#Gregor don and outis are there too I guess

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the bongy plushie grind is neverending

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stray canto vii part 1 thoughts (warning: long)

so many cool new designs!! it made me realize how few of interest we got in Canto VI. Then almost everything was pretty standard (classic maid and butler outfits, lots of suits, Cathy had a fancy dress at least? and everything was brown. yes I know, T Corp color drain, but still. and Öufi came before season 3 ended so that didn’t count), but this time we have Camille, the P Corp guys, Fanghunt Office, Hugo I guess, Hong Lu’s sister, the firefist guy? if he counts? he barely appeared, Sansón, and all the fancy dressed up bloodfiends. woo babey!!

speaking of Jia Xichun, I like her! She’s cute! I didn’t expect to see anyone related to Hong Lu, but in retrospect I probably should’ve, since his turn is next and his family is massive. I hope nothing bad happens to her. I've never read Dream of the Red Chamber

also speaking of Hugo, lol. lmao. when he was talking about pressing the button to get the reward I was like “oh hopkins 2, got it” and then Ryōshū sliced off his hands so I guess… not hopkins 2

ALSO the blonde Fanghunt guy is named Romero, which is apparently the name of a character in Vampire: The Masquerade. I wouldn’t be surprised if it was an intentional reference

Sinclair cursing that one guy out was so awesome. I remember when Canto V part 2 came out and he censored himself saying “Bitch Brother” people were worried that the new translators were making him softer than he actually was, but, nah, he tries his best to be a polite boy but when he’s actually genuinely pissed off he does not hold back. Ryōshū correcting him BUT THEN SAYING HIS INTERPRETATION WAS GOOD absolutely killed me. my son demands respect

it’s a good day to be a Leviathan fan

The scripted loss encounter was so cool. They set you to level 45 no matter what level your LCB Don is, and take away all your EGO except the base (which you can’t even use), and I don’t know how far you can actually get in this fight because I flipped tails every single time and lost every clash

let’s talk about the Barber! leave it to Project Moon to look at the character who didn’t have very much of a personality who stuck around with the priest and attempted multiple plans to bring Don Quixote back home so he could become sane again (and burned a bunch of Quixote’s chivalry books, also with the priest), and turned him into an insane vampire woman with big scissors and a shrill cackle who stitches masks onto people’s faces.

interesting choice to have Sancho and Dulcinea both named in a single line and then not acknowledged or mentioned again

Sansón! so based on his story log portrait background being bisexual, the blue name, and him resembling someone in Demian’s group in the Limbus Company PV, I feel confident saying he’s part of Demian’s Group. The spot where his Sign would be is covered by his mask, though, so no one in-universe knows

I think this is why Sinclair was cast in the role of the Knight of the White Moon: he also has the sign, which Sansón (who is the Knight of the White Moon) would be able to see, and even if other sinners have it too, they’re not Demian’s special guy. everyone else, though, seemed to be cast in the most humiliating role possible: horse to be ridden for Gregor, wild animal for Heathcliff, random peasant for Rodya, presumably homeless old person for Outis

ok Sansón. in the book, he’s a young college student who read the first part of Don Quixote and, in part 2, approaches Quixote saying he’s a big fan and encouraging him to go back out and do more knight stuff. However, he actually just thinks Don Quixote’s antics are very amusing and isn’t actually an earnest supporter, and is conspiring with the barber and priest to get Quixote back home to stay. the way they (priest and barber try to bring him home in part 1 is by tricking him with an adventure that’s conveniently in the same direction as their home village, but then they get sidetracked in an inn for a long time so they just put him in a cage and drive him home. in part 2, they want to play on Quixote’s terms for a more effective result. near the beginning of the second part, they have Sansón dress as a knight (called the Knight of Mirrors/Knight of the Forest. these titles have no significance in the book but apparently the mirror thing forces Quixote to see himself as the frail old man he is in Man of La Mancha), say his lady is fairer than Dulcinea to get Don Quixote to duel him, and then make Quixote promise to stay home for a year when he loses. however, Sansón is the one who loses, because he wasn’t expecting Quixote to actually be good at jousting. Later, near the very end, which iirc is 3 months after the first encounter, another knight called the Knight of the White Moon issues the exact same challenge to Don Quixote (it’s just Sansón again, and "White Moon" has no significance in the original book either), but this time Sansón wins, so Don Quixote goes home, dejected, and then becomes “sane” again and dies.

Since this Sansón is part of Demian’s group, I don’t think his intentions will be the same- the Barber was a bloodfiend, and he sees beyond the ambitions of the bloodfiends now- but it’s fun to know how he is in the source nonetheless

I really like how he didn’t show up after the Barber’s defeat to say something cryptic and then leave, he told us quite a bit, and though his methods were… questionable, he DID force the sinners to actually finally pay attention to Don Quixote

speaking of the stage play, I like the juxtaposition between Sansón’s play and the Barber’s. in a different context, what Sansón did might’ve been framed as horrifying, and we’d be talking about how uncanny and unreal this is, but I don’t think that’s the intention here. the sinners might be playing roles, and all the enemies are cardboard cutouts, but it’s better than putting targets on real people (though I guess they’re not “people”, they’re bad, bad, bloodfiends). the cheerful music in La Manchaland is distorted and out of place, while the stage play is nice in comparison. the music for the talking sections is a bit too upbeat for the situation, but the music during the battles really immerses you. guitar! trumpet! maraca! this music is clearly composed to emulate spanish music, and it’s very earnest, which I think is important, with how easily music sets tone in media.

in both cases, Don Quixote is in a delusion. nothing in the stage play of her adventures is real, but she’s also completely wrapped up in the narrative of evil bloodfiends without the knowledge that she is one. a violent nightmare and a peaceful dream, both of which she needs to wake up from.

they both do this thing with black-and-white thinking, too. there’s a difference between the “good” bloodfiends, which you should get along with, and the “bad” ones, which you need to kill (though Don sees them both as bad), and then the bandits in the stage play are cartoonishly evil and love to bully the weak. except it seems the first is the narrative the Barber wanted to sell, while the second is Don Quixote’s reality… I mean, the play is definitely inaccurate, but we’ve seen how Don behaves

if you follow me for kingdom hearts and are for some reason reading this you know how much I love Nobodies in kh. people who used to be human, but aren’t anymore, who look close enough but are different on an intrinsic and physiological level, that everyone automatically treats as unreasonable monsters that need to die when they’re more complicated than that… I love it so much, I’m cheering and clapping whenever bloodfiend morality is brought up. Moses said that Larierre was cordial and offered her a place to sit and talk, but then also said bloodfiends are insatiably hungry and you shouldn’t underestimate them. agh I love it

also THE MUSIIIIIC every fight theme so far has been a banger. songs that were already good but with typical carnival instruments, big brass swing, the aforementioned nice spanish music, and the fucked up and evil sequel to dubstep electroswing featuring evil laughter

and finally, the helm of mambrino. in early part 1 of Don Quixote, he sees a barber (COMPLETELY unrelated barber to the other barber btw) carrying a basin on his head, and thinks it’s the amazing mystical Helm of Mambrino, so he attacks the barber and steals the basin. Don Quixote wears it as a helmet a few times and everyone thinks it looks really stupid. they did not fight a bear for it, nor did they go into a cave. idk what this might actually be in the City. either we’ll see or we won’t

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I really love that they've made rodion be into silly color theory mbti. I think some of the sinners would believe what she says about it too

Yi Sang fully trusts her and not because there's any credit to the color theory and mbti but because one time she guessed something completely correct and he was flabbergasted and couldn't recover from it so he became a believer. Don Quixote believes it and uses her knowledge to often spark conversations on what archetype fit the color fixers the best. Rodion does not indulge in those conversations in front of Vergilius. She got glared at once and she ain't doing it again.

Faust doesn't care. Outis thinks it's a bunch of bs. Sinclair knows a little bit of it because it was popular at school. Gregor is too old for it. Ryoshu's completely disinterested, unless the color type is red. Heathcliff got read by Rodion once and he isn't really a believer, but he's also embarrassed about that and doesn't want it to happen again.

Meursault doesn't care. Dante takes notes about it though, because if it worked with Heathcliff, maybe they could use it with the other sinners! Ishmael thinks it's just a waste of time, but she memorized a few bits of Rodion's rants just so she can tease Heathcliff with it. Hong Lu likes when she uses it to start trouble with the other sinners, but if he wants to, he can shoot her down pretty fast.

Rodion dragged Charon into getting tested for her type once and Charon started avoiding her since then. She often hides behind Vergilius when Rodion approaches her with a notebook, a pencil and a friendly smile.

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LCB Sinner Analysis: The Original Sins

I think the original LCB sinners' sin affinities for their skills are definitely related to them as people. My current theory is that S1 represents a surface level read of their personality, and their S3 is the true sin embedded deeper into themselves.

Gregor: His S1 is gloom, which is how he initially appears to be. He's carrying a lot and it seeps put. But his S3 is sloth. In Limbus Company, sloth seems to be tied in with giving up on taking action and making things better.

Rodya: S1 gluttony, which makes sense considering her want for money and good food. Her S3 is wrath, which was what drove her to axe the old hag who had been exploiting people.

Sinclair: S1 is pride, I guess this is how he comes off rich and privileged to some others. S3 is jealousy which confuses me a little, but I think it's related to the behaviour he exhibited in class that ultimately led to the tragedy.

Yi Sang: S1 is gloom - he's quiet and reserved, but is hinted not to have been. S3 is sloth, which definitely is the sin that fits him the most pre-limbus. He admits himself he simply observed without taking control.

Ishmael: S1 is wrath. She seems annoyed at perceived stupidity and often shows exasperation. S3 is gloom. She's scared of losing people and is hurting, which makes her extremely unstable and difficult for Dante to work with.

Heathcliff: S1 is jealousy. He's jealous on the surface level and is written to have an inferiority complex on his file, but his S3 is lust. He wants to relentlessly pursue something/transform himself, which will most likely hurt him along the way. also maybe hes horny

Don Quixote: S1 is lust. She has lots of things she wants to become and accomplish. S3 is gluttony, which I'm assuming was her wanting too many things that potentially conflicted (maybe her idea of justice involved two things clashing - eg. is it justice to steal when you're desperate? is it justice to stop the thief?).

Hong Lu: S1 is pride, much like Sinclair. His innocent curiosity comes off as arrogant to others. His S3 is lust - I speculate that he really wanted to become something, or change his own self in some way.

Ryoshu: S1 is gluttony. This does confuse me a little, but I'm guessing it's her obvious desire to create/observe Art and beauty. S3 is pride. She perhaps overestimated herself and fucked over someone she cared for

Meursalt: S1 is sloth. Yeah. Sinclair having a panic attack? Well he wasn't told to report on it so. S3 is ... gloom? Oh he must be carrying a lot. I have not read his novel yet so I won't make rash assumptions, but I guess it's something to do with grief.

Outis: S1 is sloth. I'm guessing this is her paper thin veneer of sucking up to Dante and treating his word as absolute, though it's clear it's not sincere. More suprisingly her S3 is gloom. I think this makes a lot more sense after reading her Schutz ID story - she has someone she loves, even at her absolute lowest.

Faust: S1 is pride. Yea. Yeah. yeah. yea. S3 is also gluttony. It's difficult to know much about her, but I'm guessing she really wanted to accomplish something, which would involve a lot of resources and potentially cause a lot of danger due to it.

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Haha oh boy two Limbus text posts with moderate but not negative reception and I’m already going into controversial territory

My picks for distortion detective ids :) … oh boy I’m gonna be put in the singing machine for there but THEY ALL HAVE REASONINGS YOUR HONOUR

Let’s just start with the easy ones

Ezra and Dias : Ezra don/Dias Faust … do I need to explain these ? Well Ezra is very energetic and a big fan of Workshops just like don but exchange workshops with fixers. And Faust and Dias just click … ya dig ?

The one where there isn’t an obvious choice but which will need an explanation

YuRia I believe should be ryoshu, her „interest“ in psychomends mirrors ryoshus „interest“ in „art“ her personality also fits onto ryoshu more than other options (yi sang because smart and an inventor… and that’s about it Faust is already given to dias)

Oh boy this is gonna have people look at me weird

Vespa crabro: now meursault is the obvious pick and one I’d agree with, one small issue tho… I believe SINCLAIR is a better pick in all honesty. Why ? Let’s start superficial, young and a powerhouse (especially when they experience strong emotions).and for the more story aspects. They were forced out of a rather good position in life without any choice. Vespa losing his job and Sinclair losing his family and they both have a bad history with an evil group (we don’t know if Vespa was traumatized by the thumb like Nagel und Hammer traumatized Sinclair but it’s clear he holds distain for the syndicate)

And now for the grand finale the thing I might get hate for

Moses

And no it is NOT outis … stop booing me I’m right „but old woman“ „but smoke war“ well guess what. The person I’m thinking off neutralizes both points and yes ITS GREGOR first the superficial points… Gregor is old too bro is 35 he’s already standing with two feet in his grave and yeah smoke war and stuff… also both Gregor and Moses are missing an arm and they both smoke… now for the story THE BIG THING why I believe Gregor is a better pick. It’s because they resemble each other. Just on different sides of the war. Both were essentially brainwashed by a powerful entity on their side of the war. Hermann the head scientist of g Corp and Dias the cult leader of the Udjat. Both also were the favorite underling of said powerful figure and both Moses and Gregor were put into a leadership position Gregor being the mascot and war hero of g Corp, Moses the captain of the udjat and both now have major ptsd from the war also holding distain for their respective brainwasher. And let’s not forget both have been on record for turning into a creature when in emotional distress

Or in short: Ezra/don Dias/Faust YuRia/ryoshu Vespa/Sinclair Moses/Gregor

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Okay so I looked at passives of Base Sinners trying to understand what their sins mean and suddenly realized that each of them had very specific name. Like their skills mostly just a simple description of attack like "thrust" "chop" or "slash", but their passives have unique names and it kinda looked (to me) as if they are recalling to sinners backstories or cantos like

Gregors' passive is "Forced to Survive" and we know that half of his story based on that desire to stay alive and survival guilt following it.

Rodion has "Split Evil" and it kinda a straightforwardish description of what she thought she was doing when she killed tax-collector.

Sinclair has "Determined" whish this time is less about past and more about his position in III Canto when he wanted to murder Kromer no matter what

Yi San has "Information relay" and this may sound as stretch, but their league propose was about sharing information with each other, and hid main work "Mirror" was made in cooperation. And he was kidnapped to share his knowledge, too

So if I am right, than we can use Sinners personal passive to theorize about their past or thier cantos, which I'm going to try right now

Ishmael has "Last-ditch Struggle" and I think it tells about her Canto where she will do something extremely dangerous to avenge her fallen comrades(trying to kill Moby Dick or Ahab I guess)

Heathcliff has "Ressentiment" whish is definitely tells us about his past, or at least about his emotions about it.

Don Quixote has "Righteous Retribution" and I am not sure what it’s about, but if we consider that theory Sancho!Don is true then maybe her Canto will be about revenge to Doctor Carrasco, who was a person mainly responsible for Don quixote death in book.

Hong Lu has "Entertainment" ...and unfortunately I'm not familiar with Red Chamber to make any theories about him, but I would definitely like to read your ideas

Ryoshu has "Indiscriminate Art" and well...I am pretty sure it's about how she was ready to hurt anyone for her Art. Even her own daughter.

Meursault suddenly also has "Determined" just like Sinclair, which makes me think that in his Canto he will also have to be ready to meet past?

Outis has "Executor" and there is a problem, because there was plenty of times when Odysseus executed someone, but I guess it most likely allusion on handmaidens hanged in the end of Odyssey, because of that official art of her with hanging corpse. Or in her Canto we could find out that her final order is to execute Dante.

Faust has "Analytical Eye" which is kinda too vague for me, and just like in Hong Lu situation I know almost nothing about her book. So if you have ideas, please share.

So yeah, that's my dumb theory. Or a bunch of theories. Hope it was interesting

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Oh noooo

This-- this is troublesome---

1 is probably the most logically sound option here, since Gregor is one of the nicer and more normal sinners, and you get to block him from Hermann. But I personally don't want to smell him smoking. Still, it's the best option, considering the other seats.

2 is also pretty nice. You get to be further from the smoke, but I personally would dislike sitting next to Dongrang while having to hear Sonya and Rodya talk.

3 is honestly kind of the worst, but I would do it if it meant blocking Kromer from viewing Sinclair and vice-versa. Double check for prosthetics tho.

4... 4 is... fine. But if that is Erlking Heathcliff I am NOT going there.

5 is also fine, but it's a middle seat. Between the 2 sinners known to have some... "beef". with each other. I mean it's fine if you like both I guess. But I hate middle seats so I don't think I will pick it.

6 is probably one of the nicest seats. It's an aisle seat. But only if you can handle Outis. (And Dongrang from across (Can you tell I wanna punch that guy?))

7 is actually one of my top choices since I like Don! I would listen to her ramble about fixers! It would be really interesting, really! Well atleast to me... but I'll rethink simply because Ryoshu is smoking behind.

8. No. Just no. Too much smoke. I see Sinclair see Kromer. No. Abso-fucking-lutely not.

Goal: make the worst seating chart possible - Acheived

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What Do you think about the sinners thoughts about Don. She feels like this ball of Energy in a sad world.

Okay that's a good one.

I think Faust knows what exactly wrong with Don and how real Don looks like. She's not really interested in interaction with Don, but has no animosity. (They also must have something really common with them sharing their core sin, two EGOs and two IDs). Don definitely a good listener to anything Faust rambling about. She's also one of a few people whose command Don wouldn't even question and that's why they work good at battlefield together. Her favorite Don's ID is W Corp, because she shows her a lot of respect, but in not a weird way Inquisitor Don does. She also find Inquisitor a bit difficult to control

Yi Sang, Sinclair, Gregor and Rodya are falling to her act, but they don't mind Don and even enjoy her company. They work good together, but nothing too amazing. They all dislike Inquisitor, but get along with everyone else.

Ishmael and Meursault don't understand Don at all. She such a weird creature that their rational selves can't even comprehend her, but genuinely they both too fucking exhausted to even try do it. Meursault, maybe, sometimes make attepts to understand. They not really care about her company, but they learnt how to work with her on a field. They again don't really care about her IDs as long as they get a job done.

Ryoshu knows that something fucking wrong with Don and feels that they are way more similar than someone could guess. She tries a lot to provoke Don, wanting to see her violent snap. That's why Don avoids her as much as possible. But they are roommates and know about each other Bad Days a bit too much, to not have some understanding. I think they could spar a lot in their free time out of the bus, and it would be gruesome. They not really interested in teamwork, so on battlefield, they don't look like they fight together. Her favorite is Shi Don, because she's the easiest to provoke. She doesn't like Cinq, because she mess with Ryoshu instead.

(Also it's kinda funny how my main ships with Ryoshu are Outis and Don. She states that she hates liars and I am just surround her with them)

Hong Lu and Don have Understanding. They see each other lies and politely ignore it. They speak with each, but in a way that causes everyone else headache. Delusions squared. It like sharing a stage with another actor. No true words said, but they understand each other. They are fine in working together. He likes her W Corp version.

Heathcliff is weird. He thinks Don is honest and find her a bit annoying, but he is kind of getting attached a bit? He knows that having such moral code in City is stupid, but he can't help but agree with it. In Wuthering Heights he was surrounded by bad or cowardy people and I think meeting someone who aggressively trying to be a good person is a refreshing experience for him. They work good together. He likes Shi Don, because she cares a lot about him, which he appreciates.

Outis so fucking pissed about Don. She knows that she lying and she hates this persona so much, but she can't do anything about it. Which kinda slowly drives her insane. I kinda think that sometimes she walks to any Sinner and tries to start a talk "Don't you think there is something wrong with her?" Most of them don't understand her and Faust and Ryoshu usually just mess with her. To everyone surprise they work ridiculously good together(because I use them in every team) because Don knows better than keep her persona around Outis in dangerous situation, and gives her best. She liked Cinq one, because she's really professional and gets along with 7Outis

[delusinalandpassionate]

No wait that's so interesting- she still has it on her coat, too! I think something that adds to that is that the impossible dream that Don seems to mention seems to come from Man of La Mancha, where it's Miguel de Cervantes performing Don Quixote

I wonder if our Don is much more based upon the musical than first considered?

Wait I actually saw this theory quite a lot, but I didn't know it was main actor name...

And I guess with "Impossible dream" and narrative and Dante agreeing with Don morals it really can be true

Also if this is the case, Don can be a war veteran just like Outis and Gregor