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ANYWAYS finished game of thrones and I’m lowkey proud of myself for actually managing to stay committed for 8 seasons that’s usually very hard for me bc I get bored easily and loose interest um well somehow best and worst show I’ve ever watched in my life at the same time truly incredible how they managed that godbless also why is having a “good story” a qualification for being the king yk what who cares it’s done it’s over I’m done thinking about it and how mad I am that Tyrion was an entirely different character from s5-8 than he was in s1-4 especially considering how he was the best character in the early seasons and how they ruined Jamie’s whole entire arc for no reason liek yk what okay suree ☺️🫶 peace and loveeeee
#the finale itself wasn’t too too bad tbh but the events leading up to it definitely were#the whole season was a fucking mess#Jon and Daenerys having a romance was really stupid they had no chemistry and it didn’t feel right for either character#Jon was kinda useless this whole season#and why did Tyrion just become a fucking dumbass after proving himself to be quite intelligent in the earlier seasons#and Jamie…. oh Jamie they fucked him up so bad#also bran. really. bran. why.#.___.
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propaganda below
jack
17 years old and FUCKING STUCK
bestie got beat up so he hid from his bf and gf in his moms theater
Bisexual Disaster ™️
got paid off by his gfs dad
entire personality is based off a far-away city he wants to run away to (tbh santa fe is kinda boring)
jon
got a job at the Spooky Stories Institute and spent an entire season denying the spooky stories
has never been properly taken care of and think his coworkers are trying to kill him when they bring him tea and tell him to go sleep
suspicious of everyone except the only monster im the archives
IS AN ARCHIVIST
literally described as not having ANY rizz
started an apocalypse at his kitchen table
only blows up the people who wronged him personally
spends several seasons having an existential crisis abt wether or not hes still human (he isnt)
spends an entire season repeatedly getting kidnapped by avatars
gets kidnapped by a clown who spends several hours giving him facial treatments in preparation to steal his skin and identity
caspar
does Nothing
his misery is the most consistent thing in the multiverse
“its like hes an artist, and his canvas IS misery” -Gloria, episode 19
fumbled the bag so hard w his ex wife that she made the most powerful android EVER just to confront him abt leaving her
has a wild west persona
made friends with a prosthetic arm
gets described by LITERALLY EVERYONE as “some guy named caspar”
gets captured and spends the whole interrogation pissing off his captor
self described as the most useless person on staff
used to work at the dmv
173 yrs old, didn’t know until season 2
NOT named after the ghost
his mothers’ relationship coach
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you. do you know what tma is? can you tell me everythingyou know about it?
yes yes i do!!!!!
here’s a spoiler freeee summary
pretty much messed up job place exists right.
it’s a research institution dedicated to the paranormal that isn’t really taken seriously academically but hey it pays you right
so the entire place is kinda weird there’s artifact storage the library the research ppl which work on active statements
statements are things taken from people who claim to have had paranormal experiences
and then there is the archives. where any statement that has been declared unable to be continued researching by research goes
it used to be run by a woman named gertrude robinson and she kept it in a state of disarray but she doesn’t work there anymore
the new head archivist gets promoted- his name is jonathan sims and he’s a skeptic
who is good at breaking and enterjng
he has three archival assistants
sasha “hack the cctv” james
tim “flirt the info out of them” stoker
and martin “kinda useless” blackwood
the first season explores the horror of sorting through infield statements (not the horror part but it is to me <3)
and there are a few that will distort terribly if you try and keep a digital record of them
that’s where it starts to get weird
jon has to convert them to audio files on old tap recorders and each episode is him reading those difficult statements in his office and life and work will happen in and around it
if you want a spoiler filled summary of the whole thing i can do that but this is just the gist of the setup
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I usually don't bother engaging with Dany 's antis. They have such a distorted view of everything that happened in the show and/or the books that it's useless.
But today is not one of those days. So here we go. I suggest that Dany antis and Stansas don't read it.
Indian WoC here, looks like you were talking about us. So I invited myself in. Seems fair to me.
First of all, what makes you think we/I don't know? Don't imply that I am stupid or oblivious enough to not see and understand what's in front of my own eyes. Please take your patronizing shit elsewhere.
I don't need your white ass to tell what's what. Thank you but I have already had enough of listening to white people. The centuries of colonisation was enough.
Yeah, Mirri was a slave and a child murderer. These things are not mutually exclusive. Why is this nuance so hard to grasp?
I am tired of antis painting this complex situation in black and white. Martin didn't waste writing pages to this point for antis to strip it of all its nuance.
Mirri was raped and brutalized by the Dothraki. Mirri lost her people and freedom because of the Dothraki. Yet, Mirri killed an innocent unborn child for the crime he didn't do. Mirri murdered an innocent child. It was still wrong.
Two wrongs don't make it right.
What did Rhaego ever did to her? Nothing. What wrong did Daenerys ever did to her? Nothing. Daenerys and Rhaego didn't deserve to suffer for Drogo 's crimes.
And if, being a slave means that Mirri get a pass for doing morally wrong things and harm innocents for her revenge then why didn't Daenerys get the same? Have y'all forgotten that she was sold as a glorified sex slave to Drogo? Pretty convenient for the antis, isn't it?
Yeah, that mhysa scene was racist. Guess who was responsible for it? The old white showrunners D&D, not Dany. Not the fucking character. Grrm didn't wrote a racially segregated slavery in asoiaf, can you already stop with this bs. Lay the blame where it belongs and hold accountable the people who fucked up rather than the character who had nothing to do with it.
I gotta laugh about this one. The irony😂 Projection much? Yeah, it's really hypocritical the standards antis only hold Dany upto in order to bash her.
'Just girl power' eh? Looks like there is someone who's stupid enough not to understand what's in front of them.
Newsflash, I do stan Arya. A lot of Dany stans stan Arya. Dany stans are capable of staning more than one character, thank you very much.
Oh, saying that a female character is only popular because of the looks of the actress, how very sexist of you.
(I wonder why is Sansa so popular then. I never found Turner to be beautiful.)
Villain? Psst, Dany was never the villain. Don't lie to yourself like that.
(The show did tried to make her one by highly contrived and OOC crap but it made no sense. This is not even worth arguing at this point.)
That's not how sexism works, at all.
Another newsflash, people knew and people have been complaining. Just because you didn't, doesn't mean no one else did. GoT 's racism, hypocrisy and sexism was always apparent. Ever since the first season.
So it's a competition then? And who made you the judge? It's not like pitting woman again woman is what patriarchy had been doing for generations.
As much as love Arya, Dany survived being on run too, for far more longer time too. Btw saving the world was a group effort. It's kinda the theme of asoiaf with the whole War of Dawn to save humanity. Arya didn't win the war by herself in the show bcoz I remember other people fighting there. It wasn't a one man/woman job.
Yeah and Jon, the Wilding army, the Vale Army and Littlefinger came there to just watch the show. I wonder why Sansa even manipulated Jon to fight in the battle in the first place.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
What people again? Can you show me their faces and names? I remember the ones who crowned Robb and Jon only. Don't kid yourself. Sansa became Queen by asking her little King brother. Girl power, indeed.
Agree with Brianne. One of the few true knights in the whole show.
Solid advice is arguable. Catelyn wasn't a perfect mother either.
Really, Cersei of all the people. She's a raging narcissist who loves only herself. Her treatment of women in the books is despicable. She hates being a woman. Even in the show, she had no positive relationships with other women, except perhaps Mycrella which is mostly off screen. Do you forgot how she treated both Sansa and Margeary?
I can't believe people have Cersei as some kind of girl boss. *shudders*
Psst, as if taking that throne is the ultimate achievement. People like Cersei, Robert, Meagor, etc sat on it. Funny how it's value changes with what is convenient to the antis.
and why didn’t Dany btw? Yeah, right, she was murdered by her lover. Literally backstabbed.
For someone who cared so much about girl power, this is easily acceptable for you.
This will be all. I have had enough bs for one day.
#daenerys targaryen#team daenerys#pro daenerys#daenerys defense squad#anti sansa stark#anti sansa stans#anti show sansa#anti stansas#long post#.#today i woke up and chose violence#Ash rambles#anti Dany bs#anti dany antis
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Why the recent chapters of Attack on Titan are still good
This is probably an unpopular opinion but I just need to rant because I saw a tumblr answer here where someone actually compared the current Attack on Titan Chapters to GAME OF THRONES SEASON 8? REALLY.
As a victim of Game of Thrones season 8, I am so offended for Attack on Titan and for Isayama who is still doing a good job on delivering the story.
And a lot of my timeline really is a bubble of complaints with every new chapter released. They’re shitting on everyone dying and they’re shitting on the whole Eren killing everyone thing and so many female characters sidelined unfairly and Armin being tongued.
The Game of Thrones ending was an insult to its fans. It was lazy writing. Yams latest chapters were far GOT lazy and not a lot of what he is building up to here in the final chapters is unfounded or as illogical as Tyrion Lannister deciding that hiding people in a crypt is a good idea or Daenyrys deciding to burn down King’s Landing or Jamie Lannister going back to Circe and getting killed by rocks.
To be honest, the only thing I still have issues with is Hange dying in such a fashion (which hasn’t even been completely confirmed yet because the Beast Titan thing can still happen.)
But anyway, I’m gonna go through the complaints I see everyone on my timeline make every time a new chapter comes out and why they were pretty logical developments to the story as painful as they were.
Eren being Crazy and Everyone dying in the Rumbling
I just recently finished a rewatch of Season 3 Attack on Titan and the rumbling has been set up since then. There was one quote where “If the walls are disturbed, Karl Fritz threatens to release the titans inside the walls and flatten the world” and this was mentioned so early into the show as Season 3. And what happened at the start of the show? Colossal titan smashes walls, Eren’s mother dies, Eren goes crazy, 9 years later he starts the rumbling. Very Logical. Not at all unfounded. In fact, hinting at the rumbling so early into the story is pretty genius story writing. Making Eren responsible for the rumbling, masterful writing and masterful progression too.
Armin being Tongued
I brought this up in a previous post already but tongueing Armin like that when they wanted to kidnap him was the most logical choice. You know what’s lazy writing? Or a plothole? Not tongueing Armin because that brings up the question of “Why didn’t Armin just bite his tongue to turn into the colossal titan?”
Levi being Useless and Injured
Okay, We understand Levi was supposed to be built up to some big character. But Yo, he survived an explosion less than a week ago. Of course he wouldn’t be able to fight. And of course he’d start coughing blood and almost dying in the middle of the battle. Wouldn’t it be more of a plothole if Levi just started going beyblade against them? Maybe it’s an unpopular opinion but the fact that Yams still put a spotlight on the gravity of Levi’s injury felt far better for me than if Yams just set it aside and made Levi fight like normal. Because Levi shouldn’t be fighting like normal? Especially after being bed ridden the past 7 chapters.
“I feel like he’s just being dragged around.” The manga isn’t over, Yams will let something play out. I have no idea what it is but Yams has plans for Levi and I’m pretty sure the plans will still be better than what happened to Jon Snow.
Hange being dead
I’m probably just being a Beast Titan Theory Simp now but... The manga isn’t over, Yams will let something play out. If Hange’s death isn’t further explained, this will definitely be a flaw in my book.
Hisu being Pregnant
As painful as this was, it had been set up since before. Eren mentioned it multiple times that he did not want to tell anyone about the royal blood because he knew they were going to turn Historia into a baby mill which was exactly what happened. Eren Kruger said the same thing when they turned Dina Fritz into a titan. The “unfair tratment” of Historia’s character is just the mastery of a Chekhov’s gun being shot and a beloved character being the victim.
Falco and Gabi being Overpowered?
Mikasa and Eren were pretty overpowered too in the first season as kids. This is probably an Anime only flaw but Eren should not have been able to beat Annie or Reiner with the limited training he had yet we still accept that as fact because yo why not.
And Falco and Gabi swooping in to take over a lot for them is setting up to be a bigger thing. Yams will not introduce kids as important characters if he did not have plans for them. Falco being the first flying titan has been set up since chapter 90 and really, what would be the point of it if he didn’t save their ass at least once right.
The Final Battle is Being Dragged on for Too Long
So, I’m assuming you want a Game of Thrones-esque final battle where Gabi just swoops in and stabs him in the back and he dissipates into pieces like the NIght King which only lasts two episodes? And they decide to go back for the rest of the chapters and play Quidditch? The pacing is not at all bad. So far, I don’t see Isayama doing some asspull with what’s been happening. The ending will not be the happiest but we kinda should have expected that when the story started with a massacre in Shiganshina.
Why are people so surprised and offended that Yams is hurting their favorite characters? Why is what happens to our favorite characters the measure of whether or not something is trash. While I’m at it, why is how Isayama treats his characters a measure of whether or not Isayama is “messed up” or “trash” too? (Like seriously, can we put personal insults at the author out of this?)
The writing is flawed but it’s far from a mess. It’s still very tight. The progression is still very logical. They literally introduced the show to us with a massacre in Shiganshina district and people have been dying left and right since the show started. Why are people so bothered about the blood and the gore in the finale and where their favorite characters are. Fine, we’re all attached. I’m bothered too. But why is what’s happening to the characters, a measure of whether a chapter is good or not? In fact, shouldn’t the final battle be that gory anyway? It would have just been a crazy disappointment if they tuned it down right?
It’s painful to watch our characters go through this but to be honest, at this rate, I honestly admire Isayama for having the courage to kill off and destroy characters like this left and right. In fact, the fact that Isayama is so willing to do these to his characters knowing they are fan favorites is a true testament to someone who writes for themselves more than anything and are completely faithful to their story. This is something which should actually be admired.
The characters were not at all Game of Thrones levels of butchered. The characters developed like expected and they were set up in very ingenious ways. They all just became a victim to the circumstances laid out before them which have been set up a hundred chapters ago already.
So are the people who are complaining angry about the circumstances? But the current circumstances don’t necessarily mean the chapters and the quality of the story are trash right?
So are they latest chapters trash? No they’re not. IN FACT THEY ARE SO FAR FROM GAME OF THRONES ENDING LEVEL TRASH.
Are their circumstances trash? Yes. Their circumstances are trash.
Is Isayama being lazy? To a degree.
But mind you, it has not been confirmed yet how many more chapters there will be. Isayama admitted that he hadn’t even completely storyboarded the ending. The director of the anime and the editor still have no idea when Yams plans on ending it.
I have my own qualms and complaints about the ending too and where this is going but so far, I’m seeing a net positive quality wise. A lot of the complaints IMO are unfounded.
The claim that AOT is reaching GOT levels of trash? Unfounded IMO
The claims that Isayama is fucked up, messed up an asshole over how he chooses to end his story. Completely unfounded. Why the hell are we attacking the creator over what and how he chooses to end his story?
I know a lot of people probably won’t agree with me on this but genuinely I have been enjoying the latest chapters even with my favorite characters getting hurt left and right. The quality of the story is still good, Isayama still manages to tie up a lot of the loose ends. He still manages to keep a lot of his characters in character.
Like all of you though, I’m praying the ending won’t disappoint.
#attack on titan#snk spoilers 135#snk 132#snk 134#snk 135#levi ackerman#historia reiss#hange zoe#snk spoilers#game of thrones#armin arlert#mikasa ackerman#eren jaeger#shingeki no kyojin
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now that I’ve had time to process what happened, I’m not as emotional about the ending as I am just fucking furious at the insult.
you spend years - I still had goddamn braces, put hearts over my i’s and was at my peak gothic phase when this bullshit first started so fucking years - building an inherently thoughtful narrative that was just so rich and complex and emotional with a fascinating range of strong characters, all leading towards an epic conclusion of the end of the world, of the ultimate fight for survival that explored such intricate concepts as life, death, justice blah dee fucking blah.
you spend so much time making me give a shit about these characters, of showing me how painfully human they are, their tragedies, their journeys, their redemptions, their rise and fall and every bullshit in-between.
for it all to the thrown away in single-handedly the most expensive piece of shit I’ve ever seen. the producers pretty much took a massive dump while jerking each other off, sprinkled it with benjamin franklins, threw in some gratuitous dragon cgi, and called it a day.
nothing matters. that’s the lesson. the ones that won are the ones that did fucking nothing to deserve it, and the ones who lost are the ones who sacrificed everything for the ungrateful gremlins we’re apparently supposed to be rooting for.
and everything else? yeah, fuck you and your redemption arc, jaime. oh hey rhaegar, guess what, you asshole? your kids mean diddly squat. no, really, the whole prophecy and prince who was promised garbage was all shits and giggles. the wood witch was high on crack and azor ahai is an anagram for “kiss my ass, you dumbfucks.”
arya didn’t need to learn how to change faces. she could have literally spent years learning how to knife flip and stabbing a block of ice, and nothing would need to change from this last season. nymeria? wolf pack? lmao who gives a fuck, certainly not the writers. then she peaces the fuck out after spending five hot minutes with her fucked up family, probably to find some good plot because fuck knows you can’t find it in this wankfest.
bran’s warging abilities and his grand mystical journey were all about him eyefucking whatever poor soul walked by or cosplaying as a bird and flapping about fucking uselessly until he could roll up dramatically in the end like “hey fam I’m here to be king lmao, look I brought starbucks.”
jon didn’t actually come back to serve some great purpose. the truth is, he fucking bored everyone in the afterlife with his impressions of a miserable puppy so the lord of light told mel to get him the fuck out because he was ruining game night.
and sansa? oh well our darling sansa did nothing for two seasons but sow discord in her own family and endanger a valuable alliance that was made to save her useless sack of shit of a home. if we’re supposed to see dany executing slavers as villainous, why in the fuckity fuck should I be rooting for a girl whose greatest asset USED to be courtesy and being kind and missing her family, but who’s now some knock-off cersei/littlefinger lovechild whose throne is built on the ashes of the bridges she burned to get there. she’s left all alone in some cold ass, broke ass, racist ass kingdom with no one she loves and no one who loves her because they’ve all peaced out, and that’s supposed to be a happy ending. power cravings are a hell of a drug. but hey, we got our yaaaasssss queeeeeeen moment and that’s enough for a certain portion of her fandom so good for her.
and dany? dany spends years fighting for the people and for freedom and justice and to break away from the toxicity of her family’s tarnished legacy to reestablish the vision of what house targaryen should always have been. but fuck that bullshit, bells are her kryptonite, and she’s the big bad evil for using harsh methods to rid the world of assholes. the audacity. dany should have done what tyrion and jon do to their enemies which is give them a hug and ask them pretty please with sugar on top not to be evil because westeros is a pacifist continent and no one has ever used violence ever. fuck me.
the dothraki just kinda forgot they’re supposed to follow a khal but it was really very sweet of them and the unsullied to care so much about westerosi customs as to wait for the punishment of the man who murdered their queen to be processed in an orderly and lawful fashion. how quaint.
and then they kindly fucked off before seeing the sentence through because they’re so stupidly trusting of a bunch of dickwad lords who wanted their queen dead. mmkay. also let’s just ignore the fact that either sansa or bran could issue jon a pardon the way robert issued jaime a pardon but clearly neither of them gave enough of a fuck for their brother to give him the choice for where he’d like to spend the rest of his life. also his name and blood makes him a threat to both their thrones so condemning him to the wall strips him of any right, whether he likes it or not....so bye forever jon try not to die again xxxx
the pack survives? nah, the pack used each other as a means of reaching their goals then cast each other side the moment they had what they wanted.
ned stark’s legacy, my fucking ass.
but all that aside, you know what the most insulting part of all this is?
in their pursuit to break clichés and give us some bullshit moral lesson about leadership, they contradict themselves to an idiotic degree where even the biggest dumbass could see through it.
the whole argument that was literally shoved into our face for episodes and used against dany was that the “one who doesn’t want to be king, would be a good king.” ignoring the fact that ambition is an incredibly important factor in any good leader, this lesson serves to insult d&d’s favourite character.
enter: sansa stark, character dreaming of the throne for an entire eight seasons. are d&d implying she won’t be a good queen because everything she’s done is because she wants to be queen? or were they too busy jerking themselves off to sansa to see the picture they were painting of her reign?
the next argument the show failed to realise they fucked up: the lannisters, the tyrells, petyr baelish - all were punished for adopting a ruthless machiavellian sociopathic mindset to win the game of thrones, betraying everyone around them and sacrificing family and allies along the way.
enter: house stark. sansa betrays jon’s trust (and is rightfully not given forgiveness for it because fuck that). bran apparently knew that king’s landing would burn and that his brother and sister would suffer for it but lmao he’s about to be king so who gives a fuck. arya does not see or feel the need to stand by her family to see them through this fragile transition of power because she wants to go exploring. no one in this godforsaken family apparently loved each other enough. and yeah, welcome to the new house lannister. wolves and lions aren’t so different. both prey on the weak, after all.
and finally, fuck you, bronn, you fan-serviced jumped up fuck. a mercenary with zero development and who offers nothing to the narrative is now the lord of the richest region in the realm. nice.
okay, i’m done now.
#oh boy#don’t @ me#this is me letting go of the show at last#I needed this#but damn if I don’t feel free af#anti got#got negativity#go to sleep aly#pls don’t read if you love anything because there’s a high chance I shat on it
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79-hide and seek
That is a terrifying name.
So I really wasn't expecting the final to start yet but it did and ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhgggg
Idk Jon's probably gonna have to go into Michaels door (mm that sound kinda innuendo-y huh)
Also, I guess the table bound its power as well? Not just it's place? Does it bind it to a place? ...I guess we'll have to listen and see.
Hide and seek is a terrifying title tho given the circumstances.
Martin!!! *gasp* it's his poetry!
-aw. That was really good tho, also why are you recording conversations now martin?
Ya Tim knows.
Going to do what? What do you think he's gonna do Tim?
Ajdhskhdkdjsjdjdjdkskksthatscaredme
Oh, Tim.
Jon's in the tunnels!
I mean, Ya you are a bit of an idiot jon but that's ok we love you anyway. Wait- you know about the web? And that not-them is something else? Has he been catching on from Gertrude tapes?
Martin angry!! ;-; Ahhh he yell! ;-; I love him I love him! Martin is me when I found out this is a tragedy. ;-;
Gosh, I love him.
And he's angry at Tim cause Tim is trying to run away(from the archive? From the mystery in general? ...from the web?). I mean you all should probably try to run away, but also I get what martins saying I think?
Ok, hold on I need to break down this whole conversation. it's really interesting hearing stuff from someone other than jon cause he's not a very trustworthy narrator and has been, as martin mentioned, having a bit of a breakdown. Martin being mad at Tim makes me think maybe Tim hasn't been being all that reasonable either, meaning martin has been stuck with two people having a breakdown and a literal monster for the past month or however long and like... He was also pretty traumatized by the worms before and... Hhhhhhh,, my boy, ;-;
Also, Tim thinks Elias is useless *snrk*
Micheal!!!
AaaHaaksjsma!! I didn't know that he and martin would meet!
Ahsjsjd all this Michael content! I didn't realize he would show up so regularly? Idk I've probably jinxed it now and he won't show up again till like season 4 or something.
I still love the way he says "ar-kie-vist".
Ahdkd martin is threatening Michael!!? To protect jon!!? I love him!? Ahahhsj
Also, Michael mentioned again how they're protected in the archives and not in the tunnels. I wonder if that's something special about the archives or something special about the tunnels.
Did Martin go in the door!!? What just happened??? Tim's still with him? Did they both go in? Did they have a choice? What happened?? Did Michael like herd them in with his pointy knife-hands?
Ok back to jon?
Oh, he's got a pipe? ... Is this leading up to pipe murder? I know there's some sort of pipe murder at some point.
He's so scared.
...as a lover of angst, I can kinda appreciate the powers feeding off of fear.
Oh.
...ok but you should talk about it jon.
Au where not-Sasha isn't evil and they talk about their insecurities together.
Dsksjsksksk her voice is still the creepiest thing.
"SHUT UP!"
"There you are!"
Dnaksjskaaaahhsjdjdkjdjdkdkdkdkdnononononononononoaaajonsfullonhavingapanicattackrnim,,orjustrunning, or both.
Ooh! Tim and martin!! Ah, all the static! Is it cause they're in Michael's door? (Is there any way to talk about Michael's doors without it sounding innuendo-y. I mean technically they're litterally just in Michael rn... There has got to be porn written about that aspect of Michael isn't there......)
Oh, jon again. U ok? I mean no, but-
Dsksjdjd Her voice getting louder.
Aaaah she's talking about the eye
;-; jon jon no no it's ok don't listen to her. It's not your fault!
Oh, who's this? Is this the guy who's been living in the tunnels? Or was that Michael?
Gosh fuck though how she would talk to him till he'd get so terrified he would give himself away ;-; and talking about wearing him and being the archivist. And making jon guilty.
Also "you are the eye of its pupil" aaaaaahhhhh
#tma#tma lb#tma liveblog#liveblogging#episode 79#echos stuff#tma s2#s2#season 2#tma season 2#the magnus archives#hide and seek
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Thoughts on 8x03. I need to vent.
WARNING: this contains dark! Dany, crumbs of Jonsa i guess, anti sanarion, anti jonerys, anti daenerys, anti tyrion, anti d&d, basically anti everything, and lots and lots and lots of complaining. LOTS. And bitching. I hated 8x03. If you liked it, I suggest you keep scrolling. Please keep scrolling. I don't want any heat, dont want to offend anybody, I just so BADLY need to vent.
Also, i post in the Jonsa tag, because that's my main fandom and where i feel safe.
ALSO SPOILERS!
This episode was an epitome of disappointment. I can't even. All this bragging how it was going to beat BotB and Hardhome, even freakin HELMS DEEP (the audacity) and ZERO payoff. I'll try to be as brief as possible(I probably won't be).
1. Whover was the mastermid behind this battleplan should hang. What the actual fuck. What the f*ck was the deal with stationing all The Unsullied and Dothraki OUTSIDE?! I mean i get it - there's limited space at Winterfell, and those are huge armies. But later, when it all goes to hell with the Dothraki and so on, and Dadvos screams "man the walls!" there are so few people actually inside, that could man the walls! I mean, the defenders should form a freaking wall themselves, to push down as many wights as possible! And they weren't even in position, on the battlements!
2. The charge was fucking idiotic. I really don't get it - was it a rash decision of the Dothraki, inspired by Mel lighting their arakhs, that they were like "yeah, why not, let's roll", without any order? Or was it an ACTUAL plan for them to charge the AotD, without anybody knowing Mel would show up and do what she did, with regular weapons, not even Valyrian steel or dragon glass?! I mean, did they WANT to give the NK more meat for his army? THE STUPIDITY
3. What was the deal with Arya during the battle? All of the sudden she's inside the castle, terrified, walks into the library and hides from one(!) wight - seeing as in the beginning she wasn't aware there were more. The whole library scene was exhausting to watch, and not because of the suspence, but again, because of the stupidity of it. It felt out of nowhere and pointless. And damn, I remember all of the speculation when the trailer came out- why is Arya so terrified, what is she running from? Is it Rickon or whatnot? Nope. No surprises here. Just regular whights, just like the ones she was going all assasin-mode on a minute ago.
3. Jon, Daenerice and their lizards. I mean, could they have been any more useless?! Dani burns some wights in the beginning and thats it. The most frustrating part was, that they haven't even once used the goddamn dragons to fry Viserion. Not once! There was some hands-on dragon combat but that was it. At various moments I wanted the NK to win, seriously. When they flew above the clouds and Viserion disappeared, i half expected the nephew and his aunt to sing "A whole new world" together and fly away. Wouldn't have made a difference.
4. I will give them one thing, the part with Dany falling off of Drogon and him abandoning her was satisfying. Shame that Jorah ex Machina was soo predicrable (glad it wasn't Jon though). Also, I will say, that Jorahs death was the one scene I actually liked, it brought me back to season 1 and I felt for Daenerys for a moment.
5. The crypts. I mean, the way Tyrion has been made by the show to be the Most Moral Man in the Universe, with his magical, genius mind has become unbearable. I wanted to smack him, seriously. Of course YOU should be out there Tyrion, YOU might notice something others won't. Sansa put him in his place, but I would prefer it if she remaind cold towards him, like in the first episode, just beacuse the amount of sanarion being pushed down our throats was making me gag. Saying they would never have worked because of Dani? Sansa love, you dont have to be polite. It would never have worked because Sansa did not love him, wasn't attracted to him, was forced to marry him as a child, because he's a father-killing, whore-mongering alcoholic. I was SO scared they would actually kiss in that scene when they were hiding. I was about to puke. Seriously, Sophie has an amazing chemistry with nearly everyone and clearly it was visible in this scene, but for the love of God I could not bear it.
6. Missandei and her "if it werent for the Dragon Queen we'd all be dead". I need someone to step up ASAP and make it clear that if it werent for Dani and her dumbass advisors the NK WOULDNT HAVE A F*CKING DRAGON!!! And the Wall still would be standing! Why don't these things matter? Like at all?? Why?! D&D just dont give a fuck.
7. Bran. The Three-Eyed Raven. All those seasons, the impossible journey, the sacrifice of Hodor, Jojen, Meera, Summer, all the 8-year build up for the AotD to end like... this. No resolution, no answers, no explanation. And Bran does nothing. It was so underwhelming. Every single fanfic I've read was better than this. He just warged into some ravens and went for a flight. Coolcoolcool.
8. The final scene, with the music and everything was, much like the rest of the episode, exhausting. The pacing was all over the place, either too slow or too fast. It sure was nice of the NK to give Theon and Bran some extra time so they could look at each other meaningfully, with Bran taking his sweet time to assure Theon that his character arc has been completed and he's most welcome to die for him now. The NK was actually a big softie on the inside, truly. Applies also for the never-ending look he exchanged with Bran before actually trying to kill him.
Till the last moment I was hoping that Bran would pull something out. That he couldn't have been THIS useless. Anything, I would have even taken time travel, anything. But GoT has stopped shocking and surprising a looong time ago, and we got Arya instead. I guess she's so awesome now, kinda like a supernatural being, that the only sign of her coming is a light breeze moving one's hair. I don't quite get when did she actually learn to fly/jump so high, maybe at some point in Braavos, between washing dead bodies and fighting with sticks? (okay, here's a rabbit hole to avoid - Aryas plot since sason 6, when suddenly she becomes a worrior able to best Brienne in combat). I would really like Arya killing the NK, if it was done and executed better, with a decent build-up and all of that. Not like this. It was so fucking easy it hurt.
9. Jon was useless. Useless I tell you. Dani being useless was sorta satisfying, as I'm anti dany, but Jon has been obsessed with the AotD and the NK for too many seasons now. I guess I should be thankful that at no point the line "i thought i lost you" has been uttered.
10. When the episode ended, me and my sister were like, "damn, dani has actually lost all her armies. game over for her." I mean she lost all of the Dothraki, almost all of the Unsullied? But God, did we underestimate Dumb&Dumber's dumbness! OF COURSE in the promo Dani still has an army and is ready to go to war with Cersei. OF COURSE. Fuck logic, fuck the facts, fuck the plot. Things havent been making any sense for a while now, so why bother at the end?
11. One more thing about Ghost - i love this boy with all my heart, and that's why it pisses me off so much that after SEASONS of neglecting him and favouring the lizards, the writers bring him back for some meaningless cameos, without Jon interacting with him ONCE. The discrespect! Seriously, at this point Ghost should just switch owners. Jon better stay with his pet reptalian.
Sidenote: I won't even go into no Jonsa goodbye scene. No goodbye-scene for Jon with any of the Starks. Coolcoolcool.
There is more, I'm sure, but I cant remember and I'm too tired. I dont even know what I expected. Maybe because the 2 first episodes were decent I was hoping for something remotely good. But D&D reminded me that no one can dissapoint like they can.
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Rant why D&D fucked up on ep3
Now there are many opinions about THE episode and some people like it and some don't but in all honesty even though they managed to keep the tension of the battle.. when it comes to plot and giving fans answers in the final season......
Prophecy of Azor Ahai doesn't make sense
Okay everyone loves Arya and nobody can argue that she really is the biggest badass, the bitch™ and all that. But come on.. Are we really going to pretend that the whole thing of Azor Ahai doesn't matter anymore? Y'all really gonna believe she fits the prophecy? Not even a bit. I've read some theories how she can fit but it's mainly reaching. It does make sense that Arya, who has become a faceless assassin and trained to serve the god of death, is the one who killed the night king. But at the same time it makes the prophecy either pointless or useless or "misinterpreted" which is bullshit. Years of making theories who's gonna be the prince(ss) who was promised and we get no answers?
NK is a simple baddie with no backstory and was taken out by a dagger
Really? The very first opening scene of GoT in pilot episode was about white walkers. They had the chance to reveal some huge secret about the night king (remember theories that he's a Stark, that he's actually Bran or some other shit). Why did he come just now? WHO was he? Not everything needs to have a backstory but one thing's for sure: it's way more interesting when it does. We didn't get any GoT style plotwist. And Dany tried to burn him with a dragon flame which did nothing. And Arya simply stabbing him and winning is a bit unreasonable (again if they revealed that for example only Stark can kill the night king it would have made sense) and all this hype and build up and they end it like this? Simply stabbing him? Without giving any proper answers to fans, no plot twist, just the "children of the forest created him" explanation? To me it seems like a wasted opportunity to end a storyline about war between living and the dead and the azor ahai prophecy
the crypts, plot armour and other irritating stuff
Yes we had some important characters die, but why mention the crypts so many times and leave all the main characters unharmed? And they wasted a pretty good opportunity of someone important rising there. Someone mentioned that Lyanna rising from the crypts and trying to kill Jon would be a terrifying scene. Or headless Ned. You choose. Even if not that they really wasted the potential of the crypts so bad. There wasn't even a good slaughtering there. And honestly so many main characters lived wether they really are important or not. Again another wasted opportunity to give a blow to the audience. We all thought it's going to be 10 times stronger than red wedding but it wasn't. Even though the finale should be about politics and who sits on the iron throne but if they decided to end NK in this episode they should have done it properly.
We really gonna assume that Jon was brought to life for nothing?
I mean he was useless this episode. Nobody can argue. Idk why they did this to him but it's not even that he didn't kill the night king he just.. Didn't do a thing. And again why all the hype about him being the prince that was promised? In the show it was foreshadowed that he could have been azor ahai and not even Dany (who fits the prophecy way better) and he just does nothing? You bring him back to make his character useless and just to bang his aunt? Idk man. Doesn't seem legit
It all goes down to me being salty about not getting answers
If looking deeper into the plot and doing all the "reaching" it might be possible to connect everything but the thing is that the prophecy should have been fulfilled loud and clear. It should have been a moment of destiny and revelation. And we did not get it. Well at least that's my personal opinion. If other people believe that Arya is Azor Ahai then so be it. I love Arya and I'm not saying it doesn't fit for her to kill the night king but I just don't see how this all properly connects.
And yeah I kinda lost my hope that we will get answers about Azor Ahai because they just decided to throw away all this storyline. Guess that's about it
#Game of thrones#Arya Stark#Azor Ahai#Azor Ahai prophecy#Got#Jon Snow#daenerys targaryen#Episode 3#Got theory#got theories#battle of winterfell#the starks#the night king
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List of things I didn’t like this season
the mad queen bullshit. obviously.
how bad jonerys turned out. their relationship was basically useless.
daenerys used to be angry as fuck at tyriants. tyrants like her brother who abused her her whole life, tyrants like she’s seen too many times and heard of growing up. her determination was to free the world from power hungry people who killed for no reason and that’s exactly what she became. how???
jon used to speak his mind, always. he used to question his superiors, get angry at them even, desobey orders he thought were unfair. even in season 7 he didn’t hesitate putting Dany in her place, refused to bend the knee at first because, and I quote, he didn’t know her, didn’t trust her, didn’t need her permission for anything. now he can’t tell his girlfriend when she’s making mistakes? she’s begging him to be present but all he does is repeat “you’re my queen” like he’s trying to convince himself, even Dany got tired of it eventually. what the fuck happened to Jon?
Cercei was totally absent. We barely saw her.
Tyron used to be the most clever character and now he’s a moron whose war strategies always fail. the fuck.
GoT used to have amazing dialogues and lines we’d print on T-shirts. I didn’t see that this season.
Sansa scheming like a little bitch. She was right, and I respect her, don’t get me wrong, but they made her look like a high school popular girl stabbing people in the back and idk it just felt weird.
I wish I could say I was disappointed with Jaime but honestly I was expecting it.
I wanted Cercei to have a crazy ass epic death, like public assasination by fire or something, with her being hateful and in character to the very end.
Gendry proposing to Arya felt like bad written fanfic. Ofc she would say no. And I felt like he knew her but in that scene he didn’t and that kinda ruins their dynamic but I’m not a Gendrya expert so I might be wrong.
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#daenerys targaryen#game of thrones#got#jon snow#jonerys#cercei lannister#tyrion lannister#sansa stark
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GOT EP 4 REVIEW/ THOUGHTS
So unpopular opinion here but I really liked this episode. I know alot of people had issues with it but I didn’t really see anything wrong with this episode. Ok scratch that there were a couple of things wrong with the ep, which I will get to but nothing major. So if you want to know why I enjoyed an episode most people seemed to hate then feel free to read on. I do need to say that these are just my own opinions and feelings on things. I have no issue with anyone who disagrees with me or feels differently, or read something different from a particular scene. Everyone is entitled to their own thoughts and feelings I completely respect that and hope others do too. Also fair warning this got a heck of alot longer than I thought it would so its pretty much an essay, guess I have alot of feelings lol. Anyway Spoilers ahead...duh.
Sansa
There was only one moment in this episode that had me full on crying to the point where I had to get a tissue and it was that moment Sansa put the Stark pin on Theon. It was just such a poignant moment and so sweet. Like Theon was a Stark, deep down in his heart he was a Stark and I’m glad that they recognised that in this moment. In fact that whole funeral scene was the perfect send off for all those characters. From the individual goodbyes to Jon’s speech and that shot of all the pyres burning. I can’t fault it.
But on to the big Sansa moment in this episode. The one everyone was talking about which is when she tells Tyrion about Jon. Like I get why people were upset by this and why alot of people saw it as her ‘betraying’ Jon. I even saw some posts saying that she was trying to undermine Dany in this moment and was manipulating Tyrion to get Jon on the Throne. Which on the surface I can see why it comes across that way. I mean she swore to Jon that she wouldn’t tell anyone and she hasn’t been Dany’s biggest fan at all this season. I even had a bit of a oh Sansa moment myself, I definitely felt conflicted about it. But I think there’s more to it than just that. It’s not so black and white. If we take a moment to think about what kind of frame of mind Sansa is in when Tyrion comes to speak to her. She’s just found out that the man she has believed to be her brother all her life, the brother she loves and cares for isn’t her brother at all. Which means her father a man who she always believed to be the most honourable man ever lied to the whole family. Which in itself would cause enough emotional turmoil but then factor in recent events, the Battle of Winterfell must have traumatised everyone who was there and Sansa lost another one of her brothers, because although he wasn’t related by blood Theon was still her brother. All that pain and grief is really fresh right now and is most likely tearing her apart inside.
Now that we now what kind of emotional state she is in we need to talk about the other factors that led Sansa to tell Tyrion, The first thing she says to him is ‘Why her?’ Some have suggested she was jealous in this moment or being petty but actually I think she’s just trying to understand. Whatever Jon and Tyrion sees in Dany she just doesn’t so she wants him to explain it to her, she wants to understand, and I think she wants to be reassured. But instead what she learns is that Tyrion is afraid of Dany. Which I think was the turning point or deciding factor I spose, for Sansa. This is a man she trusts who has always been honest with her. And he’s afraid. Which naturally does nothing to reassure Sansa and so her own fear only grows. What’s she afraid of? Well she already told us she doesn’t want Jon to go south. The men in her family don’t fair well when they do. I mean think about it. Her uncle Brandon went south and was brutally killed by the mad king. Dany’s father. Her grandfather went south and was brutally killed by the mad king. Her father went south and was brutally killed by another king. Then her oldest brother went south and was killed too for all she knows at the orders of a king. Now Jon is going South and you’ve got Dany with him proclaiming herself a Queen and she just happens to be the Daughter of the man who murdered two of the men in her family. And yes Dany isn’t her Father but Sansa doesn’t know that. She doesn’t know Dany. And lets be honest here as much as people say Sansa hasn’t made any effort to get to know Dany, well Dany hasn’t really made any efforts either. She’s done nothing to prove to Sansa that she can trust her. So you can argue that they are both equally to blame for the rift that exists between them.
Ok so far we’ve got 1) She’s just had some shocking, life altering news and she’s also dealing with the death of someone she loved so she’s not in the best of emotional states. 2) She doesn’t trust Dany and she’s just realised Tyrion the man she does trust is afraid of her. 3) Jon is going south and she is afraid he’ll meet the same fate as all the other men in her family. All of which as it is might justify her telling Tyrion about Jon. But here’s the main reason why I think she does and all the other things feed into it. We didn’t see the actual reactions of Arya and Sansa finding out because they cut the scene short (which I will rant about later lol) but we can assume that as Jon is an honest guy he told them the whole the truth. So Sansa knows that Dany is aware of Jon’s parentage and claim to the throne. As said before Sansa doesn’t trust Dany and what she’s seen of Dany so far has shown her that Dany is determined to get the throne at any cost. This was proven in Sansa’s eyes by Dany being unwilling to let the army rest before marching. I suspect Sansa’s biggest fear is that Dany will kill Jon to ensure that she gets the throne. So Sansa probably feels a bit useless and like how can she protect her brother. So she decides the best way to keep her brother safe is by getting him as much support as possible, Sansa is a lady she would have been taught Targaryen history so she knows they have a history of becoming unstable. I think she’s just preparing for the possibilty that if Dany turns on Jon there will be more people willing to support Jon than Dany making his chances of survival higher. We have to remember that Sansa was mentored and heavily influenced by Littlefinger, she was taught by him to look at all eventualities, every possible outcome and plan accordingly. Sansa is the kind of person who will go to any lengths to protect her family. That’s what she’s doing here. So what I’m saying is she’s not betraying her brother in that moment she’s protecting him.
Gendry/ Gendrya
Next I want to talk about Gendry and by extension Gendrya. So first off his legitimisation. Anyone else feel like Dany might have just created a bigger problem for herself here? I mean I am happy for Gendry but I don’t feel like it was the smartest move on Dany’s part because she just created another person who now has a claim to the throne. You could even argue that out of the three he has the strongest claim. The last legal, legitimate King was Robert, He won that throne fairly and legally by defeating a tyrant. I appreciate that Dany probably doesn’t see it that way. But the point is she just made Gendry the trueborn son of Robert meaning by rights he should be the next person to sit on the throne as the heir of the last true King. Which means there are now two people who have stronger claims to the throne than she does. It just did not seem like the wisest move to me. There’s also the issue of how the f*ck she knew Gendry was Robert’s son. I’ve seen some comments that Jon told her because he looked guilty but I have another possibilty for you all. I went back and watched the scene a few times over because I just didn’t see it that way at all. The look people are talking about is this one
(Sorry for the poor quality.) Which happens right after Dany says you’re Robert’s son. But if you look closely you see Jon actually looks to Davos first then Davos brings his eyes to meet Jon’s. Now me personally if I shared a secret like that with a group of people and I was the one who snitched and told someone else, when that came out I would be desperately trying to avoid meeting their gaze. Also if I knew it wasn’t me who had told the first thing I would do was look to the other person who knew and see if they look guilty. This is what I think Jon is doing when he looks to Davos. In this moment they have a conversation of did you tell? no, me either. So I disagree I don’t think this is a look of guilt. Jon has no problem meeting Davos’ eyes and when he looks away its towards Gendry. I actually think this is a look of confusion mixed with tension. They’re both trying to figure out how she knows but are also worried about what she’s going to do next. Now if we compare that to this shot of Tyrion.
This to me is more a look of guilt. He blinks, looks down at the table and then over to Vary’s. Now I’d like to call you back to the first time Tyrion met Gendry. Gendry was decked out in the Baratheon colours, carrying a war hammer and said hammer was embossed with a stag. Davos also tells him that his name is Gendry. So Tyrion may or not have known the names of the bastards that were killed but its possible he could’ve recognised the name but even without that it’s not hard to put the rest together and come up with he’s a Baratheon. I also think the look to Varys is very telling because we do know that Varys knows who Gendry is. Way back in season one there was a scene where he was talking to Illyrio about how Ned had found one of the bastards already. We know the first bastard he found was Gendry so yeah I suspect that when Varys saw Gendry he instantly knew who he was. I also read Tyrion’s sharp look to Varys as a ‘told you we shouldn’t have told her’ kinda look. It makes me wonder if there was some kind of conversation between them both that we didn’t see where they discussed whether they should tell Dany or not with Varys believing they should and Tyrion not being so sure. The other thing I noticed is if you go watch the scene again, everyone’s eyes are fixed on Dany and Gendry during this scene. Everyone’s. I mean Jon has such as intense look on his face as his eyes flick between her and Gendry. But Tyrion spends the entire time staring at the table. Now to me that screams guilt. Especially as at that point no one knew what Dany was going to do to him and I feel like if Gendry were harmed because they told her then Tyrion is the type to feel guilty. So yh I think it’s much more likely that it was Tyrion and Varys who told her than Jon telling her. But that’s my opinion and everyone is welcome to draw their own conclusions because lets be honest I doubt the writers will ever explain it.
Now on to the more important part. That proposal. Ok guys I didn’t hate it. In fact I might even say I loved it. So come on lets get some positivity back up in here. Guys we got an I LOVE YOU! And how adorable was Gendry I mean that whole speech about how she was beautiful and he loved her and none of it meant anything without her. It was just soo beautiful. And I knew he meant every word of it, all of his emotions were right there on his face and in his eyes he wasn’t holding anything back. He really was wearing his heart on his sleeve. It was one of the sweetest proposals I had ever scene... And one of the stupider lol. Yeah our poor Gendry kind of set himself up there. We all know that Arya doesn’t see herself as a lady. She has always had a negative response to the title Lady so it probably wasn’t best to use that title in his proposal. Now does this mean that Gendry doesn’t know our girl. Of course he does. He knows our girl better than anyone. He just got over excited and he is also probably a bit tipsy, I mean everyone at that feast was getting rather merry lol. He got a bit ahead of himself. This isn’t the end for Gendrya. I mean you just have to look at Arya’s expressions when Gendry is confessing his love and proposing to know that she is head over heels for him too. I mean the way she came down to his level when he was on one knee and how softly she kissed him. But Arya has to finish her list, she has to find justice for her father, mother and brothers. I don’t think she can really move on with her life if she doesn’t. I won’t be at all surprised if once she has finished the list she goes to find Gendry. I still believe they are endgame. One thing I will say though is I do not want Gendry to give up his title for Arya. Gendry has struggled his whole life with not knowing who his father is. Then he finds out it’s Robert Baratheon but he still has no identity because he’s a bastard and so he is a no one and he belongs to no one because that’s what society says. So I actually think being able to have his father name, for people to look at him and go that’s Robert’s son means a lot to Gendry. And you know what he’s earned it and he deserves it and I just don’t think it would be fair for him to have to give that up for her. He should be able to have both. I also don’t see him giving it up as romantic more like tragic lol. But again that’s just my opinion on the matter. I do think in the end though Arya and Gendry will find their way back to each other. Also I do think the way we keep getting Arya saying I’m not a lady all the time is a parallel to Jon constantly saying I’m not a king all the time. And well we all know that Jon is a king whether he wants to be or not lol. It’s how most people see him as a king so I suspect in the end a Lady is exactly what Arya will end up being but naturally she won’t be the conventional kind of lady.
The last thing I want to talk about regarding Gendry is this theory about how he is actually Cersei and Robert’s son that she talks about in season 1 to Caitlyn. When I first read the theory I will admit I was intrigued by it but ultimately I dismissed it. However did anyone else notice that look Jaime got. It was interesting that they focused on his reaction as well because up until this point Jaime has had nothing to do with Gendry like at all. The three reactions they zoomed in on when it was announced that he was Robert’s son were Davos, Jon and Jaime. Now Jon and Davos make sense because they were keeping the secret but why focus on Jaime. It does make me wonder if there could be some truth to the theory. We know that Cersei didn’t want to have Robert’s child, she used to drink moon tea to stop herself getting pregnant. It’s possible that maybe Jaime feared Cersei would harm the child so removed them from her and gave him to a commoner before telling Robert and Cersei the child died of fever. But who knows I guess we’ll see.
Jon
Now Jon didn’t do much this episode but there were a couple of things I want to talk about. First is I really do think Jon is so broken. I think he has been since he was murdered and brought back. Which is understandable. I mean he’s not having the easiest of times right now. But more than anything I think he’s feeling lost. His sole mission has been stop the Night king and his army and now that’s done. On top of that he’s been told this huge truth about his parentage and I think it could not have come at a worse time. If you look back at Jon’s journey he very much struggled with being a bastard in the beginning but he eventually came to terms with that. Then he became a man of the Nights Watch but that was also blurred for him when he infiltrated the free folk, once again he was struggling with who he was and his identity but again he seemed to get over that and find himself. Then he is murderded and leaves the Night’s watch ans is once again unsure of where he belongs which he again overcomes and he becomes King in the North and embraces his Stark side. Then what happens he’s thrown for another loop when he finds out he’s also a Targaryen. So Jon has always had this struggle with identity and who am I, Where do I belong. There was that one shot of him where he’s alone in his room right before Dany comes to see him. And he just looks so tired. You can really see how much he is struggling in that moment. Speaking of that scene it’s obvious that Jon is now struggling with intimacy between himself and Dany now that he knows she’s his Aunt. I do think it’s over between them two. I just don’t think he’ll ever be comfortable with it now he knows.
The scene where he’s in the war council, I was a bit annoyed when he sided with Dany because we all know that Sansa’s right, the men and the dragons need time to recover. Jon know’s this too so it just seemed really stupid to go along with Dany when he knows it could have serious reprecussions. However I do wonder if some of the reason he goes along with it is out of concern and fear for Sansa if they defy Dany. It could be a case of him protecting his sister. He was looking at her pretty intensely in that moment. Which obviously leads to that scene in the Godswood. I can not tell you how mad I am that we didn’t get to see Sansa and Arya’s actual reactions. Like really?! I think the only thing that will make that even a little ok is if there was some other discussion that happened like some kind of plan that’s going to come up later in a twist of some kind and that’s why they couldn’t show it to us. But yeah I thought we needed to see that scene. In regards to whether I think Jon should have told them my answer is absolutely yes. They are his family he can’t be keeping a secret like that from them.
Ok so I have a new theory for what I think might happen for Jon’s endgame. If he lives which as he’s my fav character he better lol I actually think he might go and join Tormund and the others on the other side of the wall. They had that exchange where Jon said Ghost will be happy on the otherside of the wall and Tormund says ‘so would you.’ Also when Jon says so this farewell Tormund’s reply is you never know. This to me makes it seem like it’s possible that Jon will end up meeting Tormund again. I’ll be honest I wouldn’t be mad about this. As much as I’d love to see Jon as a King and as much as I think he would make an amazing King I also want him to be happy. Thinking back the only time other than that 1st episode at Winterfell that we saw him truly happy was when he was living amongst the Free folk. You could argue that alot of if had to do with Ygritte and the fact that he was in love, which yes I think that played a huge part of it but I also think it ran deeper than that. As I said before Jon’s story has very much been about him struggling to know or accept who he is, Identity has been an ongoing arc of his. When he was amongst the Free folk he wasn’t Ned Stark’s Bastard or a man of the Night’s Watch, or Lord Snow he was just Jon. He could be whoever he wanted, the free folk judge you on your own merits not on who your father was or what you do for a living, Out there Jon was free and that made him happy so yeah I would be ok with that ending for him.
The one thing that does worry me though is that his scene with Sam and Gilly did seem like a goodbye scene. Unfortunately I’m not sure they’ll see each other again. On the brighter side though. They’re having a baby and if it’s a boy they want to call him Jon, like aahhh guys my heart might explode with happiness and all the adorableness. That was just such a touching scene and Sam with his you’re the best friend I’ve ever had and seeing Jon tear up, I just, I can’t even put into words how much that scene got to me.
Braime
Jaime and Brienne sitting in a tree. Can’t believe they are canon, like that actually happened. Loved that they got those moments together but then the branch snapped and it all came tumbling down. Poor Brienne and poor Jaime too. But here’s the thing I do think there’s more to it than it seems. It looks like Jaime is going back to Cersei. Except he’s not. He’s going to kill Cersei. I’m sure of it. It’s no coincidence that the thing that triggers Jaime leaving is Sansa’s comment about I wished I’d be there when they execute your sister it seems now I won’t get the chance. It could be read like Cersei is not long for this world, especially as Brienne said you don’t need to save her, but actually considering this comment follows the news that Cersei has killed a dragon, destroyed a load of ships and captured the Dragon Queen’s bestie, it’s much more likely Sansa is suggesting that Cersei might win. Jaime’s reaction to this is then I have to stop her. Now if someone said to you I’m off to murder my sister who happens to be a woman I love (loved?) and who is carrying my unborn child you would probably say that person was pretty hateful. I think this is what he means with the whole she’s hateful but I’m hateful too. I mean this is a horrible thing to think about and I haven’t really seen many people talking about it but Cersei is pregnant. I think we’ve all been so focused on Cersei is evil she has to die this season that we’re forgetting that there is an innocent life, a baby, growing inside her and it’s survival is dependant on hers. Yet if Cersei is left to live she will kill thousands and it’s this impossible situation where you have to weigh up which is the worst of the two evils, killing an unborn child or letting thousands perish. That is the choice Jaime is facing and yes it’s a hateful one but he knows it has to be him. Unfortunately though I still don’t think its going to end well for Braime. Pretty much from season 3 I figured out what show I was watching and from that moment I knew, I just knew that Jaime was not making it out of this alive. His story will end in tragedy and that tragedy will be that after getting out from under Cersei (yeah pun was kinda intended there) moving on and finding love with someone else Cersei will still be his undoing. He will die in Kings Landing most likely with Cersei. I will be very surprised if he lives. His death will naturally leave Brienne alone and heartbroken. It’s ok though Brienne if you go with Jon up North beyond the wall I think Tormund is still free. No seriously though all joking aside, It’s going to break my heart because although I do ship Tormund and Brienne its a fun thing to like, I also love and ship Braime, I think they’ve got such a deep connection and it’s going to be devasting seeing Brienne’s heartbreak. What’s worse is I suspect her ending will be that she becomes Kings/Queens guard to whoever ends up on the throne. Which isn’t a completely bad thing, it’ll mean she’ll get the recognition she deserves. But I also think she’ll do it because of the vows and because she doesn’t want to risk falling in love again so she instead decides to dedicate her life to the Guard instead. Which as I said she’ll be the noblest of them all but she’ll be alone and well as George RR Martin said that would be bittersweet.
Dany
Ok I know this is getting ridiculously long now so I’m going to put in my thoughts about Dany and then wrap it up. So don’t get me wrong I love Dany’s character but I am afraid that Dany fans need to brace themselves for some Dany criticism here. I mean damn girl what are you doing?! There’s just so much lately that is grating on me. Her whole speech to Jon about how he shouldn’t tell anyone because it’ll take on a life of its own and they’ll pressure him into taking what’s hers. I’m just sitting here like hunni I love you but it’s not yours, its never been yours. Like even if the Targaryen’s hadn’t have been defeated they would have had to have gone through Rhaegar, his three children and Viserys before they would have got to Dany. Then there’s the fact that both Jon and Gendry have stronger claims. Now I do understand Dany’s struggle here because she has spent 7 seasons believing that the Iron Throne should be hers but its still frustrating to see her acting so selfish. I think the thing that is paining me the most is Dany used to be such a sweet and caring person. But that moment in episode 2 when she found out that Jon is a Targaryen the only thing she was worried about was what about the throne. I mean supposedly this is the man you love and yet she doesn’t stop to ask if he’s ok. The poor man just had his whole world turned upside down and your worried about a throne. It goes to show just how much Dany has changed and I do think its showing her slide into madness. Now I know there’s been some discussion saying its wrong to say Dany is a Mad Queen just because she’s ruthless in taking down Cersei or that she’s just doing what she has to. I’ve seen some comments about how they didn’t call Aegon the Conqueror Mad or evil even though he burned thousands. True but here’s the cold hard truth. Aegon won, and history is written by the victors my friends. Aegon was a terrible person. He decided he wanted the Seven Kingdoms, he knew that with his dragons they’d be unstoppable and so he burned thousands of people to death, he destroyed people’s lands and homes and brought destruction wherever he went while conquering the lands. But he won and so he got to choose how the world would remember him which obviously was as a fierce warrior king who brought peace and properity to the newly united kingdoms. In comparison Aery’s Dany’s father, The Mad King, he lost. Robert won so Robert got to choose how the world would remember Aery’s which was as a monsterous tyrant who was known for his cruelty and was completely off his rocker. The thing is I suspect Dany will also lose. And so others will decide how she will be remembered and unfortunately your enemies will never paint you in a good light. If you kill someone you swore allegiance to against your oath then you better have a damn good excuse and she was a mad queen who was killing loads of people is a reasonable reason for killing someone you swore to protect and serve.
I know some people feel like Dany’s descent into madness is too sudden and badly written but on this occasion I’m going to have to disagree. I actually think it’s been very well written. Subtly written as well. This isn’t the first sign we’ve seen, the entire series is littered with moments that show Dany’s potential of going mad. The thing that was most clever was the hints of her going mad were all moments that we cheered on. Her burning Mirri Maz Duur all the way back in season 1. I mean we all thought she deserved it but you can’t deny it was a bit messed up. Then there was locking her maidservant and Xaro in the vault again they may have deserved it but it still showed her ruthless side abit there, Killing all the masters, burning all the Khal’s. These were all things that could indicate that she had a little bit of that Targaryen Madness in her but because they were bad people that we didn’t like we turned a blind eye and just shrugged and said they deserved it. But the thing that makes the writers really clever is that after years of us rooting for her and cheering at all these badass yes burn them all baby moments, they throw in one that makes people question it. Like Dickon Tarly. I mean no one really cared about the dad dying lets be honest but Sam’s brother didn’t need to die. I think this is probably the first time you’re hoping Dany will show mercy and let Dickon live. I think it’s also important to note that alot of the issue is the way she kills them isn’t considered humane. We all saw the look of horror on Tyrion’s face when he realised that Dany was going to burn them. I think the other thing to remember is that if you look at from the family’s point of view. It’s one thing if your son/ husband/ brother/ father is executed but at least if they are beheaded there are remains to bury. By burning them as she did she denied the family a chance to have funeral and say goodbye as is their custom.
Other signs of her madness is the obsession with the throne and with people bending the knee. Particularly this season. I think as we continue we will see Dany start to threaten more of the characters that we love and we’ve started seeing the beginnings of paranoia set in, we saw it when she questioned Tyrion’s loyalty at Jaime’s trail and in her tumultuous relationship with Sansa we’ve even started to see it a bit with Jon. Again another subtle shift is seeing the way others are behaving around her, I noticed it more in this episode but they’re every cautious like tiptoing around a sleeping dragon. They are nervous about how she’ll react and they’ve become more fearful of her. I’ve actually really enjoyed watching Dany’s descent into madness, it makes her character interesting. I do think its going to become more rapid now I think the events of this episode are going to be what finally makes her mind snap. Cersei poked the sleeping dragon and I’ve got a feeling she’s going to regret waking this Dragon.
The other controversial issue that seems to have come up is whether it’s sexist that Varys and Tyrion seem to be siding with Jon over Dany. Well yes and no. The show isn’t being sexist, but the characters are. Some of you might be thinking huh? So let me explain. As much as this is a fantasy tv show we have to remember it is set in a medieval kind of era. Back then men were considered more capable than women. So when faced with a choice between a male heir or a female, the lords will side with the male just because that is how things were done. So yes the characters are being shortsighted and sexist because as Varys said the Lords will support Jon because he’s male. But the show writers aren’t being sexist they’re being realistic and historically accurate. Yes this is a fantasy show but they still have to stay true to the rules of the era, especially as it is based on our own history and laws, George RR Martin didn’t just pull it all out of thin air alot of the events in the books and therefore the show are based on true historical events that actually happened. So if they just throw it all out and go yeah we’re putting a woman on the throne over this male and no one at all had a problem with it, well that just wouldn’t be at all believable. A good indication that the show isn’t being sexist in itself is the fact that they have that line where Tyrion questions it by saying well Joffrey was a male and look how that turned out. That’s no indication of whether they’ll be a good ruler. But then Varys was correct in his come back of the lords won’t support a woman over a man and in that respect yes having a cock is important I’m afraid. Both these characters know its not right but they are also aware of the world they live in and you do need the support to be succesful.
I’m also of the opinon that Varys and Tyrion are right. Jon is the better ruler. Dany she’s the better conqueror. But Jon is the better ruler for the very reasons Varys gives he is temperate and measured. Dany not so much and that was really shown in this episode. Her decision to legitimise Gendry I’ve already talked about. I do think it was a bad choice on her behalf. I get the I’ll have a Storm Lord on my side and in my debt but Gendry if given the choice of supporting her or Jon and the Starks will choose Jon. Storms End means far little to him than his family. And Arya and Jon and therefore by extension the rest of the Starks are his family. But the other impulsive decision was not waiting before heading to Kings Landing. She should have listened to Sansa. She also made a bad choice in not having a scout searching ahead. That’s how she lost Rhaegal and Missandei. This also along with the whole legitimisation shows her arrogance. The reason why she didn’t send a scout ahead is because she was arrogant enough to believe that no one would dare attack her dragons. How many times throughout the series have we seen someone warn her of a threat and her come back with I’ve got dragons? Which I don’t entirely blame her for being arrogant/ confident about that, her dragons are powerful war machines and yes it would be foolish to go up against them unless you’ve been armed with a weapon specially designed to take down dragons of course. Which unfortunately Euron did. As a side note I do think it was necessary for her dragon to be killed. Before that I was just sitting here thinking well Cersei is screwed, like even with the Battle of Winterfell reducing their numbers they were still a pretty deadly force with the combined forces and the two dragons. I just didn’t see how Cersei could win against that. Now however the odds are a lot more even, I’d even go so far as to say that Cersei has the upperhand now which makes the stakes much higher and therefore the show more exciting. But going back to the previous line of thought I think with Gendry the reason why she doesn’t think ‘hmm maybe I’m giving Gendry too much power here’ is because she doesn’t for one second think he would betray her now that she’s given him that power. Dany loves power which again is understandable because she spent alot of her life with no power and she suffered for it. But that love for power means she thinks everyone feels the same. It’s why she is so paranoid about Sansa and Jon. And its why she thinks she now had Gendry in her pocket. Unfortunately these character traits, the arrogance, the power thirst, the impulsiveness are what makes here unsuitable as a ruler. All fantastic traits for a conqueror but not for a ruler. It’s true of the Targaryen’s that they weren’t good rulers. Their entire dynasty was littered with wars, mostly against each other. Yes there were a few good ones but on the whole not so much. You could even argue that the first time the kingdoms knew an extended period of peace was under Robert’s reign.
But as critical of Dany as I’m being there was one moment in this where my heart just ached for her. When she was at the feast and you see her watching Jon being praised by Tormund and there are people gathered around him and he’s laughing with them. Then she sees Jaime, Tyrion and Brienne. All around her there are people celebrating together and she is sitting there utterly alone. She’s in a room with probably well over a hundred people but she looked and must have felt more alone than ever. It really pulled at my heart strings because as much as I’ve been ragging on her in this review I do love her and her character so seeing my girl like that was hard to watch.
Speaking of things that were hard to watch my poor poor Missandei. Poor Grey Worm too. I mean I think the part that was the hardest for me was seeing this brave beautiful woman who had been taken from her home and sold into slavery, spent years being opressed and most likely abused by the masters who was then freed by Dany and rose to become a close friend of a Queen and who had found love, die in chains. Now I’m not critising the show for having her in chains (I guess), I mean of course she was in chains she was a prisoner, Cersei would have been stupid to not have her in chains. Also other characters have died in chains, Ned did and Ellaria Sand’s daughter, I’m sure there were others too. But there was something about seeing a former slave die in chains that just made it soo much harder to watch, so much more heart wrenching. Also Grey Worm’s reaction I just it was awful I just wanted to reach into the tv and hug him. But I did love how strong Missandei was in that moment and her last words, not even just what they were but the way she said them. She had so much strength and power in her voice. Those were the words that Dany freed her with. It could also indicate what is to come with Dany buring them all.
Finishing Up
So I said there were a couple of things that I thought could have used improvement in the episode so I figured I’d list them at the end here. I’ve already mentioned the fact that we should have seen Sansa and Arya’s reactions to Jon’s reveal but here are some more.
1) The Starbucks of Winterfell. I’ll be honest I didn’t notice it until someone else on tumblr pointed it out. As careless as this was I can forgive them for it. From what I understand they have now fixed it and the versions on HBO now don’t have the coffee cup, They had also just come off a 55 nights or something like that shoot and were exhausted not to mention stuff like this happens all the time in tv and movies. But to be honest the main reason why I can forgive them for it is because I thought it was hilarious haha.
2) Ghost got ghosted by Jon. I mean come on they couldn’t even let him pet him. I am peeved that they didn’t untilise the direwolves more. I mean I like the dragons and all but I would’ve liked to see more of the wolves they were criminally under used. So it sucks that they have sent Ghost away. That being said at least we know he won’t be killed horribly like the other dire wolves. But for me the worst part of it is that they didn’t even give him and Jon a proper goodbye. Ghost looked so sad and Jon just nodded at him and was like see ya later. I am hoping that they will be reunited though. Fingers crossed.
3) A boy does not know his own name. This is the most unforgivable of them all. I’m not Gendry Rivers anymore, No hunni pie you’re not because you never were. Maybe I’m being petty but this one was not that hard to get right. Like you didn’t even need to read the books just google search it, Hell go on tumblr in the gendry tab. It’s Waters! Gendry Waters! Ok I can’t talk about it anymore I’ll only make myself angry again.
Overall I’m happy with where this season is going. I like that I’m struggling to figure out what will happen next and we’re still getting those shocks and twists. I’m both nervous and excited to see what will happen next. Anyway I apologise for the literal essay this got a lot longer than I originally planned lol so a very big thank you to anyone who actual read to the end.
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Pourquoi la Saison 8 de Game of Thrones est Décevante
Why the Game of Thrones season 8 is disappointing
The video is in French but I really like the analysis of the writing, or the bad writing rather, of the showrunners, so I will translate the text as best as I can. Some French expressions do not exist in English, and vice versa, so I hope everything will make sense.
All that is in parenthesis and italics will be my thoughts on what he said in the video, all that is between ** and italics will be interesting passages during the video that accompanies his text.
It's long, sorrynotsorry :p
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There was a lot of hope for this season 8, the final season of the biggest series of the moment. And necessarily who says hope, said disappointment, but this disappointment it does not come out of nowhere. It's not just a spectator affair not happy because they did not have the end they wanted. Yes the season has undeniable qualities, whether in terms of production, photography, music or special effects that are just impressive. But also suffers from a lack of writing, and it is because of these faults that some of the spectators did not so much hang *Benioff who said "Dany kinda forgot the iron fleet ..." *
So these different writing problems can be grouped into four points:
I - Change of the writing process
The last seasons of GoT are not written in the same way as the first seasons that followed the plot of the books, there is a thread on twitter that explains that pretty well, so I'll summarize it and add some examples.
To put it simply, there are two methods for writing stories, one is the “Plotters” and and the other is the “Pantsers". Each of that methods had its advantages but also its disadvantages that the authors tries to regulate during the rewriting.
The “Plotters” (like J.K. Rowling) write a detailed story plan in advance, so they have more ability to write effective storylines, but their characters can sometimes be bland and puppet of the plot, we can say that the plot is the engine of the characters.
The "Pantsers" discover the story as they write it, wondering how such a character would react to such situation. They are therefore easier to write realistic characters. The flaw of this method is that sometimes the characters can sometimes become entangled in sinuous intrigues, and the author may find it difficult to relate all of this to a satisfactory conclusion. We can say that the characters are the engine of the plot.
GRRM is an excellent "pantser", according to him, write a story is like cultivating a garden, he plants seeds of characters and lets them grow, and that's why each plot, each surprise, is so effective, everything that happens to the characters is the consequence of their past choices. The problem is that, his garden gradually escape him, and the author is struggling to get by to write the rest, it is difficult to take some characters where they should be for the rest of the history. He often gives the example of Daenerys who is stuck in Meereen, and G.R.R.M does not want to use abrupt or forced resolution to have her go to Westeros.
But let's go back to the show, for the last two seasons the showrunners did not follow the method of Martin, who did not succeed them anyway, and they acted in plotters, they gave themselves 13 episodes to conclude the series and they thought about the different elements and the strong moments that they wanted to integrate, where they want the characters to finish, what did the audience want to see, how to surprise them, etc. They did a sort of end "specifications" for the show, for example, for season 8:
- Arya kills the Night King
- Daenerys goes crazy
- Jon kills Daenerys
- Bran becomes King
It only remains to connect all this. So they took the characters where they wanted them to be, physically and emotionally, the problem is that this change in writing process is not without consequences and it is felt for the viewer.
In the first seasons, the characters created their own destiny, their actions seemed logical, true to their character, and they suffered the consequences of their actions. But in these last two seasons, instead of being the engines of the plot the characters have become the puppets of the showrunners, and that's why some characters seem to be only the shadow of themselves *Baelish trial extract*, it's pretty visible with Jon Snow who has clearly become a "duck" in the last season. But where it is most striking is with the character of Tyrion, who has lost all his genius and who has become the worst advisor in the world.
List of rotion tips from Tyrion:
- Make peace with slave cities
- Do not attack KL directly
- Attack by surprise Casterly Rock
- Go get a wight beyond the wall
- Etc ..
Consequences :
Loss of soldiers, cities, allies and a dragon.
But really the worst advisor, he only advised bullshits. Just look at the Tyrion of the first seasons for a few minutes to instantly see the difference.
Generally speaking, when "intelligent" characters are in fact more stupid than spectators, it is because there is a concern for writing. * from an interview with Tyrion saying "they are in a crypt, no one has thought of that, he can revive the dead, and they put women and children in a crypt! With all the corpses! So ... Tyrion is intelligent, but not so smart as that I suppose. "
But back to our favorite "plotters" to reach the main point of the plot that was the transformation of Daenerys into "Mad Queen", Daenerys had to be greatly weakened, and at the end of season 6, when she comes to Westeros, she is all-powerful with her three dragons, her armies, and her allies, and so she and all the characters around her are "forced" to make unusually bad decisions, though Daenerys does, she listens her advisors or not, it ends very badly for her.
There was no winning scenario for Daenerys.
In the level of debility of the characters, the season 7 also offered us a magnificent expedition beyond the wall, with a ridiculous motivation, in order to take a wight to Cersei to prove to her the existence of the threat, the real reason for all this was to offer a dragon to the Night King (and also for the fanservice), because the plot needed the Wight Walkers to cross the wall, and besides, Cersei had nothing to do with it, so it was totally useless (But this bring beautiful pictures).
And what the series shows us is that she was quite right to not care (lol) because they did not need her at all, the union of all men ( Jon speech) all this, useless. Just a little dagger well placed ...
II - Show > Logic
The second annoying point of this season is that logic and consistency are often sacrificed in the name of the show and the surprise. For example, at the military strategy level we have seen a lot of debility, whether it is to put the soldiers in front of the walls, and the catapults in front of the soldiers, or the front charge of the Dothraki against the Army Of The Dead, it’s true that it was pretty plans ... Another choice that, in my opinion, was made to shock and be spectacular, it is the burning of the city of KL by Daenerys. The problem is not the madness of Daenerys, besides I think it's a very good idea in terms of plot and character (not to me ... already done => Cersei), no problem is the degrees of this madness and it is that it is very sudden, the tumble goes very fast and especially very far, it almost seems that it is a switch in mode On / Off *genes targaryen: Off / On *
Let's get back to her character, what we learned from her in all these seasons is that she is totally ruthless to her enemies (like many other characters ...), but she is is also merciful to the innocent (much less other characters are ... lol) her character could be summed up in that. And so in KL, once the city surrenders, she begins to slaughter innocent people, whereas she does not kill them before the bells ring. So, if I understood correctly, it's the fact that they surrender to make her want to kill everyone ... Logic. Even her father, the Mad King, had a much better motive for burning the city, KL was being sacked by Tywin's army and so the Mad King had lost the war, destroying was the desperate gesture of a king who had already lost everything and did not want to leave anything to his enemies (the logical reaction that should have had Cersei ...) and in addition he thought to be reborn as a dragon so there was a gain for him, while for Daenerys, there is no gain for her, there is no reason to slaughter the population, except to make a beautiful demonstration of special effects (and push people to hate her and give a reason to kill her). There was, however, a way to have her massacre innocent while keeping the consistency of the character. Daenerys could have simply refused the surrender and rushed to the Red Keep to kill Cersei, and too bad for the innocents inside, in clear, that she forgets her mercy to punish Cersei *without burning the whole city* that would have been consistent. You may think I'm quibbling, but for me it's important that the characters are treated well.
III - Realism
The third fault of this writing that I would like to raise is a change in the internal logic of the series. We often hear GoT is a series that wants to surprise the viewer, and shock, as we have seen with the execution of Ned Stark, the main character of season 1. Yet if we dig a little, the desire to the saga has never been to surprise, to jostle the tropes of fantasy yes, but not to surprise in itself. In the first seasons, those that followed the books, the surprise was just a consequence of the internal logic of this universe, realism. In the early seasons there was a cold realism, a political realism, *George: "Art must reflect life"* As I said earlier, when a character made a mistake, he paid the consequences *Robb and the red wedding* have far-reaching consequences, and that's what surprised the viewer because it's something we're not used to seeing. In the fantasy stories, we have been used to the fact that the moral hero is untouchable, invulnerable, and even when everything seems lost, he was always saved at the last moment (as in season 8 for Arya and Jon, plot armor very strong) but in GoT, it did not work like that (Except in season 8 lol except for Dany: '() each action had its consequences, and even for the most moral of all heroes, the scenario never came to their rescue, and that's what works, and what was even better was that the events that surprised us so much at the time, we could have seen them coming, we should have seen them come even, so much they were a logical consequence of what had happened. *Red Wedding extract*
In the first seasons, the surprise was a consequence of the realism whereas in season 8 the surprise is a consequence of ... of ... the surprise ...
*Dany kinda forgot the iron fleet ..*
This is the choice made by the showrunners, they want to surprise the audience, shock them, make the series unpredictable, even if the logic and consistency suffers, but something surprising is not necessarily good (now they know it lol but it's too late for GoT fans ...) all events must be logical and coherent with the characters, and this realism that was part of the identity of the first seasons of GoT what it becomes in season 8? Well it was a little slaughtered ...
We have seen characters in impossible situations, for example during the battle of Winterfell, on many levels it seems that the characters are literally overwhelmed by the army of the dead and yet they get along ... no doubt thanks with their armor +8 in scenarium. It's as if these situations did not really have consequences (some shots, the characters are overwhelmed and get out while Jorah and Dany have a lot fewer deads than the others who attack them and yet Jorah dies ???? ???) *Jon overwhelm by the dead, the plan just after show him attack the dead, but there are far fewer around him than before ....* And it's the same for Daenerys's army, which is slaughtered during the first charge. All the lights of the Arakhs go out, but in the end, that's fine, we're taught in the following episode that only the half of the manpower was destroyed, coherence level ...
And then the burial of realism comes with the scene of Bran's election to the throne, well I will not talk about the fact that it has nothing to do with his character's arc of the Tree Eyed Raven who does not want the power, let us also forget that there are little Lords who have nothing to do in these deliberations *Brienne, Davos, etc*
So why the great Lord of Westeros who must elect a King choose Bran Stark? These great Lords, who logically are supposed to defend their personal interests, and not the people's (not like Dany would have done it! Like Tyrion telling Jon about the usefulness of the Night's Watch now: "It must be a place for the bastards and broken things to go "... Nice your new world ...) These Lords who are mostly ambitious, how they were able to agree to put Brandon Stark on the throne, in addition Tyrion's arguments are completely nul, that's how, logically, it should have happened:
*Editing in the video : Tyrion says: "And who had a better story, than Bran the Broken ..." After a few seconds, all the Lords laugh out loud *
In a realistic situation, the one who has the biggest army and the strongest alliances should have claimed the throne for himself/herself (like Robin the capricious child who controls the Knights of the Vale or Dorne who does not implied in no war before and has its army intact ((yes Ellaria swear loyalty to Dany and was attacking by Euron, but her army did not leave Dorne)), even Yara could have tried something ... but...ok...) or they all agreed to declare the independence of each kingdom, but no, all these great Lords have become angels who want the good of all (it's not the GoT that was sold to me ... lol It is well known, the nobles always do good for the common people). In addition they accept the independence of the North without saying anything, without even asking the same thing. So we have a Stark Queen of the North, another Stark King of the 6 Kingdoms, everything is fine, in terms of political realism, that’s sucks, and that's where we see that the change of writing has been radical over the seasons. In the end, this internal logic of realism, which was the strength of the series in the early seasons was swept and so it is not surprising that many fans of the first hour are disappointing.
The show conclude on a rather classic happy ending (if you think this has a happy ending, you have not paying attention ... it's hilarious this meme now lol) for the remaining 4 Stark, then is it a bad end? (Yes !!!!) It depends on what you are looking for as a spectator, in the same way that there is different type of author, there is also different type of spectator, there are those who are more in the analysis, which gives great importance to the plot and the internal coherence of the story, and there are those who are more in the emotional, who are attached to the characters and therefore relieve that they have a positive end (I totally agree, for me it's the consistency that is essential, I do not find any logic when I look at the last two seasons compared to the first six seasons , so it's a very bad end for me , besides, my favorite character was massacred ... so ...)
No end could have satisfied everyone (but here they still screw up the entire show lol)
IV - Rushed
Last but not least, there were too few episodes to conclude a story of this magnitude, everything goes too fast (too little dialogue, and too much weakness in those that we had) the war against the Wights Walkers was prepared during 7 seasons, we were told and repeated that it was the real war, that all the others were futile *Jon in front of Cersei and his speech on the only war that matter...* Almost all the plot of the season 7 is about the AOTD, and finally in the season 8 the threat is wiped out from the first battle (it was impossible to fight the battle for few days honestly, they could not have held long against the Night King, and all the Wighs Walkers and the dead, I would have preferred a massacre in Winterfell, and some characters who runs thanks to the remaining dragons or on foot, we were promised a slaughter, in the end, very few deaths during the battle, the slaughter took place at KL, but that on extras ... I will have seen a bittersweet end with almost all Westeros decimate, very few humans left, and a magical way thanks to Bran and his abilities to kill the Night King and his army. But well ...) the threat of Wights Walkers is destroyed in the first battle, and without much loss. The impression that this gives is that, in the end, Wight Walkers were not so dangerous that it was enough of a little dagger well placed. (Also have no answer on all the symbols etc ... it will be necessary to watch the prequel to know ... The answers should have been in the show, with a number of more important episodes!)
It's a shame, this war would have deserved a whole season.
In the last two seasons there are also very brutal ellipses, sometimes incoherent * Dany who will help beyond the wall, she arrives, despite the distance, in time to save the team Jon ... * the showrunners take sometimes big shortcut, by example Varys treason seems instantaneous and premature and barely 5 minutes later he is burned. And the worst is the madness of Daenerys, which is too sudden, not progressive enough (and illogical for the character, from my point of view), and seems a little artificial.
The most frustrating thing is that HBO was up for more episodes, but the showrunners decided to do just 13 we do not know why (Star Wars? XD I sympathize for you the fans ^^)
We would have loved to have more episodes and in addition it would have allowed to develop the intrigues, not to give an impression of sloppy end.
Too bad there were good ideas in this season, Daenerys who goes crazy is a very good idea (still not agree ...), the Stark who unite to defeat the Night King was also a good idea ( you forget Dany there ... without her ... without her they would all be dead and it would be much better!). The problem is not the big choice of plot (except Mad Queen Dany ...), it's how they are developed, too suddenly, everything goes too fast and seems to misuse, and as it's GoT and that we love this show, we would like so much better (especially when the fans invest so much money in the show ...)
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I do not translate the end because even if it's a very good series as he says, the end completely ruin the good seasons for me, if I want to watch the first 6 seasons in the future, I always have in the head the horrible ending and I will have one desire, it is turn off my TV from the first episode. Having Daenerys as a favorite character, seeing her abused, raped, used and then seeing her get up, become stronger, become a queen, and know how it ends for her ... no thanks. But it's not only Dany, the other characters have also suffered a massacre, coherence, logic and realism have been slaughtered in favor of surprise and spectacle.
I could have summed it up in one word, or two: Hollywood, Money.
#daenerys targaryen#video youtube#anti got#anti d&d#bad showrunners#bad writers#tyrion lannister#jon snow#george r.r. martin
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EPISODE 22 - Colony
Now, that statement creeps me out because, well, Jane Prentiss, and worms. (the worms sounds are only okay now because I know how they made them)
Since this story is obviously full Martin & Jon, I’m not going to write all of what happens, just - keep a few key interactions between them that show a bit more of their relationship, if that make sense? I hope it makes sense.
“Well, I need to tell someone what happened, and you can vouch for the soundness of my mind, can’t you?” “...That is beside the point.”
“I didn’t want to come back to you without due diligence though, I’ve learnt that lesson”
“You’re going to think I’m an idiot [...]”
“Look, I know you hate the word, but It was really... spooky.”
“I was worried I hadn’t really done enough investigation for you”
“I just wanted to take a picture of the thing. To prove to you it happened. You’re always so quick to dismiss those statements and I wanted proof for you.”
“You’re sure about all this Martin?” “Look I’m not going to lie about something like this to you, Jon. I like my job... Most of the time.”
‘Very well, in that case, there’s a room in the Archives I used to sleep when working late. I suggest you stay there for now [...].” “Oh - I - oh.. Okay. Thanks. To be honest I d-didn’t expect you to... take it seriously.”
“In that time I have received several text messages from your phone [...] But my calls trying to follow up were never answered.”
SUPPLEMENT
- Okay so, here’s the thing: That episode is - weirdly enough I suppose - the one where I stopped thinking that Jon/Martin would be a thing. Obviously now I’ve got a very different opinion but here’s the thing: Jon’s voice sounds kinda old, and Alex’s voice sounds kinda young. At this point, I just suddenly thought that Martin was way, way younger than Jon, and that’s just not a relationship I was interested in. So I moved on from my first vague shippy impressions.
- I’m so sad for Martin. I’m so, utterly, completely sad for Martin. Two weeks without anyone caring of where he was. Nobody coming to check on him. Though hey - Jon tried calling! I’m sure Martin’s phone is full of voicemails being like “STOP BEING SICK AND COME BACK TO WORK, mARTIN” or something like that at this point
- Obviously this is a very pivotal episode for Martin and Jon. First, we finally hear Martin’s voice! He’s here, the infamous, “useless” assistant! And he so clearly, so BADLY wants to impress Jon? He wants to do good work, he’s anxious about not doing enough! And the whole “sceptic/believer” thing is a rather big thing of their dynamics in season 1, since Martin’s first thought as he watches Jane is TO WANT TO TAKE A PICTURE TO THROW IT AT JON’S FACE. He also seems so genuinely surprised and taken aback by Jon telling him he can stay at the institute - which is truly not surprising after we’ve heard twenty episodes of Jon’s being an ass about Martin, and even in this episode itself he starts off by doubting Martin’s word to the point of not being sure a statement is needed (SERIOUSLY JON, tho that one is turning painfully ironic now) and even after still asking “you’re sure about this”.
- But Jon still offers, because, deep down, Jon’s not the worst person in the world, and he wants Martin’s safe (that’s a low bar, but at least he reaches it). And that’s a gesture that he’d have offered to everybody, there’s no doubt of it, but It would have been less impactful or surprising if everything had happened to Sasha or Tim, since we can gather that Jon likes them in a way he just doesn’t Martin.
- There is something confrontational and snippy about Martin that I enjoy here. He really wants to impress Jon, but he faces him heads on without flinching - an attitude will see time and time again later on that I enjoy thoroughly. It’s easy to think of Martin as a poor woobie boy but the fact is, this man stands up for himself time and time again, and doesn’t let the bad treatments of others stop him.
- I didn’t put the line above because it’s not exactly relationship material but “Keep him. We had our fun. He will want to see it when the Archivist's crimson fate arrives.” I’m so CURIOUS about this. Is it refering only to the infestation at the end of season 1? Or is something... Bigger, more long-term? There are big chances Martin will see the Archivist’s crimson fate.
- Conclusion of this episode: Protect and love and cherish Martin Blackwood forever, 2k19
-and on that note, I am now going to bed. Y’all are free. for now.
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So I started my other post with my mother's opinions on how awful everything is and how out of nowhere and unnecessary it was for D*ny to do what she did.
I felt kinda relieved that they actually went all the way Dark!Dany. When she started just burning the scorpions I almost thought they had chickened out of going this way.
But let's be honest. It was not very good. They really went with Mad Queen, instead of the tyrant she showed herself to be for many seasons. It was not out of nowhere. But the burning of the whole city was just stupid after they all surrendered (and watching the episode with D*ny fans) that moment felt out of nowhere. She said she was going to burn it all, and in the end it wasn't necessary, but she did it anyway. Yeah, I know they didn't want anybody questioning of she really had gone dark or not. But I don't know. Maybe it's just the stress of watching the episode with my mom screaming talking. What I did understand is that they just think that there's no reasoning with them, they can't see that the show had been showing all along.
So ok, I liked that she finally showed her true colours (not how she did it, mind). And I liked Arya and the Hound's talk. That was nice. She shouldn't live for revenge. She should just live her life. (But let's be honest, the last moment was just her adding another name to her list).
Jon!!!! What the fuck, Jon! Yep! Can't believe Pol!Jon anymore. Nope. It's totally sacrificial Jon! We can see how afraid he was of her in her room(?) And how he tried placating her with "ily" , and she was quite honest to say she would rule through fear (actually thinking back on this scene, it kind of explain the burning of KL, she wants people to really fear her). But I am really tired of useless(?) Jon who's doing absolutely nothing (yeah, I know, blame it on his lack of POV). But during the battle. I can't believe he really let the army of the north go with it. I know he had no power or control over the Unsullied or the Dothraki, but the northern army should listen to him. I don't know. I'm just tired of barely seeing him, and when we do, he does nothing.
The Unsullied. I am so sorry. So sorry. They really became mindless soldiers/slaves. I was so sad to see Grey Worn killing unarmed soldiers who had already surrendered their weapons. That was terrible to see. I hope better of them.
The same with Jaime. That was distasteful. Such a long going redemption arc they tried to give him, and then they end him like that? Just blergh! The whole Euron fight was awful, just all around really bad, but then he was really badly injured, a knife to the lungs/heart, anyways, a killing blow, he was dying and then he just gets up, kills Euron and walks a lot to get to Cersei to die in her arms????? At least I thought he would kill her, even if it was a mercy killing, but they just died holding each other and that was very blergh. (I am sorry for Brienne, though, she deserved better)
Why did Tyrion apologized to Varys????? He could have avoided it all.
Varys will be missed, I wish he could get to live in a place where the ruler really care for their subjects
Hats off to Cersei. She really tried that, and at least she had always been really honest about who she was. (But I am really glad she died)
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Game of thrones spoilers ahead
Just to start: I kinda massively hated this episode so If you don’t feel the same… peace out now
Varys, you’re about to die. Seriously, Dany’s one thing with you was don’t go behind her back
Hey Jon - at least you’re worried about her mental health, no one else seems to be
Yep, Sansa told.
Also can I just say I’m fucking pissed about Jon being the ‘rightful king’ while all the women get shoehorned into being ‘mad’ or ‘manipulative’ seriously fuck this storyline
Damn Dany looks absolutely destroyed. Like, kudos to Emilia I see her heartbreak so well
Varys getting ready to die
Oh shit that shot of Drogon is intense
I mean… not the worst way to die. You’re incinerated pretty instantly. Still terrible, mind you, but not the worst.
I really do hate what this storyline is doing to Dany. She never would have hurt innocents before. She wasn’t perfect but she wasn’t a murderer.
Arya is the real mvp
Please let her sneak in and kill cersei before this gets worse. She won’t, but it’s be nice
Tyrion trying to speak Valyrian is a hoot
Surprised Dany didn’t straight up kill Jamie considering what the writing is trying to say about her
And Tyrion returning the escape favor
Wow seven seasons of character development for Jamie Lannister out the window
Tyrion still the only completely good dude out here - but now he’s being an idiot
Awww Tyrion and Jamie are getting a sweet moment. So one or both of them is going to die.
Someone kill Euron. Please. I am begging.
Also why didn’t we sink these boats overnight when no one could see he dragon quickly enough to attack???
No one recognized Arya or the Hound? Sure. Whatever. I don’t care just get Arya close to Cersei
The golden company I presume
Dany doesn’t have enough people this is going to end so badly
Fuck you Cersei. You’re a bad bitch and I respect that but fuck you.
They want to make it super clear that little girl is going to die
oh no Jamie didn’t make it in I’m so upset I cared so much
Oh Drogon best survive this or I’m gonna lose it
EURON WAS RIGHT THERE MOVE FIVE FEET OVER
thank you
And why couldn’t the other dragon get out of the way in time? Oh, it was for the shock value? Right.
Burn them baby
Please let Drogon destroy the golden company it would make my day
Oh no the horsey
Go Drogon!
Listen the only things I care about right now are Arya and Drogon
Bye rando dude
Huh, Dany might just win this
Cool
Cersei you’re going to lose. Figure it out.
Please surrender guys
Thank you
Is someone gonna ring the bell?
Oh thank goodness
We’re going for Cersei
Or we’re making Dany a mad queen because fuck what she said she’d do and her precious characterization and we want Jon to be the king
Seriously fuck this
Dany has never killed innocents. She isn’t crazy she’s pissed she lost her children and fuck the writers for making her do this it’s bull
I swear to god of Jamie still goes for Cersei
Oh look Euron is still alive. Joy.
They’re freaking fighting over Cersei I do not care al all
And Jamie’s gonna die now because Euron freaking stabbed him in the side. Seriously?
The only person acting like themselves right now is Cersei
Wildfire? Where’d that shit come from?
Jamie do one good thing before you die and kill Euron for me
Good boy
Hey Arya forgot you were here
Clegane bowl?
Arya please go find Gendry and live happily as a an assassin and her blacksmith husband
CLEGANE BOWL
Oh thank god that maester is dead finally
Bye Cersei see you in a second
Gross
Arya if you didn’t leave I’m okay with it so you can kill Cersei
Oh Jamie’s here. If they die together…
Yay for the hound but Gregor was already dead so it doesn’t matter because nothing matters on this god damn show
Thought that’s dude was Gendry for a second
Dude squished a guy’s head like a grape a couple seasons back and he can’t do the same now?
Oh, I spoke too soon
And they’re both going down. Whatever. Don’t care.
Where did this wildfire come from? Is it leftovers from Cersei’s sept thing?
Literally just having Dany burn everything because why the fuck not gotta make sure everyone knows she’s terrible
Did they just fucking
Oh thank god you do NOT touch Arya Stark
At this point fuck it
Let Cersei live I don’t care
Oh no their exit is gone so sad
Hey Jamie this would be a good time to kill Cersei. You won’t. But it’d be nice.
They just got crushed? Seriously? What about that whole prophecy of the little brother?
There’s Arya. Please get out of the city now. Your green eye prophecy is gonna be just as useless at this point
Also her plot armor is strong. Not upset that she’s alive, but seriously kinda ridiculous
Dramatic shot of destroyed children’s toy so we know everything is terrible
Random white horse for Arya to leave on
*arya was the horse girl inside us all along*
That was some bullshit
The Lannister song is nice though
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Game of Thrones ep5
I was more disappointed by the previous episode honestly. Or maybe I was so disappointed with the previous episode that I didn’t expect anything good from this one.
It’s beyond me how series all start very slowly but end so rushed like. You had years to develop stuff at a regular pace and you had years to plan the ending. So? Why?
I didn’t expect Varys to be executed, he went through so many kings and conspiracies and this one was way smaller than others. Also I liked him very much and I admired his choices. He was composed and he didn’t deny his own reasons.
I started season 1 hating Sansa and liking Daenerys, I’d never thought I’d feel the opposite. I’m hating Dany, she seems incapable of dealing with people who have a thinking brain and a good intellect. Unsullied and Missandei were clearly loyal to her cause she freed them, but also they were slaves with a slave mentality, it’s easier to deal with them. Also sacrificing the city ‘for the future generation’...that’s pulling a hitler, bitch.
Jon Snow dwindled from useless to wtf through the whole ep. but I was glad he rejected Dany as a lover at least. After all you don’t feel in the mood after witnessing a comrade burned to death right? That’s a crazy bitch dude. And the way she played victim? Terrible attempt of manipulation, luckily Jon is impassive or unemotional or slow or idk. Jon Slow sounds right for him lol. Anyway after that destruction he witnessed he’s gotta grow a pair and be the Targaryen king she can’t be.
I’m disappointed by Tyrion’s loyalty to her but at least his moment with Jamie was heartbreaking. ‘Thousands of innocent for a not so innocent dwarf’ and everything else. Also Jamie ‘the stupidest Lannister’ YES. HE IS.
Cersei’s hair should have grown back by now. Guess she’s enjoying her pixie, makes her look more delusional and bitchy. But hey this episode’s queen bitch is not her. Also weren’t all dothraki and unsullied armies destroyed? Ok.
“I’m Arya Stark and I’m going to kill Queen Cersei”: Arya won the episode as usual. And Clegane as backup is the best. I love these 2 so much.
Dany’s entry was cool and I was glad she destroyed the scorpions but f*ck her. Also why does Jon always looks like he doesn’t know where he is and why he’s there. And I always liked Grey Worm and I get he was desperate for Missandei but unsullied were trained soldiers who follow orders, he turned into a crazy bloodthirsty monster and while I understand that the pain for Missandei was too strong, f*ck him. Looks like Dany’s most loyal servants are as violent and crazy as her. Jon having to stop his own allies from adding more carnage was painful to watch. And the fire and the victims as well. I hate everyone by now and I hope everyone who took part in that dies painfully. I hope Jon does something for real. His Queen is mad and so her army. I hope Arya does something about it, and Sansa. They all deserve to die. Starks are the only ones who deserve to live imo. Jon included.
#ringthefuckingbells
Euron vs Jamie kinda made me laugh. Well, at least Euron died satisfied.
Arya and Sandor was the best scene of the episode. What he told her, how gentle he was gentle with her, telling her not to become like him, just living for revenge. And Arya who never listens to others but she did listen to Sandor, and her thanks...heartbreaking.
No kidding I got emotional seeing Cersei crying. tbh I felt a lot for her despite all the shit she’s done. She was human, finally. But wtf. I mean. Clegane vs the Mountain ok, but Qiburn deserved a cooler death, that weirdo. But Cersei smartly taking off was hilarious. Until Jamie showed up. Their scenes were so symbolic, in the ruins of the 7 kingdoms’ map, then in the vaults...I liked them very much. Her breakdown was beautiful, Jamie keeping her close was beautiful, their death together, in the ruins of King’s Landing was very deep and meaningful. I liked it.
Also I never shipped Jamie/Brienne although they were cute, and Brienne: Tormund was the right guy!
But wait. What about the prophecy? the valonqar? Sorry??? NOw, if there was no prophecy I’d have been completely ok but the authors think the public is stupid or what, cause fans have a huge memory for details and this is a big one.
#fuckingdie
The Cleganes’ fight was so frustrating. And Sandor throwing the both of them in the fire was meaningful. I knew he’d die but I hoped he wouldn’t. He was Arya’s friend, in their own silent weird way. I loved the parallels between his scenes and Arya’s escaping and risking to die.
Arya’s scenes were all beautiful, the way she helped women escape instead of fighting, shows an evolution in her character, but after all she always helped if she could. Like Jaqen H'ghar, back when she first met him. And I liked the scene of her in the destruction. And the horse. Very poetic. And yes girl leave that hellhole and go back home. Or not. Go kill the mad queen lol
(btw: I’m not mad at characters. I’m mad at authors)
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