

Best Friends: These are by no means people Miles has known for a long time, however these are the people he’s consisently developed close relationships with since moving. He’s very comfortable with these people, and runs things by them, think kindered spirits energy

Flirtationship: this is some playful flirtation that will probably go absolutely nowhere, there aren’t really feelings there, and in many ways the flirting is more of an inside joke than an actual attempt at dating eachother. 

Ex-lover: this is someone that Miles dated out of the nature of his insecure attatchment style; could’ve ended mutually, could’ve ended badly.

Love Interest: This is person that could have an actual, legitament relationship with. The dynamic is pretty open to interpretation.

Roommates: Think New Girl loft energy, Miles is very aware that he is getting a bit old to have roommates, however, he is also very aware of the fact that he is a highschool teacher, so it’s not improbable for him to have a roommate. [taken: Elinor, could possibly have another, talk to us both!]

Running Partner: Miles likes to be outside and existing in nature, I’d love for him to have someone who also enjoys these things.[taken - Fiona]