#Jesus as a hermaphrodite

[ahopefulbromantic]

Tysm for the reply, and such a detailed one with the links at that!!! It was fascinating to read!

I also have some thoughts:

Jesus combining Mary and thus becoming a hermaphrodite makes me think about Adam. The word for a male man ("ish") isn't used in the Bible until the creation of Eve, before that Adam is called just Adam - a human. This leads many to believe that he was created as intersex, either containing both sexes at once or none. And since the Church gives the title of The New Adam to Jesus and The New Eve to Mary, and since Jesus is to reverse Adam's sin and bring humanity back to its natural state from the original paradise, this image makes sense. If Adam was "split into" himself and Eve (he wasn't exactly and also it was God's idea not a result of sin but let's go with that for now) and lost the paradise afterwards, Jesus was "combined with" Mary, became the original perfect human, and regained the paradise.

The claim that 'wherever there's Jesus there's also Mary and vice versa' also seems in tune with the mariology of St Louis de Montfort (see: "True Devotion to Mary"), which is widely accepted by the Catholic Church even today - although to claim He's intersex because of that would be too far-fetched.

I have a whole argument and a half about how the crucifixion bears a lot of resemblance to the childbirth (like eg. the birth canal thing, frequently appearing phrase "of His wound the Church was born", John's Gospel using the Greek word kolpos when refering to both Jesus and His Father that could be translated either as a heart/breast or as a womb/female reproductive organs, Jesus kinda breastfeeding His children but with blood instead of milk, and because of it being very often likened to a pelican mother who medieval scholars believed to do the same, and so on).

A couple of images of female pelican being a symbol of Christ for anyone interested (fun fact! our parish priest has one garment adorned with the same image and it's my favorite piece of priestly clothing ever, I'm hyped whenever he wears it) :

Yay, St Wilgefortis mentioned! I love her and her legend, sometimes you ask Jesus for a way out and He gives you a beard. Although I only encountered versions of the story where she was female with a beard and some male features, not intersex, and her shoe falling off during the crucifixion, not some weird joke (also what's the joke cause I don't get it and you got me curious?).

As a side note, there are many other saints who defy our modern understanding of gender, the medieval times were very cool for that. Just to name my favorite few there are e.g. St Euphrosyne/Smaragd (a girl who wanted to stay virgin for Christ so she ran away from marriage to a male monastery where she did a Mulan on everyone for practically her whole life and the best things is, they found out eventually and they didn't kick her out cause "hey, you'll always be brother Smaragd for us, you're cool") and St Francis (yes that St Francis of Assisi, who when asking for a blessing to establish an order was said to tell the pope: "I am the Bride of Christ and this is the way He wants me to bear His children").

Those two below are both Euphrosyne!

And though it's interesting to see it done to His human form, depicting the Son as a woman isn't actually that recent. It dates back to the Old Testament and Lady Wisdom, a personification of God's wisdom from the Book of Proverbs, whom at least Catholic doctrine believes to be Word/the Son/Jesus, giving Jesus the title of Wisdom Incarnate. She was consistently depicted as a young, very beautiful woman.

While the understanding of concepts of sexual orientation and gender back then were very different to what we believe today so people most likely didn't identify as gay or trans, it's true that the Church was the most welcoming place (and still is apart from its highly conservative members, fight me) for everyone who was different, weird, or socially unacceptable. Yes you have to follow the morality and commandments of course, but the weirdness is never the issue. Heck, the Hebrew word for "saint" (kadosh) literally means "different/weird"! It seems they may have understood the assignment far better back then than we do today.

Hi! I saw a post where you mentioned intersex Jesus being a part of medieval European alchemy and I'd love to learn more about that. Could you elaborate or maybe provide links to some articles? I know some saint mystics talked about Jesus being our Mother, and the holy wound in His side was often likened to a birth canal, especially in medieval times. Is it connected to that in any way?

I'd love to elaborate! (This is going to be a long post so buckle up lol)

I will be using the word "hermaphrodite" instead of "intersex" because that is the word that primary sources from medieval Europe and contemporary medieval scholars use when talking about this subject

The best scholarly article I've found is "The Jesus Hermaphrodite: Science and Sex Difference in Premodern Europe" by Leah DeVun. It talks about how the image of the hermaphrodite was used in a metaphorical way by alchemists to show the combining/transforming of two different metals. They believed that certain metals/elements were gendered, so combining male and female "traits" would make something of a completely new sex; similar to the way they perceived hermaphrodites as both but also neither sex.

The article then goes on to talk about two medieval texts: Aurora consurgens and the Book of the Holy Trinity. Aurora consurgens is an alchemic text and has the image below in it. The hermaphrodite is holding a rabbit and bat, both of which were thought to be hermaphroditic species where both males and females gave birth, to emphasize their dual sexuality as well as the conflicting male and female attributes of alchemy.

The Book of the Holy Trinity transitioned from the traditional alchemic hermaphrodite, like seen above, into the religious sphere by arguing that Jesus and Mary were two sides of the same coin. The author of the text says, "one can never see the mother of God without also seeing that God eternally hides and intermingles [his mother] within him. God was and is eternally his own mother and his own father, human and divine, his divinity and his humanity intermingled within. And he depends on that which he wishes to be hidden most of all within himself, the divine and the human, the feminine and the masculine." This makes Jesus/Mary a hermaphrodite.

As a bit of a fun side note to your ask, the author of the Book of the Holy Trinity gives a few more supporting points to his argument and then turns to say that as Christ contains Mary, He also contains the Antichrist which the Book illustrates like this:

The idea of the hermaphrodite Christ really took off after that and boosted the cult of Saint Wilgefortis, saint of monsters. Images of the hermaphrodite Wilgefortis were often indistinguishable from images of Christ because they were both depicted on a cross but where they both have beards, Wilgefortis only has one shoe on: a playful medieval illusion to female sex organs. Images of Saint Wilgefortis below (some images from the 1800s, some from the 1400s). You can read more about Wilegfortis in Bearded Woman, Female Christ: Gendered Transformations in the Legends and Cult of Saint Wilgefortis by Lewis Wallace.

About a hundred years later, “The Lamentation around the remains of Christ,” below, was made depicting Jesus with breasts and feminine curves. Not much is known about it and Christ's hermaphroditic traits weren't even discovered until it was restored in the 21st century. Because of how recent this discovery is, not much scholarly work has been published on it, but I did find this: "The androgyny of Christ" by H. Valdes‑Socin. It is now at the Museum of Notre-Dame à la Rose Hospital in Lessines, Belgium.

And you're absolutely right about Christ's stab wound being like a birth canal! I think the article Mysticism and queer readings of Christ’s Side Wound in the Prayer Book of Bonne of Luxembourg by  Dr. Maeve K. Doyle does a good job of explaining it. Dr. Doyle says, "The image of the side wound, ... grants feminine bodily attributes to Christ, destabilizing assumptions about his gender. In mystical images and texts, Christ’s capacity to transcend the gender binary, like his capacity to transcend the binary of life and death, underscores his divinity." Dr. Doyle then goes on to talk about how images of the stab wound looking like a birth canal would also be comforting to medieval women, trans people, and homosexuals on both sides. Now I'm not Christian but I think it's really amazing that such a simple image can elicited so much comfort and joy in so many groups of people who were not able to fully be themselves in the era they lived in. It was a reminder that even Christ was like them, their feelings were valid (to an extent), and that Jesus loved them anyway. Medieval Jesus stab wounds below for people interested.

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Just for fun here are some more cool things!

A medieval wooden architectural relief with a person with a beard, phallus, and breasts

Potta di Modena Metope/The Hermaphrodite (left) and detail from the Southern Archivolt (right) of the Modena Cathedral Modena, Italy, c. 1099-1319, Marble reliefs

The Potta di Modena Metope (left) is damaged because people in the 1500s thought it was too sexual/offensive so they vandalized it

More journal articles:

Bearded Women in Early Modern England by Mark Albert Johnston

The Third Sex: The Idea of the Hermaphrodite in Twelfth-Century Europe by Cary J. Nederman

Transvestites in the Middle Ages by Vern L. Bullough

[themovementgeneration]

Yesterday - The Beatles

"Silent Night" Holy Night~...

The movie "Brain on Fire" is Garbage

Gepetto v.s Mary Shelley would be an insane movie though

Los Alamos was Crazy, I think im seeing colors again smh...mhmm spam. Roses are red violets are blue. I remember like it was Yaesterday...pop-pies. July frourth was the shiet. I can almost taste the fireworks. :P like some jolly ranchers spiked

Man I love School...

toemato tomato string theory is still string theory

SHOE me what you have Puppet of Andy cheeks :}

Honey Nut Cheerios was smacking back in the day. Honecombs a close matchup but as a collector I gotta go with Wheaties. NBA is still NBA

[galusandmalus]

"For instance, Jupiter himself was in love with Ganymede ; Poseidon with Pelops ; Apollo with Cinyras, Zacyinthus, Hyacinthus, Phorbas, Hylas, Admetus, Cyparissus, Amyclas, Troilus, Branchus the Tymnaean, Parus the Potnian, Orpheus; Dionysus with Laonis, Ampelus, Hymenaeus, Hermaphrodites, Achilles ; Asclepius with Hippolytus, and Hephaestus with Peleus ; Pan with Daphnis ; Hermes with Perseus, Chrysas, Theseus, Odrysus; Hercules with Abderus, Dryops, Jocastus, Philoctetes, Hylas, Polyphemus, Haemon, Chonus, Eurystheus."

-CLEMENS ROMANUS et CLEMENTINA

NEVER LET BRO COOK AGAIN WHAT IS HE ON

some mfs just yap. aint no fucking way half of these ever met the other half, and ain't no way they ever would be romantic. some of the pairings are fun. I like Dionysus and Hermaphroditus but some of the others... Jesus.

im pretty sure some of these are misspelled too.

[sleepymarmot]

Book of the Holy Trinity. Late 15th century, after 1467. Munich, Bayerische Staatsbibliothek -- Cgm 598. (Illustration gallery | Full book) (Wikipedia)

Сentral to the Book of the Holy Trinity is the author’s claim that Christ contains within him his mother, the Virgin Mary, who comprises his feminine principle, as well as the principle of his humanity. The author states that ‘‘one can never see the mother of God without also seeing that God eternally hides and intermingles [his mother] within him. God was and is eternally his own mother and his own father, human and divine, his divinity and his humanity intermingled within. And he depends on that which he wishes to be hidden most of all within himself, the divine and the human, the feminine and the masculine.’’ The author further emphasizes the inseparable nature of Christ and Mary: The humanity of bright Mary was the interior and exterior humanity of God Jesus Christ all made together; he had not and has no other humanity. The two are thus eternal without end . . . And they have been eternally one, the Divinity Jesus Christ, which cannot and could not be separated eternally from his exterior humanity, thus Jesus-Mary is and was one being in the same substance. According to this view, Christ is the ultimate hermaphrodite, a unity of contrary parts—the human and the divine, the male and the female—much as Petrus Bonus described the philosophers’ stone as multiple pairs of incongruous qualities. The author of the Book also explicitly equates the hermaphrodite Christ with the hermaphrodite stone [...] The author of the Book appears to have borrowed and conflated earlier images of the philosophers’ stone as Christ with understandings of the stone as hermaphroditic, arriving at a vision of the hermaphroditic Christ-stone. As in Petrus Bonus’ text, the narrative of the stone’s life and Christ’s life become one: both are nature and supernature, male and female, human and divine—the poles of the spectrum tethered together. The alchemical hermaphrodite is an eminently desirable union of opposites that transcends the normal operations of nature, a disruption akin to metal transmutation, the ultimate goal of the alchemist’s work. Hermaphroditism is for the author of the Book such a significant trope that it characterizes not only Christ, but also Antichrist. [...] Because Antichrist was in all senses a perversion of Christ, he had to share in and subvert all of Christ’s attributes, including his hermaphroditic nature. As Jesus contained the Virgin Mary and the female sex within him, so Antichrist also would contain his own mother. A dramatic pair of illuminations represents these paired entities—the good Jesus-Mary hermaphrodite and the evil Antichrist hermaphrodite—a melding of male and female bodies in the costumes of kings and queens. In the image of the Antichrist hermaphrodite, a serpentine monster extends two snakelike appendages to wrap around the legs of the hermaphrodite. One appendage ends in a male head, the other in a female head; they press their faces together near Antichrist’s groin, suggesting the figure’s hermaphroditic genitalia. These images resemble the fifteenth-century illumination of Ovid’s Salmacis and Hermaphroditus or the Aurora consurgens’ conjoined hermaphrodite, and they suggest a single entity that embodies contrary male and female qualities in equal proportions.

DeVun, Leah. "The Jesus Hermaphrodite: Science and Sex Difference in Premodern Europe." Journal of the History of Ideas 69, no. 2 (2008): 193-218.

[theic-manic]

Furthermore to the whole Debunking Ostara thing:

Saint Mary

The idea that a hare could reproduce without loss of virginity led to an association with the Virgin Mary, with hares sometimes occurring in illuminated manuscripts and Northern European paintings of the Virgin and Christ Child. It may also have been associated with the Holy Trinity, as in the three hares motif.

However, the iconographic connection between the hare and Easter has a much more serious meaning. In Medieval and early modern iconography the hare is in fact a symbol of the virgin birth of Jesus. To understand why it is so we should go back to Roman scholars such as Pliny and Plutarch, widely read in Christian Europe. They believed that hares were hermaphrodites and could reproduce without loss of virginity. The theory was false but had a grain of truth: European brown hares can develop a second pregnancy whilst the previous litter is not delivered yet.

A magnificent example of the Christian symbolism of the hare/rabbit appears in Titian’s “Madonna of the Rabbit,” presently at the Louvre and finished probably in 1530. Here the rabbit is in a position symmetrical to the Christ Child, and declares that his birth has been from a virgin and miraculous. The Christ Child is entrusted by Mary to another woman, Saint Catherine of Alexandria. This is an anachronism, since Catherine was born more than 250 years after Jesus died, but many scholars have seen here an allusion to the fact that Titian’s wife had just died while giving birth to her daughter Lavinia, which was given to the painter’s sister Orsa to be raised.

It is probable that when he produced his “Madonna of the Rabbit,” Titian was aware of “The Assumption of Mary Magdalene,” painted in 1506–1507 and then in the Church of Saint Andrew of the Eremitani Augustinians in Ferrara. It is now in Ferrara’s Pinacoteca Nazionale. The painter, whose name is unknown, is so much connected to this painting that he is referred to as the “Master of the Assumption of the Magdalene.”

The hare on the lower right corner has been interpreted by some of a symbol of lust and the legend regarding Mary Magdalene as a former prostitute. Indeed, there was a negative Christian symbology of the hare as a lustful animal as well. However, within the context of Mary’s ascension, it is more probable that the hare represents the Christ and his virgin birth.

Titian’s Easter Bunny: A Very Serious Business

Saint Melangell

Saint Melangell was a female saint of the 7th century. According to tradition she came here from Ireland and lived as a hermit in the valley. One day Brochwel, Prince of Powys, was hunting and pursued a hare which took refuge under Melangell’s cloak. The Prince’s hounds fled, and he was moved by her courage and sanctity. He gave her the valley as a place of sanctuary, and Melangell became Abbess of a small religious community. After her death her memory continued to be honoured, and Pennant Melangell has been a place of pilgrimage for many centuries. Melangell remains the patron saint of hares.

[stabknives]

Begging you to write the big essay I am always eager to hear more on the subject

everyone only wants me for my angel fucking /j

stupidly long ramble under the cut.

Adjusts glasses. So I'm something of an amateur theologian. So. Please note none of this is form a formal education this is just me reading the bible and watching a lot of documentaries and shit. Still, it's a keen interest of mine, Christianity. I grew up SOMEWHERE in the bible belt. I shan't say more. The point is, I've been studying and debunking facts about Christianity forever. As a queer it was my divine right of kings to say actually you've never read the bible + I have + jesus never said that + ratio + do not pass go or collect 200 dollars.

All that said, we as a people are bound bu the fatal need to fuck an angel. Like I'm ace n blah blah but I want to fuck an angel. Um. Or rather I know an angel would want to fuck me, and the consent would be enthusiastic on my part but the angel is a trillion years old and can render my entire being vaporized in a second. And they choke and nearly vomit after because why why why did they do that it was one of the few things they weren't supposed to do INFINITE AGONY!!!! Now they've fallen. Whoopsies! They would thn likely blame me for this despite very clearly and obviously knowing better.

The urge to paint angels as like innocent schmoopsie doodles is FINE. That's fine. It's uh. Kind of silly but honestly, sex and kink in general is silly! You're allowed to get silly and inaccurate with it. That said, angels are monsters and terrifying to the highest caliber? They are vicious weapons made to serve The Lord who is kind of a fucked up guy in general but this isn't about him this is about his legion of scary sex toys.

Take nephilim for example. Debated offspring of humans and angels. This already raises a million questions. What do you- what do you mean. Why do they have genitals. Angels are most often described in the bible as being both sexes, hermaphroditic, but they're instantly banished from heaven if they have intercourse with human women. (Getting banished for sleeping with men isn't really mentioned? This either means that the sin is only reproductive in nature and an angelic body can't carry a nephilim to term or god is just like anal is cool it whatever I put the prostate there FOR that ahaha…)

Either way they did it anyway. What I'm saying is angels are so horny for humans it's making them crazy and evil. Which I love for normal reasons.

Angels are… seemingly prideful by nature. They love god most of all, but Lucifer refused to bow to humanity because he thought they were inferior to the lord! Um. Like how humans see animals, basically. Angels see us as sheep that need guiding, silly stupid things that are lovable but you wouldn't bow to them unless you're out of your fucking mind.

Hence why anyone that actually knows anything about Christian theology while also being an angel fucker (not a requirement by any means LMAO I'm just saying I can back up the facts here-!) would say there's no discussion to be had. Angels 1) basically view us as animals 2) they are UTTERLY monstrous. So repulsive and strange and shapeless and beautiful it'll burn your eyes out = a monster 3) they want to fuck us so bad. They are willing to disobey God, their maker and king and ultimate love, to do so.

So yes. For us it's monster fucking, for them it's the equivalent of bestiality. Morally wrong, ethically bankrupt. They are all more powerful and intelligent and older and all that shit thn any of us could ever be. You are probably safer around a demon thn any given angel that will see you and say be not afraid while they hyperventilate and their divine palms get all sweaty with holy glitter or whatever and they have to recite hymns internally so they don't just grab you and run like the fucking hamburgler.

There's a bunch arguments about this. Whether the so called sons of god that produced the nephilim were angels or what. Lot of the worst Christians you could ever meet will insist they were NOT the offspring of angels shuuuuut upppppppp angels don't do that ANGELS DON'T HAVE SEX!!! But why are they described with both sets of genitals if not to have insane bisexual threeway sex? Much to consider.

A lot of the bible is speculative. But some of it isn't. Angels are monsters for sure, though, and they definitely think of us as like. Lesser. Even if they do get sent to hell for saying the quiet part out loud. Genesis is weird. Me I think it's pretty obvious that it's in reference to angels, given there's mention of angels kept bound in chains-? (what) for all time due to unspecified sins committed unto mankind.

"The sons of God came unto the daughters of men," CAME? came you say. Jokes aside all of this is simultaneously true and untrue depending on who you ask because the Christian faith is a mess.

[dailydemonspotlight]

Attis - Day 57

Race: Kishin

Arcana: Hanged Man

Alignment: Light-Neutral

June 18th, 2024

It's odd that this is the first figure from Greek Mythology I'm covering, given how widespread it is throughout the series, honestly, but I'm not complaining. Something that I have to give SMT a lot of props for is how it goes into far more obscure things from mythology- sure, you've got your Thoth's, your Odin's, your Shiva's, and your Baphomets, but something this series does a lot that I adore is that it creates demons for some of the most obscure figures out there. Sure, it makes researching them difficult (a la Porewit) but the spotlights (heh) that this series shines on otherwise obscure figures is fantastic. Case in point, today's Demon of the Day, Attis.

While everyone knows the Greek pantheon, there are so many lesser gods in the sprawling labyrinth of Greek mythology, gods worshipped by obscure cults or left in the tradewinds of history. Attis, of course, was one of these gods, but he also had another reason- he was from a completely different mythological origin. In Phrygian myth, the archetypical 'Mother Nature' was a character named 'Cybele,' who has her own tonnes of myths to tell. However, when the Greeks began to subsume into the rest of the Phrygian people, she was met with a mixed response. Some took her to become a new form of Gaia, the Greek goddess of nature, while others took off and painted her as an exotic goddess whose meaning couldn't be known. Now, what does this have to do with Attis? He was her consort.

The tales surrounding Attis are, and I cannot stress this enough, insane. Everything happens in them from weird amounts of hatred towards an intersex prophetic child, to a cycle of life and rebirth, and I'm a bit scared of going into it, but... okay. Let's do this. Recanted in Catullus 63, the first recorded tale of Attis begins with, and I'm not kidding, him castrating himself. Right off the bat. Yup, this is one of those stories. And I quote,

Over the vast main borne by swift-sailing ship, Attis, as with hasty hurried foot he reached the Phrygian wood and gained the tree-girt gloomy sanctuary of the Goddess, there roused by rabid rage and mind astray, with sharp-edged flint downwards dashed his burden of virility. Then as he felt his limbs were left without their manhood, and the fresh-spilt blood staining the soil, [text]

We just got here! Okay, okay, I'll continue. The story goes on to describe the aftereffects, and the motivation for this sudden castration, that being a fanatical obsession with the nature goddess, Cybele. After he awakens in likely the world's first (and worst) hangover, he looks out and bemoans his fate, having been left behind by his companions who had already run to pursue the goddess. However, from what I can tell of this story, given the confusing wording, the goddess grants the man permission to drive one of her nuns to 'his allegiance.' I can assume this means someone in his home kingdom, but I'm not very sure? It might be referring to the goddess herself. My lack of knowledge in ye olden terms has made this a headache and a half. Later in the story, after his self-mutilation led to his death, he would later be revived by Cybele, becoming her consort.

A later addition expands on this, giving light to Attis' birth- in the story regarding it, it begins with, as always, Zeus being Zeus. In the tale, he fell in love with Cybele, who didn't return his advances, but... of course, with him being himself, he forced himself on her. Her child would later be reared, a deity called Agdistis who was notable for being a hermaphrodite, essentially 'male and female.' For whatever reason, the gods got terrified of how particularly powerful they were, and proceeded to... castrate Agdistis. What the fuck is with the castration?! Jesus Christ! From the blood left behind, an almond tree spurted forth, and a nearby woman named Nana would decide to take an almond and put it in her bosom. Okay. This led to her getting pregnant. Okay. Later on, she would give birth to the newborn Attis, before promptly throwing the kid out into the nature, to which he was soon raised by a goat. Oh kay.

A lot of stuff relating to Attis has been lost to time, especially given that he was only really worshipped in, you guessed it, cults. Originally, separated from the Greek mythology he would later be co-opted into, a cult formed surrounding him in 1250 BCE, in-and-around an area of modern-day Turkey called, and I kid you not, Dindymon. Originally worshipped as a semi-deity in the area, he would later become slowly integrated into Greek mythology as several Greek cults began to form surrounding Attis around the fourth century BCE. In Phrygian culture, later adapted into Greek, Attis was a deity who represented vegetation and the cycle of fruits- particularly, the castration story (yes, again) represented the idea of fruits dying in the winter then coming back in the spring; the date of Attis's revival, that being the spring equinox, is no coincidence. Frankly, though, as pretty as this concept is, the absurd amount of castration in his stories is just... Why? Why are you like this, Greek Mythology?

Okay, now with all of that over with, how is he portrayed in the series? I honestly really like his design. The bandages and the blade make him look rather unique, and I really do enjoy just how bizarre he looks. Wait, but is the reason why his legs are separated from his body...

No.

You have got to be fucking KIDDING ME.

IT'S CASTRATION AGAI

[a-loverspoetry]

„Woke“: Jesus was transgender because Mary was a woman and a virgin only having two X chromosomes

Woke!: Mary was a hermaphrodite therefore having both X and Y chromosome and just looked like a woman but was able to give birth to a XY Jesus!

[sunnypaganblog]

Helllooooo!! I am Sunny, and this is a blog for my experiences with Paganism, my deities, and my experiences with attempting to learn Witchcraft since I've always been very drawn to it. Keep in mind, I'm still kinda new into this, so if I make any mistakes, please be gentle with me. I have my own set of beliefs regarding Paganism—which I will list along with other info here.

Beliefs

- Magic and Witchcraft

- Basically every God out there

- Soul Parents

- Astral Projection

- The Multiverse

- Clairaudience

- Messages through dreams

- Past Lives

Deities I worship: Aphrodite, Hermes, Hecate, Apollo, Ares, Lillith, Lady Isis, (and Hades?? I think?? He is my mentor guide apparently, so—).

Relationships with my deities!

Soul parents: Hermes, Aphrodite, Lady Isis, Thor.

(EDITED: Lord Zeus and Lady Hera may also be my soul parents??? Unsure)

Mentors: Hades, Hecate (according to her, she knew me in a past life and was my mentor before and is still my mentor now), Ares.

Sibling figures or other familial figures of mine: Odysseus (like a dad to me), Apollo (like a brother and uncle to me), Zeus (like a very respected dad to me but also a mentor).

Deities I've spoken to but am not sure what the word for my relationship with them is yet lmao: Lord Konshu, Lord Loki, Jesus Christ (apparently according to a reading I did one time), The Morrigan (who is one of my guides), Lady Nyx, Lady Eos, Lady Thalassa, Lady Hera, etc.

Dionysus, Apollo and Aphrodite have also had a presence in my life since childhood! But I've recently gotten back into contact with Dionysus cuz I unironically missed him and decided to reach out 😭😭

I will say this here and now—again, I am using alternative means of communication for stuff like Tarot right now, and I happen to own a Pendulum and can do coin readings. But I am in no way reliable for private or public readings right now jdhdj. Least I don't think I am. I also communicate with my deities through things I sense or through my gut feelings too??? But I'm not sure how reliable that would be for a tarot reading.

I also see every deity who's related to my soul parents as related to me as well, so I see deities like Eros and Hermaphrodite as my siblings even if I haven't spoken to them yet lol. I know they aren't technically, but I can't help but see em that way./lh

Either way, I don't wanna start shit, and I want this to be a fairly peaceful blog about my Pagan Journey, so please don't try fighting me! Other than that, I have no problems with whoever interacts as long as they don't act stupid or creepy or weird./gen

With that being said, let's get things started!

[flyingseacow]

So we all agree Ishmael so very very autistic, and in my personal view chapter 86 is the absolute pinnacle of it.

Also, well. All this:

And whatever they may reveal of the divine love in the Son, the soft, curled, hermaphroditical Italian pictures, in which his idea has been most successfully embodied; these pictures, so destitute as they are of all brawniness, hint nothing of any power, but the mere negative, feminine one of submission and endurance, which on all hands it is conceded, form the peculiar practical virtues of his teachings.

Ishmael: Jesus is such a twink!

In man or fish, wriggling is a sign of inferiority

Care to elaborate Ishmael? No?

Though all comparison in the way of general bulk between the whale and the elephant is preposterous, inasmuch as in that particular the elephant stands in much the same respect to the whale that a dog does to the elephant.

Ishmael: I know I just talked a lot about elephants, but never ever mistake this for awe, whales are a billion times more cool than elephants! So write that down!

[little-cereal-draws]

Does anyone know if there were any ancient connections between Hermes/Mercury and Jesus?

I know when Christianity was gaining popularity in ancient Rome, conflating Zeus/Jupiter and Jesus was popular because they’re both kings of Heaven and it was easy to explain this new god to people who had only known the Roman pantheon. And there were lots of sculptures and drawings of Jesus and other Christian religious figures modeled after Roman Emperor equestrian portraits because it showed power and leadership.

But to me it would make sense to combine Hermes/Mercury and Jesus.

Both are messengers for their heavenly, king of Heaven dad. Both spend a lot of time with mortals and assist in daily life. Both assure souls to the afterlife (although in different ways). Both have connections/epithets about shepherding (tho Hermes’ is more literal). This was more in the Middle Ages rather than Christian Rome, but they both have ties with intersex bodies. (A part of European alchemy was intersex Jesus and Hermes’ kid was Hermaphrodite.) I’m sure there are other things I can’t think of at the moment.

Does anyone know if there was a connection either visually or culturally between them?

[josesebastianmurillodiaz]

Rudriel was responsible for killing Elizabeth Short because she dressed in black and reminded Ashliel of a succubus in particular. Rudriel tells some men, especially those who dress as women or are androgynous like hermaphrodites since they have both genders X and Y, Rudriel tells a bishop; what a great experience it is to live in fear, right? that is the language of slave women, the bishop says; I am a man, I am also afraid, Rudriel says; not entirely you have both genders, and the fear that she feels is transmitted to you because both inhabit the same body. Rudriel likes to use names of religious figures, he likes to use the name of Jesus to manipulate Christians, the man of Allah to manipulate Muslims to kill, and he likes to use the name of Satan to manipulate Satanists, an example is Richard Ramirez, Rudriel says; That religion was only information to save themselves but they use it to kill in the name of a "god."

[sleepymarmot]

Alchemy borrowed ideas and vocabulary freely from medical and religious conversations, using familiar stories and images to explain sophisticated states of chemical change by analogy. As a result, alchemical texts are rife with medical images of human reproduction, religious images of death and resurrection, and even hermaphrodites. Because the alchemical hermaphrodite was a symbol and not a person capable of illicit behaviors, it carried with it few of the negative connotations associated with intersex humans, who were classified as ‘‘monsters’’ in moral and medical texts, and who were treated with equal parts curiosity and disapprobation. But the alchemical hermaphrodite depended upon understandings of intersex people in medieval society, and it therefore shared in some of the transgressive elements of intersex, as I shall argue below. Even so, the composite nature of the hermaphrodite was elevated to an ideal in alchemical literature, leading authors to a startling conclusion. Alchemical texts played upon the metaphorical parallelism of the philosophers’ stone and Jesus Christ to claim Christ him/herself as a hermaphrodite, the perfect combination of contraries—masculine and feminine, human and divine—in one body.

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Medical discussions of hermaphrodites often figure in chapters devoted to ‘‘monsters’’ (usually meaning humans with birth defects), which authors attempted to explain according to the various theories of generation. A thirteenth-century medical tract, De secretis mulierum (attributed to Albert the Great, but likely written by one of his followers) places its analysis of hermaphrodites within a customary discussion of monstrous births. The author notes that while a hermaphrodite participates in both male and female natures, he should always be called ‘‘male’’ simply because the male is the worthier sex. While the author views hermaphrodites as a combination of masculine and feminine qualities, he nevertheless determines the hermaphrodite’s sex according to the value of men and women within a binary gender system. Other authors discuss hermaphroditism in the context of not only monsters, but also sodomy or other forms of sexual deviance, or they attempt to fix the ‘‘true’’ sex of a hermaphrodite in terms of sexual activity and passivity. In his Summa de confessione, written about 1216, Peter of Poitiers cites hermaphrodites as a part of his polemic against masturbation, which Peter claims is more monstrous than sodomy, ‘‘since the person practicing it is both active and passive, and thus as if man and woman, and as if a hermaphrodite.’’ A similar association between hermaphroditism and sodomy appears in Peter the Chanter’s twelfth-century De vitio sodomitico, which warns that the hermaphrodite should be permitted to use only the sexual organ ‘‘by which s/he is more aroused, or the one to which s/he is more susceptible.’’ In order to avoid engaging in sodomy, the hermaphrodite must perform sexually as either a man or a woman, but never as both. These medieval texts emphasize the problematic nature of individuals who do not fit easily into binary sex categories. Despite the continuum of sex difference proposed by the Hippocratic/Galenic model, Pseudo-Albert, Peter of Poitiers, and Peter the Chanter limited the transgressive potential of a hermaphrodite by establishing him/her firmly within either one of two genders—he/she cannot be neither or both in social contexts. As noted, hermaphroditism was also readily associated with sexual practices considered deviant or undesirable, such as masturbation or sodomy. And because monstrous births were often thought to result from some secret sexual sin of the parents, hermaphrodites may have been doubly connected to sexual vice. These examples suggest that hermaphrodites were a source of confusion and even suspicion to their contemporaries, necessitating their division into binary gender categories of male and female, and conveying the extent to which neitherness and bothness had the potential to threaten social and natural norms.

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It is worth noting that the alchemical hermaphrodite stands in stark contrast to the ambiguous position of intersex people in premodern society. Unlike the deformed monster of De secretis mulierum or the suspect figure of De vitio sodomitico, the Jesus-Mary hermaphrodite of the Book of the Holy Trinity is presented as an ideal. The hermaphroditic philosophers’ stone and the hermaphroditic Jesus transmuted metals and redeemed humans by means of their special and paradoxical both-neither natures. So why was it permissible for both-neither hermaphrodites to exist in alchemy, but not in society? The hermaphrodite in alchemy was of course a purely intellectual conceit. There was no danger of alchemical hermaphrodites committing sodomitical acts or creating confusion about their genders in social or juridical contexts. Nevertheless, there was something transgressive about them. The fluidity of sexes in the alchemical hermaphrodite hinted at the fluidity of boundaries between metals, which alchemy argued could be changed through the art of the alchemist. Whether the boundaries in question divided the sexes or the categories of humanity and divinity, the hermaphrodite of alchemical literature indicated that such boundaries were crossable. In later centuries, the image of the alchemical hermaphrodite provided an opportunity to question contemporary gender roles and sexuality, as scholars such as Kathleen P. Long have shown. Furthermore, the crossing of boundaries in alchemical literature was linked to not disorder or confusion, but the creation of something precious. The hermaphrodite was a necessary agent in the transmutation of gold and silver; it was a means to understand the God-man that was Jesus, the agent of human salvation.

DeVun, Leah. "The Jesus Hermaphrodite: Science and Sex Difference in Premodern Europe." Journal of the History of Ideas 69, no. 2 (2008): 193-218.

[imonabitchparade]

Are there hermaphrodites in the omegaverse? Is that even possible? Is Jesus the beta fish of the omegaverse?

i wanted to double check on that revelations quote bc it’s been a hot minute since i read the bible and found this gem i cannot open on the work computer but did make me ugly laugh

[goddeityess-religion]

Jesus is more often male in overall eternal time and I am more often female in overall eternal time, so we have different names than each other, but we are the same person. Jesus is my identical twin, my twin flame! Jesus is my eternal groom! We are all bisexual people. There are 4 legitimate genders. Male, female, hermaphrodite, and transexual. Hermaphrodite is when you have both gender part completely, one above the other. When we have salvation, we have sex with both gender parts at the same time. When you are hermaphrodite, you have mini breasts or bigger pecks, depending how you look at it. Hermaphrodites are called, “we” instead of “he” or “she”. When you are Transexual, you have breasts and a penis or no breasts and a vagina. It’s when you are switching back and forth between male and female. I think we are our most often gender 40% of the time, hermaphrodite 30% of the time, opposite gender 20% of the time and transsexual(transgender) 10% of the time! With gay guys, they always say there is a girl in the relationship and a boy in the relationship and it’s because even though they are both the same gender right now, one is more often female in overall eternal time and more is more often male in overall eternal time! True families look a like for real! And we ALL have a lot of identical twins, fraternal twins, other brothers and sisters as well as cousins, a bunch of parents and aunts and uncles, grandparents. Identical twins are twin flames, fraternal twins are twin souls, and other brothers and sisters are soulmates. I guess we need to name the rest of it. Families that have DNA are related and there is no such thing as incest. All DNA families are related some and there is no such thing as incest for them. Families that have RNA do have incest, but all of the families that have RNA are related some and they all have incest. The evil people have RNA and are non-binary and are called queers! The evil people do not know how to read, but they always act like they do. I’ve proven that they can’t see very well or very much either. It’s like they can see though. They can’t read though and that’s the power of the pen!

[sight-decoding]

"Religion is a wormhole; it is a multidimensional, collapsible bridge in space that only a thirteen-year-old girl in the bloom of life can open... According to Ancient Etruscan Sybils, the teenage priestesses who established the norms for much of Roman culture, religion is a method of cosmic tunneling; it's a practice that creates a fluid structure through which dark-matter-breathing beings can travel in order to possess their maddened devotees. The ancient world believed religion was a resonant span across the fabric of space time; and ancient clerics taught that it's thermodynamic seal could be forcefully broken open with the songs of maidens.

The Romans spoke classical Latin. Their word "religio" from which we derive our modern English word "religion" means "ligature' or "binding". Modern historians, overly influenced by their own Christian cultural lens, have interpreted this to mean religion is something that binds us to do and say certain things in celebration of divinity; in other words, religion is what we owe the gods. Nothing could be further from the historical actuality. In Rome, "religio" was simply the cosmic tie that bound the Earth-plane to the rest of the multiverse. It was a means to an end; it was a force of extra-dimensional attraction.

In the Greco-Roman way of thinking, gods are the cosmic bloom of existence."

~ David C. A. Hillman, PhD., 'Hermaphrodites, Gynomorphs and Jesus'

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