#Joker didn't see that coming
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Joker got beaten by Nightwing, Redhood and Red Robin ❌️
Joker got beaten by Mike Myers, Jason Voorhees and Jigsaw ✅️
#when Halloween costumes hide your identity better than your usual suits#next day headline gonna be “Joker got jumped by random civilians(?)”#Joker didn't see that coming#batfam#richard grayson#jason todd#tim drake#dcu
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#im not okay nor will i ever be!#he waited for bruce#he kept trying to talk#to buy time#but eventually he ran out of things to say#and he realized that bruce wasn't coming#he was replaced and abandoned#bruce seeing this film#seeing his jason tortured and marked#thinking he died#(and yet he still didn't want to kill joker? mm okay unrealistic)#“even after everything you've done i would’ve saved you” - arkham city batman to joker sincerely SHUT THE FUCK UP AINT NO WAY!!! BFFR#jason todd#bruce wayne#batman#red hood#arkham knight#the arkham knight#batman: the arkham knight#videogames#dcu#my gifs#ranting in tags#AS USUAL
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messy hair nace!
#joker out#nace jordan#nacko my beloved#i love him#maybe it's taken me a long time but i've come round to his hair like this#i would have said this could be the longest his hair has ever been but i have seen teenage nace photos with hair down to like his armpits#but it felt wrong to see baby nace so i didn't share them on here#nat's gifs
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i've had more than one friend harassed over fanfic/shipping now and i'm so fucking done.
i know i don't have a lot of followers and i'd hope most people around here don't do it but if you think this is in any way acceptable, unfollow me. there are real people behind the screen and bullying them and sending them hate is not justifiable at all.
if you don't like something, unfollow/block/ignore. move along.
#joker out#i'm sorry i know we should let the discourse die#i'm just tired of seeing people get hurt over this#and when it involves MY friends??? people i care about??? yeah sorry i can't do this shit#do i personally believe a lot of it comes down to the nature of internet communication which isn't always great for nuanced conversations#which then leads to situations escalating when they didn't have to?#yes i do and i mostly kept discussion about all of this limited to private spaces/convos with people i trust#and also i believe problems/tensions in the fandom had been brewing for a couple of months now lol#but right now it's just fucking impossible to even exist as a fan around here jfc#anyway fuck you if you send anon hate it doesn't matter to who it's pathetic
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ngl this was my favorite scene in episode 7
From the way Michelle just goes “oh? you’re dating my brother? I think that’s wonderful” to the way Chris steps on Finn’s foot when he tries to deny it and Finn’s like “fine I’m dating your brother (by implication)” it’s like,,, okay,,, so im trying my best to look at them objectively but i’m sorry???
#high card#highcard#Michelle Redgrave#Chris Redgrave#Finn Redgrave#Chris Redgrave/Finn Oldman#I love how the misunderstanding was never cleared up#and instead is only reinforced by Chris#Chelsea was the MVP of this episode though what a queen#also on my list of High Card ships: Chelsea/Chris/Finn#didn't see that one coming#you can bet im going to write more fanfics for this fandom based off this episode though#starting with more joker!Finn and traitor!Chris stuff#and then Chelsea/Chris/Finn and Finn/Chris stuff plus Michelle as I go
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Happy one year anniversary to me getting into Joker Out after having not slept for more than an hour each night for six days in a row (and having to work each of those six days) and then getting sick immediately after those six days on my first day off. It was a rough two weeks with such a wonderful light at the end of the tunnel.
This makes me look back at such a time with fondness because when I was first getting into them I would put their discography on shuffle and spend my mornings preparing pomegranates for myself.
#joker out#Yeah I didn't get into them at Eurovision time despite liking their song and enjoying seeing clips of them#I was a Käärijä fan from eurovision onward#but for some reason it took a fever to really get me into Joker Out#I've got such a special connection with Vse Kar Vem and it is really only fever induced#Fun fact I was also very very sick when the live album came out in December#Really scared for what illness I'm going to contract when the third studio album comes out#but are you really a Joker Out fan if you aren't sick at the same time as them?#lowkey feeling sick right now...so...Bluza maybe??
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one of my biggest wishes is for people to stop praising and admiring russian culture and language 🥰
#“omg umazane misli in russian wow so brave”#if singing in a language of a terrorist country is brave to you idk what to tell you educate yourself or smth#and ask yourself maybe why is singing in this language “brave”#“but they are innocent and didn't do anything wrong and probably don't support putin 🥺” i literally don't care#i'd exchange my knowledge of russian language (that i didn't ask for) for a handful of banana chips#writing this while i hear explosions btw (because of oh so brave people who speak russian and are so fucking proud of russian culture)#joker out#i'm not active in the fandom anymore so my opinion doesn't matter but i'm so fucking pissed i'm throwing it out there#i'm just a stereotypical angry ukrainian i guess#comes with seeing your country be destroyed
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tmwsl and the joker as a character
i'm of the opinion that one of the major reasons joker is so successful as a character is that, even more so than other fictional characters, he lends himself easily to a multitude of extremely varied interpretations -- he can be anywhere from chaotic or calculated, impulsive or meticulous, light-hearted or violence incarnate, a devil figure or simply a broken man, or all and none of these things, depending on how he's interpreted by the individual. in other words, he truly embodies the spirit of the joker card, in his versatility and mutability. and while it's certainly valid to dislike certain interpretations, it's reductive to act as if there's only one singular, objective "true" joker. and rosenberg seems to have a similar view:
"There's all these different interpretations and iterations, and it starts to become this real mystery in the real world of what this character is and what he can be... You'll get other people interpreting characters and redefining them and changing them, but the Joker doesn't have a solid foundation that we know..." (x)
rosenberg has said in interviews that his intention with the joker: the man who stopped laughing wasn't to radically alter how people view the joker:
"I sort of take issue with the idea of changing the way readers approach the Joker. I don't ever want to do that. That's not who I am as a writer... So, I'm hoping that in a year or two, when my story is out there, and there's more of it, it causes people to think differently, but I'm not trying to reinvent the Joker. I'm not trying to radically alter him." (x)
and i'm assuming that by "changing the way readers approach the joker" he means this:
"The whole idea is we're trying to challenge what you know about The Joker and what you think you know about him. I always feel like Joker works best when you have more questions about him than answers, and so we're trying to really raise as many questions and keep you unsure of what you know as it goes..." (x)
joker himself is a very meta character in the sense that he draws attention to the role that the audience plays in the re/creation of fictional texts, i.e. their interpretations -- and it seems that tmwsl is supposed to draw attention to that process of creation, of people constructing their own unique versions of characters. so when i say that tmwsl could be considered metafiction, or at least could be described as a very meta comic, i mean it in that sense -- but also, it's crafted so that there's compelling evidence for and against either joker being the "true" joker, and the art of this is that it forces readers to examine what they consider "in character" and "out of character" for their joker, or, more broadly, who joker is to them.
i understand why people might be irritated at the ending. but i think it fits well with the essence of joker as a character -- and yes, i know that i've been arguing that joker doesn't really have a true essence, and i'm not contradicting myself -- his mutability, fluidity, subjectivity, are some of the few aspects of his character present throughout every iteration; he's consistent in his inconsistency. on both an in-universe level and a meta level, he thrives on ambiguity, refuses categorization and clear answers. and the tmwsl ending reflects that on a textual level, which i honestly think is fantastic, and works uniquely well for this specific narrative.
anyway, what i'm trying to say is that while everyone is entitled to their opinion and it's entirely understandable why some people might not like this ending, i'd encourage people to read and evaluate it as a work of metafiction, or a kind of extended meta on joker as a character, rather than as a more conventional fictional narrative with all the expectations and standards that accompany it.
#hope to god this doesn't sound unbearably pretentious. bc that's not my intention shjdhdhfjfn#i can totally see why ppl wouldn't like it i swear#i'm like. ridiculously easy to please when it comes to media and i have a soft spot for works that are more open for interpretation than#making a clear statement#if that makes sense#that's just my silly little preference#and you're more than welcome to have your own preferences#anyway#this isn't to say that i think tmwsl is perfect#but i didn't mind the ending at all#joker#the joker#the man who stopped laughing
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Who wrote it? - part 11
Welcome to the eleventh poll of "Who wrote it?".
Today I present you the eleventh JO open stage letter from the 4th of August, and you'll vote on who you think wrote it
"ah, but they said only one person wrote all the letters" do you think one statement on discord without receipts is going to stop me from doing these polls?
#sorry for not doing this earlier#i was suppposed to post on sunday but with Bluza coming I was scared people would confuse the updates#ALSOOOOOOO#i noticed I skipped the 26th of may (i thought it was weird I hadn't done the kris selfie email I probably deleted or something because#i didn't see it when searching for it in my inbox)#anyways#joker out#who wrote it series
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What the fuck do you mean he woke up in his coffin alive, with like all of his injuries from his death, cracked open the wooden lid of his casket with nothing but a belt buckle and his hands, dug 6 feet out, while running out of oxygen, walked 12 and a half miles (and then maybe got hit by a car??!?)
And then during his Robin run, there was of course when he got beat up by the Joker and then got up to get the ropes off his mom
In legends he got beat up by an angry mob, was hospitalized, looks like he has a head injury as well as a broken arm and leg, and he just. Walks out and manages to find his way to the next gathering angry mob to try and stop em
He will not stay down and he will throw himself back into it as soon as he physically can, sooner sometimes
#also his “ive gotta do what i can to help-- even if it kills me!”#im. very normal about that#<-lying voice#is now a good time to mention i think of jaybin as vaguely suicidal and was very aware the warehouse could be a trap but went in anyway#because he had the chance to help and he doesn't value his own life that much. if i die i die kinda attitude. so long as he dies TRYING#which makes how they talk about his death even worse than it already is if you see it through that lens.#with the idea he didn't think he was going to survive#because no smidge of recklessness or an idea he could possibly fight the joker alone is there. just a child whos willing to die#also he gets beat up more than this theres more examples. but he just doesn't always very dramatically get up#im not. main tagging this. too embarrassed sorryy#dc liveblog#comic reference#crazy quilt. thats a notable fight too. he gots up rather quickly from that attack to get right back into it#apparently he took “at least 3 severe blows to the head”#he did get shot during the mad hatter fight but that one struggles to count here.#he was still back in the field sooner than he probably shoudve been#actually. how much does jason get hit in the head alone. here alone we have the mob. the quilt. and the joker as examples#literally no wonder he's wears a helmet after coming back#he shoukd keep the helmet#jason todd
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btw just to be clear bc this has happened multiple times already on this app that I have not, do not, and will never send anon hate especially to friends bc why the fuck would I do that
#idk i feel bad getting accused for shit I didn't do#i know I'm Highly Opinionated when it comes to art and the world and stuff but im also grown#i am on this app like sporadically too so i likely did not see any supposedly problematic post in terms of my supposed ethics#like damn!!#i told u im just some guy#ooc#everything is cool now bc again we're grown but ugh damn!! if this happens again im gonna go full joker on u all
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A bitch goes away for a few hours and suddenly all the girlies (gn) are theorizing mcr is breaking up again.... Pull the trigger piglet
#Has it leaked don't let me down bitch.... I will commit atrocities#If they scrapped lotms2 this is my joker moment....#Or mcr5. I think they will release lotms2 but ngl besties I'm scared#Like Idk if we can Gaslight gatekeep girlboss or <3 our way out of this one...#If they break up again I'm going sleeping with the fishes I can't do it girl fr#wow anna said something#As I said before I will see them bitch !! Manifesting that shit#We didn't come this far to only come this far#Mcr#My Chemical Romance#Mcr return
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WHAT DO YOU MEAN LADY GAGA IS GOING TO BE HARLEY QUINN
#lady gaga#joker 2#joker: folie à deux#harley quinn#i did not know this until now#I am so excited#And this is coming from someone who didn't even see the original joker film
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The batfam trauma candy salad would go absolutely insane.
Dick: Hi. I'm Dick Grayson and when I was 8 I watched my parents fall to their death in front of me, then I had to move away from everything I love and spend the rest of my life in some weird American city. And I brought the sour gummy worms.
Jason: This is so stupid- my mother used to kick me out when he drug dealer would come over so I didn't see her spending our very small amount of money on drugs.
Steph *off screen*: what did you bring?
Jason: nerds.
Cass: I was raised to be a weapon, a murderer. I brought peach rings.
Steph: I'm Steph and My dad was an alcoholic who thought he could go head to head with batman and outdo the riddler. And I brought Reese's pieces.
Tim: I'm Timothy Drake Wayne and I had left the house to try and find some guy before he killed my dad, just for him to kill my dad when I was gone. I brought sour rainbow strips.
Duke: My parents are in a mental ward, high on joker toxin. No one knows if they'll ever get better. And I got m&m's.
Damian: I am a highly trained assassin and-
Steph: cut. Cut. Damian. Civilian identities. Ok. Restart.
Damian: My mother randomly dropped me on some weird man's doorstep when I was ten. I brought rock candy.
#feel free to add more!!!#pleaseee add more#I might do a masked ver#itd be fun#tim drake#batfam#dc#red robin#batfamily#jason todd#dick grayson#robin#damian wayne#stephanie brown#cassandra cain#duke thomas#signal#orphan#spoiler#batgirl
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Robin lives batman saying he wanted to make the kids strong... worst word to use there I think lmao
#jason wanting to prove himself after the accident makes sense but dying or not dying after his brualisation wouldn't change his morals lmao#like that made him think “torturing” some thug for answers is cruel??? akdhakaj that's funny....#idk how to explain it but jasons morals on killing or torturing or whatever is based on his torture and killing.... because he doesn't see#the people he does it to as victims but as the agressor... what are we doing.....#like there is a whole arc (utrh) about it.... and i understand this is a what would happen if that didn't happen but...#it's the same character.... dying or not makes a change in the context jason lives not in his character i think...#he nearly died... what is the difference between him dying or not... he experienced the same thing and is now NOW alive to see the#repercussions first hand and immediately... i think thats whats interesting... jason and bruces relationship but each one is having a#breakdown on their own with the pyschologist meddling in between.... idk... and Alfred and dick do fuck all to jason lmao#like DICK WOULD BE THERE DOING SOMETHING!!! come on now...#and he gets the three jokers treatment but pg13.... alright whatever#idk if i believe jason would be doing this or bruce would be doing that bc putting the joker in here as an active player is just unnecessary#like change the whole plot and the trauma themes and do something else i dont care#talking tag#reading comics#robin lives#and also bruce is not dumb like he knows he doesnt take them in to make them STRONG lmao... his resemblance to dick is a punch in the face#and jason just charmed him imo like no need for resemblance i think.... the mirror comes after and bruce doesn't like what jason shows him
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The New Wayne Kid was different than any of his siblings.
Dick had been loud and boisterous. Jason loud and crass. Tim calm yet sarcastic. Duke was friendly and had a cutting wit for insults. Cassandra had been quiet and uncomfortable in social situations. Damian had clearly been uninterested in making friends with his acerbic personality.
Danny, the newest Wayne kid was different and he was different in a way that both fit in with the Gotham natives and made him stand out so even those without capes wanted to protect him. He was shy and quiet during social engagements. He flinched at sudden sounds and recoiled from unwanted contact.
Anyone with a brain in their heads knew that if you ended up a Wayne adoptee, you must have really gone through it. Only the most inane and brainless (like Vicki Vale) were jealous of the kids and called them lucky. Danny, however seemed some how even worse off.
Those who had survived the horrors that Gotham could throw at people recognized a similar look in Danny's eyes. They say the way his siblings closed in around him when someone said something off color, and the way he would almost stop breathing and zone out when sudden noises went off. They all knew he had faced the absolute worse humanity had to offer and was still putting himself back together after.
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There's a new bird that's flying through the Gotham skies. He doesn't fight, only following the others around keeping them safe and performing search and rescue. He had an uncanny ability to find people trapped in rubble after explosions or natural disasters. He would ignore the fighting going on around him to get civilians out of the line of fire.
He went by the call sign Black Bird, and like Black Bat, he was always silent as he moved communicating through simple gestures to victims that he was there to help. The other Bats were clearly protective of him, and cared deeply for their newest bird. Once Black Bird had fled from Bane who had used explosives to draw the Bats out and the other Birds took turns beating the snot out of Bane with and without his Venom.
Most of the rogues of Gotham realized quickly that Black Bird was off limits. Especially since he would save anyone no matter what side of the law that fell on. Rogue or Bat, Goon, Cop or Civilian. If you were hurt, trapped or out of a fight, he would get you out and get you to medical care.
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It was something of a tradition in Gotham city for Brucie to host a gala for the first birthday each of his kids celebrated with him. For better or worse. Dick had still been too new, too raw from his loss and Brucie wasn't as skilled at protecting his kids from the media during his first birthday. He had punched a reporter who had gotten in his face during the gala right in the teeth. Rumor was Wayne Industries paid for the reporter's dental care on the condition that they never take up the pen again.
Jason had been uncomfortable and wary during his birthday bash, and when Two Face had shown up to cause a scene and had snatched on of Jason's presents out of his grasp, the still half-feral street rat had tackled the man to the ground.
Cassandra had seemed mostly confused. She didn't recognize some of the presents or what they were for. However she was the only one who would turn down a gift before even opening it. She would look at each person coming up and turn most away before they could even offer a gift.
Tim and Duke had behaved mostly as expected during their bashes. Both of them had fake smiles plastered on their faces and had given bland thank yous for every present so it was impossible to tell if they liked it or not.
It was very easy to tell if Damian like things or not. He would closely inspect each gift as if he was Robin inspecting for bombs or poison, then declare the few he liked as, "Passable." Any that weren't deemed passable were harshly critiqued and tossed in a discard pile. No one had made note of the art supplies he had added to his keep pile until the next year when the gala also played host to some of his original paintings, including a stunningly realistic painting of a breathtakingly beautiful woman with brown skin and middle eastern garb.
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When it came time for Danny's turn, a few of the more cruel socialites had bets on whether the even would be a disaster or not. Of course any who were over heard making such comments were swiftly escorted from the premises. Some worried that it may have been too soon for Danny, he was clearly scared and uncomfortable being in the lime light.
However his midwest charm quickly won the doubters back. He seemed so genuinely thankful for every gift, no matter how small. He also wasn't without the sass that made living in Gotham bearable. If there was a gift that felt especially backhanded or petty, he was quick to roast the gifter to within an inch of their lives, slowly coming out of his shell and revealing a winning personality.
There were numerous coos when some reporter from Metropolis gave Danny a telescope. Some swore the kid had actual stars in his eyes and he had to be stopped by Tim and Damian from leaving immediately to set it up. The next several presents were over ridden by his excitedly spouting of facts about stars and planets.
The bright mood of the gala crashed like one of Danny's meteors when he opened the next present. He could only stare in horror, his already pale complexion losing all color. His hands shook and he looked on the edge of either vomiting or passing out.
Bruce raced to his side and after only a brief glance inside snatched Danny away from the gift with such vigor that the package fell from his nerveless grasp to fall open on the floor.
Inside, to the gasps of shock and fear from the watching crowd was a mutilated raven.
Both wings were messily cut off. Its chest was cut open, then stitched back closed, a ticking bomb with only a few minutes left on the clock had been placed inside. A red smile was painted across the raven's beak. The threat could only have come one sadist. The Joker.
Joker's threat was clear, even the new protector in Gotham wouldn't be able to keep Gotham's newest prince safe.
When Nightwing arrived moments later and defused the messy bomb, the rage on his face said that the bats were going to be taking both the threat to Black Bird and the threat to Danny Wayne very seriously. The clown better watch his back.
Bruce Wayne has a new adoptee that quickly stole the hearts of Gothamites for his personality. The birds gains a new baby brother that doesn't like to fly. The joker finds a new plaything.
Danny receives a mutilated crow and a smile on his birthday.
#dp x dc#adopted danny#wayne galas#i wrote way too much I hope you don't mind#I just like info dumping about personal headcanons for the characters#Like for instance Damian's painting of Talia remains one of the few clear pictures of her in existence#Ra's al ghul wants it destroyed but Talia can see the love with which it was painted and refuses#Its up in wayne manor next to the rest of the family portraits#also joker doesn't know about danny's history with vivisection and torture#he just lucked out and found the trauma mother lode#After this is the closest Joker comes to dying since he killed jason#genuinely i feel like this tradition is actually terrible for all of his adopted kids#and only exists at all because bruce didn't know how to care for kids when he had dick#and each subsequent kid wanted to live up to the image of the others even if they were uncomfortable#duke is the closest to “normal” at least from an outside stand point#he still chose to be robin and led a gang so he's certainly not normal even for a comic universe character
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