#HATE HEIMERDINGER

[burningfunobject]

Am I the only one worried for act III??

Like they have SO much to get through in just 3 episodes and with the way the other two acts have gone (leaving certain characters for just one big segment in one episode instead of spreading their scenes out) makes me kinda worried

Like how are we going to get through all the stuff with viktor and jayce, get mel back, find ekko and the rat, caitvi, vi becoming an enforcer proper, jinxs everything AND noxus in just THREE episodes

Maybe they'll be longer??? I kinda doubt that tho

[mollysunder]

The real sign of the inevitable dissolution of Jayce and Viktor's partnership/friendship really was the Progress Day Speech. I've seen people say this scene highlighted the growing shift in priorities between Jayce and Viktor. That Jayce was getting swept up in the limelight while Viktor wanted to keep it humble and stick to the work, and that's wrong.

First thing's first, Viktor does in fact want to go on stage (he was excited to just demonstrate the hexclaw), and Jayce is sincere in that he wants to share the spotlight and credit for hextech with Viktor. The problem in that scene is that for practically 7 years, Jayce has failed to see what's actually going on.

Jayce can't see that his face and only his face is on the mugs, the blimps, and the very banners that decorate the hall he's supposed to give a speech in. Jayce can't see that the Councilors direct all their questions on hextech to him while Viktor sits right next to him. Jayce doesn't notice that Mel, the most perceptive Councilor, still thought of Viktor as Heimerdinger's assistant (she didn't know they were close??!?!). He doesn't realize that the discussion on weaponizing hextech is centered on him rather than between him and his partner. Viktor isn't the one being invited to Piltover's parties for a reason.

Between Jayce and Viktor, they're partners on equal grounds, but to EVERYONE else in Piltover Viktor is practically a non-entity. The only person who doesn't get this is Jayce. It's a testament to Jayce's earnest naivette to think Viktor, as a Zaunite and visibly disabled, would be easily welcomed on stage by Piltover's elite to represent what Piltover has to offer. You'll notice this is the same crowd of people that attend Mel's Gala, the same Gala Viktor wasn't invited to.

This dynamic is insane!?!?! It's unsustainable!!!!! Obviously, Viktor is a grown man and could have mentioned something to Jayce, but also it's at least 7 years, how does someone miss this?!?!

By their last scene of the finale, Jayce was able to give Viktor a voice on the Council by literally standing by his side and giving him a seat at the table, but like peace treaty, the gesture has come far too late, and things cannot return to as they were.

[lowpolybread]

“My mom told me these stories all the time. I remember this. She said…” “What?” “She said this is what the gods are like to each other. This is the kind of family they are.” “Why didn’t you wanna say that just now?” “She was trying to keep me away from you guys. Maybe you were right. Maybe she should have been preparing me better.” “Maybe she was preparing you. So when you got to us, you’d be different than this.”

PERCY JACKSON AND THE OLYMPIANS 1x03 + 1x05

[1296-very-good-year]

ACTUALLY I'm not done complaining about this... I'm still so mad.

All Jayce and Viktor wanted from the start was to give magic to everyone. It wasn't fair for magic to only be reserved for those lucky enough to be born with it.

Naturally, they were fought tooth and nail by the rich corrupt council who wanted it only for themselves. BUT they found an ally in Mel (a young politician who ALSO believed in this dream!!), who helped them gain the influence they needed to boot Heimerdinger from the council, and pass a motion for an independent Zaun to end the bloodshed and share the hexgates. They were about to achieve their dream, but it was too late - in part thanks to the mistakes they made along the way. A wonderful tragedy!

But then it turns out that no, their dream was doomed to fail from the beginning by stupid inevitable timeloop shit. Viktor always goes evil no matter the decisions they make with Hextech. They both "die" believing their dream was bad, actually. Maybe people don't deserve magic, and everything they worked towards their entire adult lives was wrong.

The best thing they can do to fix their mistakes is to KILL THEMSELVES alongside their creations. That's NOT a tragedy brought about by human flaws, it's just bullshit (especially if you believe the writers that Viktor was manipulated by the Hexcore the whole time?? So it wasn't even his fault??? Oh well, he has to die anyway????). And it retroactively ruins everything that made Season 1 great. All the little moments where characters make the exact wrong choice at the exact wrong moment to push things closer to disaster? Where we screamed at the TV knowing if they just did ONE thing differently it could have changed everything?

NO ACTUALLY, none of those choices even mattered! It was always going to end this way, fuck you for thinking about it!

And as a scientist... It's just the worst message to leave your audience with. If you are scared of GMO's or molecular physics or space travel because humans "shouldn't have that kind of power", then this is the show for you!! I'm mad.

[hofudlaus]

The no hextech timeline proves silko right One of my big issues with the alternate timeline stuff is that we're shown a better zaun, a better way, how things Could have gone And the only Real Reason for said change we're given is Vi dying Vi dies=no hextech=no/less oppression somehow??? Sure no hextech would cause extreme changes in the timeline but it would not make the rich suddenly develop empathy and change laws n whatever To me, the only logical explanation here would be that there was a riot. Vis death being a spark that lit a fire in Vander again. Vi dies in jayces apartment. This causes the rest of the kids to stay there, to shocked to leave before the enforcers arrive(we see this happen) and the enforcers, after getting over the initial shock of the whole thing, then arrested the kids. When news reaches Vander it shows him that no matter how much he grovels for piltovers scraps of peace there will never be Real peace without a fight. He cannot meaningfully protect his family in a system that punishes them for existing, no matter how hard he tries. He now Agrees with silko, they need to fight back, he has to get his kids back. He has to make a better future for them. This is the only way I could realistically see them reconciling And I feel it's the only way there could be this big of a change in such a short time, a few years is Nothing in politics, the rich will fight you every step of the way when you try and change the status quo. The only way they would have gotten those changes is by denying piltover the ability to say no to them.

[verysadlesbian]

I am begging people to understand that criticising a character's actions doesn't mean you hate them and pointing out flaws in the writing and pacing of a show doesn't mean you hate it either.

[freakyalex990]

I love arcane... Act 1 was so good Love Heimerdinger...

[barrygeuse]

s2 of arcane was a major disappointment to me all things considered. it was gorgeous and i can't deny that; i fully enjoyed watching it, but its plot was overcrowded and it completely abandoned everything that happened in s1. silco and vander's sacrifices, the fight for zaun's independence.. it was all completely undermined by the war. countless lives lost and for what? we got a glimpse of what zaun and piltover could have been, but in our timeline everyone was fighting the arcane and ambessa rather than the oppressive piltover. it wasn't about the undercity and topside anymore. it just felt kind of nothingburger to me which was disappointing considering how much the first season elicited emotion

[loudwastelandturtle]

People who straight up hate Heimerdinger are so funny. You hate the whimsical yordle gandpa who says things like "gadzooks" or "ball sockets"? You hate a little science man who likes science and builds stuff like a bubble machine and has a funny looking pet? You hate a peepaw who likes to sneak around and plays a banjo? Alright man

[crow-drawing-their-cards]

incredible rare opinion but I think Heimerdinger is the most complex character in all of Arcane and the biggest reason for that alone is that he isn't human and is 300+ years old.

other characters such as Jinx, Silco, Caitlyn, etc. really are complex don't get me wrong, but its mainly grief or psychotic behaviour and thinking due to quick horrible events that they haven't had the time or resources to heal from. Products of their environment and time.

Hiemerdinger however is such an interesting character to write and react about simply because of his life span and race. he has fucked up, he has had time to see things, meet people, etc. but those hundreds of years can really drain a person. Not to mention there aren't any yordles around him (which is what race he is in LOL and Arcane) from what we can see, or anyone close to that race. I mean look at the wiki on yordles!

he is simply a product of his environment like everyone else! He is probably so incredibly lonely. having to see people he's gotten close to die from age, see the counsel change and adapt, its why he wasn't as comforting to Victor as he could be. he's older and for that he knows how to distance himself like Vi. The only difference between him and the other humans characters is he's had far more years of that environment. I honestly find it unfair how you guys see him, because you guys can excuse or justify all the "bad" behaviour seen in other humans characters but not him.

[burningfunobject]

I hope viktor beats up heimerdinger

That's it I just need him to go splat and pop back into shape

Then get lazered

I know ekko hates viktor in the games soooo

Honestly viktor deserves it

[snakes-of-the-undercity]

HOLY FUCK JAYCE WHAT WAS TAHT?????!???!

[mistresscitrusslice]

Heimerdinger better be ready with a thousand and a half apologies because WHY THE FUCK would he like the weird spiderwebby arcane thing when they JUST ESTABLISHED that it’s weird and anomalous and dangerous and they don’t know what it’ll do??? Jayce and Ekko were investigating it safely and cautiously and HEIMERDINGER, who should be the cautious one, decides he just needs to know what it’ll do if he touches it. If all these three get stuck in a weird void dimension, it’s on him and they should cannibalize him first.

[eileen-crys]

One thing I hope to see in the next episodes of Arcane s2 is a meeting between Viktor and Heimerdinger. In s1 Viktor was introduced as Heimer's assistant and I loved the conversation the two had after Vik's prognosis, before he started tinkering with the Hexcore, before Heimer asked them to destroy it. Heimerdinger being exiled from the council was not only sad, but while it helped him connect with the same Zaun he neglected and Ekko, he didn't see Viktor anymore and literally has no idea of what happened to him (and Jayce).

The only one thing I was a bit disappointed with in the first act is how they handled Heimerdinger as a whole, mostly his return to the lab, how he simply asked "Where's Viktor?" and then brainstormed with Jayce and Ekko about the runes, about plants etc. I know cuts had to be made, but I feel Heimer always gets the short end of the stick because haha smol and funy...

I was hoping to see him a bit more unsettled by the fact Viktor fused with the same hexcore Heimer was SO desperate to destroy and is now errand god knows where, god knows doing what with a wild magic that could kill him or others in any moment. Viktor is a ticking bomb of Arcane right now, AND used to be Heimer's pupil too. So I know Heimer is too late to help (that's how his character is, something immortal and wise but still unable to do anything concrete), but I really hope to get any kind of reunion/meeting with Viktor before something drastic and ultimate happens to him, at least to close the circle that was opened with Viktor's introduction as Heimer's assistant.

[livingforthehopeofitall02]

Except Mel, Viktor and Sky I’ve had moments of intense hatred or dislike for almost every character

That’s arcane I guess

[purpleshimmer]

I keep forgetting that at some point in the season Heimerdinger is going to sing a fucking song