#I don’t put it past link click to have min in the background as a taxi driver or something
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congrats on the transition min!

Glad that there’s at least one timeline where they’re living their best life :)
#ok yeah I’m aware that’s probably THAT GUY’S sister#but let me have fun#in all seriousness if we see some alt universe versions of Min or Emma (especially together) or something I will LOSE IT#I don’t put it past link click to have min in the background as a taxi driver or something#noelle’s rambles#link click#liu min#though I call them#liu miu#link click season 3#crack#if any link click theory is true let it be this one PLEASE#my toxic trans feminine they/them <3
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chapter fourteen
masterlist link in blog description.
As a successful songwriter, you want nothing more than the acknowledgment that the chart-topping musical pieces are your own creations. But contracts, relationships, and the difficulty of facing the stakes involved head on, keep your mouth shut until pressure builds too much.
Pairing(s): Park Jimin x Y/N, Min Yoongi x Y/N
disclaimer: any characters depicted do not represent the actual personality of the respected idol in real life.
Series warning(s)/genre(s): Chapter-based written fic, Slow-burn relationship(s), Fake-dating, Unrequited love, Songwriter/producer!oc, idol!Jimin, idol/songwriter/producer!Yoongi, friends with benefits, drama, romance, smut, angst, fluff (updated as needed)
Chapter warning(s): none.
Word count: 5053
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“The cover art is really simple.” Your eyes scan over the imagery of a black background with three muted color swatches arranged in rectangles meant to represent the ambiance of each track respectfully. Squeezing your hands that settled long ago on Yoongi’s right shoulder and upper arm, you bite your lip watching him type in an equally succinct description.
“Want to wait until we can design something?” He shifts his head with a shake so that his bangs cease obscuring his view as he glances up at you. A tiny shake of your head is your reply along with silence, appearing contemplative. “We can if you want.”
“If I don’t let you do it now, I think I’ll be putting it off forever.” You admit sheepishly. Your nervous eyes look towards Yoongi’s warm stare and a little smile breaks onto your face to try and hide the spilling nerves. “Really, Yoon, I like how it looks I’m not worried about the art to be honest with you.”
He nods gently, then pushes his chair a couple inches aside causing your hand on his arm to fall away while the other remains with a firm squeeze that Yoongi pays no mind to. “You want to be the one to click publish?”
“Me?” You startle, looking back towards the screen. The little red button in the corner reading ‘submit’ appears utterly normal and unassuming, yet the implications of what it will do are vastly opposite. You never thought about how jarring just releasing tracks could feel; while there is excited anticipation brewing in your chest, you can’t stop the conflicting nerves of wonder about the reception to find their way into each heartbeat as well. “I’m probably acting dramatic, aren’t I?”
“Not really.” Yoongi repels your self-consciousness, reaching his hand to cover over the top of yours on his shoulder, “It’s scary putting something you worked so hard on out there; I get it, sweetie.”
You nod, lips tightening from his voice’s comfort, and the pieces of worry that evaporate just because of his hand finding yours. Taking away the smallness of being alone, Yoongi assures you that he’s as much a part of this as you are. The name of his account, and your own next to the abbreviated producer title of the first track and written in the credential section of all three repeat the conjoinment of both of your responsibility for anything that can come from release.
With an exhale, you reach for the mouse, hovering the cursor over that red button that felt as much of a warning as it did a start. When you consider your beginnings of production five years earlier, you can almost believe this little action is entirely overdue. If you hadn’t given up so much of your voice for the job, maybe this would be a common occurrence by now, but then maybe as well you wouldn’t have the luxury of reaching this place alongside Yoongi.
Your index finger presses onto the mouse, allowing the millisecond clicking sound to practically blast through the room.
The screen takes barely anytime to refresh and reappear with a speeding loading meter. You watch it climb like the acceleration of your heartbeat, not for a moment taking consideration of the cancel button that lingers in the bottom corner. Yoongi’s hand grows tighter over top of yours, silently watching as well. Another page refreshes, announcing success and highlighting a link to share with anyone, as a short description tells that the public can now access on the music streaming service.
“Oh my god,” You dribble out exclamatory ramblings, then turn to look at Yoongi who looks up at you after a second longer of reading the information on the screen. Despite the shock excluding your expression, Yoongi smiles up at you, grinning teeth peeking through as you remain motionless.
“Congratulations, angel.” He says, rubbing your hand while allowing the moment to catch up with you. It does so in a slow eruption of a smile on your face, one that leaves you a little bouncy in enthusiasm,
“Yoongi,” You pull your hand away covering your mouth with both of them though it doesn’t hide the evident happiness taking over your expression. Yoongi’s empathetic glow of thrill for you remains as he stands from his seat, mixing a laugh into a gasp when you hop against him into a full hug. Nearly tripping backwards, his arms cross around you as his foot plants firmly to keep himself upright. “Thank you so much, Yoon. Really, really thank you.”
“You don’t need to thank me, angel, but you’re welcome.” He mumbles quickly, not wanting to take any of the moment’s attention from you. Instead his ands rub your back soothingly, elated from how happy you cling onto him with your face buried into the crook of his neck. “You want to go do something to celebrate?”
“Yes,” You nod, as you look upwards at him, ignoring the close proximity of your faces while you pay more attention to your toes remaining balance on the ground. “Please. Let’s get out of here-- we’ll probably get hunted down if we hang around.”
Within a few short minutes, the two of you stroll quickly down the hall, arriving at the elevator as you situate your bag’s strap over your shoulder. Yoongi adjusts a mask along his chin, keeping it off his mouth and nose until exiting the building. Your mind trails over a million ideas of comments that will find their way onto the internet in response, creating a reason for you to avoid looking at any social media for as long as possible.
You send a text to a groupchat with Namjoon and Seokjin instead, vague about details, but factually accurate with the most important news about Yoongi and you dropping the three tracks into the world without any warning. Expecting a reply from either as soon as one reads the shocking text, you keep your phone in your grasp, but bite your lip at the troublesome nag that Yerin could just as easily try and get in contact with you any moment as well.
“You okay?” Yoongi ducks his head, eyes studying any emotion on your face, as you sigh to ward thoughts away. Dropping your phone into the confines of your bag to leave the world at bay, you nod at him. “Without thinking about the bad things, the music itself is really good, angel. Try to just focus on that. Everyone is bound to like your work.” He continues to alleviate, stretching an arm in your direction which your hand happily takes to grab hold of his waiting appendage again. Entwining the fingers, he gives you a protective squeeze, listening to the elevator stop and announce the ground level, “Let’s just celebrate tonight. This is a happy occasion.”
“You’re right, yeah. I was just trying to let Joon and Jin know about it, but then I started thinking about everything too much.” You explain as you both step from the elevator into the staff lobby, where Yoongi can receive his car from the valet service. “What do you think we should go eat?”
Yoongi hums in thought, contemplating locations as he waves to one of the employees who knows him by face and starts off down to the garage level immediately. “I guess something to go with drinks. Barbeque usually says celebration, right?” He turns to you, as you lean against the counter fiddling with his fingers between both of your hands.
“You just love meat.” You smile up at him, straying one of your hands to pat against his chest as he pouts his lips above his mask and shrugs nonchalantly in response.
“Well, maybe-- but it is celebratory food, isn’t it?”
“Hmm...” You giggle as he gently jiggles your linked hands to further enhance a sales pitch,
“Why don’t you invite Namjoon and Jin? I bet they’d want to come.”
You roll your eyes at his attempt to push the desire for barbeque, though you’re inclined to agree because of the warm weather of summer evenings making the meal idea enticing. Ready to give in to stop Yoongi’s growing pout that seems more begging now than casually pitching the meal, your words never come out as the elevator’s sound again registers in your sense and you watch Jimin exit out.
The sparse amount of people in the lobby cause him to notice you and Yoongi in little time. Where you anticipated a small nod and walk away, you find his eyes linger instead, full of invisibly flurry despite the solemn expression encompassing his body language. You don’t turn away, instincts causing prickles of wonder in your chest, that grow into worry when you catch him smother a frown away.
Your suddenly tight squeeze on Yoongi’s hands, prompt him to turn his head back to check what you see. Watching Jimin step towards the little group of you two, Yoongi lifts himself from leaning on the counter, shifting so that he can face the casually dressed brunette.
“Hey,” Jimin greets the words towards you, and gives a nod of his head to Yoongi amicably. The tone of his voice is polite, but not like usual. Your eyebrows furrow in response to the fact, but you can’t dwell as Jimin goes on, “Hopefully you’re okay after what that guy said earlier?”
“Oh, yeah,” You nod, having practically forgotten about the producer for the past couple of hours. “He’s always been rude, so I don’t really care.” You explain, catching Yoongi’s pensive expression in the corner of your eye. Likely gauging the situation of your comfort. “Thanks again for saying something, Jimin.”
“It wasn’t really anything,” He shrugs off your words, glancing towards the exit doors as a driver parks a car in the small archway. “Definitely not something that deserves thanks.”
The absentmindedness of his eyes are a familiar sight, not a common occurrence, but you’ve seen it before. Appearing cluttered amidst thoughts, Jimin acts abnormal, but not in the way as a reaction to the strained memories between you too. Something other than that bothers him, you realize and can’t stop the quiet questioning, “Are you okay?”
Yoongi glances towards you as you ask, finding a genuine focus for the man in front of you in your eyes. When he looks towards Jimin whose appearance seems hesitant at your line of questioning, Yoongi for a moment wonders if there’s still entanglement between you both. You haven’t brought up Jimin in weeks now, but certainly the thought of him crosses your mind, Yoongi realizes this, but watching forms a knot in his throat. Small, yet distinctly there as he stands separate from you both, despite his hands holding yours.
The moment of understanding startles him internally and his hand breaks from your own, as he comes back into reality hearing the employee from before calling his name. He turns back towards the counter, to retrieve his keys, listening on as the thread in his throat continues crossing in and out of itself, building up and for what reason.
“Yeah,” Wearily spoken, Jimin watches your short glance at Yoongi as his hand released yours. When your eyes quickly come back to his own, Jimin just shrugs a shoulder, forcing a half-hearted smile, “Long day… That’s all.”
Undeniably, there exists the beginnings of a line, that you have no reason to speak beyond what Jimin explains to you without substance of whatever is obviously wrong. Given all of the distance grown, and separation that has caused the awkwardness of strangers with history to fester between you both, you have no reason to go beyond the casual conversation, but you can’t erase his expression. You’re certain those around you would assume his response to be literal, but there’s more underneath it, you can see it.
You could see there was more beneath his response of surprise when you kissed him for the first time years ago, and you can just as easily decipher that there is something Jimin didn’t disclose that makes his person appear so recluse and uncertain. Worry doesn’t contain itself in your mind, instead flooding out from your heart practically shoving it, “Do you want to talk?”
It doesn’t feel wrong to ask him, but watching Jimin’s eyebrows twitch a bit wider you know the question is unexpected. Your lips tighten, trying to ignore the idea that you’ve made a mistake in offering. You turn towards Yoongi to alleviate the tension in your throat, to make the question lighter as you go on, “Right, we have time until the evening; I can talk to him and meet you afterwards?”
The second the sentence concludes you feel as though you’ve done even more wrong. Yoongi’s glance towards Jimin isn’t casual, closer to an examination, then he returns his eyes to you. It’s a small moment, but how Yoongi looks at you isn’t warm, but perhaps hurt. Disappointed in your decision, you think. Then it’s squashed away as he nods his head,
“Yeah, that’s fine.”
Blinking in confusion of his reaction, you stay stunned silent and only watch as Yoongi nods his head towards Jimin and walks around the two of you towards his car outside. Frowning now, you consider if you’ve said anything for him to get so visibly upset about. Even if he’s disappointed that you want to lend Jimin an ear, Yoongi’s completely altered mannerisms seem off.
“Y/N,” You look towards Jimin as he calls out to you and smiles gently, tiredly as he continues, “You don’t have to let me rant to you. I’m sure you don’t really want to.”
“I do though.” You reiterate, mentally frustrated by why Yoongi walked away. “You seem sad about something,” Explaining your perspective, your hands squeeze together, trying to settle in belief that what you’ve done isn’t wrong-- you don’t have to act like Jimin was the worst memory of your life, despite the changes since you’ve spoken to him, he was still important to you. He’s still human and capable of feeling sad, needing someone to listen; if you’re the one worried why wouldn’t you let him. You still care about his well being, it’s that simple, “Is it wrong of me to talk to you?”
“Well, no,” He says simply, biting his lip, and you wonder if his hesitation is due to Yoongi’s reaction as well or because of the strain between you two. “Then let’s go so you won’t be too late to meet him later on.”
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“I’m actually kind of surprised you picked a cafe.” You admit quietly, looking down at your pretty, light lavender tea drink. Lifting your eyes up to Jimin you find him adjusting a stray lock under the confines of his cap where the rest of his hair has been hidden away. As though that is the bulk of his identity, and not the designer graphic shirt and expensive Doc Martins wouldn’t bring any attention, he sits back into his chair,
“Well, it’s not busy right now,” He says, which is fair considering only another single person typing away on their laptop sits on the opposite side of the establishment. “Besides if anyone says anything it’s easier to deny anything wrong with your fake relationship.”
“Yeah,” You murmur, forgetting about that public aspect between you and Yoongi often times lately. “I guess that’s true.” You stir your drink with the straw, less interested in drinking it. “So what happened that made you look so sad?” “Ah,” Jimin rubs his jaw, remembering the conversation with Yerin. He looks at your person, finding little details that have changed and others that haven’t, but most notably acknowledges your leave and its freeing effect on your expression. It almost feels not fair to complain to you when you’re taking everything SoundWave and himself to an extent have held away from you.
He’s caught in your gaze when you finally turn towards him expectant of an answer, but he really doesn’t feel like he should tell you. Why did he agree to speak with you in the first place. The largest part of Jimin’s heart simply wanted to see you again, but what is there to say. You shouldn’t have to listen to his tales of stagnation any longer. He doesn’t want to dwell on that, so his lips keep the meeting a secret as he changes the direction,
“I’m really sorry that I never told you how I felt about your contract earlier.” Knowing this isn’t what you expected him to say, Jimin isn’t surprised as he watches your eyes drift into shock and your mouth to part slightly. “I know I should’ve.” He smiles bitterly, glancing towards the drinks on the small table. “I love you. I didn’t want to ruin us, but that wasn’t fair of me.”
“Is,” Your slowly spoken speech causes you to ball your hands onto your lap, “Is that why you looked upset?” Regret continuing to jumble his days, like how you would recall the months of silence when you kept the questions you had to yourself.
“Maybe in some ways,” He ponders, still avoiding eye contact as he instead taps his index finger once on the laminated wood. “Yerin’s always told me that I can’t do for myself what you do for everyone in the company.” You narrow your eyes, about to cut in and ask what he means but Jimin goes on. “When I was going to debut they had it set that I wouldn’t produce any of the music, but I thought that would be short-term while I learned how in the meantime.” You watch his lips contort into a dissatisfied frown, “But when it stayed like that and I asked to try making my own music she’d always say that route is worthless for the company.”
“You tried to make your own music?” The statement falls out of your lips like a question in disbelief. Always believing he had no interest from the fact he never showed you even a line of his work.
“Of course,” He chuckles, rubbing his face as the memories wash over hours of work to create samples that were passed on each and every time. “I want to be a performer and make as much of my own stuff that I can, but,” The two of you know what he means when he stops speaking. There was never an opportunity for Jimin to even try. “According to Yerin, if you and other producers didn’t make everything themselves, I’d be out of a job as an idol.”
“Why didn’t you tell me?”
Jimin turns towards your risen voice, finding your forehead creased in frustration, lips frowning like you hadn’t been trusted. He swallows air, not sure if you’d find his reasoning acceptable, because even Jimin thinks it’s just a testament to how cowardly he acted.
“I never mentioned the song rejections because I was embarrassed,” He pauses noticing your expression become more hurt, but he doesn’t stop. “You’re a genius at making songs, and I thought I was so bad at it that I couldn’t even be successful on my own without the company making everything that I am.” Jimin watches you continue to bite your lip, perhaps holding back words until he’s finished.
“But by the time you started talking about wanting to receive credit for your songs, I got scared that everything would fall apart for my own career.” He groans, rubbing his face with both hands as he shakes his head, “I know it was fucking greedy-- I really do know that, when I think about it now I get so upset. You’re getting what you deserve now though; you’ll be able to do what you want as a songwriter and producer and I’m glad. It took me losing you to get over being selfish and that’s always going to be something I have to live with, but if anything good came out of this I’m glad it’s you moving on. I’m happy for you,” When he smiles, Jimin wonders why you no longer look willing to speak. “Even if I’m not in your life anymore, I’ll still support whatever you do. I promise that.”
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Namjoon, 6:14pm: You and Yoongi did WHAT?
Seokjin, 6:16pm: Tell me why the first song of the three is so good. How did you both make it so good?
Namjoon, 6:26pm: Y/N respond, you can’t just send a vague fucking text like that and not say anything else, where are you at and what is going on?
You stare at the four hour old text messages from just moments after your initial message in the groupchat. The words bump around as the taxi goes over rough asphalt rounding a corner, but you don’t think of a reply. Too focused on the conversation between you and Jimin that concluded just as the sun was halfway away for the night. You put your phone away in your bag, feeling the car drift to a stop as the reasons for Jimin’s silence repeat in your mind over and over.
So absentmindedly you saunter into the apartment complex, filing into the elevator and clicking the floor number while you try and think of why he would have never told you about his own problems with Yerin. No matter how the sentences repeat, it sounds like he was manipulated into submission as well as you were, yet to the extent of being your enemy in a way. Though you doubted he was actively conscious of the fact for so long, and even so Jimin’s already apologized to you. He’s settled the confusion, so why are you dwelling?
It takes a moment to realize where you are, and with a shake of your head you press your finger into the doorbell, then use the same hand to rub your temples. There’s a piece you can’t connect within yourself, that makes the conversation had so unnatural from how you would assume you’d react. You just sigh, trying to settle down your head before startling at the front door opening.
Yoongi reveals behind the door, simply looking at you for a moment. He steps back to open it wider, “You look like you’re drained.”
“Thanks.” You huff, stepping into his apartment,while frowning at the idea that everyone who has seen you probably thought the same way. You dismiss the thoughts, turning back towards Yoongi, but having to shimmy around once more as he walks off towards his couch. “Yoon-” You start a question out of confusion, but pause as you recall his dismissive exit earlier from the company.
Slowly you step towards the couch after him, watching as he slumps into the corner. You stop short of his lounging legs, head tilting as you watch him rub his face and stifle a groan, “Does your head hurt?” “No,” He laughs at your observation, in a way non judgemental, but genuinely humored by its simplicity. Then Yoongi lets his arms fall to either side of him, while he looks up toward the ceiling, “No. I acted dumb earlier. I’m sorry about it.”
“Well, I messed up our plans for dinner to talk to Jimin. I get why you would be disappointed in me. I’m sure it seemed really weird for me to do.”
“I wasn’t disappointed.” Yoongi speaks flatly, hand toying with the hair most atop his head while continuing to look up towards the ceiling. “When I was talking to Hoseok about it he said I acted like I was jealous.”
You giggle a little, thinking of the implication of the emotion and finding it a bit out of place for Yoongi’s character. From what you’ve learned about him he seems entirely trusting, though not always calm, still understanding enough to know there wasn’t a need when Jimin and you have only a completely collapsed relationship between you both.
Then you wonder about the idea of why you find the need for Yoongi to be jealous to be silly. Why would he find himself jealous about Jimin, and why do you automatically think it’s baseless.
“Did the talk go well?”
“What?” You blurt, looking up from the floor to Yoongi. His head straightens properly to look at you, finding your question strange. His lips frown towards you and then you realize what you’ve said and shake your head, “Oh, yeah.” You shrug, as Yoongi sits up, feet lying flat on the floor.
“What happened?” He asks with narrowing eyes, voice softly concerned that something went wrong because of your scattered disposition. “Did he say something, angel?”
Before his questions register you consider his nickname for you, wondering when he began using it but finding no point of time in particular. “He apologized to me.”
Yoongi notices his heart beat louder than usual, but does his best to ignore the unneeded anxiousness. “For what?”
“He was telling me that he should’ve never been selfish about wanting me to keep being uncredited. Yerin made him think he can’t succeed without all of the construction behind the scenes,” You bite your lip, thinking about the amount of worry he most likely had along with its confliction because you’re sure he truly didn’t want to hurt you through any of the internal issues. “He said he regrets losing him and I because of his fear.”
“Then what’s stopping you both from getting back together again?” Yoongi speaks without filter, but wants to retract every word instantly. The knot in his throat returns, and he wants to stop from hearing whatever you could say. He recalls the concern laced in your eyes upon seeing Jimin earlier and thinks that he doesn’t want the idea of returning to be considered.
But as you look up at him with widening eyes, Yoongi realizes he doesn’t want to get hurt by potentiality. His voice takes over again, “If he had told you then, you’d still be together with him, wouldn’t you?”
“But he didn’t tell me then!” You retort instantly, volume picking up from the insinuation of his words to push you back towards Jimin.
Yoongi stays quiet, watching you with a forming frown as you appear to grow frustrated. He should leave it at this, he should’ve divulge further, but it bothers him still-- that nagging memory of you being unaware that he took his hand from yours earlier, and all of the other instances he’s watched you be heartbroken because of Jimin-- because, “You still love him though.”
Your shoulders visibly lose tension, Yoongi swallows hard at the sight of it. Inhaling a deep breath, you consider his assumption. Consider that you haven’t brought up Jimin in so long only to go out of your way to privately speak with him right in front of Yoongi’s eyes. Consider that you never thought about the direction of your feelings for Jimin after more than a month.
When the memories play over in your head once more, you can say that they still fill you with a bittersweet joy. Thinking of all of the times you spent with Jimin while the two of you were so new to the idol industry, it’s natural to be fond.You were friends with Jimin long before there became the physical relationship, and you’ve cared for him in growing ways ever since you met him.
Jimin isn’t a bad person. And from where you left off with him today, you’re positive towards the idea that he’s changed from the fear in his yelling months earlier at the party. You still believe he’s capable of more than that and seeing whatever comes for him is a warm thought. You still care about him. There has never been a question of your changing care towards Jimin when he played such a large role in your life for so many years, you want what would be best for him.
But as you look on at Yoongi, you can’t find the perspective that he seems to believe about you. The thought never occurred to you, and certainly you can’t pinpoint a day of change, but when you try and consider fixing what has broken between you and Jimin you’re unable to process a way. And when you find Yoongi’s eyes staring straight into yours, you find that you haven’t thought about Jimin through a rose colored lense in awhile.
“No, I don’t.”
Yoongi stays silent, replaying your response in his head quite a few times. His eyebrows narrow, muted disbelief surfacing on his face as he stands from the couch. Your eyes follow his, Yoongi catches the fact as well as your lips tightening into a line, maybe out of surprise for your own words. But before he’s able to think further your head shakes,
“I haven’t for weeks now.” You take a breath, shocking yourself by how you’re able to go on about this despite realizing it only as the words escape, “I did, but I really don’t anymore.” Your hair shakes as you twist your head back and forth, wondering if there was ever a precise moment where your feelings no longer extended towards Jimin.
“I never even thought about the idea that I had stopped,” You laugh at the nonsense of the fact, watching Yoongi’s feet pad forward, eyes evidently concerned to some extent about your ramblings. “It’s so weird-- you’d think I would’ve figured it out sooner, right?” You ignore Yoongi shaking his head to your words. “I don’t know when I stopped, or,”
You let him take your hand into his for comfort, not-believing it would remain for long. But you selfishlessly let the touch linger onwards. Undoubtedly the shock of your conclusions will make Yoongi pull away. There’s time to stop, you think that there’s no reason to shovel out so many of your emotional words at once. It’s impulsive, without calculation for any of the words you’ve said, but you think about the meaning of your last ones. Knowing there should be more tact and grace, or build up that isn’t after the rantings of your ending feelings in your past relationship, but through all of this, the words themselves no longer wish to be kept hidden in the background of your mind, so they flutter out in an exasperated whisper,
“Or when I started having feelings for you.”
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SIGNAL BOOST
SUPPORT YONGGUK’S SOLO ALBUM

BABYz, it’s almost time and Yongguk’s first solo album will be released! I for one am super excited as it’s literally a dream come true for me personally! Are you as excited as I am? Only 5 more days to go!!
I am sure Yongguk will upload the MV to “Hikikomori” to his Youtube channel (or possibly to Consentmedia’s if they already have one) – and this is where we (you & me!) come in!
We all know that sadly our fandom (BABYz/B.A.P’s) is not as big as it used to be…so there is not all that much attention on what the guys are doing. Which means we will have to work hard to get them the recognition they deserve!
Yongguk’s doing his best to establish his solo career here (any maybe lay groundwork for when B.A.P comes back?!) so let’s support him as best we can!
THE IMPORTANCE OF YOUTUBE VIEWS
YouTube views are extremely important. As we know, Korean music shows count them to decide weekly winners. The views will determine how popular the group/artist is internationally and are converted to points together with SNS popularity. The artist also gets paid depending on the number of views/clicks – and we all know that Yongguk probably paid for the production of his album all by himself, so he depends on the success of it! More views also mean the video will get featured more often on the start page and/or next to relevant/related videos which will increase his popularity & thus the chance of more views and maybe even new fans!
OUR GOAL
2 Million in 24 hours
Every view counts! Now, how do we increase the views successfully?
Sadly, Youtube has caught on to how we increased views in the past, so simply having the video on loop (and possible muted) won’t work anymore. Here are the steps / different methods to make our views count:
Computor/Laptop
1. Please use a browser that uses addons/extensions (Chrome, Firefox etc)
2. Download extensions for Auto Reload (or Auto Refresh), Auto HD and Adblock and enable them
3. For Auto HD, the quality should be 720p or more to guarantee a view, as for Auto Reload, set it to 5 min (Or 4 min 30 sec if you have a fast internet)
4. Disable Autoplay on youtube and play the MV
5. Make sure to delete your cookies and history before rewatching to increase views!
6. Use a VPN to hide your ip address so that your ip isn't marked as spam!
Android/iPhone
1. Open youtube and play the Music Video.
2. After it ends, close the video and go to settings.
3. From settings, go to the privacy section and delete your watch history.
4. Rewatch the mv and repeat step 1-2
Creating a playlist
1. If you want to create a Playlist, create one with the official MV and his official performances (at least 3 videos) from your YouTube account. MAKE SURE YOU SET THE PLAYLIST IN PUBLIC.
- Get the link and log out from your account.
- Open an incognito tab and load your Playlist.
- Set the Playlist on autoplay.
REMEMBER TO CLEAR HISTORY AND DELETE COOKIES EVERY ONCE IN AWHILE
2. Loop a Playlist on incognito in one window, use auto refresh on another window and occasionally watch the MV after another video on the third window.
3. Use as many streaming devices as you can - Computer, ipad/tablets, phone and use the Playlist method.
IMPORTANT ADVICE FOR STREAMING
1. Don’t stream in incognito mode (if it’s not a playlist!) as that wouldn’t increase views and would be counted as spam!
2. Don’t stream the video by putting it on loop (for browsers) as it will not increase views! Loop will work if you have it on a playlist!!
3. Don’t pause or increase/decrease the speed of the music video! You need to be logged in as well!
4. If you’re not using an adblock watch out for ads because they make sure your view is being counted!
5. Some browsers do need to be logged out and in to stream but I haven’t had a problem streaming the way I mentioned!
6. You can always try the “easy” version by logging out, deleting history and logging back in to stream!
7. The volume has to be at 50% or higher. If you intended to just have it play in the background, mute your pc/speakers, not youtube itself or use headphones (you don`t actually have to wear them 😉 ).
8. Watch at least 2-3 videos before rewatching “Hikikomori” as there has to be a gap for the views to be counted, otherwise it will be counted as spam and deleted. You could always watch one of Yongguk’s other MVs such as “Yamazaki” or “Drunkenness” to support him further!
9. YouTube is trying to get rid of low-quality playback, they analyze a collection of views to distinguish those that are real compared to those that are 'robot-like'. So with that in mind, show YouTube that you are human, stream in high-quality.
10. Remember to clear your cookies every 9 – 15 views or else Youtube will probably catch on to what you’re doing!
11. Like, comment & share the MV: Share the link on all your social media accounts (Twitter, fb, Tumblr, etc.), clicks from shared links will count as views. Ask all your friends!!! THE MORE VIEWS AND COMMENTS AN MV HAS, THE MORE IT IS SUGGESTED ON EVERY OTHER KPOP MVS.
That’s it! I know it sounds like a lot of work but I promise it isn`t as difficult as it sounds at first. 😊
Please keep in mind that Yongguk is working very hard to bring something awesome to us again and that he tends to work too much and too long because he wants it to be perfect for us. Show him how much we appreciate and love him for it! Please also remember the topic of “Hikikomori”. Yongguk is putting himself out there to address the issue and it seriously hits close to home. Not only for himself but to many of us I imagine. That takes a lot of courage and bravery, so please show him how much we respect him for it!
There are also a number of other fan projects out there, check them out and participate if possible!
Links to other projects: Twitter & Tumblr
Disclaimer: The explanations are not mine, credit to the awesome people who wrote them! ♥
#b.a.p#yongguk#bang yongguk#hikikomori#himchan#daeyhun#youngjae#jongup#zelo#babyz#signal boost#fan support#I should really be studying for my uni exams yet here I am#priorities#please support our leader with all your heart#he deserves the world#show him how much we appreciate him#how much we love and respect him#foreverwithyongguk#sorry for the long post haha
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8. your favourite graphic and or gif created by yourself
aaa probably this one?? it’s one of the first ones i did but .. the base panel was so good & it just. i think it turned out nice!! also this one was really cute.. i haven’t done gifs past then because i don’t wanna deal with downloading eps & shit like that (i don’t have the patience.. adhd mood) & i feel guilty using others’ gifs as bases even when they say it’s ok but! i think it’s. she’s babey
10. what graphics / gif trends do you dislike most?
i don’t… i don’t really dislike any? um i’m not really “in the graphic community” in that i’ve never like. studied it & i’ve only recently made them & made friends like u who make them too (& ofc bc of that i pay more attention to fully appreciate everyone’s works but!!! aa)
um if there’s a trend... whitewashing SDKFFJ like it’s not so much a Trend as a byproduct of heavy psds? yeah. also i really like soft colors & lining so when it’s just. Harsh (this is mostly from my experience in the rpc) it’s ... yeah.
oh and flashing things?? especially on people’s themes / whatever where there’s not a warning?? i rly don’t have patience for that ;; and those edits where it’s like. it’s clear it’s not meant to be readable / consumed well & it just looks like a blur & u can’t tell what’s going on????
OH AND THE LIP THING. MY PET PEEVE. this hasn’t appeared in the op fandom (yet.. thank goodness) but in the bnha fandom adding a giant lip to characters they hc as black or even to be of color ..... like.. it looks ugly?? first of all bc it’s not done how it would Actually look & kinda just arbitrarily placed like “oh they have big lips look im inclusive :)” & it’s clear they’re just using stereotypes & not putting thought into it? (ex: giving east asians big lips too even though east asians tend to have thin lips????) and it’s just. Not Handled well. and the noses too they’re so often made to be. caricatures really. like when doing indian characters they’ll make it like a giant triangle or something and it’s .... it’s like they tried so hard to be inclusive that they looped around and just made it racist.
11. what graphics / gif trends do you like most?
coloring things sdkfdkfjdskfj it’s so pretty.... i esp love seeing people’s colors for characters that haven’t been given official colors yet, esp when i like them better than the original!! um & just.. everything saint does w their graphics are. SO good i’ve talked abt this before for like an hour in my gc but.. Holy shit
21. how much time do you spend on a single graphic / gif?
i don’t usually do gifs??? like i’ve done it one (1) time. um but with graphics.... it really depends. how complicated is it? is there background? how many charas? do i already have headcanons for what the chara looks like or am i figuring it out as i go along? mmm i’ve been trying to spend more time on my graphics recently so i can try to be more proud of them but? for a single character no background panel... 20 min? it really depends tho because most of mine i make during lectures in class,, meaning that i’m not 100% engaged with it or anything,, it’s more like i’m doodling but instead i’m. editing graphics.
32. the least notes a graphic / gif of yours has ever gotten that you feel deserves way more. (link it!)
agjdskfjdsf i don’t really like my graphics very much? i think i’ve said this before. like to find things for this ask (part of why it took so long) i went through my shit and found like.. 5 i liked. and so it’s not so much “i think i deserve more notes” as i “wish it would have been better before i posted it but also like. i’m done with it at this point..” the ones i do like tend to get noticed, even if it’s like a week after it’s posted? so i think the least is like .. 71 notes? & 72 notes. those 2 respectively fsdkfj. now if it was about my art… there’s a recent alyanette i posted on @/atvie but it’s not rly noticed but that’s ok!! fskdfj
there are some graphics that are low-effort but i wish had more notes just because i want to interact with the fandom but the fandom’s like. Really Small like with lookism & act-age & oresama teacher (like my most recent posts basically) so i don’t really expect much sdfjdkj
38. are you working on anything right now? if yes, show us a work in progress!
i’m not really? like i’ll start one & then i’ll be like. Fuck it. & just never look at it again because it gets buried in all of my other pages but. here’s one from last night?? that im probably never gonna finish also click maybe bc tumblr quality is .. Not Great... this one was wild cause i had my colors in mind & then once i was done with the clothing i just. switched them to the canon colors (mostly) by looking up the anime cap & while it may be more fitting to them i Don’t Like the Colors. also i gave robin a pantsuit. yes i know she was on the fire side of the island but she’s goth smh... u gotta have dedication
ask meme / @toooticki
#sry i just moved it here cause!! this is my new graphics blog#toooticki#out of. //#answered. //#aaa tysm!! ilu
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the best character creator
do u want to make characters but cant draw for shit or ur hands are tired of holding a pen?? have you ever raged at character creators bc they only have 10 hairstyles and 5 outfits??? fear no more because here’s Kisekae!!!
the models start like the default girl on the left, but w some effort you can make your husbando, cute gremlins, pokemon gijinka or whatever u want!!!
ok but, what is Kisekae?
Kisekae is a flash game/application that works mostly as a character creator, using a mix of interchangeable parts, bits you can move around freely, and lots of sliders to change sizes and positions. Think of it as the 2D version of the Sims/Spore creators.
ngl it started as a k-on hentai game back in like 2011?? there’s still k-on girls and lewd stuff around but the focus is far from it now.
HERE is the sfw link and HERE is the nsfw one. careful w the hentai ads. You can also download an offline version from the creator’s Enty site
IF U WANNA TRY IT OUT CLICK THE READ MORE FOR A SMOL TUTORIAL
so u wanna learn about the suffering that is kisekae?? dont listen to people who say it’s the lazy tool for people too lazy to draw just like drawing, you can make a quick sketch in 10 mins or spend 6 hours adding detail and makin sure everything is PERFECT
so after this disclaimer lets bring it on!!!! click on a link and wait for the randomly generated k-on ocs to load
maybe when you open it for the first time, the tabs look like this. THIS IS BAD it means it loaded on the easy mode.
click here to unlock the Expert mode. it sounds scary, but it’s actually been the default mode for years. now you should see a lot of tabs.
LETS TALK ABOUT THE IMPORTANT STUFF FIRST
SAVING.
This is the save tab. “SAVE” and “LOAD” save the entire scene in a .txt (all models, background, items etc). "Export” shows the codes of the selected models, so you can copy them and store them somewhere. You go to “Import” to paste codes and load characters. The small pencil button opens a window to save and load entire scenes in the app’s cookies. It’s very handy but you will lose everything if you clear your cookies. The last two buttons save or load ALL the data you have in the game, aka all the scenes you saved with the pencil button.
KISEKAE DOESNT HAVE AN UNDO BUTTON SO SAVE OFTEN IN CASE YOU MESS UP
TAKING PICTURES
fOR THE LOVE OF GOD DO NOT DARE TAKE SCREENSHOTS there’s a handy way to save better quality pics. First slider is the zoom. It’ll be your best friend to get closer and edit faces and hairstyles and details and such. See that 05/05? That’s the PNG quality, so make sure it’s always at 5/5. The squares button next to the PNG one will make the background transparent when you snap a picture. Very cool, bc kisekae backgrounds are kinda ugly. The icon on the far right lets you select a region of the screen that’s great too
STOP THE AHEGAO
Next. If you click on the model’s clothes you’ll notice they disappear and they get surprised. The automatic emotions were good when it was a porn game but to actually create content it’s just annoying idk why it still automatically loads like that tbh.
Anyway, go here to set the facial expressions to manual mode. The “Select/All” switch makes you edit all the models at the same time or just one. (Note: as pochi adds more tabs, they can get moved around and be put in a different group. just keep looking thru the pages until you find the icon you want)
HAVE ONLY ONE MODEL
You’ll most likely don’t need all 9 models at the same time, so you can go here to deactivate them. tbh it’s placed in a really weird place... a year ago it wasnt as confusing idk why Pochi added this update :/
TIME TO HAVE FUN
My recommendation is clicking on everything to see what happens. That’s honestly the best way to learn how to use it. Instead of explaining how to make good looking stuff (i cant do that bc. there’s not a single way of “doing things right” this is artistic expression u do what u do) i’ll jsut give some tips and tricks
1. HOLD SPACE TO GO OVER THE LIMITS OF MOST SLIDERS. It works wonders. Make heads smaller, shoulders broader, eyes thinner, hair pieces larger, bend time and space with the unlimited power of space key.
2. HAIR PIECES ARE NOT HAIR PIECES. BELTS ARE NOT BELTS. RIBBONS ARE NOT RIBBONS. Think of them as shapes to make stuff. Use hair pieces to make capes. Use the lines in the facemark section to draw a new nose. Make entire pieces of clothing out of belts and ribbons. The only downside is that if you move the head, hair pieces and ribbons move with them so making clothes out of ribbons turns your characters into statues
3. CLICK ON CLOTHES TO CHANGE STUFF. If you click on some clothing pieces you can change some things like unbuttoning shirt buttons, opening sweaters, putting sunglasses on their head and removing parts of scarves.
4. THE DEFAULT PALETTE IS UGLY. please do use a custom one
5. YOU RAN OUT OF SLOTS? Use the free floating items on the 3rd set of tabs. You can have extra belts, ribbons, arms, furniture and speech bubbles. Even load external images. But keep in mind extra stuff is not attached to characters, so it won’t move around with them or save in their individual codes.
6. USE OTHER PEOPLE’S EXPORTS RESPONSIBLY. There are lots of people on deviantArt and the Pochi forums (official Kisekae forums) that make character, clothing or hairstyle exports for other people to load and use on their creations (like Sims mods!). However, most dA people have rules if you want to use them on something you upload, so make sure to read each user’s rules!
7. TECHNICALLY THERE ARE NO MALE, MUSCULAR OR BIG BODY TYPES. You can force it out, but we’ve been forever cursed with the hip size being linked to the leg size. So your guys will either have feminine hips or scrawny ass legs. There aren’t any muscle options apart from abs, and the most similar thing we have for chub is a pregnant looking belly. You can always edit it with photoshop later or suffer and make muscles and fat with belts and hairs.
Have fun suffering with Kisekae!!! Feel free to ask me questions on how to do X or Y, or request me to expand more information about stuff like what each tab does.
CLICK HERE FOR THE OFFICIAL GUIDE!! It does explain a bit what each tab does, and also explains the keyboard shortcuts. It’s in japanese, but nothing google translate can’t fix if you need it.
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RESPONSIVE NAVIGATION MENU BAR
Hello guys, today I am going to show you how to make a cool responsive navigation menu bar which will work on all devices. Suppose, we want to create a navigation menu bar for a website/blog and want it to work perfectly for all kinds of devices.
First of all, let me show you how this menu will look on different devices.
ON LAPTOP / DESKTOP
ON MOBILE
Hope you would have liked the look of this navigation menu bar. Yes?
Ok great, let’s start by writing an HTML code for all the items we need for the Menu Bar.
HTML
<header> <div class="logo">PAGE TITLE</div> <nav> <ul> <li><a href="/">HOME</a></li> <li><a href="#!" class="sub-menu">CATEGORY 1 <i class="fa fa-caret-down"></i></a> <ul> <li><a href="">LINK 1</a></li> <li><a href="">LINK 2</a></li> <li><a href="">LINK 3</a></li> </ul> </li> <li><a href="#!" class="sub-menu">CATEGORY 2 <i class="fa fa-caret-down"></i></a> <ul> <li><a href="">LINK 1</a></li> <li><a href="">LINK 2</a></li> <li><a href="">LINK 3</a></li> </ul> </li> <li><a href="">CONTACT</a></li> <li><a href="">ABOUT</a></li> </ul> </nav> <div class="menu-toggle"><i class="fa fa-bars" aria-hidden="true"></i></div> </header>
Now, copy and paste the above HTML code between <body>...</body> tag (Preferably just after <body>).
CSS
After writing HTML code for our navigation menu bar, Now it’s time to style them. So now we are styling them in a dark color. You can change the background colors and text colors as per your preference.
And also we are adding media query to change how it might look for different screen sizes i.e Responsive. Here we are adding two media query breakpoints as (max-width:1024px) and (max-width: 768px).
Now copy and paste the code shown below, inside the <style>...</style> tag.
header { position:absolute; top:0px; left:0px; padding:0 50px; background:#000; width:100%; box-sizing:border-box; z-index:999; } header .logo { float:left; height:50px; line-height:50px; } header .logo img { height:50px; }
header .logo h1 { font-size:30px; color:#fff; font-family:sans-serif; line-height:.5; }
header nav { float:right; } header nav ul { margin:0; padding:0; display:block; } header nav ul li { list-style:none; display:inline; position:relative; } header nav ul li a { font-size:14px; font-weight:normal; height:50px; line-height:50px; padding:0 20px; color:#fff; text-decoration:none; display:inline-block; } header nav ul li.active { background-color:#2196f3; display:inline-block; } header nav ul li ul { position:absolute; left:0; top:50px; background:#003e6f; display:none; } header nav ul li.active ul { display:block; } header nav ul li ul li { display:block; width:200px; border-bottom:1px solid rgba(0,0,0,.2);} header nav ul li ul li a { display:block; padding:0 20px; } header nav ul li a:hover,header nav ul li a:active { background:#2196f3; color:#fff; } .menu-toggle { color:#fff; float:right; line-height:50px; font-size:24px; cursor:pointer; display:none; width: auto; height: 50px; padding:0 15px; box-sizing:border-box; background:#000; }
@media screen and (max-width:1024px){ header{padding:0 30px;} header nav ul li a{padding:0 10px;}
@media screen and (max-width:768px){ .headerads{display:none;} header{position:absolute;padding:0 5%;} .menu-toggle{display:block;height:50px;} header nav{position:absolute;width:100%;min-height:100vh;height:120vh;min-height:550px;background:#333;top:50px;left:-100%;transition:.5s;} header nav.active{left:0;top:50px;} header nav ul{width:100%;display:block;text-align:center;} header nav ul li{width:100%;display:block;border-bottom:1px solid rgba(0,0,0,.2);} header nav ul li a{display:block;} header nav ul li.active ul{position:relative;background:#003e6f;top:0;} header nav ul li ul li{width:100%;text-align:center;}
And to show the Font Awesome icons, we have to add font awesome library CSS file into the head section. Copy and paste the code which is shown below in <head>...</head> section.
<link rel="stylesheet" href="https://cdnjs.cloudflare.com/ajax/libs/font-awesome/4.7.0/css/font-awesome.min.css">
JAVASCRIPT
Now copy and paste the javascript code given below just before the closing body tag i.e. </body>
<script type="text/javascript" src="https://cdnjs.cloudflare.com/ajax/libs/jquery/3.4.1/jquery.min.js"></script>
<script async type="text/javascript"> $(document).ready(function(){ $('.menu-toggle').click(function(){ $('nav').toggleClass('active') $(this).find('i').toggleClass('fa-bars fa-times') }) $('ul li').click(function(){ $(this).siblings().removeClass('active'); $(this).toggleClass('active'); }) $(document).on("click", function(e) { if ($(e.target).is(".sub-menu") === false) { $("ul li").removeClass('active'); } }); }) </script>
Save the document and THAT’S IT!! Voila!! Now your navigation menu bar is ready and responsive.
VIEW DEMO
If you still facing any problem with the code or still have doubts about how and where to put the codes, feel free to ask in the comment section below. I will reply to your question as soon as possible. And if you liked this, then don’t forget to like, comment & share. Thank you.
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Best Ever Tropical Fruit Salad (With video)
Best Ever Tropical Fruit Salad is the only recipe you'll ever need. My entire picky family devoured this fruit salad. The dressing is truly magical. The combination of citrus juices with honey are phenomenal in the fruit salad dressing. Then we added a few special ingredients that give it a little nuttiness and a touch of zestiness to kick it up a notch. Perfect any-occasion dish.

How to Make Fruit Salad
Fruit salads are a pretty reliable sign of spring and warmer weather around here. We love fruit in our house, we eat it year round, but come spring our counters and refrigerator are packed with fresh fruit. I love how bright it is and love creating new dishes with it. Throughout the warmer months you will see fruit filled cakes, fruit ice pops, fruit ice cream and even fruit cocktails (the adult kind) in our house.
This past week we had a group party at the park with Munchkin's ATA (Taekwondo) friends and I wanted to bring something light and healthy, as temps here in Arizona hit 96 this past weekend.
I could only think of bringing ice pops or fruit and I figured fruit would travel much better in 96-degree temps. I have to say it was a brilliant decision and I am pretty sure every drop was devoured, although I can't know for sure.
We did leave a little early. Chad mentioned ice cream and the next thing you know we were in the car driving to Dairy Queen. You know, priorities. LOL
As I was saying, the fruit salad.... The very next day I decided to test the fruit salad recipe and I have to say the second recipe test resulted in my 'happy dance' AND a few pats on the back as I shouted out "I AM A GENIUS! OH MY GOSH, THIS IS DIVINE!"
Ok, so I guess you figured out that I love the fruit salad and you are probably wondering what is so special about it.
Tropical Fruit Salads are pretty fantastic on their own. I mean look at the players: pineapple, mango, kiwi, mandarin oranges and strawberry (for a pop of color).
They can certainly pull off a fantastic dish all on their own. But, you know how well lime compliments those tropical flavors, right? What about lime, honey, and ginger?
They are a true flavor affinity! Then to kick it up a notch we added in lemon and more orange. Last, for a little nuttiness, I added poppyseed.
My masterpiece! The Best Ever Tropical Fruit Salad. This is the only one you need to try.
My entire picky family devoured this fruit salad. The dressing is truly magical. The combination of citrus juices with honey and poppy seeds.
The ginger gives this fruit salad a little zestiness that really kicks it up a notch, but it is subtle enough that no one will really be able to put their finger on the flavor.
Enjoy, oh and bring the recipe. People will be asking for it!
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Helpful Tips to make Best Ever Tropical Fruit Salad:
This fruit salad is fabulous with whatever you have on hand. I love carambola (star fruit) and papaya in this salad as well.
Bananas are lovely, but have to be added at the last minute or they will get soft and not look pretty.
If you want to make the salad ahead, prepare the dressing and store it in the refrigerator in a mason jar until 30 minutes or so before you are ready to serve. Shake the dressing, pour over the salad and toss to combine.
What you will need to make Best Ever Tropical Fruit Salad:
Citrus Juicer - This makes juicing the lime much easier. Plus you’ll get every last drop out.
Microplane/Zester - This is great for zesting citrus. I also use mine to grate garlic.
Colander - Washing fresh fruit is much easier with a colander. Plus it’s great for draining pasta too.
Enjoy!
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Yield: 12 CupsAuthor: Donna ElickPrint Recipe
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Best Ever Tropical Fruit Salad
The Best Ever Tropical Fruit Salad is the only recipe you'll ever need. My entire picky family devoured this fruit salad. The dressing is truly magical. The combination of citrus juices with honey are phenomenal. Then we added a few special ingredients that give it a little nuttiness and a touch of zestiness to kick it up a notch. Perfect any-occasion dish.
prep time: 25 MINScook time: total time: 25 mins
Ingredients
12 mandarin oranges, divided (for dressing and salad)
2 cup strawberries, sliced
1 pineapple, cut into bite-size chunks
5 kiwi, sliced
3 mangoes, cut into bite-size chunks
Citrus Poppy Seed Dressing
1 medium lemon
1 lime
1/4 cup honey
1/2 teaspoon Gourmet Garden Ginger Paste or fresh grated ginger
1/2 teaspoon poppy seeds
Instructions
Wash and dry lemon, lime and 2 mandarin oranges. Zest the washed and dried citrus with a zester or fine grater. Add to 1 cup measuring cup or small bowl. Cut each in half and squeeze the juice into the measuring cup. (You should get about 1/2 cup juice). Add honey, ginger and poppy seeds to juice mixture and whisk until combined. Set aside or place in the refrigerator if serving later.
Prepare remaining fruit. Slice strawberries and kiwi. Section remaining oranges. Cut pineapple and mango into bite size chunks. Place fruit in a large bowl. Pour dressing on top of fruit about 30 minutes before serving. Gently toss to coat.
Serve and enjoy!
DONNA'S NOTE
This fruit salad is fabulous with whatever you have on hand. I love carambola (star fruit) and papaya in this salad as well. Bananas are lovely, but have to be added at the last minute or they will get soft and not look pretty.
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How Much You Need To Expect You'll Pay For A Good coffee face mask
As a powerhouse of vital nutrients; Honey has certainly been a favorite of your nutritionist, dieticians, attractiveness gurus and naturopaths for good reasons effectively-outlined. Some details about Honey: It dates again to in excess of 4000 decades This DIY face mask to remove blackheads also contains sandalwood powder that acts to be a all-natural absorbent and cleanser, gently scrubbing and extracting blackheads out of your pores and skin. Why invest https://www.facebook.com/steptoremedies/posts/2099810723445530 than $twenty on the retailer-bought facial scrub once they keep on your face for just minutes and all Those people extravagant ingredients get washed down the drain? I do think I’ll in fact Incorporate three and 4 because I've dry and inflamed skin. One of several benefits of utilizing these kinds of components is they gained’t respond poorly jointly like atore purchased ones may possibly! Combination pores and skin implies you may have a rather oily T-zone and drier cheeks with dry patchy places right here and t here . website -dependent mask is ideal for balancing out the oily and dry areas of your skin. So we scoured Pinterest for the top face mask recipes to restore the skin. All of them involve very good-for-you elements like avocado, honey, oatmeal as well as chocolate—all things that is most likely presently sitting down within your kitchen cupboards. Begin Slideshow https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ua9o4c15Z1Y has become independently chosen and reviewed by our editorial staff. If you make a invest in utilizing the links bundled, we may perhaps generate commission. In this economy, why devote $30 or more with a leg wax when you are able to do it your self? I've several pals who wax their own individual legs and I learned a recipe for any sugar "wax" on the Double X Web-site for Females. Editor Hanna Rosin shares her family members's recipe. Applying honey regularly on your skin can provide you with success past your creativeness and might go a great distance in giving you balanced, younger hunting and glowing skin. What exactly are some great benefits of Honey for Pores and skin and Face? This content material is accurate and correct to the most beneficial from the author’s understanding and isn't meant to substitute for formal and individualized suggestions from a qualified Experienced. Fuller’s earth or the multani mitti is surely an indigenous process to deal with numerous skin complications. It can be firm remover of oiliness and strongly fights the blackheads. In addition it dries to kind a agency mask. Considering that the peel is rich in vitamin C, it shields skin from cost-free radical destruction, retains acne at bay and promotes a healthy glowing skin. The oatmeal deep cleanses your pores and drives out any Dust, grime and oil with the surface with the skin. Listed here are five successful face packs for an acne-totally free pores and skin. The caffeine from coffee grounds On this cocoa-licious mask helps to lessen swelling and puffiness, when the antioxidants while in the cocoa aid to cut back growing old, and the yogurt replenishes lost moisture. > When it comes to make-up, There exists get which needs to be adopted to prevent makeup fails. Also, if you follow the proper buy, makeup stays in place for for a longer time however we would want to reiterate that it’s absolutely upto one’s own desire. Some Girls prefer to do their eyebrows very first while some others do […]
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Mix one tablespoon of quick coffee powder and more than enough freshly squeezed lemon juice for making a thick paste. Simply because cinnamon is so potent, I'd personally endorse only using this honey mask the moment a week at most. You can utilize one of many other, gentler honey masks on other days for those who’d like. Cinnamon can at times be annoying if your skin is admittedly delicate, so you should do a patch exam within the back again of your hand first. Using honey masks for acne therapy is really a very popular household remedy and If you're seriously interested in treating your acne inside of a pure, harmless way or if One's body does not answer effectively to absorbing medicines made of severe substances, then honey masks are the right choice for you. Your just lately seen merchandise and highlighted suggestions › See or edit your searching background This support makes it possible for you to join or associate a Google AdSense account with HubPages, so that you could earn revenue from adverts in your content. No knowledge is shared unless you interact with this particular characteristic. (Privateness Coverage) Yogurt and honey have antibiotic Attributes, and this whole Mix is nearly as good for your personal outsides as it can be in the drink. Use steptoremedies.com inside a slurp-in a position smoothie with the milk of your respective alternative. Don’t rub or therapeutic massage as you clean it off simply because you don’t want the elements to exfoliate the skin even more. It's going to go away your skin dry, leading to your oil glands to create more sebum, which may result in far more acne! Somewhat cinnamon oil may be used Together with the coconut oil, but I might only use a drop or two in a little jar of coconut oil–over that will melt away the skin. Didi’s just take: “Never Do this 1 before the children! Spirulina is eco-friendly, extremely eco-friendly. You'll appear like the Hulk. Having said that, I beloved this mask. click here smelled like banana and left my pores and skin vivid and so hydrated that it absolutely was truly springy towards the touch.” What you may need: two polished clamshells. (All those observed inside their natural condition with the Beach front are too rough against the skin. Uncover clean clamshells at seashellco.com.) Make use of a fork or just give it a whizz from the blender for your smoother face mask that can be easier to utilize. Contains strong anti-inflammatory and skin lightening Qualities. Helps fade acne scars and minimizing swelling and redness from acne. The ideal face mask for acne can’t be acquired at a pricey department retail store. In fact, it only includes a single component and it’s likely previously as part of your pantry! https://www.wikihow.com/Take-Care-of-Your-Skin ’s one among my particular favorites: the Uncooked honey mask.
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when you have extreme paleness or redness of your skin of your face: yeast face mask tones and offers to skin an attractive matte or pearly shade that can delight any individual. Unfold it evenly in your face and neck and chill out for 20 minutes. Gently rub the mixture although washing it off with h2o. This will help in removing the lifeless skin and brightens the complexion. Begin Slideshow Each product or service we function has been independently picked and reviewed by our editorial workforce. Should you come up with a order utilizing the inbound links provided, we may perhaps gain Fee. Therapeutic massage the mask on to your face for at least 2 minutes. Depart over the mask for quarter-hour. Clean off with heat drinking water 1st then chilly drinking water to shut off pores. via steptoremedies.com and honey have antibiotic Homes, and this entire blend is nearly as good for your outsides as it's inside a drink. Use any leftovers inside of a slurp-able smoothie Along with the milk within your decision. Egg White Face Masks—Egg whites are known for their capability to tone large pores and reduce surplus sebum, making them perfect for people with In a natural way oily skin. https://www.facebook.com/steptoremedies/ , 2014 at eight:19 pm Hi there! I\'m attempting the redness-cutting down mask for rosacea - I\'ve only applied a little bit on my face when compared with just what the recipe created, am i able to preserve it during the fridge for a few days to work with once more or do I really have to create a new combination every time? I've my fingers crossed it really works! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5BbUHcuKxY ! Coffee is not only a well known beverage. It is also a favourite ingredient of high-class pores and skin care goods. There are actually myriads of benefits of utilizing coffee for pores and skin treatment. It is often used for earning system scrubs. By mechanically exfoliating the pores and skin, the coffee scrubs make the skin sleek and tender and improves complexion. Lastly, scrub the skin using this type of mask and depart it for nearly fifty percent an hour or so to have tender, glowing pores and skin. It works for a purely natural bleach and lowers Solar tan when applies about thrice in a week for at least per month. for dilemma skin: these property facial mask is excellent: brewer’s yeast correctly cope with inflammations, acne and black factors; The product nourishes and gives pores and skin a delicate lustrous truly feel whilst honey functions as a mild astringent and the anti-septic Qualities it has really helps to cleanse skin of germs and dirt answerable for leading to acne. I exploit only New brewer's yeast with a little h2o or milk or lemon juice (for who may take this) or crops tea, come up with a paste, use on face, leave 10-15 mins, rinse, swipe a cotton ball total chamomile or tilia tea and then put Calendula oil or Macadamia oil-> perfection! Allow’s discover the potent nutrients in raw honey for its nourishing Added benefits to skin! Below, learn about three unique face masks you can try out for yourself at home, Each and every with a special gain. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beauty
What Does strawberry face mask Mean?
The sugar With this recipe works as a natural exfoliant useful in breaking apart scar tissue and unclogging pores and skin pores. Go away the mask on for around ten minutes and afterwards rinse it off with water. Use this splendor mask about a few times each week. If your adjective you utilize to explain the skin is “mature” or “dry”, this face mask is in your case. Its numerous elements put humidity again into your drained pores and skin and bring about a radiancy that maybe you have considered you missing for good. In this article’s the simple recipe. Then, position the yogurt and strawberries in the blender to mash or Incorporate together the yogurt and strawberries using a fork (a blender is effective ideal). It is best to employ raw, natural and organic honey rather than processed honey because the latter may well irritate your skin. In the bowl, mash the strawberries which has a fork right up until smooth. Increase from the honey and mix the ingredients jointly. Using clean up fingers or maybe a sanitized brush, gently utilize the combination throughout your face, steering clear of the eye region. A strawberry face mask could make the pores and skin glow additionally appear gorgeous, and helps you to treatment acne and acne scars. This face mask is ideal for oily pores and skin. for oily pores and skin: no other beauty item is able so would make narrow enlarged pores and reduce as soon as possible harmful shine from the face; You should use this to streamline signing up for, or signing in to your Hubpages account. No knowledge is shared with Facebook Except if you engage with this attribute. (Privateness Coverage) all right effectively it seems to obtain manufactured my skin smoother, but I've one particular suggestion: it might feel evident, but don’t set it in the eyebrows!! ? the cinnamon will get stuck in them and you've got to wipe it out harshly by using a wet paper towel or wipe hahah & also when rinsing your face don’t scrub along with your fingers, do it Carefully or it’ll bring about discomfort within the small pieces of cinnamon powder and it’s kinda painful ? I’m going to try and Test back in tomorrow early morning to determine if and of my acne has cleared up! Sounds like an incredibly refreshing facial mask! It will definitely scent fragrant far too. Thanks for sharing :) I in no way rubbed the yeast on my pores and skin to be a gommage or exfoliating motion prior to washing my face so maybe I could Do this following time. I attempted simply a mask for every se. Making use of orange juice on your own face is so beneficial. So just envision how far more helpful It will be to use the peel, full of pores and skin-boosting nutrients, on your face! Like another home face masks, yeast face mask has many indications to be used, which must be recognized prior to to undertake its planning. Yeast face mask is usually recommended: This magical face mask can confirm successful in holding the indications of ageing for instance pimples and fantastic lines at bay. Orange peel is great for decreasing oxidative pressure in pores and skin cells, which subsequently can help in preserving a youthful glowing pores and skin.
How Much You Need To Expect You'll Pay For A Good diy face mask
Soak uncooked rice within the drinking water. Following, go ahead and take strawberries and soaked rice and blend them in a single blender to make a sleek paste. Want to turn day to day right into a very good skin working day? Need to know tips on how to retain the skin youthful, fresh new, and glowing 24/7? Every single individual desires to appear and feel their finest always. Our confidence is right proportionate to the way in which we sense about ourselves. Deriving the very best from by yourself is even so a endeavor that may be considerably assisted with the usage of good goods. In the bowl, take some orange peel powder, sugar and almond oil. Be sure the level of sugar is equivalent on the peel powder and here you have an uncomplicated recipe to a lovely smelling lip balm that’s efficient and simple to produce. mask should be applied on clear skin in the face and keep for 20 minutes, then rinse underneath running h2o. Software: Utilize a layer of your apple honey mask on your own complete face. Wait for 10 to fifteen minutes and let the mask dry up a bit. After that, clean the mask off Along with the lukewarm drinking water and look forward to the results! Ideas: The apple honey mask works very best when it’s contemporary. To https://www.pinterest.com/pin/722616702689372461 , immediately after preparing, you shouldn’t maintain it while in the fridge to use later. Since it is so fast and simple to organize, make it just prior to deciding to intend to use it. August 2, 2014 at eight:19 pm Hello there! I\'m making an attempt the redness-cutting down mask for rosacea - I\'ve only used a small little bit on my face when compared to just what the recipe built, can I maintain it inside the fridge for a couple of days to implement once again or do I should produce a new mixture whenever? I have my fingers crossed it really works! Many thanks! for difficulty skin: these kinds of property facial mask is superb: brewer’s yeast properly cope with inflammations, acne and black factors; It contains zinc, an important part that encourages pores and skin regeneration and functions as an anti-inflammatory agent. Blend both of these ingredients in the bowl. Take another substantial bowl with heat water and spot the bowl Together with the combination on The nice and cozy h2o bowl for 2-3 minutes. face mask for dry skin from orange peels may seem like a strange thought, but it is extremely productive. You don’t consider it? Give it a check out and you'll be surprised by the outcome! For additional honey ideas, attempt honey and cinnamon for brighter skin or honey with cocoa and cream to exfoliate. These Do it yourself masks can work wonders for various skin issuesâfrom dry, cracked cheeks and uninteresting foreheads to acne breakouts. Try and use natural and organic elements When doable, as being the pores and skin in your face is thinner than other portions of Your whole body and might soak up toxins much more conveniently. Even though the yeast facial masks are really valuable to the skin, have this facility and contraindications: When you've got destroyed skin, you can find scratches, cuts, you are doing laser resurfacing, then right up until it is completely healed, It's not needed to generate a mask with yeast;
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Audioflow Review Should I Buy It
Audioflow Evaluation - Are you searching for even more expertise regarding Audioflow? Please read through my straightforward evaluation about it prior to selecting, to assess the weaknesses and strengths of it. Can it deserve your time and effort and cash?
Do Your YouTube Videos Suck? Make Them High-Quality Making Use Of These 4 Simple Tips.
YouTube is a big offer. I'm sure you've listened to the statistics attempting to explain simply how substantial YouTube is. As a matter of fact, before you end up reading this blog post, virtually 1,000 hrs of video clip will be published to YouTube. Yet right here's the reality: Most of those mins are dreadful. Boring, horrible top quality-- and also painful to watch.
If you want to stick out from the crowd as well as produce high-quality videos that individuals actually intend to watch, I have good information. By following simply a couple of basic tips, your Audioflow video clips will boost significantly, leading to even more sights, even more sales as well as even more recognition.
The most effective component? It's not mosting likely to cost you an arm as well as a leg either. Below's how:
1. Your audio top quality issues.
Amazed that my first suggestion includes sound? Don't be. Noise is probably more crucial to achieving a top quality flick than video clip. I know, that seems weird, yet stay with me a minute. People can forgive sub-par video quality. However if the noise is reduced, distorted or seems like it was tape-recorded inside a cave, your audiences are swiftly going to click following.
Spend some cash on a Lavalier microphone. Even a low-cost one, like the Audio-Technica ATR-3350-- $25.00 on Amazon.com-- would suffice. After that, after tape-recording the video, run a standard noise-removal filter to the recording. You'll be stunned at how much sound it gets rid of. Virtually every semi-advanced audio editor has this filter, as well as a fast search on YouTube will show you simply exactly how to do it. Or, employ someone on UpWork.com or Fiverr.com to get rid of the sound for you for a couple of bucks.
2. Lighting
Illumination does not require to be made complex, however Audioflow needs to be there. Lighting will make even a low-grade electronic camera produce much better video, and also individuals just appreciate viewing video clips that are well-lit.
If you are recording at your computer system, stick a couple workdesk lights behind and also around the display. You additionally may want to invest in a cost-effective lighting package, which can be acquired for as reduced as $150 from Amazon, such as this one that includes the background setup too. It additionally helps to place a light behind you, aimed away from you. This will aid you stick out from the background and also give more deepness to the final look.
3. Editing with dive cuts
Among the simplest and fastest methods to tape a video clip is using the jump-cut method. A jump cut is when your video clip is really composed of loads (or hundreds) of short little clips all positioned together to form one natural video.
The benefit of jump cut video clips is two-fold:
It saves time when recording, as you will not require to remember any long manuscripts.
It keeps the video clip speed moving along rapidly, thus keeping the customer engaged.
To tape-record a jump-cut video, draw up your entire script beforehand, but break it up into simple, easy-to-say sentences. As an example:
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Notice how each line is broken up, on it's own, right into short, basic sentences? This will certainly make your recording so much easier. After I've scripted the whole video, I merely order a friend/ spouse/ child to aid. We click the document button on the video camera, and my assistant reads one line out loud. I then duplicate that line while checking out the cam. After that, my helper reviews another line, as well as I say that line out loud.
This proceeds right with the video, and the various other individual's voice is later just edited out, leaving simply one constant, hectic narrative.
Here's an example of a jump-cut video clip, described within a jump-cut video from James Wedmore:.
4. Choose the appropriate cam.
Lastly, let's talk about the video camera you make use of. You have numerous options, depending on your rate variety. Allow's discuss the 3 most usual:.
Your laptop or computer: If you have an electronic camera on your laptop computer or computer, you can videotape with this. However, if your computer is greater than two years old, I 'd most likely advise acquiring a separate internet video camera, as the high quality will be a lot greater. You can select one up, such as this one, on Amazon.com for about $50.
Your smartphone: If you have a more recent apple iphone or various other smart device, you can in fact tape-record a pretty excellent Audioflow video using the built-in camera. As I discussed earlier, if you obtain the audio high quality as well as the illumination top quality right, this option could fit you just fine.
A digital single-lens response (DSLR) electronic camera: Ultimately, if your actually want to take your video clip to new heights, upgrade your camera to a DSLR video camera from a business such Nikon or Canon. DSLR cams can provide you the clearest picture, as well as the depth-of-field appearance (blurry background) that makes a video appearance specialist.
DSLR electronic cameras start around $400 (as well as rise significantly from there), such as the Canon EOS Rebel T5. I would certainly additionally advise upgrading to a 50mm lens for an extra specialist look with higher depth-of-field capacities.
Placing all of it With each other
Your videos do not need to draw. By carrying out the tips detailed in this blog post, you can take your video clips from "eh" to "amazing"-- without needing to break the bank doing it.
The following video clip is one I made that makes use of the ideas discussed in this blog post. This isn't perfect, by all means, however it completes the function: getting sights. And also in instance you are questioning exactly how I did the pop-up text, right here's guideline on that.
For even more excellent resources on making excellent quality Audioflow videos, look into:
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JamesWedmore.com: James is one of one of the most recognized online video instructors-- and for good factor. His video clips and programs have aided thousands, if not millions, of people make better video clips. I found out the jump-cut approach from James and use all of it the moment.
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Do you have any type of other suggestions for making video clips? Something simple and affordable that can make a big difference? Please, share your thoughts listed below.
Audioflow Review & Review
Designer: Josh Ratta
Product: Audioflow
Release Date: 2018-Nov-20
Introduce Time: 11:00 EST
Front-End Price: $37-$ 47
Particular niche: Video
What Is Audioflow?

Audioflow provides video makers with premium sound tracks for every sort of video clip. Every little thing from sluggish motion picture, upbeat ukelele, modern-day dancing and even logo design hurts & sound results for explainer video clips.
A premium choice of royalty-free tracks each individually developed from the ground up by specialist sound musicians (This is NOT CC or PLR).
It likewise includes a voice recorder, practical text-to-speech designer in upto 14 languages and 60 different voices and an audio gamer for podcasting!
Audioflow Features & Conveniences
Voice over recording Just link your mic, or utilize your desktop computer mic, hit document and also talk. "Dum da ..." After that modify & wait as an MP3 file. Easy, terrific sounding voiceovers. Done!
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Take a pay attention to several of the personalized made tracks you can make use of in all of your video clips, consisted of within audioflow.
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Provide your video clips a little a punchwith banging drums as well as heavy beats.
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Learning Gutenberg: React 101
Although Gutenberg is put together with React, the code we’re writing to make custom blocks isn’t. It certainly resembles a React component though, so I think it’s useful to have a little play to get familiar with this sort of approach. There’s been a lot of reading in this series so far, so let’s roll-up our sleeves and make something cool.
Article Series:
Series Introduction
What is Gutenberg, Anyway?
A Primer with create-guten-block
Modern JavaScript Syntax
React 101 (This Post)
Setting up a Custom webpack
A Custom "Card" Block (Coming Soon!)
Let’s make an “About Me” component
We’re going to make a single React component that updates the background color of a page and the intro text based on data you input into a couple of fields. “I thought this was supposed to be cool,” I hear you all mutter. I’ll admit, I may have oversold it, but we’re going to learn some core concepts of state-driven JavaScript which will come in handy when we dig into our Gutenberg block.
For reference, this is what we’re going to end up with:
Getting started
The first thing we’re going to do is fire up CodePen. CodePen can be used for free, so go head over there and create a new Pen.
Next, we’re going to pull in some JavaScript dependencies. There are three editor screens—find the JS screen and click the settings cog. This will open up a Pen Settings modal where you’ll find the section titled Add External Scripts/Pens. Right at the bottom, theres a Quick-add select menu. Go ahead and open that up.
From the menu, select React. Once that’s selected, open the menu and select ReactDOM. You’ll see that this has pre-filled some text boxes.
Lastly, we need to enable our ES6 code, so at the menu titled JavaScript Preprocessor, select Babel.
Now, go ahead and click the big Save & Close button.
What we’ve done there is pull the main React JS library and ReactDOM library. These will enable us to dive in and write our code, which is our next step.
Setup our CSS
Let’s make it look cool. First up though, let’s setup our CSS editor. The first thing we’re going to do is set it up to compile Sass for us. Just like we did with the JS editor, click on the settings cog which will bring up the Pen Settings modal again—this time with the CSS settings.
At the top, there’s a CSS Preprocessor menu. Go ahead and select SCSS from there.
When that’s done, go down to the Add External Stylesheets/Pens and paste the following three links into separate text-boxes:
https://cdnjs.cloudflare.com/ajax/libs/normalize/8.0.0/normalize.css https://fonts.googleapis.com/css?family=Work+Sans:300 https://rawgit.com/hankchizljaw/boilerform/master/dist/css/boilerform.min.css
Those three in order give us a reset, a fancy font and some helpful form styles.
Now that they’re all set, go ahead and click the "Save & Close" button again.
Adding a bit of style
We’re all setup so this step should be easy. Paste the following Sass into the CSS editor:
:root { --text-color: #f3f3f3; } * { box-sizing: border-box; } html { height: 100%; font-size: 16px; } body { height: 100%; position: relative; font-size: 1rem; line-height: 1.4; font-family: "Work Sans", sans-serif; font-weight: 300; background: #f3f3f3; color: #232323; } .about { width: 100%; height: 100%; position: absolute; top: 0; left: 0; color: var(--text-color); transition: all 2000ms ease-in-out; &__inner { display: flex; flex-direction: column; height: 100%; margin: 0 auto; padding: 1.2rem; } &__content { display: flex; flex-direction: column; justify-content: center; align-items: center; flex: 1 1 auto; font-size: 3rem; line-height: 1.2; > * { max-width: 30ch; } } &__form { display: flex; flex-direction: column; align-items: center; padding: 2rem 0; width: 100%; max-width: 60rem; margin: 0 auto; @media(min-width: 32rem) { flex-direction: row; justify-content: space-between; padding: 2rem; } > * { width: 15rem; } > * + * { margin: 1rem 0 0 0; @media(min-width: 32rem) { margin: 0; } } label { display: block; } } } // Boilerform overrides .c-select-field { &, &__menu { width: 100%; } } .c-input-field { width: 100%; } .c-label { color: var(--text-color); }
That’s a big ol’ chunk of CSS, and it’ll look like nothing has really happened, but it’s all good—we’re not going to have to worry about CSS for the rest of this section.
Digging into React
The first thing we’re going to do is give React something to latch on to. Paste this into the HTML editor of your Pen:
<div id="root"></div>
That’s it for HTML—you can go ahead and maximize your JS editor so we’ve got complete focus.
Let’s start our component code, by creating a new instance of a React component by writing the following JavaScript:
class AboutMe extends React.Component { }
What that code is doing is creating a new AboutMe component and extending React’s Component class, which gives us a load of code and tooling for free.
Right, so we’ve got a class, and now we need to construct it! Add the following code, inside the brackets:
constructor(props) { super(props); let self = this; };
We’ve got a few things going on here, so I’ll explain each:
constructor is the method that’s called when you write new AboutMe(), or if you write <AboutMe /> in your JSX. This constructs the object. The props parameter is something you’ll see a lot in React. This is the collection of properties that are passed into the component. For example: if you wrote <AboutMe name="Andy" />, you’d be able to access it in your constructor with props.name.
super is how we tell the class that we’ve extended to construct with its own constructor. You’ll see we’re also passing the props up to it in case any parent components need to access them.
Finally let self = this is a way of controlling the scope of this. Remember, because we’re using let, self will only be available in the constructor function.
Quick note for those readers not-so-confident in JavaScript: I found a deeper look at scope in JavaScript to result in a lot of “aha” moments in my learning. I highly recommend Kyle Simpson’s You Don’t Know JS book series (available for free on GitHub!). Volumes of note: this and Object Prototypes and Scope & Closures. Good stuff, I promise.
Now we’ve covered the constructor, let’s add some more code to it. After the let self = this; line, paste the following code:
self.availableColors = [ { "name": "Red", "value": "#ca3814" }, { "name": "Blue", "value": "#0086cc" }, { "name": "Green", "value": "#3aa22b" } ];
What we’ve got there is an array of objects that define our options for picking your favorite color. Go ahead and add your own if it’s not already there!
Your class definition and constructor should now look like this:
class AboutMe extends React.Component { constructor(props) { super(props); let self = this; // Set a list of available colors that render in the select menu self.availableColors = [ { "name": "Red", "value": "#ca3814" }, { "name": "Blue", "value": "#0086cc" }, { "name": "Green", "value": "#3aa22b" } ]; }; }
Pretty straightforward so far, right? Let’s move on and set some initial values to our reactive state. Add the following after the closing of self.availableColors:
// Set our initial reactive state values self.state = { name: 'Foo', color: self.availableColors[0].value };
This initial setting of state enables our component to render both a name and a color on load, which prevents it from looking broken.
Next, we’ll add our render function. This is a pure function, which does nothing but render the component based on the initial state or any state changes during the component’s lifecycle. You may have guessed already, but this is where the main body of our JSX lives.
Wait up! What’s a pure function? Welcome to functional programming, a hot topic in the React world. Pure functions are functions where, for input X, the output will always be Y. In an "impure" function, input X might result in different outputs, depending other parts of the program. Here’s a CodePen comparing pure and impure functions. Check out this article out, too, for more details.
Now, because there’s quite a lot of markup in this single component, we’re going to copy the whole lot into our function. Add the following under your constructor:
render() { let self = this; return ( <main className="about" style={ { background: self.state.color } }> <section className="about__inner"> <article className="about__content"> { self.state.name ? <p>Hello there. My name is { self.state.name }, and my favourite color is { self.getActiveColorName() }</p> : null } </article> <form className="[ about__form ] [ boilerform ]"> <div> <label className="c-label" htmlFor="name_field">Your name</label> <input className="c-input-field" type="text" id="name_field" value={ self.state.name } onChange={ self.updateName.bind(self) } /> </div> <div> <label className="c-label" htmlFor="color_field">Your favourite color</label> <div className="c-select-field"> <select className="c-select-field__menu" value={ self.state.color } onChange={ self.updateColor.bind(self) } id="color_field"> { self.availableColors.map((color, index) => { return ( <option key={ index } value={ color.value }>{ color.name }</option> ); })} </select> <span className="c-select-field__decor" aria-hidden="true" role="presentation">▾</span> </div> </div> </form> </section> </main> ); };
You may be thinking something like: “Holy cow, there’s a lot going on here.” Let’s dissect it, so don’t worry about copying code for a bit—I’ll let you know where we’re going to do that again. Let’s just focus on some key bits for now.
In JSX, you need to return a single element, which can have child elements. Because all of our code is wrapped in a <main> tag, we’re all good there. On that <main> tag, you’ll see we have an expression in an attribute, like we covered in Part 2. This expression sets the background color as the current active color that’s set in our state. This will update like magic when a user changes their color choice without us having to write another line of code for it in this render function. Pretty cool, huh?
Inside the <article class="about__content"> element, you’ll notice this:
{ self.state.name ? <p>Hello there. My name is { self.state.name }, and my favourite color is { self.getActiveColorName() }</p> : null }
This ternary operator checks to see if there’s a name set and renders either a sentence containing the name or null. Returning null in JSX is how you tell it to render nothing to the client. Also related to this snippet: we were able to run this ternary operator within our JSX because we created an expression by opening some brackets. It’s a really useful way of sprinkling small, simple bits of display logic within your render function.
Next up, let’s look at an event binding:
<input className="c-input-field" type="text" id="name_field" value={ self.state.name } onChange={ self.updateName.bind(self) } />
If you don’t bind an event to your input field, it’ll be read only. Don’t panic about forgetting though. React helpfully warns you in your console.
Remember, self is equal to this, so what we’re doing is attaching the updateName function to the input’s onChange event, but we’re also binding self, so that when we’re within the updateName function, this will equal AboutMe, which is our component.
The last thing we’re going to look at in the render function is loops. Here’s the snippet that renders the color menu:
<select className="c-select-field__menu" value={ self.state.color } onChange={ self.updateColor.bind(self) } id="color_field"> { self.availableColors.map((color, index) => { return ( <option key={ index } value={ color.value }>{ color.name }</option> ); }) } </select>
The value and change setup is the same as the above <input /> element, so we’ll ignore them and dive straight in to the loop. What we’ve done is open up an expression where we run a pretty standard Array Map function, but, importantly, it returns JSX in each iteration, which allows each option to render with the rest of the JSX.
Wiring it all up
Now that we’ve got our core aspects of the component running, we need to wire it up. You’ll notice that your CodePen isn’t doing anything at the moment. That’s because of two things:
We haven’t attached the component to the DOM yet
We haven’t written any methods to make it interactive
Let’s start with the former and add our change event handlers. Add the following underneath your constructor function:
updateName(evt) { let self = this; self.setState({ name: evt.target.value }) }; updateColor(evt) { let self = this; self.setState({ color: evt.target.value }) };
These two functions handle the onChange events of the <select> and <input> and set their values in state using React’s setState function. Now that the values are in state, anything that is subscribed to them will update automatically. This means that the ternary statement that renders your name and the background color will change in realtime as you type/select. Awesome. right?
Now, it would be recommended to make your code more DRY by combining these two as one change event handler that updates the relevant state. For this series though, let’s keep things simple and more understandable. 😀
Next up, let’s add the last method to our component. Add the following under your recently added update methods:
// Return active color name from available colors, based on state value getActiveColorName() { let self = this; return self.availableColors.filter(color => color.value === self.state.color)[0].name; };
This function uses one of my favorite JavaScript array methods: filter. With ES6, we can cherry pick array items based on their object value in one line, which is powerful stuff. With that power, we can pick the currently active availableColors item’s human-readable name and return it back.
JavaScript array methods are very cool and commonly spotted in the React ecosystem. Sarah Drasner made a seriously amazing “Array Explorer”—check it out here!
Attaching the component to the DOM
The last thing we’re going to do is attach our component to the DOM, using ReactDOM. What we’re doing is saying, “Hey browser, fetch me the <div id="root"> element and render this React component in it.” ReactDOM is doing all the magic that makes that possible.
ReactDOM is a really smart package that takes changes in your dynamic React components, calculates what needs to be changed in the DOM and applies those changes in the most efficient possible way. With ReactDOM’s renderToString() method, you can also render your React components to a static string, which can then be inserted to your page with your server-side code. What’s smart about this is that references are added so that if your front-end picks up some server-rendered React, it’ll work out which components are needed and make the whole chunk of static markup dynamic automatically. Pretty damn smart, huh?
Anyway, back to our Pen. Add this right at the bottom of your JS editor:
// Attach our component to the <div id="root"> element ReactDOM.render(<AboutMe />, document.getElementById('root'));
Now, you’ll notice that your preview window has suddenly come alive! Congratulations — you just wrote a React component 🎉
See the Pen About Me React Component by Andy Bell (@hankchizlja) on CodePen.
Wrapping up
In this part, you’ve learned about reactive, component JavaScript by writing a React component. This is relevant to your learning because custom Gutenberg blocks follow a very similar setup to a React component. Now that you’ve got a better understanding of how a React component works, you should be able to understand how a custom Gutenberg block works too.
It took me a bit to wrap my mind around the fact that, in terms of Gutenberg, React is only relevant to building blocks within the admin. In Gutenberg, React functions as a means of preparing the markup to be saved to the database in the post_content column. Using React on the front-end of a WordPress site to build something like this would be separate from what we will be doing in this series.
Next up in this series, we’re going to edit our WordPress theme so that we can build our custom Gutenberg block.
Article Series:
Series Introduction
What is Gutenberg, Anyway?
A Primer with create-guten-block
Modern JavaScript Syntax
React 101 (This Post)
Setting up a Custom webpack
A Custom "Card" Block (Coming Soon!)
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February, alas the month of love which for sure is present within this month’s @lookfantastic box theme! Now I can clearly recognise what is ‘new’ about the styling of these boxes! Indeed, it’s all about the visual! Block coloured design (Which I quite like – good for photo backgrounds etc). Not only that, I especially love the little quote that’s written on the inner side of the boxes lid! This month as it’s all about love, quotes ‘’ Meraki (May-rah-kee) Doing something with soul, creativity or love’’ I like that!

So, I’ve kept you hanging with little snapshots on my Instagram page! Time to put that curiosity to bed & let’s jump right in to the contents, shall we? WHATS INSIDE THE BOX?
Dr. PAW PAW – ORIGINAL BALM 10 ML
What is this? Well, I for one hadn’t come across this product before? Yet I am familiar with the concept of multipurpose balms (think Elizabeth Arden eight-hour etc). It’s a bit of an all-round soothing balm suitable for multiple areas. ‘’With naturally fermented Paw Paw’’ This is perfect as a lip balm, nail and cuticle softener or, as also suggested for use as a make up & eye primer? For me – Hello oil face! I couldn’t get away with that, having a true oily skin type right now! I like that this is the perfect size for travelling around with, easily drops into the bag for those moments when we need a little hydration. For me I think this works best as lip balm however; if prone to those pesky dry skin flaky patches & especially in these cold months! This is a neat little solution to tap on without ruining your make up & provide a quick re-hydration. It’s also really handy for use under those lipsticks, the ones that can appear a bit thin & seem to highlight any dryness, if that makes sense? I like this product and would definitely consider repurchasing (RRP £ 6.95 for 25 ml). I find that’s acceptable.
TRIFLE COSMETICS (Sublime Lip scrub in Sugar Pear)
Mmmmh! Warning! This smell and tastes so good you may want to eat it! What is it? A lip scrub (exfoliator) formulated with Cacao butter, Sweet Almond & Peach seed oil. Super gentle for exfoliating the lips and even tastes like toffee! Yes, I did accidentally eat a bit! I personally love this type of product being something I tend to overlook when shopping. Yet, the lips need hydration and a bit of a pampering too! This is incredibly gentle, hydrating and nourishing for the lips – pucker up! Perfect for use before applying lipstick for a smooth surface or, twice per week as a treatment. Another one that I would consider re-purchasing although, I have in the past used a South Korean product by Tony Moly which if truth be told, I found to be that bit more hydrating than this. Yet, I can’t knock it as this is also a solid and effective product and I love this quirky packaging too!

CAUDALIE (Vinosource SOS Thirst Quenching Serum 10 ML)
Now, here is a French brand that I very much link & rate highly for their gentle yet effective approach to skin care. Having tried serums & moisturisers from the brand before, I’ve been keen to try this one out for a while now. Suitable for dry & sensitive skin types, this serum claims to ‘’diffuse water & restore the moisture balance to the skin, leaving it soft and supple’’ (little tip is that it also makes a good primer). From my little sample I’m enjoying using this it’s lightly hydrating & this type of product works well with my sensitive skin type. My moisturiser & make up sit well on top of this product and I notice how comfortable my skin feels too. However, a little goes a long way! You wouldn’t want to overdo it, personally I would feel that my pores could clog should I apply too much. It’s hard to truly review as this is a very small sized sample but, so far I do like it. Perhaps as I’m so into my K-beauty! I feel I can find other products just as effective, often for less. However, in saying that, I did purchase the Vinoperfect radiance serum (you can check out my full review here …..) Initially, I wasn’t overly impressed but, as time went on and I integrated it into a routine, it found it had a place. We all have such different skin types, generally Caudalie products have solid reviews online & are made up with effective formulations so, this SOS serum could really work nicely for you.
FILORGA – (MESO MASK)
A treatment product; leave on, wash off hydration mask. Or, as an overnight treatment (this is how I use it). Apply a generous amount all over the face & either leave on for 30 mins and wash off with a cotton pad, or let it sink in overnight and cleanse off in the morning. This is formulated with Rhamnose Polysaccharide! Yep I’d never heard of that either! & NCTF which is an anti-ageing complex apparently used in non-surgical procedures! Sounds a bit frightening doesn’t it! This little sample gives a pretty potent punch! I must admit that my skin has been particularly troubled over the last few weeks, from the first time I used this, I distinctively noticed the next day that my skin appeared calmer and less irritated. Too early to comment on wrinkles and anti-ageing, besides I don’t really have many lines, thankfully! I do have smile lines around the mouth area however, but, I couldn’t really say if this helped without using it for longer. From my experience so far, I do think this is a pretty powerful product.

ELEMIS-(PRO COLLAGEN MARINE CREAM)
I think it’s safe to say that most people who are into skincare would have heard of Elemis at some point or another? This a professional salon brand that I’ve seen used in many spa type environments? This must be a good indicator as to the quality of the products? Not having tried them before I was excited to receive this ‘best-selling’ moisturiser. ‘’Suitable for all skin types, designed to increase hydration & help improve the appearance of fine lines, for best results use post serum stages’’ First impressions are good, it’s light weight yet fully hydrating and non-sticky feeling, I like how my skin feels comfortable with this over it & that it is so light which means that it doesn’t clog the pores at all. It claims to reduce the appearance of wrinkles in 14 days with consistent use – let’s see! I didn’t notice anything totally game changing but as with most things, it takes time to see full results.
BELLA PIERRE (SHIMMER ROLL IN CHAMPAIGN)
Shimmer, shimmer time! This is a highlighting product delivered in a neat little roll on packaging. Which makes it super easy to apply. My skin tone is warm and this works well for me. I think this is the type of shade that would suit everyone’s skin tone, when blended in. With literally a multitude of uses! Over the eyelids for extra shimmer, cheek or collar bones as a highlighter, under the brows for extra sharp definition etc. For the oily skin types out there; I like that this is powder based, as with a creamy product I find they can glide off and mess with my general make up! This product being powder based allows it to stay on without disturbing anything. I especially like using this for under-brow definition & highlighting for an enhanced glow. The size is good for taking around with you & due to only needing small amounts of the product it should last a fair amount of time too.

So there you have the contents of this month’s Look Fantastic February edition #unboxed! Overall I’m happy with this months edition, despite (again) no full sized product! Despite this, with contents like the lip balm, scrubs and highlighter are all the types of products that will last relatively well, being so concentrated and that a small amount per use is all that’s really needed. The skincare items are both products that I’m happy to sample out being more high end on the market £££! In the past I’ve splurged, only to be disappointed in discovering they are not quite right for my skin type so, this is the perfect way to avoid this kind of repeat! I’m happy with this months edition and quite enjoyed the branding and theme of it all.
Have you tried this too? What were your impressions? Did you love it? Or perhaps disappointment with the content? Let me know your thoughts, it’s always great to her other perspectives and how products work with our individual skint types & preferences Thank you for reading & enjoy the rest of your day beauties ❤

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Voices in AI – Episode 14: A Conversation with Martin Ford
Today’s leading minds talk AI with host Byron Reese
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Byron Reese: Welcome to Voices in AI, I’m Byron Reese. Today we’re delighted to have as our guest Martin Ford. Martin Ford is a well-known futurist, and he has two incredibly notable books out. The most recent one is called The Rise of the Robots: Technology and the Threat of a Jobless Future, and the second one is The Lights in the Tunnel: Automation Accelerating Technology and the Economy of the Future.
I have read them both cover-to-cover, and Martin is second-to-none in coming up with original ideas and envisioning a kind of future. What is that future that you envision, Martin?
Martin Ford: Well, I do believe that artificial intelligence and robotics is going to have a dramatic impact on the job market. I’m one of those that believes that this time is different, relative to what we’ve seen in the past, and that, therefore, we probably are going to find a way to adapt to that.
I do see a future where there certainly is potential for significant unemployment, and even if that doesn’t develop, at a minimum we’re probably going to have underemployment and a continuation of stagnant wages, maybe even declining wages, and probably soaring inequality. And all of those things are just going to put an enormous amount of stress both on society and on the economy, and I think that’s going to be one of the biggest issues we need to think about over the next few decades.
So, taking a big step back, you said, quote: “This time is different.” And that’s obviously a reference to the oft-cited argument that we’ve heard this since the beginning of the Industrial Revolution, that machines were going to advance too quickly, and people weren’t going to be able to find new skills.
And I think everybody agrees, up to now, it’s been fantastically false, but your argument that this time is different is based on what? What exactly is different?
Well, the key is that the machines, in a limited sense, are beginning to think. I mean, they’re taking on cognitive capabilities. So what that means is that technology is finally encroaching on that fundamental capability that so far has allowed us to really stay ahead of the march of progress, and remain relevant.
I mean, you can ask the question, “Why are there still so many jobs? Why don’t we have unemployment already?” And surely the answer to that is our ability to learn and to adapt. To find new things to do. And yet, we’re now at a point where machines… especially in the form of machine learning, are beginning to move into that space.
And it’s going to, I think, eventually get to what you might think of as a kind of a tipping point, or an inflection point, where technology begins to outcompete a lot of people, in terms of their basic capability to really contribute to the economy.
No one is saying that all the jobs are going to disappear, and that there’s literally going to be no one working. But, I think it’s reasonable to be concerned that a significant fraction of our workforce—in particular those people that are perhaps best-equipped to do things that are fundamentally routine and repetitive and predictable—those people are probably going to have a harder and harder time adapting to this, and finding a foothold in the economy.
But, specifically, why do you think that? Give me a case-in-point. Because we’ve seen enormous, disruptive technologies on par with AI, right? Like, the harnessing of artificial power has to be up there with artificial intelligence. We’ve seen entire categories of jobs vanish. We’ve seen technology replace any number of people already.
And yet, unemployment, with the exception of the depression, never gets out from between four and nine percent in this country. What holds it in that stasis, and why? I still kind of want more meat on that, why this time is different. Because everything kind of hinges on that.
Well, I think that historically, we’ve seen primarily technology displacing muscle power. That’s been the case up until recently. Now, you talk about harnessing power… Obviously that did displace a lot of people doing manual labor, but people were able to move into more cognitively-oriented tasks.
Even if it was a manual job, it was one that required more brain power. But now, machines are encroaching on that as well. Clearly, we see many examples of that. There are algorithms that can do a lot of the things that journalists do, in terms of generating news stories. There are algorithms beginning to take on tasks done by lawyers, and radiologists, and so forth.
The most dramatic example perhaps I’ve seen is what DeepMind did with its AlphaGo system, where it was able to build a system that taught itself to play the ancient game of Go, and eventually became superhuman at that, and was able to beat the best players in the world.
And to me, I would’ve looked at that and I would’ve said, “If there’s any task out there that is uniquely human, and ought to be protected from automation, playing the game of Go—given the sophistication of the game—really, should probably be on that list.” But it’s fallen to the machines already.
So, I do think that when you really look at this focus on cognitive capability, on the fact that the machines are beginning to move into that space which so far has protected people… that, as we look forward—again, I’m not talking about next year, or three years from now even, but I’m thinking in terms of decades, ten years from now, twenty years from now—what’s it going to look like as these technologies continue to accelerate?
It does seem to me that there’s very likely to be a disruption.
So, if you’d been alive in the Industrial Revolution, and somebody said, “Oh, the farm jobs, they’re vanishing because of technology. There’s going to be less people employed in the farm industry in the future.” And then, wouldn’t somebody have asked the question, “Well, what are all those people going to do? Like, all they really know how to do are plant seeds.”
All the things they ended up doing were things that by-and-large didn’t exist at the time. So isn’t it the case that whatever the machines can do, humans figure out ways to use those skills to make jobs that are higher in productivity than the ones that they’re replacing?
Yeah, I think what you’re saying is absolutely correct. The question though, is… I’m not questioning that some of those jobs are going to exist. The question is, are there going to be enough of those jobs, and will those jobs be accessible to average people in our population?
Now, the example you are giving with agriculture is the classic one that everyone always cites, and here’s what I would say: Yes, you’re right. Those jobs did disappear, and maybe people didn’t anticipate what the new things were going to be. But it turned out that there was the whole rest of the economy out there to absorb those workers.
Agricultural machinery, tractors and combines and all the rest of it, was a specific mechanical technology that had a dramatic impact on one sector of the economy. And then those workers eventually moved to other sectors, and as they moved from sector to sector… first they moved from agriculture to manufacturing, and that was a transition. It wasn’t instant, it took some time.
But basically, what they were doing was moving from routine work in the field to, fundamentally, routine work in factories. And that may have taken some training and some adaptation, but it was something that basically involved moving from one routine to another routine thing. And then, of course, there was another transition that came later, as manufacturing also automated or offshored, and now everyone works in the service sector.
But still, most people, at least a very large percentage of people, are still doing things that are fundamentally routine and repetitive. A hundred years ago, you might’ve been doing routine work in the field, in the 1950s maybe you were doing routine work in a factory, now you’re scanning barcodes at Wal-Mart, or you’re stocking the shelves at Wal-Mart, or you’re doing some other relatively routine thing.
The point I’m making is that in the future, technology is going to basically consume all of that routine, repetitive, predictable work… And that there still will be things left, yes, but there will be more creative work, or it’ll be work that involves, perhaps, deep interaction with other people and so forth, that really are going to require a different skill set.
So it’s not the same kind of transition that we’ve seen in the past. It’s really more of, I think, a dramatic transition, where people, if they want to remain relevant, are going to have to really have an entirely different set of capabilities.
So, what I’m saying is that a significant fraction of our workforce is going to have a really hard time adapting to that. Even if the jobs are there, if there are sufficient jobs out there, they may not be a good match for a lot of people who are doing routine things right now.
Have you tried to put any sort of, even in your own head, any kind of model around this, like how much unemployment, or at what rate you think the economy will shed jobs, or what sort of timing, or anything like that?
I make guesses at it. Of course, there are some relatively high-profile studies that have been done, and I personally believe that you should take that with a grain of salt. The most famous one was the one done back in 2013, by a couple of guys at Oxford.
Which is arguably the most misquoted study on the thing.
Exactly, because what they said was that roughly forty-seven percent—which is a remarkably precise number, obviously—roughly half the jobs in the United States are going to be susceptible, could be automated, within the next couple of decades.
I thought what it says is that forty-seven percent of the things that people do in their jobs is able to be automated.
Yeah, this particular study, they did look at actual jobs. But the key point is that they said roughly half of those jobs could be automated, they didn’t say they will be automated. And when the press picked that up, it in some cases became “half the jobs are definitely going to go away.” There was another later study, which you may be referring to, [that] was done by McKinsey, and that one did look at tasks, not at jobs.
And they came up with approximately the same number. They came up with the idea that about half of the tasks within jobs would be susceptible to automation, or in some cases may already be able to be automated in theory… but that was looking at the task level. Now again, the press kind of looked at that and they took a very optimistic take on it. They said, “Well, your whole job then can’t be automated, only half of your job can be automated. So your employer’s going to leave you there to do higher-level stuff.” And in some cases, that may happen.
But the other alternative, of course, is that if you’ve got two people doing two jobs, and half of each of those can be automated, then we could well see a consolidation there, and maybe that just becomes one job, right? So, different studies have looked at it in different ways. Again, I would take all of these studies with some skepticism, because I don’t think anyone can really make predictions this precise.
But the main takeaway from it, I think, is that the amount of work that is going to be susceptible to automation could be very significant. And I would say, to my mind, it doesn’t make much difference whether it’s twenty percent of fifty percent. Those are both staggering numbers. They would both have a dramatic impact on society and on the economy. So regardless of what the exact figure is, it’s something that we need to think about.
In terms of timing, I tend to think in terms of between ten and twenty years as being the timeframe where this becomes kind of unambiguous, where we’ve clearly reached the point where we’re not going to have this debate anymore—where everyone agrees that this is an issue.
I tend to think ten to twenty years, but I certainly know people that are involved, for example, in machine learning, that are much more aggressive than that; and they say it could be five years. So that is something of a guess, but I do think that there are good reasons to be concerned that the disruption is coming.
The other thing I would say is that, even if I turn to be wrong about that, and it doesn’t happen within ten to twenty years, it probably is going to happen within fifty years. It seems inevitable to me at some point.
So, you talk about not having the debate anymore. And I think one of the most intriguing aspects of quote, ‘the debate’, is that when you talk to self-identified futurists, or when you talk to economists on the effect technology is going to have on jobs, they’re almost always remarkably split.
So you’ve got this camp of fifty percent-ish that says, “Oh, come on, this is ridiculous. There is no finite number of jobs. Anytime a person can pick up something and add value to it, they’ve just created a job. We want to get people out of tasks that machines can do, because they’re capable of doing more things,” and so forth.
So you get that whole camp, and then you have the side which, it sounds you’re more on, which is, “No, there’s a point at which the machines are able to improve faster than people are able to train,” and that that’s kind of an escape philosophy, and that has those repercussions. So all of that is a buildup to the question… like, these are two very different views of the future that people who think a lot about this have.
What assumptions do the two camps have, underneath their beliefs, that are making them so different, in your mind?
Right, I do think you’re right. It’s just an extraordinary range of opinion. I would say it’s even broader than that. You’re talking about the issue of whether or not jobs will be automated, but, on the same spectrum, I’m sure you can find famous economists, maybe economists with Nobel Prizes that would tell you, “This is all a kind of a silly issue. It’s repetition of the Luddite fears that we’ve had basically forever and nothing is different this time.”
And then at the other end of that spectrum you’ve got people not just talking about jobs, you’ve got Elon Musk and you’ve got Stephen Hawking saying, “It’s not even an issue of machines taking our jobs. They’re going to just take over. They might threaten us, be an existential threat, that might actually become super-intelligent and decide they don’t want us around.
So that’s just an incredible range of opinions on this issue, and I guess it points to the fact that it really is just extraordinarily unpredictable, in the sense that we really don’t know what’s going to happen with artificial intelligence.
Now, my view is that I do think that there is often a kind of a line you can draw. The people that tend to be more skeptical, maybe, are more geared toward being economists, and they do tend to put an enormous amount of weight on that historical record, and on the fact that, so far, this has not happened. And they give great weight to that.
The people that are more on my side of it, and see something different happening, tend to be people more on the technology side, that are involved deeply in machine learning and so forth, and really see how this technology is going.
I think that they maybe have a sense that something dramatic is really going to happen. That’s not a clear division, but it’s my sense that it kind of breaks down that way in many cases. But, for sure, I absolutely have a lot of respect for the people that disagree with me. This is a very meaningful, important debate, with a lot of different perspectives, and I think it’s going to be really, really fascinating to see how it plays out.
So, you touched on the existential threat of artificial intelligence. Let me just start with a couple of questions: Do you believe that an AGI, a general intelligence, is possible?
Yes, I don’t know of any reason that it’s not possible.
Fair enough.
That doesn’t mean I think it will happen, but I think it’s certainly possible.
And then, if it’s possible, everybody, you know… When you line up everybody’s prediction on when, they range from five years to five hundred years, which is also a telling thing. Where are you in that?
I’m not a true expert in this area, because I’m obviously not doing that research. But based on the people I’ve talked to that are in the field, I would put it further out than maybe most people. I think of it as being probably fifty years out… would be a guess, at least, and quite possibly more than that.
I am open to the possibility that I could be wrong about that, and it could be sooner. But it’s hard for me to imagine it sooner than maybe twenty-five to thirty years. But again, this is just extraordinarily unpredictable. Maybe there’s some project going on right now that we don’t know about that is going to prove something much sooner. But my sense is that it’s pretty far out—measured in terms of decades.
And do you believe computers can become conscious?
I believe it’s possible. What I would say is that the human brain is a biological machine. That’s what I believe. And I see absolutely no reason why the experience of the human mind, as it exists within the brain, can’t be replicated in some other medium, whether it’s silicon or quantum computing or whatever.
I don’t see why consciousness is something that is restricted, in principle, to a biological brain.
So I assume, then, it’s fair to say that you hope you’re wrong?
Well, I don’t know about that. I definitely am concerned about the more dystopian outcomes. I don’t dismiss those concerns, I think they’re real. I’m kind of agnostic on that; I don’t see that it’s definitely the case that we’re going to have a bad outcome if we do have conscious, super-intelligent machines. But it’s a risk.
But I also see it as something that’s inevitable. I don’t think we can stop it. So probably the best strategy is to begin thinking about that. And what I would say is that the issue that I’m focused on, which is what’s going to happen to the job market, is much more immediate. That’s something that is happening within the next ten to twenty years.
This other issue of super-intelligence and conscious machines is another important issue that’s, I think, a bit further out, but it’s also a real challenge that we should be thinking about it. And for that reason, I think that it’s great that people like Elon Musk are making investments there, in think tanks and so forth, and they’re beginning to focus on that.
I think it would be pretty hard to justify a big government public expenditure on thinking about this issue at this point in time, so it’s great that some people are focused on that.
And, so, I’m sure you get this question that I get all the time, which is, “I have young children. What should they study today to make sure that they have a relevant, useful job in the future?” You get that question?
Oh, I get that question. Yeah, it’s probably the most common question I get.
Yeah, me too. What do you say?
I probably am going to bet that I say something very similar to what you say, because I think the answer is almost a cliché. It’s that first and foremost, avoid studying to prepare yourself for a job that is on some level routine, repetitive, or predictable. Instead, you want to be, for example, doing something creative, where you’re building something genuinely new.
Or, you want to be doing something that really involves deep interaction with other people, that has that human element to it. For example, in the business world that might be building very sophisticated relationships with clients. A great job that I think is going to be relatively safe for the foreseeable future is nursing, because it has that human element to it, where you’re building relationships with people, and then there’s also a tremendous amount of dexterity, mobility, where you’re running around, doing lots of things.
That’s the other aspect of it, is that a lot of jobs that require that kind of dexterity, mobility, flexibility, are going to be hard to automate in the foreseeable future—things like electricians and plumbers and so forth are going to be relatively safe, I think. But of course, those aren’t necessarily jobs that people going to universities want to take.
So, prepare for something that incorporates those aspects. Creativity and human element, and maybe something beyond sitting in front of a computer, right? Because that in itself is going to be fairly susceptible to this.
So, let’s do a scenario here. Let’s say you’re right, and in fifteen years’ time—to take kind of your midpoint—we have enough job loss that is, say, commensurate with the Great Depression. So, that would be twenty-two percent. And it happens quickly… twenty-two percent of people are unemployed with few prospects. Tell me what you think happens in that world. Are there riots? What does the government do? Is there basic income? Like, what will happen?
Well, that’s going to be our choice. But the negative, let’s talk about the dystopian scenario first. Yes, I think there would absolutely be social unrest. You’re talking about people that in their lifetimes have experienced the middle-class lifestyle that are suddenly… I mean, everything just kind of disappears, right?
So, that’s certainly on the social side, there’s going to be enormous stress. And I would argue that we’re seeing the leading edge of that already. You ask yourself, why is Donald Trump in the Oval Office? Well, it’s because in part, at least, these blue-collar people, perhaps focused especially in the industrial Midwest, have this strong sense that they’ve been left behind.
And they may point to globalization or immigration as the reason for that. But in fact, technology has probably been the most important force in causing those people to no longer have access to the good, solid jobs that they once had. So, we see that already, [and] that could get orders of magnitude worse. So that’s on a social side and a political side.
Now, the other thing that’s happening is economic. We have a market economy, and that means that the whole economy relies on consumers that have got the purchasing power to go out and buy the stuff we’re producing, right?
Businesses need customers in order to thrive. This is true of virtually every business of any size, you need customers. In fact, if you really look at the industries that drive our economy, they’re almost invariably mass-market industries, whether it’s cars, or smartphones, or financial services. These are all industries that rely on tens, hundreds of millions of viable customers out there.
So, if people start losing their jobs and also their confidence… if they start worrying about the fact that they’re going to lose their jobs in the future, then they will start spending less, and that means we’re going to have an economic problem, right? We’re going to have potentially a deflationary scenario, where there’s simply not enough demand out there to drive the economy.
There’s also the potential for a financial crisis, obviously. Think back to 2008, what happened? How did that start? It started with the subprime crisis, where a lot of people did not have sufficient income to pay their mortgages.
So, obviously you can imagine a scenario in the future where lots of people can’t pay their mortgages, or their student loans, or their credit cards or whatever, and that has real implications for the financial sector. So no one should think that this is just about, “Well, it’s going to be some people that are less educated than I am, and they’re unlucky, too bad, but I’m going to be okay.”
No, I don’t think so. This is something that drags everyone into a major, major problem, both socially, politically, and economically.
The depression, though, it wasn’t notable for social unrest like that. There weren’t really riots.
There may not have been riots, but there was a genuine—in terms of the politics—there was a genuine fear out there that both democracy and capitalism were threatened. One of the most famous quotes comes from Joe Kennedy, who was the patriarch, the first Kennedy who made his money on Wall Street.
And he famously said, during that time, that he would gladly give up half of everything that he had if he could be certain that he’d get to keep the other half. Because there was genuine fear that there was going to be a revolution. Maybe a Communist revolution, something on that order, in the United States. So, it would be wrong to say that there was not this revolutionary fear out there.
Right. So, you said let’s start with the dystopian outcome…
Right, right… so, that’s the bad outcome. Now, if we do something about this, I think we can have a much more optimistic outcome. And the way to do that is going to be finding a way to decouple incomes from traditional forms of work. In other words, we’re going to have to find a way to make sure that people that aren’t working, and can’t find a regular job, have nonetheless got an income.
And there are two reasons to do that. The first reason is, obviously, that people have got to survive economically, and that addresses the social upheaval issue, to some extent at least. And the second issue is that people have got to have money to spend, if they’re going to be able to drive the economy. So, I personally think that some kind of a guaranteed minimum income, or a universal basic income, is probably going to be the way to go there.
Now there are lots of criticisms that people will say, “That’s paying people to be alive.” People will point out that if you just give money to people, that’s not going to solve the problem. Because people aren’t going to have any dignity, they’re not going to have any sense of fulfillment, or anything to occupy their time. They’re just going to take drugs, or be in a virtual reality environment.
And those are all legitimate concerns. Because, partly of those concerns, my view is that a basic income is not just this plug-and-play panacea that—okay, a basic income; that’s it. I think it’s a starting point. I think it’s the foundation that we can build on. And one thing that I’ve talked a lot about in my writing is the idea that we could build explicit incentives into a basic income.
Just to give an example, imagine that you are a struggling high school student. So, you’re in some difficult environment in high school, you’re really at risk of dropping out of school. Now, suppose you know that no matter what, you’re going to get the same basic income as everyone else. So, to me, that creates a very powerful perverse incentive for you to just drop out of school. To me that seems silly. We shouldn’t do that.
So, why not instead structure things a bit differently? Let’s say if you graduate from high school, then you’ll get a somewhat higher basic income than someone that just drops out. And we could take that idea of incentives and maybe extend it to other areas. Maybe if you go and work in the community, do things to help others, you’ll get a little bit higher basic income.
Or if you do things that are positive for the environment. You could extend it in many ways to incorporate incentives. And as you do that, then you take at least a few steps towards also solving that problem of, where do we find meaning and fulfillment and dignity in this world where maybe there just is less need for traditional work?
But that definitely is a problem that we need to solve, so I think we need to think creatively about that. How can we take a basic income and build it into something that is going to help us really solve some of these problems? And at the same time, as we do that, maybe we also take steps toward making a basic income more politically and socially acceptable and feasible. Because, obviously, right now it’s not politically feasible.
So, I think it’s really important to think in those terms: What can we really do to expand on this idea [of basic income]? But, if you figure that out, then you solve this problem, right? People then have an income, and then they have money to spend, and they can pay their debts and all the rest of it, and I think then it becomes much more positive.
If you think of the economy… think of not the real-world economy, but imagine it’s a simulation. And you’re doing this simulation of the whole market economy, and suddenly you tweak the simulation so that jobs begin to disappear. What could you do? Well, you could make a small fix to it so that you replace jobs with some other mechanism in this simulation, and then you could just keep the whole thing going.
You could continue to have thriving capitalism, a thriving market economy. I think when you think of it in those terms, as kind of a programmer tweaking a simulation, it’s not so hard to make it work. Obviously in the real world, given politics and everything, it’s going to be a lot harder, but my view is that it is a solvable problem.
Mark Cuban said the first trillionaires, or the first trillion-dollar companies, will be AI companies, that it has the capability of creating that kind of unmeasurable wealth. Would you agree with that?
Yeah, as long as we solve this problem. Again, it doesn’t matter whether you’re doing AI or any other business… that money is coming from somewhere, okay? Or when you talk about the way a company is valuated, whether it’s a million-dollar company or a trillion-dollar company, the value essentially comes from cash flows coming in in the future. That’s how you value a company.
Where are those cash flows coming [from]? Ultimately, they’re coming from consumers. They’re coming from people spending money, and people have to have money to spend. So, think of the economy as being kind of a virtuous cycle, where you cycle money from consumers to businesses and then back to consumers, and that it’s kind of a self-fulfilling, expanding, growing cycle over time.
The problem is that if the jobs go away, then that cycle is threatened, because that’s the mechanism that’s getting income back from producers to consumers so that the whole thing continues to be sustainable. So, we solve that problem and yeah, of course you’re going to have trillion-dollar companies.
And so, that’s the scenario if everything you say comes to pass. Take the opposite for just a minute. Say that fifteen years goes by, unemployment is five-and-a-quarter percent, and there’s been some turn of the jobs, and there’s no kind of phase shift, or paradigm shift, or anything like that. What would that mean?
Like, what does that mean long term for humanity? Do we just kind of go on in the way we are ad infinitum, or are there other things, other factors that could really upset the apple cart?
Well, again my argument would be that if that happens, and fifteen years from now things basically look the way they do now, then it means that people like me got the timing wrong. This isn’t really going to happen within fifteen years, maybe it’s going to be fifty years or a hundred years. But I still think it’s kind of inevitable.
The other thing, though, is be careful when you say fifteen years from now the unemployment rate is going to be five percent. One thing to be really careful about is that you’re measuring everything carefully, because, of course, the unemployment rate right now doesn’t catch a lot of people that are dropping out of the workforce.
In fact, it doesn’t capture anyone that drops out of the workforce, and we do have a declining labor force participation rate. So it’s possible for a lot of people to be left behind, and be disenfranchised, and still not be captured in that headline unemployment rate.
But a declining labor participation rate isn’t necessarily people who can’t find work, right? Like, if enough people just make a lot of money, and you’ve got the Baby Boomers retiring. Is it your impression that the numbers we’re seeing in labor participation are indicative of people getting discouraged and dropping out of the job market?
Yeah, to some extent. There are a number of things going on there. Obviously, as you say, part of it is the demographic shift, and there are two things happening there. One is that people are retiring; certainly, that’s part of it. The other thing is that people are staying in school longer, so younger people are less in the workforce than they might’ve been decades ago, because they’ve got to stay in school longer in order to have access to a job.
So, that’s certainly having an impact. But that doesn’t explain it totally, by any means. In fact, if you look at the labor force participation rate for what we call prime-age workers—and that would be people that are, maybe, between thirty and fifty… in other words, too old to be in school generally, and too young to retire—that’s also declining, especially for men. So, yes, there is definitely an impact from people leaving the workforce for whatever reason, very often [the reason is] being discouraged.
We’ve also seen a spike in applications for the social security disability program, which is what you’re supposed to get if you become disabled, and there really is no evidence that people are getting injured on the job at some extraordinarily new rate. So, I think many people think that people are using that as kind of a last resort basic income program.
They’re, in many cases, saying maybe they have a back injury that’s hard to verify and they’re getting onto that because they really just don’t have any other alternative. So, there definitely is something going on there, with that falling labor force participation rate.
And final question: What gives you the most hope, that whatever trials await us in the future—or do you have hope—that we’re going to get through them and go on to bigger and better things as a species?
Well, certainly the fact that we’ve always got through things in the past is some reason to be confident. We’ve faced enormous challenges of all kinds, including global wars, and plagues, and financial crises in the past and we’ve made it through. I think we can make it through this time. It doesn’t mean it will be easy. It rarely is easy.
There aren’t many cases in history, that we can point to, where we’ve just smoothly said, “Hey, look, there’s this problem coming at us. Let’s figure out what to do and adapt to it.” That rarely is the way it works. Generally, the way it works is that you get into a crisis, and eventually you end up solving the problem. And I suspect that that’s the way it will go this time. But, yeah, specifically, there are positive things that I see.
There are lots of important experiments, for example, with basic income, going on around the world. Even here in Silicon Valley, Y Combinator is doing something with an experiment with basic income that you may have heard about. So, I think that’s tremendously positive. That’s what we should be doing right now.
We should be gathering information about these solutions, and how exactly they’re going to work, so that we have the data that we’re going to need to maybe craft a much broader-based program at some point in the future. That’s all positive, you know? People are beginning to think seriously about these issues, and so I think that there is reason to be optimistic.
Okay, and real last question: If people want more of your thinking, do you have a website you suggest to go to?
The best place to go is my Twitter feed, which is @MFordFuture, and I also have a blog and a website which is the same, MFordFuture.com.
And are you working on anything new?
I am not working right now on a new book, but I go around doing a lot of speaking engagements on this. I’m on the board of directors of a startup company, which is actually doing something quite different. It’s actually going to do atmospheric water generation. In other words, generating water directly from air.
That’s a company called Genesis Systems, and I’m really excited about that, because it’s a chance for me to get involved in something really tangible. I think you’ve heard the quote from Peter Thiel, that we were promised flying cars and we got 140 characters. And I actually believe strongly in that.
I think there are too many people in Silicon Valley working on social media, and getting people to click on ads. So I’m really excited to get involved in a company that’s doing something really tangible, that’s going to maybe be transformative… If we can figure out how to directly generate water in very arid regions of the earth—in the Middle East, in North Africa, and so forth—that could be transformative.
Wow! I think by one estimate, if everybody had access to clean water, half of the hospital beds would be emptied in the whole world.
Yeah, it’s just an important problem, just on a human level and also in terms of security, in terms of the geopolitics of these regions. So I’m really excited to be involved with it.
Alright, well thank you so much for your time, and you have a good day.
Okay. Thank you.
Byron explores issues around artificial intelligence and conscious computers in his upcoming book The Fourth Age, to be published in April by Atria, an imprint of Simon & Schuster. Pre-order a copy here.
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Today's leading minds talk AI with host Byron Reese
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In this episode Byron and Martin talk about the future of jobs, AGI, consciousness and more.
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Byron Reese: Welcome to Voices in AI, I’m Byron Reese. Today we’re delighted to have as our guest Martin Ford. Martin Ford is a well-known futurist, and he has two incredibly notable books out. The most recent one is called The Rise of the Robots: Technology and the Threat of a Jobless Future, and the second one is The Lights in the Tunnel: Automation Accelerating Technology and the Economy of the Future.
I have read them both cover-to-cover, and Martin is second-to-none in coming up with original ideas and envisioning a kind of future. What is that future that you envision, Martin?
Martin Ford: Well, I do believe that artificial intelligence and robotics is going to have a dramatic impact on the job market. I’m one of those that believes that this time is different, relative to what we’ve seen in the past, and that, therefore, we probably are going to find a way to adapt to that.
I do see a future where there certainly is potential for significant unemployment, and even if that doesn’t develop, at a minimum we’re probably going to have underemployment and a continuation of stagnant wages, maybe even declining wages, and probably soaring inequality. And all of those things are just going to put an enormous amount of stress both on society and on the economy, and I think that’s going to be one of the biggest issues we need to think about over the next few decades.
So, taking a big step back, you said, quote: “This time is different.” And that’s obviously a reference to the oft-cited argument that we’ve heard this since the beginning of the Industrial Revolution, that machines were going to advance too quickly, and people weren’t going to be able to find new skills.
And I think everybody agrees, up to now, it’s been fantastically false, but your argument that this time is different is based on what? What exactly is different?
Well, the key is that the machines, in a limited sense, are beginning to think. I mean, they’re taking on cognitive capabilities. So what that means is that technology is finally encroaching on that fundamental capability that so far has allowed us to really stay ahead of the march of progress, and remain relevant.
I mean, you can ask the question, “Why are there still so many jobs? Why don’t we have unemployment already?” And surely the answer to that is our ability to learn and to adapt. To find new things to do. And yet, we’re now at a point where machines… especially in the form of machine learning, are beginning to move into that space.
And it’s going to, I think, eventually get to what you might think of as a kind of a tipping point, or an inflection point, where technology begins to outcompete a lot of people, in terms of their basic capability to really contribute to the economy.
No one is saying that all the jobs are going to disappear, and that there’s literally going to be no one working. But, I think it’s reasonable to be concerned that a significant fraction of our workforce—in particular those people that are perhaps best-equipped to do things that are fundamentally routine and repetitive and predictable—those people are probably going to have a harder and harder time adapting to this, and finding a foothold in the economy.
But, specifically, why do you think that? Give me a case-in-point. Because we’ve seen enormous, disruptive technologies on par with AI, right? Like, the harnessing of artificial power has to be up there with artificial intelligence. We’ve seen entire categories of jobs vanish. We’ve seen technology replace any number of people already.
And yet, unemployment, with the exception of the depression, never gets out from between four and nine percent in this country. What holds it in that stasis, and why? I still kind of want more meat on that, why this time is different. Because everything kind of hinges on that.
Well, I think that historically, we’ve seen primarily technology displacing muscle power. That’s been the case up until recently. Now, you talk about harnessing power… Obviously that did displace a lot of people doing manual labor, but people were able to move into more cognitively-oriented tasks.
Even if it was a manual job, it was one that required more brain power. But now, machines are encroaching on that as well. Clearly, we see many examples of that. There are algorithms that can do a lot of the things that journalists do, in terms of generating news stories. There are algorithms beginning to take on tasks done by lawyers, and radiologists, and so forth.
The most dramatic example perhaps I’ve seen is what DeepMind did with its AlphaGo system, where it was able to build a system that taught itself to play the ancient game of Go, and eventually became superhuman at that, and was able to beat the best players in the world.
And to me, I would’ve looked at that and I would’ve said, “If there’s any task out there that is uniquely human, and ought to be protected from automation, playing the game of Go—given the sophistication of the game—really, should probably be on that list.” But it’s fallen to the machines already.
So, I do think that when you really look at this focus on cognitive capability, on the fact that the machines are beginning to move into that space which so far has protected people… that, as we look forward—again, I’m not talking about next year, or three years from now even, but I’m thinking in terms of decades, ten years from now, twenty years from now—what’s it going to look like as these technologies continue to accelerate?
It does seem to me that there’s very likely to be a disruption.
So, if you’d been alive in the Industrial Revolution, and somebody said, “Oh, the farm jobs, they’re vanishing because of technology. There’s going to be less people employed in the farm industry in the future.” And then, wouldn’t somebody have asked the question, “Well, what are all those people going to do? Like, all they really know how to do are plant seeds.”
All the things they ended up doing were things that by-and-large didn’t exist at the time. So isn’t it the case that whatever the machines can do, humans figure out ways to use those skills to make jobs that are higher in productivity than the ones that they’re replacing?
Yeah, I think what you’re saying is absolutely correct. The question though, is… I’m not questioning that some of those jobs are going to exist. The question is, are there going to be enough of those jobs, and will those jobs be accessible to average people in our population?
Now, the example you are giving with agriculture is the classic one that everyone always cites, and here’s what I would say: Yes, you’re right. Those jobs did disappear, and maybe people didn’t anticipate what the new things were going to be. But it turned out that there was the whole rest of the economy out there to absorb those workers.
Agricultural machinery, tractors and combines and all the rest of it, was a specific mechanical technology that had a dramatic impact on one sector of the economy. And then those workers eventually moved to other sectors, and as they moved from sector to sector… first they moved from agriculture to manufacturing, and that was a transition. It wasn’t instant, it took some time.
But basically, what they were doing was moving from routine work in the field to, fundamentally, routine work in factories. And that may have taken some training and some adaptation, but it was something that basically involved moving from one routine to another routine thing. And then, of course, there was another transition that came later, as manufacturing also automated or offshored, and now everyone works in the service sector.
But still, most people, at least a very large percentage of people, are still doing things that are fundamentally routine and repetitive. A hundred years ago, you might’ve been doing routine work in the field, in the 1950s maybe you were doing routine work in a factory, now you’re scanning barcodes at Wal-Mart, or you’re stocking the shelves at Wal-Mart, or you’re doing some other relatively routine thing.
The point I’m making is that in the future, technology is going to basically consume all of that routine, repetitive, predictable work… And that there still will be things left, yes, but there will be more creative work, or it’ll be work that involves, perhaps, deep interaction with other people and so forth, that really are going to require a different skill set.
So it’s not the same kind of transition that we’ve seen in the past. It’s really more of, I think, a dramatic transition, where people, if they want to remain relevant, are going to have to really have an entirely different set of capabilities.
So, what I’m saying is that a significant fraction of our workforce is going to have a really hard time adapting to that. Even if the jobs are there, if there are sufficient jobs out there, they may not be a good match for a lot of people who are doing routine things right now.
Have you tried to put any sort of, even in your own head, any kind of model around this, like how much unemployment, or at what rate you think the economy will shed jobs, or what sort of timing, or anything like that?
I make guesses at it. Of course, there are some relatively high-profile studies that have been done, and I personally believe that you should take that with a grain of salt. The most famous one was the one done back in 2013, by a couple of guys at Oxford.
Which is arguably the most misquoted study on the thing.
Exactly, because what they said was that roughly forty-seven percent—which is a remarkably precise number, obviously—roughly half the jobs in the United States are going to be susceptible, could be automated, within the next couple of decades.
I thought what it says is that forty-seven percent of the things that people do in their jobs is able to be automated.
Yeah, this particular study, they did look at actual jobs. But the key point is that they said roughly half of those jobs could be automated, they didn’t say they will be automated. And when the press picked that up, it in some cases became “half the jobs are definitely going to go away.” There was another later study, which you may be referring to, [that] was done by McKinsey, and that one did look at tasks, not at jobs.
And they came up with approximately the same number. They came up with the idea that about half of the tasks within jobs would be susceptible to automation, or in some cases may already be able to be automated in theory… but that was looking at the task level. Now again, the press kind of looked at that and they took a very optimistic take on it. They said, “Well, your whole job then can’t be automated, only half of your job can be automated. So your employer’s going to leave you there to do higher-level stuff.” And in some cases, that may happen.
But the other alternative, of course, is that if you’ve got two people doing two jobs, and half of each of those can be automated, then we could well see a consolidation there, and maybe that just becomes one job, right? So, different studies have looked at it in different ways. Again, I would take all of these studies with some skepticism, because I don’t think anyone can really make predictions this precise.
But the main takeaway from it, I think, is that the amount of work that is going to be susceptible to automation could be very significant. And I would say, to my mind, it doesn’t make much difference whether it’s twenty percent of fifty percent. Those are both staggering numbers. They would both have a dramatic impact on society and on the economy. So regardless of what the exact figure is, it’s something that we need to think about.
In terms of timing, I tend to think in terms of between ten and twenty years as being the timeframe where this becomes kind of unambiguous, where we’ve clearly reached the point where we’re not going to have this debate anymore—where everyone agrees that this is an issue.
I tend to think ten to twenty years, but I certainly know people that are involved, for example, in machine learning, that are much more aggressive than that; and they say it could be five years. So that is something of a guess, but I do think that there are good reasons to be concerned that the disruption is coming.
The other thing I would say is that, even if I turn to be wrong about that, and it doesn’t happen within ten to twenty years, it probably is going to happen within fifty years. It seems inevitable to me at some point.
So, you talk about not having the debate anymore. And I think one of the most intriguing aspects of quote, ‘the debate’, is that when you talk to self-identified futurists, or when you talk to economists on the effect technology is going to have on jobs, they’re almost always remarkably split.
So you’ve got this camp of fifty percent-ish that says, “Oh, come on, this is ridiculous. There is no finite number of jobs. Anytime a person can pick up something and add value to it, they’ve just created a job. We want to get people out of tasks that machines can do, because they’re capable of doing more things,” and so forth.
So you get that whole camp, and then you have the side which, it sounds you’re more on, which is, “No, there’s a point at which the machines are able to improve faster than people are able to train,” and that that’s kind of an escape philosophy, and that has those repercussions. So all of that is a buildup to the question… like, these are two very different views of the future that people who think a lot about this have.
What assumptions do the two camps have, underneath their beliefs, that are making them so different, in your mind?
Right, I do think you’re right. It’s just an extraordinary range of opinion. I would say it’s even broader than that. You’re talking about the issue of whether or not jobs will be automated, but, on the same spectrum, I’m sure you can find famous economists, maybe economists with Nobel Prizes that would tell you, “This is all a kind of a silly issue. It’s repetition of the Luddite fears that we’ve had basically forever and nothing is different this time.”
And then at the other end of that spectrum you’ve got people not just talking about jobs, you’ve got Elon Musk and you’ve got Stephen Hawking saying, “It’s not even an issue of machines taking our jobs. They’re going to just take over. They might threaten us, be an existential threat, that might actually become super-intelligent and decide they don’t want us around.
So that’s just an incredible range of opinions on this issue, and I guess it points to the fact that it really is just extraordinarily unpredictable, in the sense that we really don’t know what’s going to happen with artificial intelligence.
Now, my view is that I do think that there is often a kind of a line you can draw. The people that tend to be more skeptical, maybe, are more geared toward being economists, and they do tend to put an enormous amount of weight on that historical record, and on the fact that, so far, this has not happened. And they give great weight to that.
The people that are more on my side of it, and see something different happening, tend to be people more on the technology side, that are involved deeply in machine learning and so forth, and really see how this technology is going.
I think that they maybe have a sense that something dramatic is really going to happen. That’s not a clear division, but it’s my sense that it kind of breaks down that way in many cases. But, for sure, I absolutely have a lot of respect for the people that disagree with me. This is a very meaningful, important debate, with a lot of different perspectives, and I think it’s going to be really, really fascinating to see how it plays out.
So, you touched on the existential threat of artificial intelligence. Let me just start with a couple of questions: Do you believe that an AGI, a general intelligence, is possible?
Yes, I don’t know of any reason that it’s not possible.
Fair enough.
That doesn’t mean I think it will happen, but I think it’s certainly possible.
And then, if it’s possible, everybody, you know… When you line up everybody’s prediction on when, they range from five years to five hundred years, which is also a telling thing. Where are you in that?
I’m not a true expert in this area, because I’m obviously not doing that research. But based on the people I’ve talked to that are in the field, I would put it further out than maybe most people. I think of it as being probably fifty years out… would be a guess, at least, and quite possibly more than that.
I am open to the possibility that I could be wrong about that, and it could be sooner. But it’s hard for me to imagine it sooner than maybe twenty-five to thirty years. But again, this is just extraordinarily unpredictable. Maybe there’s some project going on right now that we don’t know about that is going to prove something much sooner. But my sense is that it’s pretty far out—measured in terms of decades.
And do you believe computers can become conscious?
I believe it’s possible. What I would say is that the human brain is a biological machine. That’s what I believe. And I see absolutely no reason why the experience of the human mind, as it exists within the brain, can’t be replicated in some other medium, whether it’s silicon or quantum computing or whatever.
I don’t see why consciousness is something that is restricted, in principle, to a biological brain.
So I assume, then, it’s fair to say that you hope you’re wrong?
Well, I don’t know about that. I definitely am concerned about the more dystopian outcomes. I don’t dismiss those concerns, I think they’re real. I’m kind of agnostic on that; I don’t see that it’s definitely the case that we’re going to have a bad outcome if we do have conscious, super-intelligent machines. But it’s a risk.
But I also see it as something that’s inevitable. I don’t think we can stop it. So probably the best strategy is to begin thinking about that. And what I would say is that the issue that I’m focused on, which is what’s going to happen to the job market, is much more immediate. That’s something that is happening within the next ten to twenty years.
This other issue of super-intelligence and conscious machines is another important issue that’s, I think, a bit further out, but it’s also a real challenge that we should be thinking about it. And for that reason, I think that it’s great that people like Elon Musk are making investments there, in think tanks and so forth, and they’re beginning to focus on that.
I think it would be pretty hard to justify a big government public expenditure on thinking about this issue at this point in time, so it’s great that some people are focused on that.
And, so, I’m sure you get this question that I get all the time, which is, “I have young children. What should they study today to make sure that they have a relevant, useful job in the future?” You get that question?
Oh, I get that question. Yeah, it’s probably the most common question I get.
Yeah, me too. What do you say?
I probably am going to bet that I say something very similar to what you say, because I think the answer is almost a cliché. It’s that first and foremost, avoid studying to prepare yourself for a job that is on some level routine, repetitive, or predictable. Instead, you want to be, for example, doing something creative, where you’re building something genuinely new.
Or, you want to be doing something that really involves deep interaction with other people, that has that human element to it. For example, in the business world that might be building very sophisticated relationships with clients. A great job that I think is going to be relatively safe for the foreseeable future is nursing, because it has that human element to it, where you’re building relationships with people, and then there’s also a tremendous amount of dexterity, mobility, where you’re running around, doing lots of things.
That’s the other aspect of it, is that a lot of jobs that require that kind of dexterity, mobility, flexibility, are going to be hard to automate in the foreseeable future—things like electricians and plumbers and so forth are going to be relatively safe, I think. But of course, those aren’t necessarily jobs that people going to universities want to take.
So, prepare for something that incorporates those aspects. Creativity and human element, and maybe something beyond sitting in front of a computer, right? Because that in itself is going to be fairly susceptible to this.
So, let’s do a scenario here. Let’s say you’re right, and in fifteen years’ time—to take kind of your midpoint—we have enough job loss that is, say, commensurate with the Great Depression. So, that would be twenty-two percent. And it happens quickly… twenty-two percent of people are unemployed with few prospects. Tell me what you think happens in that world. Are there riots? What does the government do? Is there basic income? Like, what will happen?
Well, that’s going to be our choice. But the negative, let’s talk about the dystopian scenario first. Yes, I think there would absolutely be social unrest. You’re talking about people that in their lifetimes have experienced the middle-class lifestyle that are suddenly… I mean, everything just kind of disappears, right?
So, that’s certainly on the social side, there’s going to be enormous stress. And I would argue that we’re seeing the leading edge of that already. You ask yourself, why is Donald Trump in the Oval Office? Well, it’s because in part, at least, these blue-collar people, perhaps focused especially in the industrial Midwest, have this strong sense that they’ve been left behind.
And they may point to globalization or immigration as the reason for that. But in fact, technology has probably been the most important force in causing those people to no longer have access to the good, solid jobs that they once had. So, we see that already, [and] that could get orders of magnitude worse. So that’s on a social side and a political side.
Now, the other thing that’s happening is economic. We have a market economy, and that means that the whole economy relies on consumers that have got the purchasing power to go out and buy the stuff we’re producing, right?
Businesses need customers in order to thrive. This is true of virtually every business of any size, you need customers. In fact, if you really look at the industries that drive our economy, they’re almost invariably mass-market industries, whether it’s cars, or smartphones, or financial services. These are all industries that rely on tens, hundreds of millions of viable customers out there.
So, if people start losing their jobs and also their confidence… if they start worrying about the fact that they’re going to lose their jobs in the future, then they will start spending less, and that means we’re going to have an economic problem, right? We’re going to have potentially a deflationary scenario, where there’s simply not enough demand out there to drive the economy.
There’s also the potential for a financial crisis, obviously. Think back to 2008, what happened? How did that start? It started with the subprime crisis, where a lot of people did not have sufficient income to pay their mortgages.
So, obviously you can imagine a scenario in the future where lots of people can’t pay their mortgages, or their student loans, or their credit cards or whatever, and that has real implications for the financial sector. So no one should think that this is just about, “Well, it’s going to be some people that are less educated than I am, and they’re unlucky, too bad, but I’m going to be okay.”
No, I don’t think so. This is something that drags everyone into a major, major problem, both socially, politically, and economically.
The depression, though, it wasn’t notable for social unrest like that. There weren’t really riots.
There may not have been riots, but there was a genuine—in terms of the politics—there was a genuine fear out there that both democracy and capitalism were threatened. One of the most famous quotes comes from Joe Kennedy, who was the patriarch, the first Kennedy who made his money on Wall Street.
And he famously said, during that time, that he would gladly give up half of everything that he had if he could be certain that he’d get to keep the other half. Because there was genuine fear that there was going to be a revolution. Maybe a Communist revolution, something on that order, in the United States. So, it would be wrong to say that there was not this revolutionary fear out there.
Right. So, you said let’s start with the dystopian outcome…
Right, right… so, that’s the bad outcome. Now, if we do something about this, I think we can have a much more optimistic outcome. And the way to do that is going to be finding a way to decouple incomes from traditional forms of work. In other words, we’re going to have to find a way to make sure that people that aren’t working, and can’t find a regular job, have nonetheless got an income.
And there are two reasons to do that. The first reason is, obviously, that people have got to survive economically, and that addresses the social upheaval issue, to some extent at least. And the second issue is that people have got to have money to spend, if they’re going to be able to drive the economy. So, I personally think that some kind of a guaranteed minimum income, or a universal basic income, is probably going to be the way to go there.
Now there are lots of criticisms that people will say, “That’s paying people to be alive.” People will point out that if you just give money to people, that’s not going to solve the problem. Because people aren’t going to have any dignity, they’re not going to have any sense of fulfillment, or anything to occupy their time. They’re just going to take drugs, or be in a virtual reality environment.
And those are all legitimate concerns. Because, partly of those concerns, my view is that a basic income is not just this plug-and-play panacea that—okay, a basic income; that’s it. I think it’s a starting point. I think it’s the foundation that we can build on. And one thing that I’ve talked a lot about in my writing is the idea that we could build explicit incentives into a basic income.
Just to give an example, imagine that you are a struggling high school student. So, you’re in some difficult environment in high school, you’re really at risk of dropping out of school. Now, suppose you know that no matter what, you’re going to get the same basic income as everyone else. So, to me, that creates a very powerful perverse incentive for you to just drop out of school. To me that seems silly. We shouldn’t do that.
So, why not instead structure things a bit differently? Let’s say if you graduate from high school, then you’ll get a somewhat higher basic income than someone that just drops out. And we could take that idea of incentives and maybe extend it to other areas. Maybe if you go and work in the community, do things to help others, you’ll get a little bit higher basic income.
Or if you do things that are positive for the environment. You could extend it in many ways to incorporate incentives. And as you do that, then you take at least a few steps towards also solving that problem of, where do we find meaning and fulfillment and dignity in this world where maybe there just is less need for traditional work?
But that definitely is a problem that we need to solve, so I think we need to think creatively about that. How can we take a basic income and build it into something that is going to help us really solve some of these problems? And at the same time, as we do that, maybe we also take steps toward making a basic income more politically and socially acceptable and feasible. Because, obviously, right now it’s not politically feasible.
So, I think it’s really important to think in those terms: What can we really do to expand on this idea [of basic income]? But, if you figure that out, then you solve this problem, right? People then have an income, and then they have money to spend, and they can pay their debts and all the rest of it, and I think then it becomes much more positive.
If you think of the economy… think of not the real-world economy, but imagine it’s a simulation. And you’re doing this simulation of the whole market economy, and suddenly you tweak the simulation so that jobs begin to disappear. What could you do? Well, you could make a small fix to it so that you replace jobs with some other mechanism in this simulation, and then you could just keep the whole thing going.
You could continue to have thriving capitalism, a thriving market economy. I think when you think of it in those terms, as kind of a programmer tweaking a simulation, it’s not so hard to make it work. Obviously in the real world, given politics and everything, it’s going to be a lot harder, but my view is that it is a solvable problem.
Mark Cuban said the first trillionaires, or the first trillion-dollar companies, will be AI companies, that it has the capability of creating that kind of unmeasurable wealth. Would you agree with that?
Yeah, as long as we solve this problem. Again, it doesn’t matter whether you’re doing AI or any other business… that money is coming from somewhere, okay? Or when you talk about the way a company is valuated, whether it’s a million-dollar company or a trillion-dollar company, the value essentially comes from cash flows coming in in the future. That’s how you value a company.
Where are those cash flows coming [from]? Ultimately, they’re coming from consumers. They’re coming from people spending money, and people have to have money to spend. So, think of the economy as being kind of a virtuous cycle, where you cycle money from consumers to businesses and then back to consumers, and that it’s kind of a self-fulfilling, expanding, growing cycle over time.
The problem is that if the jobs go away, then that cycle is threatened, because that’s the mechanism that’s getting income back from producers to consumers so that the whole thing continues to be sustainable. So, we solve that problem and yeah, of course you’re going to have trillion-dollar companies.
And so, that’s the scenario if everything you say comes to pass. Take the opposite for just a minute. Say that fifteen years goes by, unemployment is five-and-a-quarter percent, and there’s been some turn of the jobs, and there’s no kind of phase shift, or paradigm shift, or anything like that. What would that mean?
Like, what does that mean long term for humanity? Do we just kind of go on in the way we are ad infinitum, or are there other things, other factors that could really upset the apple cart?
Well, again my argument would be that if that happens, and fifteen years from now things basically look the way they do now, then it means that people like me got the timing wrong. This isn’t really going to happen within fifteen years, maybe it’s going to be fifty years or a hundred years. But I still think it’s kind of inevitable.
The other thing, though, is be careful when you say fifteen years from now the unemployment rate is going to be five percent. One thing to be really careful about is that you’re measuring everything carefully, because, of course, the unemployment rate right now doesn’t catch a lot of people that are dropping out of the workforce.
In fact, it doesn’t capture anyone that drops out of the workforce, and we do have a declining labor force participation rate. So it’s possible for a lot of people to be left behind, and be disenfranchised, and still not be captured in that headline unemployment rate.
But a declining labor participation rate isn’t necessarily people who can’t find work, right? Like, if enough people just make a lot of money, and you’ve got the Baby Boomers retiring. Is it your impression that the numbers we’re seeing in labor participation are indicative of people getting discouraged and dropping out of the job market?
Yeah, to some extent. There are a number of things going on there. Obviously, as you say, part of it is the demographic shift, and there are two things happening there. One is that people are retiring; certainly, that’s part of it. The other thing is that people are staying in school longer, so younger people are less in the workforce than they might’ve been decades ago, because they’ve got to stay in school longer in order to have access to a job.
So, that’s certainly having an impact. But that doesn’t explain it totally, by any means. In fact, if you look at the labor force participation rate for what we call prime-age workers—and that would be people that are, maybe, between thirty and fifty… in other words, too old to be in school generally, and too young to retire—that’s also declining, especially for men. So, yes, there is definitely an impact from people leaving the workforce for whatever reason, very often [the reason is] being discouraged.
We’ve also seen a spike in applications for the social security disability program, which is what you’re supposed to get if you become disabled, and there really is no evidence that people are getting injured on the job at some extraordinarily new rate. So, I think many people think that people are using that as kind of a last resort basic income program.
They’re, in many cases, saying maybe they have a back injury that’s hard to verify and they’re getting onto that because they really just don’t have any other alternative. So, there definitely is something going on there, with that falling labor force participation rate.
And final question: What gives you the most hope, that whatever trials await us in the future—or do you have hope—that we’re going to get through them and go on to bigger and better things as a species?
Well, certainly the fact that we’ve always got through things in the past is some reason to be confident. We’ve faced enormous challenges of all kinds, including global wars, and plagues, and financial crises in the past and we’ve made it through. I think we can make it through this time. It doesn’t mean it will be easy. It rarely is easy.
There aren’t many cases in history, that we can point to, where we’ve just smoothly said, “Hey, look, there’s this problem coming at us. Let’s figure out what to do and adapt to it.” That rarely is the way it works. Generally, the way it works is that you get into a crisis, and eventually you end up solving the problem. And I suspect that that’s the way it will go this time. But, yeah, specifically, there are positive things that I see.
There are lots of important experiments, for example, with basic income, going on around the world. Even here in Silicon Valley, Y Combinator is doing something with an experiment with basic income that you may have heard about. So, I think that’s tremendously positive. That’s what we should be doing right now.
We should be gathering information about these solutions, and how exactly they’re going to work, so that we have the data that we’re going to need to maybe craft a much broader-based program at some point in the future. That’s all positive, you know? People are beginning to think seriously about these issues, and so I think that there is reason to be optimistic.
Okay, and real last question: If people want more of your thinking, do you have a website you suggest to go to?
The best place to go is my Twitter feed, which is @MFordFuture, and I also have a blog and a website which is the same, MFordFuture.com.
And are you working on anything new?
I am not working right now on a new book, but I go around doing a lot of speaking engagements on this. I’m on the board of directors of a startup company, which is actually doing something quite different. It’s actually going to do atmospheric water generation. In other words, generating water directly from air.
That’s a company called Genesis Systems, and I’m really excited about that, because it’s a chance for me to get involved in something really tangible. I think you’ve heard the quote from Peter Thiel, that we were promised flying cars and we got 140 characters. And I actually believe strongly in that.
I think there are too many people in Silicon Valley working on social media, and getting people to click on ads. So I’m really excited to get involved in a company that’s doing something really tangible, that’s going to maybe be transformative… If we can figure out how to directly generate water in very arid regions of the earth—in the Middle East, in North Africa, and so forth—that could be transformative.
Wow! I think by one estimate, if everybody had access to clean water, half of the hospital beds would be emptied in the whole world.
Yeah, it’s just an important problem, just on a human level and also in terms of security, in terms of the geopolitics of these regions. So I’m really excited to be involved with it.
Alright, well thank you so much for your time, and you have a good day.
Okay. Thank you.
Byron explores issues around artificial intelligence and conscious computers in his upcoming book The Fourth Age, to be published in April by Atria, an imprint of Simon & Schuster. Pre-order a copy here.
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Voices in AI – Episode 14: A Conversation with Martin Ford
Today's leading minds talk AI with host Byron Reese
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In this episode Byron and Martin talk about the future of jobs, AGI, consciousness and more.
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Byron Reese: Welcome to Voices in AI, I’m Byron Reese. Today we’re delighted to have as our guest Martin Ford. Martin Ford is a well-known futurist, and he has two incredibly notable books out. The most recent one is called The Rise of the Robots: Technology and the Threat of a Jobless Future, and the second one is The Lights in the Tunnel: Automation Accelerating Technology and the Economy of the Future.
I have read them both cover-to-cover, and Martin is second-to-none in coming up with original ideas and envisioning a kind of future. What is that future that you envision, Martin?
Martin Ford: Well, I do believe that artificial intelligence and robotics is going to have a dramatic impact on the job market. I’m one of those that believes that this time is different, relative to what we’ve seen in the past, and that, therefore, we probably are going to find a way to adapt to that.
I do see a future where there certainly is potential for significant unemployment, and even if that doesn’t develop, at a minimum we’re probably going to have underemployment and a continuation of stagnant wages, maybe even declining wages, and probably soaring inequality. And all of those things are just going to put an enormous amount of stress both on society and on the economy, and I think that’s going to be one of the biggest issues we need to think about over the next few decades.
So, taking a big step back, you said, quote: “This time is different.” And that’s obviously a reference to the oft-cited argument that we’ve heard this since the beginning of the Industrial Revolution, that machines were going to advance too quickly, and people weren’t going to be able to find new skills.
And I think everybody agrees, up to now, it’s been fantastically false, but your argument that this time is different is based on what? What exactly is different?
Well, the key is that the machines, in a limited sense, are beginning to think. I mean, they’re taking on cognitive capabilities. So what that means is that technology is finally encroaching on that fundamental capability that so far has allowed us to really stay ahead of the march of progress, and remain relevant.
I mean, you can ask the question, “Why are there still so many jobs? Why don’t we have unemployment already?” And surely the answer to that is our ability to learn and to adapt. To find new things to do. And yet, we’re now at a point where machines… especially in the form of machine learning, are beginning to move into that space.
And it’s going to, I think, eventually get to what you might think of as a kind of a tipping point, or an inflection point, where technology begins to outcompete a lot of people, in terms of their basic capability to really contribute to the economy.
No one is saying that all the jobs are going to disappear, and that there’s literally going to be no one working. But, I think it’s reasonable to be concerned that a significant fraction of our workforce—in particular those people that are perhaps best-equipped to do things that are fundamentally routine and repetitive and predictable—those people are probably going to have a harder and harder time adapting to this, and finding a foothold in the economy.
But, specifically, why do you think that? Give me a case-in-point. Because we’ve seen enormous, disruptive technologies on par with AI, right? Like, the harnessing of artificial power has to be up there with artificial intelligence. We’ve seen entire categories of jobs vanish. We’ve seen technology replace any number of people already.
And yet, unemployment, with the exception of the depression, never gets out from between four and nine percent in this country. What holds it in that stasis, and why? I still kind of want more meat on that, why this time is different. Because everything kind of hinges on that.
Well, I think that historically, we’ve seen primarily technology displacing muscle power. That’s been the case up until recently. Now, you talk about harnessing power… Obviously that did displace a lot of people doing manual labor, but people were able to move into more cognitively-oriented tasks.
Even if it was a manual job, it was one that required more brain power. But now, machines are encroaching on that as well. Clearly, we see many examples of that. There are algorithms that can do a lot of the things that journalists do, in terms of generating news stories. There are algorithms beginning to take on tasks done by lawyers, and radiologists, and so forth.
The most dramatic example perhaps I’ve seen is what DeepMind did with its AlphaGo system, where it was able to build a system that taught itself to play the ancient game of Go, and eventually became superhuman at that, and was able to beat the best players in the world.
And to me, I would’ve looked at that and I would’ve said, “If there’s any task out there that is uniquely human, and ought to be protected from automation, playing the game of Go—given the sophistication of the game—really, should probably be on that list.” But it’s fallen to the machines already.
So, I do think that when you really look at this focus on cognitive capability, on the fact that the machines are beginning to move into that space which so far has protected people… that, as we look forward—again, I’m not talking about next year, or three years from now even, but I’m thinking in terms of decades, ten years from now, twenty years from now—what’s it going to look like as these technologies continue to accelerate?
It does seem to me that there’s very likely to be a disruption.
So, if you’d been alive in the Industrial Revolution, and somebody said, “Oh, the farm jobs, they’re vanishing because of technology. There’s going to be less people employed in the farm industry in the future.” And then, wouldn’t somebody have asked the question, “Well, what are all those people going to do? Like, all they really know how to do are plant seeds.”
All the things they ended up doing were things that by-and-large didn’t exist at the time. So isn’t it the case that whatever the machines can do, humans figure out ways to use those skills to make jobs that are higher in productivity than the ones that they’re replacing?
Yeah, I think what you’re saying is absolutely correct. The question though, is… I’m not questioning that some of those jobs are going to exist. The question is, are there going to be enough of those jobs, and will those jobs be accessible to average people in our population?
Now, the example you are giving with agriculture is the classic one that everyone always cites, and here’s what I would say: Yes, you’re right. Those jobs did disappear, and maybe people didn’t anticipate what the new things were going to be. But it turned out that there was the whole rest of the economy out there to absorb those workers.
Agricultural machinery, tractors and combines and all the rest of it, was a specific mechanical technology that had a dramatic impact on one sector of the economy. And then those workers eventually moved to other sectors, and as they moved from sector to sector… first they moved from agriculture to manufacturing, and that was a transition. It wasn’t instant, it took some time.
But basically, what they were doing was moving from routine work in the field to, fundamentally, routine work in factories. And that may have taken some training and some adaptation, but it was something that basically involved moving from one routine to another routine thing. And then, of course, there was another transition that came later, as manufacturing also automated or offshored, and now everyone works in the service sector.
But still, most people, at least a very large percentage of people, are still doing things that are fundamentally routine and repetitive. A hundred years ago, you might’ve been doing routine work in the field, in the 1950s maybe you were doing routine work in a factory, now you’re scanning barcodes at Wal-Mart, or you’re stocking the shelves at Wal-Mart, or you’re doing some other relatively routine thing.
The point I’m making is that in the future, technology is going to basically consume all of that routine, repetitive, predictable work… And that there still will be things left, yes, but there will be more creative work, or it’ll be work that involves, perhaps, deep interaction with other people and so forth, that really are going to require a different skill set.
So it’s not the same kind of transition that we’ve seen in the past. It’s really more of, I think, a dramatic transition, where people, if they want to remain relevant, are going to have to really have an entirely different set of capabilities.
So, what I’m saying is that a significant fraction of our workforce is going to have a really hard time adapting to that. Even if the jobs are there, if there are sufficient jobs out there, they may not be a good match for a lot of people who are doing routine things right now.
Have you tried to put any sort of, even in your own head, any kind of model around this, like how much unemployment, or at what rate you think the economy will shed jobs, or what sort of timing, or anything like that?
I make guesses at it. Of course, there are some relatively high-profile studies that have been done, and I personally believe that you should take that with a grain of salt. The most famous one was the one done back in 2013, by a couple of guys at Oxford.
Which is arguably the most misquoted study on the thing.
Exactly, because what they said was that roughly forty-seven percent—which is a remarkably precise number, obviously—roughly half the jobs in the United States are going to be susceptible, could be automated, within the next couple of decades.
I thought what it says is that forty-seven percent of the things that people do in their jobs is able to be automated.
Yeah, this particular study, they did look at actual jobs. But the key point is that they said roughly half of those jobs could be automated, they didn’t say they will be automated. And when the press picked that up, it in some cases became “half the jobs are definitely going to go away.” There was another later study, which you may be referring to, [that] was done by McKinsey, and that one did look at tasks, not at jobs.
And they came up with approximately the same number. They came up with the idea that about half of the tasks within jobs would be susceptible to automation, or in some cases may already be able to be automated in theory… but that was looking at the task level. Now again, the press kind of looked at that and they took a very optimistic take on it. They said, “Well, your whole job then can’t be automated, only half of your job can be automated. So your employer’s going to leave you there to do higher-level stuff.” And in some cases, that may happen.
But the other alternative, of course, is that if you’ve got two people doing two jobs, and half of each of those can be automated, then we could well see a consolidation there, and maybe that just becomes one job, right? So, different studies have looked at it in different ways. Again, I would take all of these studies with some skepticism, because I don’t think anyone can really make predictions this precise.
But the main takeaway from it, I think, is that the amount of work that is going to be susceptible to automation could be very significant. And I would say, to my mind, it doesn’t make much difference whether it’s twenty percent of fifty percent. Those are both staggering numbers. They would both have a dramatic impact on society and on the economy. So regardless of what the exact figure is, it’s something that we need to think about.
In terms of timing, I tend to think in terms of between ten and twenty years as being the timeframe where this becomes kind of unambiguous, where we’ve clearly reached the point where we’re not going to have this debate anymore—where everyone agrees that this is an issue.
I tend to think ten to twenty years, but I certainly know people that are involved, for example, in machine learning, that are much more aggressive than that; and they say it could be five years. So that is something of a guess, but I do think that there are good reasons to be concerned that the disruption is coming.
The other thing I would say is that, even if I turn to be wrong about that, and it doesn’t happen within ten to twenty years, it probably is going to happen within fifty years. It seems inevitable to me at some point.
So, you talk about not having the debate anymore. And I think one of the most intriguing aspects of quote, ‘the debate’, is that when you talk to self-identified futurists, or when you talk to economists on the effect technology is going to have on jobs, they’re almost always remarkably split.
So you’ve got this camp of fifty percent-ish that says, “Oh, come on, this is ridiculous. There is no finite number of jobs. Anytime a person can pick up something and add value to it, they’ve just created a job. We want to get people out of tasks that machines can do, because they’re capable of doing more things,” and so forth.
So you get that whole camp, and then you have the side which, it sounds you’re more on, which is, “No, there’s a point at which the machines are able to improve faster than people are able to train,” and that that’s kind of an escape philosophy, and that has those repercussions. So all of that is a buildup to the question… like, these are two very different views of the future that people who think a lot about this have.
What assumptions do the two camps have, underneath their beliefs, that are making them so different, in your mind?
Right, I do think you’re right. It’s just an extraordinary range of opinion. I would say it’s even broader than that. You’re talking about the issue of whether or not jobs will be automated, but, on the same spectrum, I’m sure you can find famous economists, maybe economists with Nobel Prizes that would tell you, “This is all a kind of a silly issue. It’s repetition of the Luddite fears that we’ve had basically forever and nothing is different this time.”
And then at the other end of that spectrum you’ve got people not just talking about jobs, you’ve got Elon Musk and you’ve got Stephen Hawking saying, “It’s not even an issue of machines taking our jobs. They’re going to just take over. They might threaten us, be an existential threat, that might actually become super-intelligent and decide they don’t want us around.
So that’s just an incredible range of opinions on this issue, and I guess it points to the fact that it really is just extraordinarily unpredictable, in the sense that we really don’t know what’s going to happen with artificial intelligence.
Now, my view is that I do think that there is often a kind of a line you can draw. The people that tend to be more skeptical, maybe, are more geared toward being economists, and they do tend to put an enormous amount of weight on that historical record, and on the fact that, so far, this has not happened. And they give great weight to that.
The people that are more on my side of it, and see something different happening, tend to be people more on the technology side, that are involved deeply in machine learning and so forth, and really see how this technology is going.
I think that they maybe have a sense that something dramatic is really going to happen. That’s not a clear division, but it’s my sense that it kind of breaks down that way in many cases. But, for sure, I absolutely have a lot of respect for the people that disagree with me. This is a very meaningful, important debate, with a lot of different perspectives, and I think it’s going to be really, really fascinating to see how it plays out.
So, you touched on the existential threat of artificial intelligence. Let me just start with a couple of questions: Do you believe that an AGI, a general intelligence, is possible?
Yes, I don’t know of any reason that it’s not possible.
Fair enough.
That doesn’t mean I think it will happen, but I think it’s certainly possible.
And then, if it’s possible, everybody, you know… When you line up everybody’s prediction on when, they range from five years to five hundred years, which is also a telling thing. Where are you in that?
I’m not a true expert in this area, because I’m obviously not doing that research. But based on the people I’ve talked to that are in the field, I would put it further out than maybe most people. I think of it as being probably fifty years out… would be a guess, at least, and quite possibly more than that.
I am open to the possibility that I could be wrong about that, and it could be sooner. But it’s hard for me to imagine it sooner than maybe twenty-five to thirty years. But again, this is just extraordinarily unpredictable. Maybe there’s some project going on right now that we don’t know about that is going to prove something much sooner. But my sense is that it’s pretty far out—measured in terms of decades.
And do you believe computers can become conscious?
I believe it’s possible. What I would say is that the human brain is a biological machine. That’s what I believe. And I see absolutely no reason why the experience of the human mind, as it exists within the brain, can’t be replicated in some other medium, whether it’s silicon or quantum computing or whatever.
I don’t see why consciousness is something that is restricted, in principle, to a biological brain.
So I assume, then, it’s fair to say that you hope you’re wrong?
Well, I don’t know about that. I definitely am concerned about the more dystopian outcomes. I don’t dismiss those concerns, I think they’re real. I’m kind of agnostic on that; I don’t see that it’s definitely the case that we’re going to have a bad outcome if we do have conscious, super-intelligent machines. But it’s a risk.
But I also see it as something that’s inevitable. I don’t think we can stop it. So probably the best strategy is to begin thinking about that. And what I would say is that the issue that I’m focused on, which is what’s going to happen to the job market, is much more immediate. That’s something that is happening within the next ten to twenty years.
This other issue of super-intelligence and conscious machines is another important issue that’s, I think, a bit further out, but it’s also a real challenge that we should be thinking about it. And for that reason, I think that it’s great that people like Elon Musk are making investments there, in think tanks and so forth, and they’re beginning to focus on that.
I think it would be pretty hard to justify a big government public expenditure on thinking about this issue at this point in time, so it’s great that some people are focused on that.
And, so, I’m sure you get this question that I get all the time, which is, “I have young children. What should they study today to make sure that they have a relevant, useful job in the future?” You get that question?
Oh, I get that question. Yeah, it’s probably the most common question I get.
Yeah, me too. What do you say?
I probably am going to bet that I say something very similar to what you say, because I think the answer is almost a cliché. It’s that first and foremost, avoid studying to prepare yourself for a job that is on some level routine, repetitive, or predictable. Instead, you want to be, for example, doing something creative, where you’re building something genuinely new.
Or, you want to be doing something that really involves deep interaction with other people, that has that human element to it. For example, in the business world that might be building very sophisticated relationships with clients. A great job that I think is going to be relatively safe for the foreseeable future is nursing, because it has that human element to it, where you’re building relationships with people, and then there’s also a tremendous amount of dexterity, mobility, where you’re running around, doing lots of things.
That’s the other aspect of it, is that a lot of jobs that require that kind of dexterity, mobility, flexibility, are going to be hard to automate in the foreseeable future—things like electricians and plumbers and so forth are going to be relatively safe, I think. But of course, those aren’t necessarily jobs that people going to universities want to take.
So, prepare for something that incorporates those aspects. Creativity and human element, and maybe something beyond sitting in front of a computer, right? Because that in itself is going to be fairly susceptible to this.
So, let’s do a scenario here. Let’s say you’re right, and in fifteen years’ time—to take kind of your midpoint—we have enough job loss that is, say, commensurate with the Great Depression. So, that would be twenty-two percent. And it happens quickly… twenty-two percent of people are unemployed with few prospects. Tell me what you think happens in that world. Are there riots? What does the government do? Is there basic income? Like, what will happen?
Well, that’s going to be our choice. But the negative, let’s talk about the dystopian scenario first. Yes, I think there would absolutely be social unrest. You’re talking about people that in their lifetimes have experienced the middle-class lifestyle that are suddenly… I mean, everything just kind of disappears, right?
So, that’s certainly on the social side, there’s going to be enormous stress. And I would argue that we’re seeing the leading edge of that already. You ask yourself, why is Donald Trump in the Oval Office? Well, it’s because in part, at least, these blue-collar people, perhaps focused especially in the industrial Midwest, have this strong sense that they’ve been left behind.
And they may point to globalization or immigration as the reason for that. But in fact, technology has probably been the most important force in causing those people to no longer have access to the good, solid jobs that they once had. So, we see that already, [and] that could get orders of magnitude worse. So that’s on a social side and a political side.
Now, the other thing that’s happening is economic. We have a market economy, and that means that the whole economy relies on consumers that have got the purchasing power to go out and buy the stuff we’re producing, right?
Businesses need customers in order to thrive. This is true of virtually every business of any size, you need customers. In fact, if you really look at the industries that drive our economy, they’re almost invariably mass-market industries, whether it’s cars, or smartphones, or financial services. These are all industries that rely on tens, hundreds of millions of viable customers out there.
So, if people start losing their jobs and also their confidence… if they start worrying about the fact that they’re going to lose their jobs in the future, then they will start spending less, and that means we’re going to have an economic problem, right? We’re going to have potentially a deflationary scenario, where there’s simply not enough demand out there to drive the economy.
There’s also the potential for a financial crisis, obviously. Think back to 2008, what happened? How did that start? It started with the subprime crisis, where a lot of people did not have sufficient income to pay their mortgages.
So, obviously you can imagine a scenario in the future where lots of people can’t pay their mortgages, or their student loans, or their credit cards or whatever, and that has real implications for the financial sector. So no one should think that this is just about, “Well, it’s going to be some people that are less educated than I am, and they’re unlucky, too bad, but I’m going to be okay.”
No, I don’t think so. This is something that drags everyone into a major, major problem, both socially, politically, and economically.
The depression, though, it wasn’t notable for social unrest like that. There weren’t really riots.
There may not have been riots, but there was a genuine—in terms of the politics—there was a genuine fear out there that both democracy and capitalism were threatened. One of the most famous quotes comes from Joe Kennedy, who was the patriarch, the first Kennedy who made his money on Wall Street.
And he famously said, during that time, that he would gladly give up half of everything that he had if he could be certain that he’d get to keep the other half. Because there was genuine fear that there was going to be a revolution. Maybe a Communist revolution, something on that order, in the United States. So, it would be wrong to say that there was not this revolutionary fear out there.
Right. So, you said let’s start with the dystopian outcome…
Right, right… so, that’s the bad outcome. Now, if we do something about this, I think we can have a much more optimistic outcome. And the way to do that is going to be finding a way to decouple incomes from traditional forms of work. In other words, we’re going to have to find a way to make sure that people that aren’t working, and can’t find a regular job, have nonetheless got an income.
And there are two reasons to do that. The first reason is, obviously, that people have got to survive economically, and that addresses the social upheaval issue, to some extent at least. And the second issue is that people have got to have money to spend, if they’re going to be able to drive the economy. So, I personally think that some kind of a guaranteed minimum income, or a universal basic income, is probably going to be the way to go there.
Now there are lots of criticisms that people will say, “That’s paying people to be alive.” People will point out that if you just give money to people, that’s not going to solve the problem. Because people aren’t going to have any dignity, they’re not going to have any sense of fulfillment, or anything to occupy their time. They’re just going to take drugs, or be in a virtual reality environment.
And those are all legitimate concerns. Because, partly of those concerns, my view is that a basic income is not just this plug-and-play panacea that—okay, a basic income; that’s it. I think it’s a starting point. I think it’s the foundation that we can build on. And one thing that I’ve talked a lot about in my writing is the idea that we could build explicit incentives into a basic income.
Just to give an example, imagine that you are a struggling high school student. So, you’re in some difficult environment in high school, you’re really at risk of dropping out of school. Now, suppose you know that no matter what, you’re going to get the same basic income as everyone else. So, to me, that creates a very powerful perverse incentive for you to just drop out of school. To me that seems silly. We shouldn’t do that.
So, why not instead structure things a bit differently? Let’s say if you graduate from high school, then you’ll get a somewhat higher basic income than someone that just drops out. And we could take that idea of incentives and maybe extend it to other areas. Maybe if you go and work in the community, do things to help others, you’ll get a little bit higher basic income.
Or if you do things that are positive for the environment. You could extend it in many ways to incorporate incentives. And as you do that, then you take at least a few steps towards also solving that problem of, where do we find meaning and fulfillment and dignity in this world where maybe there just is less need for traditional work?
But that definitely is a problem that we need to solve, so I think we need to think creatively about that. How can we take a basic income and build it into something that is going to help us really solve some of these problems? And at the same time, as we do that, maybe we also take steps toward making a basic income more politically and socially acceptable and feasible. Because, obviously, right now it’s not politically feasible.
So, I think it’s really important to think in those terms: What can we really do to expand on this idea [of basic income]? But, if you figure that out, then you solve this problem, right? People then have an income, and then they have money to spend, and they can pay their debts and all the rest of it, and I think then it becomes much more positive.
If you think of the economy… think of not the real-world economy, but imagine it’s a simulation. And you’re doing this simulation of the whole market economy, and suddenly you tweak the simulation so that jobs begin to disappear. What could you do? Well, you could make a small fix to it so that you replace jobs with some other mechanism in this simulation, and then you could just keep the whole thing going.
You could continue to have thriving capitalism, a thriving market economy. I think when you think of it in those terms, as kind of a programmer tweaking a simulation, it’s not so hard to make it work. Obviously in the real world, given politics and everything, it’s going to be a lot harder, but my view is that it is a solvable problem.
Mark Cuban said the first trillionaires, or the first trillion-dollar companies, will be AI companies, that it has the capability of creating that kind of unmeasurable wealth. Would you agree with that?
Yeah, as long as we solve this problem. Again, it doesn’t matter whether you’re doing AI or any other business… that money is coming from somewhere, okay? Or when you talk about the way a company is valuated, whether it’s a million-dollar company or a trillion-dollar company, the value essentially comes from cash flows coming in in the future. That’s how you value a company.
Where are those cash flows coming [from]? Ultimately, they’re coming from consumers. They’re coming from people spending money, and people have to have money to spend. So, think of the economy as being kind of a virtuous cycle, where you cycle money from consumers to businesses and then back to consumers, and that it’s kind of a self-fulfilling, expanding, growing cycle over time.
The problem is that if the jobs go away, then that cycle is threatened, because that’s the mechanism that’s getting income back from producers to consumers so that the whole thing continues to be sustainable. So, we solve that problem and yeah, of course you’re going to have trillion-dollar companies.
And so, that’s the scenario if everything you say comes to pass. Take the opposite for just a minute. Say that fifteen years goes by, unemployment is five-and-a-quarter percent, and there’s been some turn of the jobs, and there’s no kind of phase shift, or paradigm shift, or anything like that. What would that mean?
Like, what does that mean long term for humanity? Do we just kind of go on in the way we are ad infinitum, or are there other things, other factors that could really upset the apple cart?
Well, again my argument would be that if that happens, and fifteen years from now things basically look the way they do now, then it means that people like me got the timing wrong. This isn’t really going to happen within fifteen years, maybe it’s going to be fifty years or a hundred years. But I still think it’s kind of inevitable.
The other thing, though, is be careful when you say fifteen years from now the unemployment rate is going to be five percent. One thing to be really careful about is that you’re measuring everything carefully, because, of course, the unemployment rate right now doesn’t catch a lot of people that are dropping out of the workforce.
In fact, it doesn’t capture anyone that drops out of the workforce, and we do have a declining labor force participation rate. So it’s possible for a lot of people to be left behind, and be disenfranchised, and still not be captured in that headline unemployment rate.
But a declining labor participation rate isn’t necessarily people who can’t find work, right? Like, if enough people just make a lot of money, and you’ve got the Baby Boomers retiring. Is it your impression that the numbers we’re seeing in labor participation are indicative of people getting discouraged and dropping out of the job market?
Yeah, to some extent. There are a number of things going on there. Obviously, as you say, part of it is the demographic shift, and there are two things happening there. One is that people are retiring; certainly, that’s part of it. The other thing is that people are staying in school longer, so younger people are less in the workforce than they might’ve been decades ago, because they’ve got to stay in school longer in order to have access to a job.
So, that’s certainly having an impact. But that doesn’t explain it totally, by any means. In fact, if you look at the labor force participation rate for what we call prime-age workers—and that would be people that are, maybe, between thirty and fifty… in other words, too old to be in school generally, and too young to retire—that’s also declining, especially for men. So, yes, there is definitely an impact from people leaving the workforce for whatever reason, very often [the reason is] being discouraged.
We’ve also seen a spike in applications for the social security disability program, which is what you’re supposed to get if you become disabled, and there really is no evidence that people are getting injured on the job at some extraordinarily new rate. So, I think many people think that people are using that as kind of a last resort basic income program.
They’re, in many cases, saying maybe they have a back injury that’s hard to verify and they’re getting onto that because they really just don’t have any other alternative. So, there definitely is something going on there, with that falling labor force participation rate.
And final question: What gives you the most hope, that whatever trials await us in the future—or do you have hope—that we’re going to get through them and go on to bigger and better things as a species?
Well, certainly the fact that we’ve always got through things in the past is some reason to be confident. We’ve faced enormous challenges of all kinds, including global wars, and plagues, and financial crises in the past and we’ve made it through. I think we can make it through this time. It doesn’t mean it will be easy. It rarely is easy.
There aren’t many cases in history, that we can point to, where we’ve just smoothly said, “Hey, look, there’s this problem coming at us. Let’s figure out what to do and adapt to it.” That rarely is the way it works. Generally, the way it works is that you get into a crisis, and eventually you end up solving the problem. And I suspect that that’s the way it will go this time. But, yeah, specifically, there are positive things that I see.
There are lots of important experiments, for example, with basic income, going on around the world. Even here in Silicon Valley, Y Combinator is doing something with an experiment with basic income that you may have heard about. So, I think that’s tremendously positive. That’s what we should be doing right now.
We should be gathering information about these solutions, and how exactly they’re going to work, so that we have the data that we’re going to need to maybe craft a much broader-based program at some point in the future. That’s all positive, you know? People are beginning to think seriously about these issues, and so I think that there is reason to be optimistic.
Okay, and real last question: If people want more of your thinking, do you have a website you suggest to go to?
The best place to go is my Twitter feed, which is @MFordFuture, and I also have a blog and a website which is the same, MFordFuture.com.
And are you working on anything new?
I am not working right now on a new book, but I go around doing a lot of speaking engagements on this. I’m on the board of directors of a startup company, which is actually doing something quite different. It’s actually going to do atmospheric water generation. In other words, generating water directly from air.
That’s a company called Genesis Systems, and I’m really excited about that, because it’s a chance for me to get involved in something really tangible. I think you’ve heard the quote from Peter Thiel, that we were promised flying cars and we got 140 characters. And I actually believe strongly in that.
I think there are too many people in Silicon Valley working on social media, and getting people to click on ads. So I’m really excited to get involved in a company that’s doing something really tangible, that’s going to maybe be transformative… If we can figure out how to directly generate water in very arid regions of the earth—in the Middle East, in North Africa, and so forth—that could be transformative.
Wow! I think by one estimate, if everybody had access to clean water, half of the hospital beds would be emptied in the whole world.
Yeah, it’s just an important problem, just on a human level and also in terms of security, in terms of the geopolitics of these regions. So I’m really excited to be involved with it.
Alright, well thank you so much for your time, and you have a good day.
Okay. Thank you.
Byron explores issues around artificial intelligence and conscious computers in his upcoming book The Fourth Age, to be published in April by Atria, an imprint of Simon & Schuster. Pre-order a copy here.
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Since the book is based on researches, it’s actually like asking from experts but without leaving the convenience of your house or office. There are many handbooks on drugs out there but nothing else even compares to this. It is also called by many readers as the “Drug Addiction Manual” due to the many information it gives. In addition, it’s written in simple English so that anyone can understand the contents and gain tips from it.
There’s no shame in confessing that I had my share of drug abuse as well. When I began becoming caught in this drug addiction chaos, I didn’t know how to first start to correct my life, that’s why I looked for assistance! I mean, information on this isn’t easy to come by… I required the most comprehensive guide offered in the market. Believe me, I have been here in the past. I’ve already tried looking everywhere and discovered no solutions, but when I did, I chose to create this book about it for everybody to read without problem.
You should know the FREE Brand New5 Part E-course. This 5-part e-course will let you understand drug abuse and how to stop the habit effectively. You have no obligation, simply grab the limited offering.
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It’s time to wreck the terrible habit of using drugs. There are a lot of things to find out apart from what you will uncover below. Stress will become simpler to deal with and you’ll be able to know how to control yourself when the urge hits you. You’ll also learn about the cause of drug abuse and the different types of drugs. Through this, you can determine how be of help to a person you love who is having a difficult time coping.
During the process, you will find out about the correct technique of counseling an individual who uses drugs frequently as well as the indications that an individual is a drug user. Considering the complexity of addiction, it is vital to learn what causes it and the appropriate treatment for it.Drug dependent women and men can undergo rehabilitation procedures and plans, as well. These plans provide detoxifying remedies and a lot more to people who need help.
All these valuable information are present in a single book that is easily available. Gaining more information can be attained without waiting for many months. Waiting for the arrival of the mail must not be your concern any longer. By downloading “Drug Addiction-Stop Your Dependence”, you can aquire a copy of it anytime and anywhere. It will take a few minutes for the process to finish! Don’t wait and have your copy now!
Don’t wait! If you order now, you will get the research-based book that has helped numerous people through the entire process. The book contains information that do not beat around the bush, which is why many readers find it beneficial. There are no complicated statements that befuddle readers. The book is composed using standard English to prevent misunderstandings with medical terms. This copy cannot be discovered elsewhere but on this site. Get your own copy now by clicking on the link and starting your order.
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Drug Rehabilitation Medley Florida 33166
There is a guide for coping with drug addiction and it has helped many people. Those who want to stop their drug abuse or people who want to help other individuals, they can acquire this book. It is not easy work but if you genuinely want to change your life for the better, you can start by reading this important letter.
Medley, Florida Drug Treatment
Dear Friend,
Do you know somebody or is it you who wish to end drug use?Are you searching for approaches on how you can stop drug use?Thus, it is recommended to read this book. Truths about drug addiction will be discovered in this book.
Since the book is based on researches, it’s actually like asking from experts but without leaving the convenience of your house or office. There are many handbooks on drugs out there but nothing else even compares to this. It is also called by many readers as the “Drug Addiction Manual” due to the many information it gives. In addition, it’s written in simple English so that anyone can understand the contents and gain tips from it.
There’s no shame in confessing that I had my share of drug abuse as well. When I began becoming caught in this drug addiction chaos, I didn’t know how to first start to correct my life, that’s why I looked for assistance! I mean, information on this isn’t easy to come by… I required the most comprehensive guide offered in the market. Believe me, I have been here in the past. I’ve already tried looking everywhere and discovered no solutions, but when I did, I chose to create this book about it for everybody to read without problem.
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Sincerely,
Jonathan D
It may be a surprise but you can actually address substance abuse with little effort. Not just will you discover the thrill of breaking free from your addiction, but you will also learn added bonus tips to actually help others.
This Doesn’t Even Cover What You Will Learn
From Drug Addiction – Quit Your Dependence.
It’s time to wreck the terrible habit of using drugs. There are a lot of things to find out apart from what you will uncover below. Stress will become simpler to deal with and you’ll be able to know how to control yourself when the urge hits you. You’ll also learn about the cause of drug abuse and the different types of drugs. Through this, you can determine how be of help to a person you love who is having a difficult time coping.
During the process, you will find out about the correct technique of counseling an individual who uses drugs frequently as well as the indications that an individual is a drug user. Considering the complexity of addiction, it is vital to learn what causes it and the appropriate treatment for it.Drug dependent women and men can undergo rehabilitation procedures and plans, as well. These plans provide detoxifying remedies and a lot more to people who need help.
All these valuable information are present in a single book that is easily available. Gaining more information can be attained without waiting for many months. Waiting for the arrival of the mail must not be your concern any longer. By downloading “Drug Addiction-Stop Your Dependence”, you can aquire a copy of it anytime and anywhere. It will take a few minutes for the process to finish! Don’t wait and have your copy now!
Don’t wait! If you order now, you will get the research-based book that has helped numerous people through the entire process. The book contains information that do not beat around the bush, which is why many readers find it beneficial. There are no complicated statements that befuddle readers. The book is composed using standard English to prevent misunderstandings with medical terms. This copy cannot be discovered elsewhere but on this site. Get your own copy now by clicking on the link and starting your order.
The actual price of Drug Addiction – Stop Your Dependence is $47.77. Since this is an uncommon moment, you can have it free of charge! Isn’t thata fantastic offer? Throw away the doubts because there is nothing to lose. Have your copy of Drug Addiction – Stop Your Dependence by hitting “Order Now”.
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You can start looking over this book within just 3 minutes Click here to get your FREE copy of Drug Addiction – Stop Your Dependence!
There is nothing to lose, so don’t wait!
Best wishes on your drug-free endeavors!
Warmest Regards,
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Drug Treatment Medley Florida 33166
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