#I loved buck and abby but ​I wasn’t a fan of buck and taylor (loved both individually tho) so maybe this time I’ll like the relationship

[bisexualmultifandommess]

Natalia is actually really sweet I like her a lot and I think her and Buck are nice together.

[unrealisticlea]

also you wanna know another great reason Tommy is great for Buck??? Because he’s not a fan. Every single one of Buck’s previous girlfriend kinda idolized him for a reason or another. Ali and Taylor were victims he rescued. Natalia was a huge fan of him dying. Abby saw him on the news first.

Being your partner’s fan is actually a good thing, except for the fact that Buck always equates love=usefulness and the fact that his girlfriends were fans made him feel like he had some standards to maintain. There was extra pressure in the relationships because they had expectations and he desperately wanted to meet their expectations. So the relationship always started with Buck trying to impress them but he never knew when to stop.

but with Tommy there’s no pressure whatsoever. Tommy obviously likes him but he likes him because Buck shouted that their motto (as people who save lives for a living) should be “who cares!”. He likes him after Buck accidentally maimed his best friend in a dumb basketball game. He likes him after Buck made a fool out of himself during their date and then invited him to his sister wedding and an 80-themed bachelor party and he likes him after he pouted because Tommy wasn’t wearing a costume.

and Tommy doesn’t make fun of him in the same way his family does but he still jokes about how ridiculous he is (“mhmmm so not like that” and “they had Henleys in the 80s”) and Buck needs someone like that, someone who will lift him up when he’s down (“Evan, I think you’re adorable” and “you already know I’m interested” and “it’s not like I could ever replace you. Chris would have something to say”) but will also ground him when Buck gets a big head and starts having unrealistic expectations about himself.

so Tommy likes Buck because he’s Buck. Even better, he likes Buck because he’s Evan.

[nqueso-emergency]

Buddie being a a more popular ship doesn’t erase the fact that bucktommy is also popular. Infact this is hands down the most popular relationship Buck had ever been in romantically when it comes to social media. I didn’t see many talking about his previous gfs the way they’re talking about Tommy. Some enjoyed Abby yes but everyone loves Connie anyway so I wasn’t shocked. Ali was cute but blink and she’s gone. Taylor had a love/hate reaction. The ga seemed to enjoy her hence Tim and Kristen bringing her back FOUR FUCKING SEASONS IN A ROW, buddies loathed her (wonder why) And everyone hated Natalia because it was just so random, she likes you because u died bro. In general people have talked the most about his relationship with Tommy. Yes buddie has way more fans but y’all are 6 years in shipping these men. We have 6 months so far of a short season. And the reaction isn’t bad (apart from of course … buddies) There’s definitely bucktommy fans! They’ve shown up when they needed to, they just aren’t loud because .. their ship is cannon. What is there to scream about? We left the season happy.

[canichangemyblogname]

Not sure how I feel about the deleted scene drop. I understand 100% why they originally cut it— it’s kinda a useless scene (they would cover or already had covered the same narrative bases in other scenes) that would have thrown the pacing of the episode in a very short season already not renowned for it’s fantastic pacing (y’know… because it’s so short). Plus, imho, the dialogue (writing) comes across as… out of place (if that’s the right word). It’s a bit of an awkward scene. But maybe that’s because I think “shovel talk” (as other fans have called it) over a 34 y/o man is a bit cheugy and I’m also not enjoying the “mother of the 118” role that ABC seems to want to box Hen into (I’m also begging y’all fans to stop calling black women and queer people “sassy”).

I also couldn’t figure out if Tommy was playing dumb or actually that dense, so, at first, the scene seemed— at least to me— like a 180 for a character that has otherwise been portrayed as competent and perceptive. (EDIT: I’ve been leaning toward “he was playing dumb” over “he’s really that dense.” Also, Tommy *does not* strike me as the type to “play dumb” to avoid a question, especially from someone he has a good rapport with, as some fans are suggesting; he strikes me as the type to approach a goofy situation with an old friend with some dry humor. Doesn’t mean my first reaction wasn’t, “🙄 Don’t play dumb, now.”) However, his dialogue did provide some comedy and levity 🤷‍♂️, and I do agree with analyses that paint the whole interaction as a back ‘n forth teasing.

I just personally find the whole “What are your intentions” thing kinda passé and cliche.

So, I’m a bit torn because the scene did also give us:

a second confirmation that Tommy is not pressuring Buck into anything Buck doesn’t want, like a certain subset of fans insist.

confirmation that they’re “taking things slow,” something we know Buck does enjoy. Buck wants his romantic partners to show that they’re also serious about him. He has gone out of his way with previous partners to slow things down or choose people who seem serious about dating. He didn’t have to ask Tommy to slow down like he did Abby or Taylor.

“He’s in ketosis” << literally laughed my ass off, but justice for my man, Buck; he loves carbs. (Joking aside— this is totally in character for Evan “fitness nut” Buckley, who casually talks to men with tape worms in their ass about the best low carb pasta options.)

another confirmation that they’re fucking, and fucking nasty. “I’m letting him set the pace, and I’m just trying to keep up,” is a fantastic precursor to the “God I hope so.” Tommy Kinard— your jokes about keeping up with a younger man are truly unmatched. (EDIT: Yes, I know the line wasn’t inherently about sex, you dorks, and that it can also be a reference to how Buck has seemingly sped run the “pre-dating” phase of his and Tommy’s relationship.)

more confirmation that Buck is into Tommy, and that he shows Tommy this, too.

Edit: I’m also torn about having a less than enthusiastic reaction to the scene because at this point, Tommy is like the Star Wars sequels. There are valid critiques of his characterization, his past, and how he’s been written, but because there is a large chunk of the fandom that cannot argue in good faith and has the most ass-backwards things to say about queer men, I spend more time defending the character from terrible takes than engaging with the source material the way I’d like to. I’d really like to just say what I think without having to fight through bad faith arguments.

[supercalime]

i heard about the whole jatp drama, and i totally get your worries in that regard 😭 sooo often a show has something great going for itself, just for the creators to fuck up so badly that it's almost unfathomable sksksk (also looking at the umbrella academy season 4 disaster). gotta say that at this point, i think i will leave 911 behind fr if bucktommy aren't together anymore. i am out with one foot simply because i only watch certain storylines while skipping others, some characters haven't interested or excited me in literal years. but i love buck. after so many years of watching him try to find real happiness, and with the show slowly reaching a point where imo it's seriously time to wrap it up very soon, i cannot imagine that they will manage to strike gold the way they did with bucktommy ever again. tommy is the first love interest of buck that they actually tried to integrate into the world and the firefam. tommy got the seal of approval, we see buck seemingly finally reach that point in life he was searching for. making him go through ANOTHER breakup just to introduce ANOTHER love interest, nullifying all that bucktommy has established? there is a limit for how often you can press the reset button, and we have reached it with buck a long time ago. let the man finally have something else to work towards. we need a breath of fresh air in here. i am optimistic about s8, and i will live no matter what happenes, but i think that would be my final straw to disconnect from 911 amd canon buck ngl 🤔 fingers crossed that bucktommy is alive and well because it's got sm potential!! 🙌

Couldn’t agree more bestie!

Tbf my reaction to the jatp bs is on me haha. Everything was more intense in 2020/2021 for obvious reasons so it wasn’t surprising for me to have latched on to a tv show and relying on it for my mental well being. But all that bullshit made me learn to change my mindset and behavior on how to interact with media and fandom, which is to have the bar so low it’s in hell.

Anyway, back to 911. I wouldn’t blame you for stopping to watch the show at any point if it’s not interesting any more. I’m not even a fan of this one. I saw bits and pieces throughout the years as one tends to do with procedurals and didn’t want to have my experience tainted with the fanon ship that shall not be named. In fact, I’ve followed lone star from the beginning and I think I still prefer it over the og.

Now onto buck and his relationships. I completely agree with what you said about hitting the reset button over and over. Procedurals tend to stall instead of committing to a solid change unless they get repetitive and/or write themselves into a corner (which both apply to buck here). So yeah, it would be a disservice to bucks character if he yet again goes through another breakup and the cycle keeps going, specially since tommy was pretty well received as his LI unlike all the other ones that weren’t meant to last from the beginning (Abby, Ali), were the wrong person for him (Taylor) or were forced down our throats (Natalia - there was so much telling and not showing how “right” their relationship was, it’s embarrassing).

So, unless there’s outside factors preventing tommy to come back and stay for good (contracts, conflicting schedules, etc), it makes no sense for bucktommy to not continue on the path they are going.

I want bucktommy to thrive, but I won’t hold my breath waiting just yet. If they are broken up or eventually will break up (which I must emphasize I do not want cause I ship them with all my heart) I might quit the show as well. Buck and Tommy were a breath of fresh air and I would love to see what could happen to them if we are lucky enough to see their romance continue

[thestrangestthlng]

Was gonna put this in the tags, but nah.

I fucking love Taylor and I miss her and I want her back for TommyTaylor shenanigans. (I want all three of them in the back seat of Athena’s cruiser and I will not apologize.)

Ana was the sweetest ever and I will never not be mad at how dirty she was done.

Abby though?? If Abby has no haters, I am dead. But it’s not because she dated Buck that I hate her, it’s because of what she did to Buck. I am a Buck stan first and foremost. And to just ghost him like that? Never even say anything? Having to find out she wasn’t coming back from Carla? After HE asked. Nope.

The difference, I’ve found, between the BT and BE of it all is who the fans stan (for the most part). Buck stans mostly just want him happy. If he’s happy, we’re happy and it’s probably why so many of us feel so strongly about Abby because of how she made Buck feel. Eddie stans (at least Fanon stans) tend to go more for Buddie.

But yes, weirdo Buddie fetishizers, think what you want to think because at the end of the day we’re going to be happy because Buck will end up happy and even if it’s not with Tommy (who makes him undeniably happy) it will be with someone else who’s not Eddie.

And, yes, we’re better than you.

Look at him being happy 🥰🥰🥰🥰

"you all hated taylor kelly, abby clark, ana flores, and every other female love interest but loooove tommy kinard, therefore you're misogynistic" SO CLOSE! i actually never hated any of those women, or any other female love interest for that matter because i'm better than you, but uh good luck next time ig <3

[starkjoy]

Let's talk Episode 5x02.

Buck and Eddie's heart-to-heart confirmed two of our suspicions: first, Ana caused his panic attacks, not the shooting.

Second, Eddie's definitely not in love with Ana.

On its own, that sounds innocent enough—they've dated for months, yes, but Eddie's suffered tremendously in love and life, so progressing slowly is understandable. That's enough to warrant a breakup itself, so why would the writers add fuel to the fire with panic attacks?

Mom, wife, or both, the mere mention of Ana becoming a permanent fixture in Eddie's family induces a life-threatening visceral response. This isn't just a case of incompatibility, or not being ready to move on. It's a physical, mental, and emotional crisis.

More analysis under the cut:

As many have speculated, there may be more to unpack beyond Eddie's excuse that he's "not ready" for a "ready-made family." So playing house with Ana causes him to panic, but co-parenting with Buck doesn't? Literally choosing Buck to be Christopher's legal guardian in the event of his own death didn't? Not even a little bit? The juxtaposition between Eddie's uncomfortable interactions with Ana and joy when seeing Buck with Chris or talking about Buck and Chris at the zoo makes us wonder: is Eddie not ready for a "ready-made family"...or has he already made one with someone else?

If he's aware of the latter, whether consciously or not, the implications of Buck being the person he wants in his life permanently is enough to warrant panic given Eddie's background.

In that same vein, the "stick with it" line felt particularly telling—I can't help but wonder if he stuck with Shannon, too. He was so young when they met, then their relationship became complicated so quickly...and ultimately cut too short. Perhaps he "stuck with" her despite the chaos because it was easier than confronting his own feelings or sexuality. As others have mentioned, "stick with it" implicitly evokes subtext around compulsory heterosexuality, being in the closet, repression, etc. Whether the writers intended for anything beyond Eddie's textual answer remains to be seen, however.

Now let's move on to Buck.

Maybe we can chalk this up to Oliver's acting choices, but Buck's frustrated—angry, even—emotional response to Eddie's admission surprised me. He's genuinely upset that Eddie would force feelings instead of breaking things off now, even directly comparing himself to Ana because he too has loved someone who didn't reciprocate his feelings (presumably he's referencing Abby, questionably Ali as well). The writers' choice in having Buck compare his own love struggles to Eddie's here naturally drums up questions about his current relationship.

I find it ...interesting that Taylor and Buck's one scene (so far) has already implied there's trouble in paradise. Yet again, Buck seems more invested in his relationship than his partner does. No shade to Taylor or those who ship her with Buck, but why would the writers want the pair's first scene post-canonization to be Taylor choosing work over Buck? Even in a lighthearted scene? If the writers' intent wasn't getting the audience to question whether Buck's latest romantic endeavor will work out, then I'm not sure what they were doing in that scene.

Now, let's remember how the show reintroduced Ana and Taylor as love interests last season. Ana was first, then Taylor after a time jump in the latter half of the season, during which Ana and Eddie were already seeing each other. I remember fans speculating that Buck dipped his feet back in the dating pool not only because he was healing but also because Eddie had made the first step toward moving on. However you want to interpret Buck's choices, shipper goggles on or off, by the end of last season both Eddie and Buck entered two separate, seemingly healthy relationships. Two happily ever afters, two happy families.

Four months later and the fairytale's already fallen apart.

Perhaps Buck's knee-jerk frustration not only stems from his past wounds with Abby, but also because he's sensing he's veering down a familiar path with Taylor. He's angry less so because Eddie said he'd "stick it out" with Ana, but more so because he's always the person people "stick it out" with. Shipper goggles on, maybe he's angry at himself for jumping into another relationship that isn't working when he only reentered the dating pool because of Eddie...whether that be out of jealousy, fear of being left behind, or repressing his confusing feelings.

Eddie's on a clear path to renewed singlehood, and Buck's storyline already leaves room for a similar journey. It's too early to tell, especially with how the writers have dealt with Buddie in the past, but if the show really wanted to quash the ship...why all of this? Will the beginnings of their respective relationships mirror their ends, with Eddie breaking up with Ana in the first half of the season, then Buck in the latter?

The question of the night remains: why break up the couples they just built and write off the characters they just reintroduced if they have no intention of pursuing Buddie romantically?

Maybe they'll push a platonic soulmate narrative where Buck and Eddie raise Chris together and are a family unit, but as bros—but that seems a bit ridiculous after knocking out both of their girlfriends, especially if they're trying to avoid claims of queerbaiting. You never know when there's a general audience to appease as well, though.

Based on what I've seen tonight, however, we may have a genuine chance. At least more of a chance then I thought last season.

[buckleyirondad]

ahhh, saw your buck post about people trying to justify the cheating and i totally agree. i'm also super mad cause i despise cheaters and he's my fav character so now i gotta try and reconcile that. like it took me ages to get over it when hen did it to karen so now im like?!?! it especially hurts cause it kinda came out of nowhere? i could see the hen storyline coming with the introduction of eva, like classic drama plotline, but i kinda thought id be safe with buck, if that makes sense? like he stayed loyal to abby for how long? idk, this is just kinda a vent post ig? i'm very mad and very sad rn, cause the eddie storyline was super good and it prob would have been one of my fav eps otherwise

I love Buck, too! I am mad at him for what he's done. And I believe those two sentiments can exist at the same time. I think some fans put Buck on a pedestal, and he is unable to make mistakes, but he can, and he has!

And in this instance, he drunkenly kissed Lucy back, after she kissed him. Honestly, I wouldn't be this upset if he'd told Taylor what he did, and the whole truth!

I think asking Taylor to move in is the self-destructive part of Buck, where he doesn't want to lose people he loves, but he's an idiot because now, he's going to hurt her more than before.

I do think Buck is Taylor’s Abby. Buck was 100% in, while Abby wasn’t. Taylor is 100% in, while Buck isn’t. He needs to take his own damn advice, from when he told Eddie the same about Ana.

I am mad, and I hope, that somebody is going to talk sense into this man! And I know, it will likely be Maddie (with what we've seen in teasers.) Because I know she will be mad at him, for what he did, but he's her stupid little brother, and she loves him.

And I hope, when Taylor finds out, she goes off. Let her shout, let her be mad because it will be totally justified.

I think this storyline will develop into something deeper but it may take a while to unravel.

I am hoping Hen will be a major part of this storyline. Since she did cheat on Karen and keep it a secret. Karen found out through somebody else, and that is what hurt her the most; the fact Hen didn't tell her. Hen has learned from that mistake, and my god, I hope Buck remembers that.

[crossovereddie]

Actually, here is an alternative thing for you to occupy your time with, and a question I have been meaning to ask you for a while. I have finished 911 finally! So I'm ready for the new season. And I wonder, realistically, what do you think the roadmap would be for a buddie endgame?

I absolutely see how their story has been framed and filmed in a lot of parallels to how a romantic storyline would be set out. But there has been no outright mention of either of them being bi - although the conversation about Maddy setting Buck up with whassisface was very casual and could very easily have been an example of canonically bi Buck - and they are both at the end of season 4 in 'relationships' with women.

So, in your estimation, what's the timeline? What's the transition? How do they go about this and how long does it take? I wanna know your thoughts 👀

okay yes i have lots of thoughts on this and it's actually one of my fave questions i get asked. I've always watched a lot of tv shows so I'm just estimating on what I've seen before and what I would personally do. IMO this love story is a slow burn. We only have four seasons so far and only three of those seasons have Eddie in them. This unsurprisingly got long so ill put it under the cut.

So I'll go by seasons bc to me its important to look at everything that has happened so far by seasons and by love interests and not as a whole. Its the best way i can form a timeline that I think would make the most sense and why

S1: So we don't get any hints at Buck being anything other than straight and I think this is because he was supposed to be. They hadn't planned for Eddie yet and they definitely hadn't planned for the chemistry Oliver and Ryan were gonna have. S1 Buck was this reckless kid who didn't take anything serious. He was definitely super immature. Then he meets Abby and he starts to get serious about his job and his love life. I'm not gonna say "Abby changed him" because she didnt. He saw the person he was and the person he was becoming and decided on that change himself.

S2: Eddie!!!! So we get introduced to this army medic turned firefighter in the least heterosexual way. Then Buck is angry because Eddie is hot and really good at his job. they work together and Eddie compliments Buck and now they're smiley bffs. Seriously wtf was all that? Anyway this is all sus bc from what ive seen before in other shows when a main love interest leaves and a new main character replaces them, that means something. JLH replaced Connie Britton as far as big name actress but i really believe Eddie replaced Abby as far as importance in Buck's life. Do i think they brought him in with the intentions of turning him into a LI? No but they sure fueled the narrative from the get go. I think they saw fans reactions and started testing the waters.

Moving on to LIs in this season. We find out Eddie has a kid and the mother is not in the picture (eddie made sure buck knew that right away). Then later on we find out he's technically still married. shannon comes back and we get Eddie finally getting to confront this head on. He tries to get his family back together for the sake of his son. Its big for Eddie's character bc all he does and all he's ever done is for his son. Then Shannon asks for a divorce then she dies bringing this arc to an abrupt end and leaving eddie heartbroken.

meanwhile Buck is still waiting for Abby. Then he finally accepts that shes not coming back and decides to move on. He goes right back to being "Buck 1.0" with Taylor and feels bad about himself because that really isnt him anymore. He wants a real relationship. So then Ali calls and asks him on an actual date and he agrees. This is his first try at a relationship after a heartbreak. in tv these don't usually work out but are used to develop the main character's growth. We don't really see much of her but she breaks up with him so.

S3: This is Eddie finally dealing with his feelings/guilt season. This is also the season I think we really see how important Buck is to the Diaz boys. S2 had cute buckley-diaz family moments but those could still be interpreted as a best friend and his best friend's kid. This season though... after the tsunamic episode was when i really started to fully believe buddie was going canon. This season is solidifying their bond not only as Buck and Eddie but as Buck Eddie and Christpher. As I'm writing this I realized neither of them really has a love interest in this season do they? Ana is introduced but then is clearly presented as definitely NOT the right choice for eddie and especially for Chris. Then they counter that with Buck helping Eddie build a skateboard for Chris that he can use as opposed to Ana's ablest remarks about how he can't do it so just move on to something else. Then we get Buck's reaction in Eddie Begins. Buck has seen his team his friends his family get hurt on the job before but he has never reacted the way he did when it was Eddie in danger. Again solidifying just how much these two mean to each other. Don't even get me started on this season being when Eddie changes his will offscreen. Anyway we get Abby back and Buck finally gets the closure from that relationship that he needs to move forward into a serious relationship.

Now S4: jfc s4....IMO this is the only logical season to get the ball rolling on Buddie and they sure did that with 4x14 despite everything else. So i never thought they would be the first serious relationship for each other after the heart break theyve both experienced. It wouldn't be fair to their character developments. Buck tries dating Veronica and that clearly doesnt work but we know hes now open to dating again. We get Buck Begins where we see why Buck is the dare devil he is. The only way he got his parents attention as a kid was to put himself in danger. They bring back taylor and how to they ultimately get together after she friendzones him? She thinks hes in danger and suddenly wants him. As much as i hate it this is really gonna be a relationship where Buck finally stands up for himself and sees his own worth and realizes he deserves more. He deserves someone who sees him and loves him for who he is. He deserves to be chosen, something Abby Ali his parents dont do and what i think taylor wont end up doing. I feel like shes gonna choose her career over him. Maybe not in a "I'm breaking up with you" way but maybe she takes a new job and want to do LD (hes tried that twice and it didnt work for him. hes not gonna want that) or she could ask him to go with her but he wont. His family is in LA. His job is in LA. Eddie and Chris are in LA and he won't leave them. Then we have Eddie finally deciding to move on and try dating again so they bring back ana. To me it's not gonna work out so I'm not bothered at all lmao. It's interesting that they'd choose her though. Someone we already know Eddie doesn't trust with his son. There's also more buckley-diaz family scenes of them being coparents. The hildy episode, Chris running to Buck when hes mad at eddie, Buck being the one to tell Chris Eddie got hurt, then Buck staying with Chris and taking on the guardian role without him even knowing just how much that role really does belong to him. He didn't do it out of obligation. He didn't do it because he was asked to. He did it because he thought it would be best for Chris. Finally to 4x14. This is by far the biggest "Oh shit this is it. This is the beginning of buddie". We find out Eddie changed his will a year ago and has just been sitting on this info. I think Eddie knew back then what it meant but he wasn't in the right mindset to accept what it means so he kept it to himself. I think he finally started allowing himself to go there during treasure hunt. The man was jealous yall. Carla coming back and her comment about doing whats best for him and not chris is his oh shit moment. I think he wouldve broken up with Ana a few days after that if he had the time lol. He gets caught up in the mother/son sl then this poor mf gets shot by a sniper. The way that whole scene was filmed btw was not in a bff way. That was a lover watching his beloved almost die in front of him. Buck again puts himself down and Eddie decides this is the moment. He needs Buck to see how important he is. He wants buck to know how loved he is. So he sits there talking himself up to it and finally lets Buck know just how big of a part he is in Eddie's family. Buck's previous scene is him saying he wants someone who wants him back then here is Eddie saying he needs him...Chris needs him. wtf.

So with S5: I think Eddie knows and Buck has a feeling but he's not sure so what i would do is spend s5 with Eddie basically showing Buck his feelings but not exactly getting in the way of Buck's new relationship because Buck has to be the one to make that choice. Id also have chris feeling the different shift with buck having a gf like he did with Eddie. This newfound info wasnt just dropped on us for a "Aww so sweet" moment. This will business is gonna be a part of a bigger storyline. I'm hoping its with Eddie's family during maybe 5b.

So what I think would be the best timeline for canon buddie is 5a eddie already having either broken up with ana or is gonna break up with her, Buck choosing himself and ending things with Taylor by midseason finale, them bringing in Eddie's family in 5b and maybe then being when Eddie confesses his feelings for Buck. Then 6a we could get them walking on egg shells around each other not really knowing what to do bc this is all so new for both of them. This could bring just the right amount of comedy and angst especially them awkward and flustered around each other at work. A big blowup can happen between them for added angst (maybe an arguement before one of them or both of them is put in danger) then a midseason finale kiss. Then trying to find the balance between their personal relationship and their work relationship during 6b.

I don't know how long Fox shows last but procedurals can last a long time. I'm not sure thats gonna be the case for 911 especially with all the main cast staying that long so i think this would give us at least a whole season (S7) of canon buddie.

As far as then being presented as straight, there's been more seeds planted about buck being bi. A few i can remember off the top of my head: all of 2x1 lmao, maddie's comment about bucks boy crush on eddie, buck hinting at thinking eddie is cute when he thinks maddie is talking about him, the christmas elf, the comments on the instagram livestream, idk if youve watched it or not but TK's comment to Buck in the crossover episode, and like you mentioned Maddie's casual comment about setting him up with Josh. All we really know about Eddie's love life is he married Shannon when they were young and is trying with Ana so it could turn into a whole storyline for him.

I'm so sorry this is so long and took forever but i I hope i actually answered your question and didnt just get lost in rambles lmao.

[ellelans]

You made a tag comment about how Buddie wasn't planned from the beginning. And therefore what we got in Season 2 wasn't (at the time) the groundwork for a love story. I agree completely! Much of it I can see as either a bit of fun (the Christmas elf, the instagram girl) or that kind of hyper-masc heterosexuality that loops around itself and becomes gay (Buck's whole...thing with Eddie in the beginning, the focus on Eddie's body/hotness/physical appearance). But sometimes I step back and look at the whole and I'm all 🧐 🤔.

I don't even know what I'm asking lol. Would just love your thoughts/feelings on the confusing spectacle that are Buck and Eddie in season 2. And when/how/why did the show change their mind?

Thank you so much for the ask and you know what? Let’s talk about it.I recently had an in depth chat about this pretty unpopular opinion with a friend and I tried to explain to her why I don't see buddie as an actual pairing or having any canon potential until early s3 and why I don't believe they were planned from the beginning.This will be long and all over the place of course lol

The first and the most obvious reason is the way 911 deals with main characters and their romantic arcs.They don't actually drag it on for long because there is no need or time for that since every single main character has a strong storyline of their own and any romantic development between any pair as an additional combined storyline. Relationships happen fast on 911 because they are planned ahead and the only relationship that took longer than usual few episodes was Chim and Maddie and they were already kissing and planning a date in 2x11.

Also when shows enter their second season there is never a way to predict how long it will stay on the air and because of that it is impossible for me to believe that buddie was planned as some epic old school slowburn that is nowhere as close to be resolved after 3 seasons.When I say old school slowburn I mean shows that have this one heterosexual romance at the center of the universe that is usually stretched across seasons and builds up sexual tension between characters and it takes literally years for them to finally get together.We have these two characters that where made for each other and you KNOW that they will eventually get together because of some ridiculous pining that will eventually end in a kiss and everyone will scream and cry.And maybe that’s how buddie feels to me now after years of careful build up-but the way I see it they as a potential something didn't happen in s2.

We all joke about how character introduction of Eddie is the gayest we have ever seen and Buck's reaction to him as true bisexual and I do that myself too because I am a bisexual too and tbh its hard to unsee (also I don't want to) but lets remove our rainbow glasses for a second. What really did happened in that scene? Eddie's perfect abs on display,Chim and Hen fun comments on how beautiful he is,Bobby's praise and bragging about getting Eddie and his Silver Star on the team and Buck's insecurities flaring up as a reaction to all of this.Buck immediately feels threatened.At this point we of course have no idea how deeply his insecurities run or why,but as episode progresses we witness Eddie on his first call making a better decision to how to handle a medical situation and backed up by Bobby.It has sort of a devastating effect on Buck,who suddenly starts acting like we have never seen him before.Then there is a that scene at the gym where Buck tells Eddie how he is his problem. And later we of course have the scene in ambulance when Eddie asked what exactly they are measuring. Because that's what it looked like - a usual macho men measuring context. But the thing is 911 doesn’t toxic masculinity when it comes to main male characters and we saw many examples of that already by then,but the biggest one was supposed to be BuckandEddie. Equals,partners and best friends.

911 was already pushing boundaries with cast,characters and relationships diversity and I strongly believe that what they wanted to show us was a male equivalent of what we are used to see in female bffs -a different kind of a friendship between men. Men who care about each other,who talk about feelings,discuss sex,dating or why they don’t,who again openly acknowledge that they find each other attractive and giving advices on how to take a more flattering selfie,who are not afraid of crying, admit they are struggling or heartbroken or loving their kid.Honestly when was the last time any of us saw a male friendship like theirs?Men are not allowed to be like that on TV (I am still shocked that its a Fox show tbh) and especially with each other.We are not used to see such a development so no wonder people started paying attention-which was what writers wanted,of course.

But that also brings us to that important question about queer undertones,subtext and do what we actually see in s2. Are there queer undertones?Absolutely. Subtext?It’s right there but you will probably not get it unless you’re reading between the lines.Before we get to Christmas Elf,there was ‘’He is cute!/He gets that a lot,you should’ve seen his kid...’’ Maddie and Buck scene that is once again reinforces that Buck finds Eddie attractive and it shouldn’t be a surprise because we already know from 2x01 he has eyes - but they mention it AGAIN and that personally made me raise a brow or two.By the time we get to that Christmas episode,we already have Shannon back and Buck finally moved on from Abby with Taylor and then Ali and then we are given another queer coded scene-with Christmas elf.And its very cute and to an average heterosexual viewer its a nice little joke,but any queer watching that scene was probably taken aback a little.

So why imo did Tim&Co do it and when they realized they can actually see where they can take BuckandEddie and when they started becoming buddie?My answer is ship teasing.It’s what a lot of people actually mistake for queer baiting,but we are not talking about that rn.Ship teasing works like charm and if shows can get away with that-they will totally use it to their advantage.It’s usually not always malicious,but it IS always intentional because that brings in a category of people that were overlooked for a long time-online fandom.Now I have seen some opinions that fandom doesn’t really matter,it’s the ratings that count and that is NOT TRUE.You can have your ratings,but if there is no buzz online?Your show is going nowhere.For at least a decade now every self-respecting production has teams to monitor fandom activities because it gives them better ideas about how consumers(fans) are interacting with their product (show).Fandom is important because we generate the buzz.So I do believe that BuckandEddie and that sweet ship teasing were to get a certain part of the fandom pay attention.

I wasn’t here when S2 aired so I don’t know if that was the case,but it is obvious that these scenes I talked about above made fans pay a LOT of attention. And maybe that was the reaction writers needed to start changing course from ship teasing to start building up to something else.They maybe didn’t plan it at the very beginning and on paper,but lets also not forget the insane chemistry between Oilver and Ryan,which imo is another big reason-it's impossible to ignore.

Because S3?Is light years away from S2 in terms of BuckandEddie-they became buddie.In s3 Buck and Eddie become each other’s significant other,they are in a primary relationship. ’’Buck invites Eddie...’’?!!!!! It is not yet romantic and probably won’t be until ending of s5 if we are lucky-but it is in your face,they are not subtle anymore.I personally saw buddie only at the end of 3x03 when Eddie came over and said that there is noone in the world he trusts with his son more than Buck, looking like he did into Buck’s eyes,while ‘Photograph’ played in the background right before Buck’s overvoice about being seen and found and a raft to bring one home. After S4 ending tho...we all know that something is about to happen and its like there is electricity in the air as we are waiting for s5!

Probably a lot more thoughts than you expected,but I have many feelings about these two and when buddie goes canon this post will become completely irrelevant lol 💖 

[unrealisticlea]

Hii, about your buck/natalia post i think https://www.tumblr.com/poughkeepsies/717587338097754112/okay-heres-the-thing-about-the-stupid-fucking?source=share this one explains it very well imo and theres another couch meta that when i find ill send it to you, but yeah like you said everything they show us is the opposite of what buck pov tells us

These are excellent points and had it been any other episode I’d be all over them.

I don’t buy into this being a deliberate choice. They wrote the episode to be the series finale and they put every character exactly where it’s supposed to be (they decided that meant with their romantic partner and i strongly disagree but that’s another thing): Athena and Bobby are on that honeymoon they wanted since season 3, Hen and Karen finally have a little girl, Maddie and Chimney found their happiness and are planning their wedding, Eddie “finally moved on” (I also have a lot of problems with this).

It’s like every other series finale, they want to leave the characters in a place where the audience can imagine they’re gonna leave a long and happy life. “Letting go of the past and moving on to the future” as Bobby says. So why would they leave Buck hanging and making what the audience can see is yet another mistake? What those great meta are saying and what other people told me is “this is Buck’s pov, she’s not the right person for him, Buck thinks/decides she’s the right person for him but we can see she isn’t. Eddie and Christopher are the right people and they told us with all the couch scenes at Eddie’s place during the season”. That’s what I also thought before the episode and that fits perfectly with the couch metaphor and it would have worked perfectly if this was a mid-season finale or even if 6x18 felt less definitive.

But it feels like an ending. They closed every other arc. I don’t think they said “let’s wrap everything up and let’s just leave Buck in the same place he was when Abby left, when he asked Taylor to move in after he kissed Lucy, when he decided to run to Eddie instead of facing Taylor after she betrayed his trust: desperately clinging to yet someone else even though it’s clear to everyone that it’s not gonna work. Just in case we get renewed”. Because that means they think that’s enough to make the entire audience tune in next season (do you remember when that shitty journalist wrote “if you don’t love Buck why are you even watching 911”. I love Buck but I refuse to believe he’s right). But even if they decided Buck’s actually the main character and that’s why his ending is different than everyone else, it’s not different enough and it doesn’t work as a starting point for next season. You know what could have been a great starting point for next season? Buck deciding to quit LAFD because of how he feels after he died. And they laid down the groundwork for that.

But he didn’t. He’s pretty settled. That’s why i think the audience is supposed to think he got a “happy ending” like everyone else and she’s the right person for him. But like I said in my previous post (x) it doesn’t work at all and everyone can see that.

And now my unpopular opinion on why this happened: it wasn’t a choice, it doesn’t work because they fucked up. They wanted to have it both ways: they didn’t write a character who feels like Buck’s soulmate, they wrote as little of her as they could and they described her exactly like every other Buck’s ex girlfriend because they didn’t want to alienate buddie fans. They deliberately wrote her as bad for Buck and you can see this if you compare her to Kameron who wasn’t, she was written as pretty neutral for Buck. We also don’t know much about Kameron and it still feels like she likes Buck more than Natalia does.

But they also didn’t plan to make buddie canon. So Buck ended up being the only character who found his happy ending in someone who was written like every other character who made him miserable. I just think he deserved better.

[zainclaw]

honestly? i get weird vibes from taylor and i'm not sure i like her. (or at least like...for buck i guess)

I haven't met her in S4 yet, so I don't really have a lot to say :) In S2 she was barely a character, we barely got to know her at all!

Also, um. How do I explain this.

I've learned to be careful with disliking characters that are a "threat" to my ship. Because it's almost always female characters, and I'm just really tired of female characters getting shit on by fans. I’ve been guilty of this myself in the past, to just automatically dislike any girl who started to show signs of becoming a love interest to one half of my ship.

(And I don’t mean to imply this is what you’re doing! Please do not take this as an attack on you, at all. This ask just reminded me of this whole thing that I’ve been wanting to talk about somewhere at some point, anyway.)

That kind of tunnel vision, when you watch a show primarily for a ship, makes for a very unhappy experience, and I’m just not about that. I feel like I’ve grown up a lot since I felt that way about Teen Wolf, and I’m so so glad that I don’t feel that way at all about 911. I actually loved Abby. I didn’t even hate Shannon. And I hope both Ana and Taylor are written as actual characters later in S4 when I get to meet them more properly, so I can (hopefully) enjoy them as characters too!

I don’t know. I just. I wish it wasn’t so rare for people in fandom shipping a m/m pairing to still care for the on-screen love-interests. And I’m not saying female characters can’t be badly written, and therefore never “deserve” to be disliked - of course they can be! All I’m saying is... I’ve learned to be careful when judging female characters on screen. That’s all :)

God, I hope this made any sense at all XD 

[himbo-buckley]

“Keeping Young Heroes Safe from Harm (Mostly) For Over Three Millennia!”

A short drabble that popped into my head and wouldn’t leave, based on the Percy Jackson books, timeline wise set after the last Last Olympian but before the Lost Hero, since I never read that. You technically don’t have to have read the books to understand this, but for reals you guys, love yourself and read them!

(And nope, this will most likely never be continued which is why I’m posting only on tumblr.)

(Also if you hate it, go yell at @inkbloodpaperandbone who came up with the general idea and told me to go write this. It’s not my fault I am easy to persuade, guys!)

(And if anyone else feels the need to continue this, please be my guest, but drop me a link cause I really wanna read all the Percy Jackson AUs)

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„Okay, what’s wrong?“ Maddie asks, striding up to Buck with an exasperated expression on her face that quickly morphed into concern. Apparently Hen hadn’t actually been exaggerating when she sent Maddie to check on her brother because ‚she knew medicine of the body not of the mind‘!

Evan sat at the creek looking glum, a group of nymphs nearby, aw-ing at him and his cloths looking like something he actually bought and hadn’t altered. There is also the birthmark visible on his face, which was usually obscured by magic because Evan didn’t consider it pretty. Maddie never understood that, but then again Maddie wasn’t a child of Aphrodite and therefore only as vain as any normal eighteen year old teenager.

„Is this about Abby?“ She tries after a pause, hoping it wasn’t. She’d never been a fan of the daughter of Iris, especially not after she entered a relationship with her more than two years younger brother and even though Maddie never dared say it, she was glad when the older girl had decided to not return this year and break up with Buck, instead deciding to spent the summer before with her human friends.

Buck didn’t look up, but he did shake his head no.

Maddie tried not to look too visibly relieved.

Sitting down next to her brother, she looked around instead. Her hands absentmindedly ran through the grass around, which looked a little wilted from being stepped on. Using her powers she willed some of it to regrow, smiling when a little flower appeared, then repeating the process with the rest of the grass surrounding them. Once she was satisfied the earth around them would not take any permanent damage from being sat on she looked up again, taking in the rest of their surroundings.

Buck had chosen a spot at the creek between the arts and craft and the volleyball field, where - oh, the volleyball field.

„So it’s about Eddie then,“ she says looking over to the field where game of Volleyball was currently descending into a brawl, Eddie only visible for his fairly slender figure and the fact that he was trying to break up the fight (which was unusual for a child of the war god) while Lena, their counselor, looked on, laughing.

Buck’s head whips up so fast a mere mortal might have broken their neck, Maddie thinks. His eyes look red as if he had been crying but his face is dry.

„They made fun of me during sword fighting,“ Buck finally admits.

Maddie sighs, trying not restart their old fight, „They always make fun of you during sword fighting.“

And it was the truth because Buck, being a child of Aphrodite, was not a natural fighter, no matter him having inherited their father’s built or the general skills of a demigod, but Buck still liked to try and while he was getting better, it was no where near, say, a child of Ares might learn. Who were usually the ones teaching.

„Yeah and usually Eddie tells me to ignore them, but -„ Buck stopped himself, once again looking down.

Maddie looked back at the Volleyball court where the game was apparently about to resume and the man (well, boy really, Eddie was barely seventeen himself) in question was purposely not looking their way despite Buck being just as visible from the court as he was from the creek.

„Did something happen between you two?“ She dared to ask after a few moments of silence. It was far more quiet than anything else said before, despite the nymphs not being close enough to hear. But just to be safe.

Buck shook his head, „He just - he hasn’t to me since the first day and it’s been nearly a week and I don’t know what I did wrong!“ His voice got louder with each word until he was nearly yelling, frustration so very evident.

(The people on the court ignored it, though.)

And oh, yeah, that explained the mood. Because even as an eleven year old Eddie had always tried to talk to the younger boy, despite Buck originally not liking Eddie what with him already being so much better at fighting and so well liked especially for a child of Ares and (which was the death blow, really) being brought in by Christopher who Buck not so secretly seemed to consider *his* satyr.

But then all it had taken was a small quest of transporting something that might blow up made by Hephaestus and Eddie asking Buck to come along („Because you know all about monsters, right?“) for them to become best friends ever since - growing into maybe a little more ever since Abby had broken up with Buck a few months ago.

(Well, as much as a relationship could evolve that only existed via letters and postcards, because while Buck and Maddie stayed year round, Eddie actually left to live with his grandmother in LA at the end of every summer - and they only got to visit each other about twice a year in between, what with flights being not that cheep and demigods technically having no place in California and LA specifically.)

„Everything was normal that first day,“ Buck continues, clearly unaware of Maddie’s trip down memory lane, „We talked about what we did the past few week and what we wanted to do this summer and he told me again about his break up with Shannon, but then Taylor Kelley came by because I promised to study with her and he refused to talk to me ever since!“

„Taylor Kelley, as in the daughter of Tyche and the first person you hooked up with since Abby left after pining for several weeks, that Taylor Kelley?“ Maddie asked a little disbelieving. Surely her brother couldn’t be that dense.

„Yeah,“ He said, or rather asked a completely innocent look on her face, „Why?“

And Maddie tried and failed not to laugh, „Because that, my dear child of the goddess of love, means that I am probably right and Eddie likes you just as much as you like him!“

Buck frowns, „ Why woul - oh, he’s jealous, isn’t he?“
Maddie nods, „Yes. Maybe you should go talk to him after supper today?“
And she wants to propose talking about what exactly Buck might tell Eddie but she never got that far as her brother had already gotten up, striding across the grass in huge steps, undoing all of Maddie’s earlier work.

„Hey, asshole, stop ghosting me and start talking!“ Buck yelled still a few steps away, making Maddie scramble to her feet and rush after her brother.

Oh, this was going to be a train wreck, wasn’t it?