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The Philosophy of Gender
The philosophy of gender examines the concepts, theories, and issues surrounding gender identity, roles, and equality. It delves into the nature of gender, its social and biological underpinnings, and its impact on individual lives and societal structures. This field of philosophy addresses fundamental questions about what gender is, how it is constructed, and what implications it has for justice and equality.
Key Themes in the Philosophy of Gender
Nature vs. Nurture:
One of the central debates in the philosophy of gender revolves around whether gender is primarily a biological phenomenon (nature) or a social construct (nurture).
Philosophers explore how biology and culture interact to shape gender identities and roles.
Gender Identity:
Gender identity refers to an individual's personal sense of their own gender, which may or may not align with their biological sex.
Philosophical inquiries into gender identity examine how it is formed, experienced, and expressed, and the implications for individuals who do not fit into traditional gender binaries.
Social Construction of Gender:
Many philosophers argue that gender is a socially constructed category, influenced by cultural norms, practices, and institutions.
This perspective highlights how gender roles and expectations vary across different societies and historical periods.
Feminist Philosophy:
Feminist philosophy is a major area within the philosophy of gender, focusing on issues of gender inequality, patriarchy, and women's rights.
Feminist theorists critique traditional philosophical ideas and advocate for greater gender equality and the dismantling of oppressive structures.
Intersectionality:
Intersectionality is a framework that examines how various forms of social stratification, such as race, class, and sexuality, intersect with gender.
This approach emphasizes that gender cannot be understood in isolation but must be considered within the broader context of other social identities and power dynamics.
Transgender and Non-Binary Perspectives:
The experiences and perspectives of transgender and non-binary individuals challenge traditional notions of gender.
Philosophers explore the ethical, social, and political implications of these identities and advocate for greater recognition and rights for trans and non-binary people.
Gender and Language:
Language plays a crucial role in shaping and reflecting gender norms.
Philosophers analyze how language can reinforce gender stereotypes and explore ways to make language more inclusive and representative of diverse gender identities.
Gender and Power:
The relationship between gender and power is a key focus, examining how gender roles and expectations contribute to power dynamics in society.
This includes analyzing how gender influences access to resources, decision-making power, and social status.
Gender and Ethics:
Ethical considerations surrounding gender include debates about gender justice, rights, and equality.
Philosophers explore issues such as reproductive rights, gender-based violence, and the ethics of gender reassignment.
Gender and Representation:
The representation of gender in media, literature, and art shapes societal perceptions and attitudes.
Philosophers critique stereotypical and limiting portrayals of gender and advocate for more diverse and nuanced representations.
The philosophy of gender provides a rich and complex framework for understanding one of the most fundamental aspects of human identity and social life. By exploring the nature, construction, and implications of gender, philosophers seek to uncover the underlying dynamics that shape our experiences and strive for a more just and equitable society.
#philosophy#epistemology#knowledge#learning#chatgpt#education#Gender Identity#Social Construction of Gender#Feminist Philosophy#Intersectionality#Transgender Perspectives#Gender and Language#Gender and Power#Gender Ethics#Gender Representation#Nature vs. Nurture in Gender#gender
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"Shopping for clothes is already intimidating. There are so many options and styles to consider, as well as factors like sustainability and ethics.
But for people in fat, disabled, or queer and gender-nonconforming bodies, itâs even more arduous.
Nico Herzetty, Emma K. Clark, and Paul Herzetty wondered: What if there was a way people could shop â not necessarily by color or size â but by measurements, materials, and ethics?
So they set off to create their website: Phoria.Â
Here, shoppers can set up a free profile, add their body measurements (and âtypical fit challengesâ) and peruse over 270 brands. Once these data points are entered, users can personalize their pages with âsaved,â ârecommended,â or âhiddenâ brands.Â
Pages can be totally private, or shared with the community to connect over styles and brands.
Aside from fit, brands in the Phoria database (which claims to be âthe largest database of plus-friendly brandsâ) can also be filtered as âgender-neutral,â âwoman-run,â âsmall business,â or ânatural fibers.â Users can also filter for price, preferred styles, and more.
Pictured: A screenshot of the "Fit Challenges" feature on a Phoria user's profile.
Some brands include popular names like Athleta, Leviâs, and Patagonia. Others are small businesses, like Beefcake Swimwear, or Hey Peach.
âFor so many people, it feels too damn hard to find and keep clothing that fits in all the ways that really matter. So weâre doing something about it,â the Phoria website reads.
âUnlike most online shopping experiences, we center the needs of plus-size women, nonbinary, and trans people, and prioritize supporting clothing brands focused on sustainability, ethics, and inclusion.â ...
That team â made up of Clark, and Nico and Paul Herzetty â calls themselves âfat, disabled, and very, very queer.âÂ
âThese are some of the main ways we identify, and theyâre qualities that have directly impacted our ability to get dressed every day in a way that feels good,â the Phoria team introduces themselves on the website.
Pictured: A screenshot of Phoria's plus-size clothing brand database.
In addition to catering the user experience to women, non-binary, and trans people, Phoria is also a benefit corporation, or a B corp.
âWeâve legally required ourselves to consider the interests of all our stakeholders â customers, employees, the planet, and our shareholders,â the Phoria website explains.
âOur specific public benefit purpose is to reduce peopleâs dependence on buying mass-produced items made in unsustainable ways and to use human-centered business models to boldly challenge economic systems of inequity.âÂ
Right now, in the early stages of the companyâs business, it doesnât make any money.
âWeâre focused on building something that genuinely solves plus-size peopleâs challenges around clothes shopping and supports smaller and more sustainable brands,â Phoriaâs website states.
So, spreading the word seems to be of utmost importance...
Additionally, TikTok creators @couplagoofs (a queer couple named Morgan and Phoebe), recently shared a video in which they discovered Phoria. They met the websiteâs creators at a fat liberation event in their city and were introduced to the tool.
Quickly, commenters responded with gratitude and excitement.
âIt is so disappointing to sort through pages of plus size clothes that arenât even plus size,â a TikTok user commented. âThis is gonna be such a good tool!âÂ
Some even shared emotional responses, speaking to the need at the heart of Phoriaâs mission.Â
âIâm⌠gonna cry,â another commenter wrote. âIâve needed this my whole life.â"
-via Goodgoodgood, November 20, 2023
#clothing#plus size#size inclusive fashion#body positive#fashion#slow fashion#style#gender affirming#trans inclusive#gender euphoria#disabled#lgbtq#gender nonconforming#small business#ethical fashion#ethical business#fatshion#fat positive#body positvity
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New publication with my best title yet! Using CRISPR gene editing as an anchor, I offer reflections on high-tech conversion practices, high-tech medical transition, and the ethics of hype.
Link to the paper here.
Link to an audio version here.
#lgbtq#queer#transgender#lgbtqia#trans#lesbian#lgbt#gay#gene editing#gender affirming care#gender affirming healthcare#medical transition#hrt#crispr#conversion practices#transphobia#science#bioethics#medical ethics
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The forest floor was soft. The morning air and dew cool against your knees, the palms of your hands were laid flat on the ground. The scrolls youâd brought per Master Halsinâs instructions were discarded elsewhere, as was the bottom half of your Druid attire.
Master Halsin had always been so generous, even now as he was barely held together, resisting the urge to push your head to the ground and fuck you until Sylvanuus could hear it. Such moments were reserved for study periods, when you needed to learn focus.
Youâre brought back to the present as your hands slip along the grass and your head falls, Master Halsin chuckles softly, keeping a hold of your hips. He slows his thrusts, cock still nestled comfortably inside you, âAre you alright, sprout?â He chuckles.
You groan softly, clutching the grass beneath you, âYâyes Master Halsin,â you replied.
Master Halsin leans closer, his body over yours, he places a hand over one of yours and squeezes it gently, âGood, wouldnât want you to lose focus during your reward.â
#halsin x male reader#halsin x reader#you gotta commune with nature sometimes đ#archdruid halsin who has a favorite student druid he dotes on and is super invested in a totally normal way#halsin x gender neutral reader#somewhere out there a book of ethics is being written to smack me on the head with however Halsin is a snack and I am starving đ¤¤
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Pronoun pins by Rising Violet Press
#she/her#he/him#they/she#they/he#she/they#he/they#they/them#they/she/he#he/she#pronouns#enby#nonbinary#gender fluid#gender queer#lgbt owned business#queer owned business#pins#brooches#lgbt#lgbtq#lgbtqia#pride#ethical fashion#small business#genderqueer#genderfluid#multigender#gender nonconforming#bigender#transgender
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oh the tragedy of a podcast character with a daughter..............
#m#audio drama#malevolent#fathom/derelict#wolf 359#ethics town#probably more that im forgetting/haven't heard yet#many such cases...#i was gonna say podcast girldad bc the phrasing is funny. but then i would be excluding my girl eva graff of fathom/derelict fame#and i could not do that to her#anyway. now that im actually listing them there is a really interesting pattern#of âsomething terrible happened to my daughter and i feel/am (at least partially) responsible for it.â#âi can never take it back but by god ill regret it for the rest of my miserable lifeâ#doesn't apply exactly to all of these .but very interesting.#esp bc sm of it is father/daughter theres probably some gender dynamics stuff at play that i could think abt if i was smarter#and also not at 1am#ok actually gojng to bed now. for like the third time.ijust had to get that out#this is all part of my dastardly and clever plot to get more people into derelict + ethics town btw.let me know if its working
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âKill them with kindnessâ
WRONG. TRANSGENDER BEAM!!!! đłď¸ââ§ď¸đłď¸ââ§ď¸â§ď¸đłď¸âđđĽđĽâ§ď¸đłď¸âđđłď¸ââ§ď¸đĽâ§ď¸đĽâ§ď¸đłď¸ââ§ď¸đłď¸âđđłď¸ââ§ď¸đłď¸âđâ§ď¸đĽđłď¸ââ§ď¸đłď¸âđđłď¸âđđłď¸ââ§ď¸đłď¸ââ§ď¸đĽđłď¸ââ§ď¸đłď¸ââ§ď¸đłď¸âđđłď¸ââ§ď¸đĽđłď¸ââ§ď¸đłď¸âđđłď¸âđđłď¸ââ§ď¸đłď¸âđđłď¸ââ§ď¸đĽđłď¸ââ§ď¸đłď¸ââ§ď¸
#a hat in time#ahit badge seller#badge seller#Ahit#the badge seller#The Badge sellers va turning me into a boy with his gorgeous fucking voice:#Fuck you Mick lauer you turned me into a man#Fellas is it ethical to hate on Mick lauer BC his voice is so pretty it transed my gender?#Was tempted to do this with the projectile badge instead but yk#I love how the badge abilities range from magnet to no fall damage to BAZOOKA
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Somavin | Somas
Somavin is a term for those outside of animal or human terminology which describes alien, incomprehensible, mythical and chimeric beings.
Whether one is physically, spiritually, a mix, or simply born from somavinity, the identity inherently includes:
nonhumans
alterhumans
holotheres
endels
transspecies
altrfauna
IRLs
zoanthropes and shifters
somavin headmates
Is to be used in place of human or animal when speaking about a somavin.
"the somas are kind when you respect them," and "a somavin is usually just like you and me, some may be fictional characters or mythical creatures."
@radiomogai @beyond-mogai-pride-flags
#physically nonhuman#physical therian#physical shifter#physical shifting community#holothere#alterhuman#mogai#liom#otherkin#therian#stealing from radqueers is ethical#stealing from radqueers#fuck radqueers#mogai term#coining terms#umbrella terms#term#term coining#mogai coining#flag coining#gender coining#liom coining#xeno coining#nonhuman#physical nonhuman#otherkinity#therianthropy#queer
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Out: Puritan and Quaker America
In: America lived with the Shakers because they saw him as just another sad little abandoned orphan and with their interpretation of God leaning more mystical they weren't freaked out by him not aging normally
#but honestly the Shakers are (where) a super interesting group of people#progressive in terms of gender and racial equality+ had a work ethic that was like yeah you had to work but you should also make art#and invent things to make your like and the life of others easier#and other religious groups HATED them for that like it was viewed as being super whacky and unchristian#from a academic perspective I have to wonder how many Shakers were gay/lesbian/asexual+ and they just didnt have a term for not wanting#heterosexual marriage in early 1700s England so they just sorta did their best to create their own community in the environment#they already had available to them#I also really like this for Nyo America due to how I think it would have impacted her mentality about being a leader#hws america#aph america#nyo america#hetalia america#hetalia#historical hetalia#alfred f jones#amelia jones
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the phrase "girls girl" is sexism evolved and created in fear of being labeled as misandry and/or the south's fear of being labeled of a leftist, liberal, or feminist.
I am all for being a girls girl, but men arenât required to like all men. Women now are required to like all women and everything about them. We must like someoneâs music just because a woman made it. They canât be competitive and trash talk like men because thatâs not being inclusive for all women. We canât talk about how we dislike a certain style, god forbid we hate a certain style; god forbid we say we hate something a woman is a part of.
women can take the same amount of criticism a man gets. BUT. Women shouldnât be criticized just for being a woman. They shouldnât be harmed, discriminated, hated just for BEING a woman.
I hate this new âgirls girlâ culture. I hate how people criticize Taylor Swift (womp womp) for being competitive on the charts and calling her ânot a girls girlâ simply for doing what a man would do with other men.
men donât have to be a âboys boyâ or whatever. Why?
Even in âfeminist cultureâ we see harmful things.
donât just say youâre a girls girl to gentrify and make yourself less scary to men. Say youâre a feminist. Criticize women. Advocate on your own life that every woman, even the ones you criticize are safe and treated as equal.
We are now held to the same standard we were in 1950 to always be pleasant and never to hate anyone. But it's been re-branded to being a girls girl.
But it's so entertaining when we are, isn't it? That's something we may never escape no matter what we do.
Be someone who fights for women. Be someone who believes all women are equal and all deserve to live life as freely as men. But you do not have to like every woman, just as you come prepared in mind that you may not be liked.
All that is truly important is that we don't put down other women to intentionally HURT them. There is a line between simply not liking a woman and putting them down intentionally.
AND WHILE I'M ON THE SUBJECT, I am also tired of this "pick-me" shit that's been going around. Blatant sexism that comes stems from the expectation of how women should act. You have no cause to call a woman a pick me just for mentioning that she likes video games, or may just get along better with boys- it depends on how she treats about women. That is all that matters!
And yes- you get to not like her. Because? We're human too.
Writing this very essay has made me feel inhuman. We need a guide on how to be morally right because we keep having to put up with how society wants us to be. We should be girls girls, but we also need to entertain by getting pulled into rivalries intentionally for the sake of.
If you skipped everything I said, this is the only thing you need to worry about. TREAT EVERYONE AS EQUAL AND HAVING SUCH EQUALITY TO EXERCISE AN INHERENT LIKE TO OUR OWN FUCKING FEELINGS TOWARD PEOPLE. TREAT EVERYONE AS EQUAL; AS YOU WOULD NOT CARE FOR ONE TO DISLIKE YOU, BUT WOULD CARE VERY MUCH IF THEY ALLOWED YOU TO BE HARMED, EMOTIONALLY OR PHYSICALLY. BUT- HATING OR DISLIKING SOMEONE FOR A QUALITY THEY WERE BORN WITH CANNOT BE JUSTIFIED BY ANY FORM; UNLESS SAID QUALITY HARMS OTHERS.
THAT IS FEMINISM. LIBERATE YOURSELF FROM THE NARRATIVE AND GO FREELY.
#writers on tumblr#female writers#writing#my writing#writeblr#on writing#feminism#liberal feminism#sexism#fuck the patriarchy#girl's girl#smash the patriarchy#fuck trump#personal essay#essay#in this essay i will#food for thought#gender roles#democratic party#leftists#leftism#liberals#morality#ethics#philosophy#ideology#morals#women#womanhood#girls supporting girls
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Nothing is wrong with you.
Nothing is wrong with me.
Nothing is wrong with us.
#love#reassurance#reminder#lgbt#lgbtqia#nonbinary#trans#mixed race#human#human things#gay#pansexual#polyamorous#nonmonogamy#ethical non monogamy#lesbian#sapphic#gender fluid#multigender#adhd#autism#neurodivergent#actually autistic#actually adhd
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Transcript Episode 93: How nonbinary and binary people talk - Interview with Jacq Jones
This is a transcript for Lingthusiasm episode 'How nonbinary and binary people talk - Interview with Jacq Jones'. Itâs been lightly edited for readability. Listen to the episode here or wherever you get your podcasts. Links to studies mentioned and further reading can be found on the episode show notes page.
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Gretchen: Welcome to Lingthusiasm, a podcast thatâs enthusiastic about linguistics! Iâm Gretchen McCulloch. Today, weâre getting enthusiastic about nonbinary speech with Dr. Jacq Jones. Theyâre a lecturer at Te Kunenga ki PĹŤrehuroa / Massey University in Auckland, New Zealand. But first, our most recent bonus episode was about various kinds of fun mishearings and missayings and misparsings that people make in songs, in phrases, in idioms â all sorts of, like, you know when you hear âan acorn,â and you think it might actually be âan egg-cornâ because itâs like the egg of the tree? Well, we talk about what strange things that you mishear, or misparse, can tell us about how language works. Go to patreon.com/lingthusiasm to listen to this bonus episode, many more bonus episodes, and help us keep the show running.
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Gretchen: Hello Jacq!
Jacq: Hi Gretchen!
Gretchen: Thanks for coming on the podcast.
Jacq: Thanks for inviting me. Itâs awesome.
Gretchen: Before we get into all of the cool research that youâve done about how nonbinary people talk that youâre working on, letâs talk a little bit about your origin story. How did you get into linguistics?
Jacq: Okay, well, I mean, how far back do you wanna go, I guess? I was a high school dropout. I was in my teens. I was going around North America, in Canada and the United States, working and this and that. I decided I wanted to go back to school. I did get into an adult education programme and finished up my high school. It was in a really small town in rural Alberta. It had a community college, and they didnât have that many classes. I went into geography.
Gretchen: Thatâs super related to linguistics.
Jacq: Youâd be surprised.
Gretchen: Great.
Jacq: Yeah, because I had spent time in the southern United States and in Alberta and in Ontario and things, and so I liked seeing all the different places. I went into geography. For people who donât know, geography has these two big branches. Thereâs physical geography and human geography. Physical geography is rocks and trees and mountains and weather, and human geography is how people affect the world and how the world affects people.
Gretchen: So, like cities and stuff.
Jacq: Yeah, right. So, I was sitting in a class, and we were talking about how goods move across borders and how a lot of human influences â including language and political borders â can affect the movement of goods and, alternatively, how languages can be stopped by things like mountains.
Gretchen: Oh! Okay.
Jacq: Youâll have dialects that wonât go over the top of a mountain because you have this physical barrier. I was like, âThatâs amazing.â Somehow, something about this interaction between this natural world and something like language, which is very, sort of, in your heads â but of course, youâre not gonna walk up a mountain to go talk to the person on the other side.
Gretchen: I live in Montreal, which doesnât even really have a mountain by proper mountain-people standards, and I donât wanna walk up that mountain just to talk to someone at the top. I totally understand that prehistoric people also did not wanna do this.
Jacq: Exactly. People, you know, live along rivers, so you have languages and language change and language contact all along these natural systems. That was the bug.
Gretchen: Thatâs fascinating. Thatâs so cool.
Jacq: And then I went from this community college â this adult education programme â to university, took a linguistics class, and as they say, that was it. Fell in love with phonetics and acoustics and all the meaty bits inside of you that create language. And here we are.
Gretchen: You do sounds â phonetics, how people talk â and specifically, I first encountered your research when I was in New Zealand last year at the New Zealand Linguistic Society Annual Meeting in Dunedin. You were giving a talk about your dissertation on how nonbinary people talk. How did you get into that topic?
Jacq: Sure. I think for most linguists, if you can press them, for most people in academia, what youâre into â thereâs always something personal in it. Thereâs always something in what youâre doing. As a nonbinary person, navigating the 2010s â the late 2010s â trying to navigate what âgenderâ means, I kept catching myself really interrogating, really thinking about how I interact with people around me and what assumptions theyâre going to put on me, what assumptions Iâm putting on myself. You know, Iâm getting on the bus, how low do I wanna talk to the bus driver? Just really silly stuff like that.
Gretchen: Like, are they gonna âsirâ or âmaâamâ me to show how theyâre parsing my gender?
Jacq: Exactly. And do I want either of those options? Not really.
Gretchen: Which are both wrong.
Jacq: But if I can barely figure out what being nonbinary means to me as a nonbinary person, how can I expect the, you know, 60-year-old parent that Iâm talking to, or a random person at the coffee shop Iâm talking to, to understand all these backflips that Iâm trying to do in presenting my gender? I mean, Iâm into phonetics. Iâm into acoustics. Iâve always been interested, linguistically, in this space between âThis is how people talk because they are from Canada,â âThis is how people talk because theyâre a womanâ â or because theyâre a certain socio-economic class, or this â versus âThis is how a jock or a burnout talks,â âThis is how somebody asserts their identity.â When youâre looking at gender, thatâs really this difference between a lot of stuff that weâre taught growing up and a lot of stuff that people might argue is inherent â a lot of stuff that is constrained by physiology, in some ways, by your existence in a meat suit â but you still always have control over it. Thatâs where this is. Part of it is being nonbinary and wanting that legitimacy of examining the numbers and proving that I exist, and nonbinary people exist, which are not represented historically. Thatâs changing now. And so, wanting that studying me and people like me to show âHey, we exist. This is a thing that we can measure. This is a thing that we can look at,â and studying why, and yeah.
Gretchen: If you study all the other nonbinary speakers, then theyâll just tell how you need to talk now. So, thatâll be really handy.
Jacq: I mean, thatâs part of it, too, right, is something thatâs really exciting about studying nonbinary people during my dissertation â and I think that this is very much changing for the better, and Iâm so happy that there are so many more options for young people in terms of gender and for old people in terms of gender and for anybody in terms of gender, but at the time, it really felt like all the templates that were out there were very binary â all the methodologies for studying speech, all of variation studies, everything, was, âThis is how men talk,â âThis is how women talk,â âThis is how youâre supposed to talk if youâre a man or a woman,â or you want to present yourself â it was all binary.
Gretchen: I remember even when I was just being trained at grad school, everything was very binary. People werenât even really questioning that. Even 10 years later, it seems like thereâs been a lot more people thinking that through.
Jacq: Exactly. That is so amazing. From the point of view â putting on the researcher hat â studying it at the point where the speakers are making these first decisions without any templates â without a YouTube person to look at to model this kind of language on â felt really exciting.
Gretchen: And then somebody else whoâs doing this study in another 10 years or 20 years or something when possibly nonbinary identity may have coalesced a bit more, then they have this to compare to as a baseline to see â itâs not often we get to watch a new gender evolve in real time. I mean, thatâs not quite true because non-cis people have always existed, but the coherent, legible, nonbinary category, we get to watch it evolve in real time.
Jacq: Exactly. Traditionally, in these linguistic studies of dialect formation, thatâs the 10-dollar word. Youâre looking at something thatâs very geographically bound. You have a group of people from one dialect that are moving to another place for another dialect. You have this contact, and you can study things coming out of that. But for nonbinary gender, even now, I can say, âAw, thereâs so many more nonbinary people out there.â I mean, realistically, if we think about our own networks, we do not have â I mean, I guess I canât say this about everybody â but most of us donât have a huge amount of nonbinary people in it compared to how many other LGBT people or how many other men or women â there just arenât that many nonbinary people. We do tend to find each other, but we donât have these big communities.
Gretchen: Thereâs a certain clustering, but itâs also not absolute, and thereâs lots of other stuff. Do you feel like the internet has an influence on how nonbinary people talk?
Jacq: I think it does in the sense that the internet â and in particular, that kind of American sphere of the internet â influences everything that everybody does all of the time in some ways. But I also think that gender â sex and gender, in particular â these core identity things interact so strongly with where we are and our immediate context that itâs not quite as â in terms of speech, I donât think itâs quite as strong. I did have one participant â if I can talk about my dissertation a little bit.
Gretchen: Oh, yeah, please, no, tell us about how the nonbinary people talk.
Jacq: One of my participants, Istus, is nonbinary and very femme. One of the things I talked about at that conference talk that you saw me â the slides are on my website, if you wanna take a look.
Gretchen: Excellent, we can link to those.
Jacq: Sweet. Istus is nonbinary and also very femme. This is something that really challenges the stereotypes that we have. Even me as a researcher coming into this had this idea of you have these men and women, and then you have these nonbinary people that are challenging these stereotypes, but ânonbinaryâ is not necessarily ânon-femme.â So, Istusâs femininity was very nonbinary. When she talked about trying to construct her voice, this femininity that she wanted to get across, she would talk about putting on, basically, a Californian accent. She would say, âI can talk like this, and I sound very feminine, but I also sound like Iâm smiling all the time, and Iâm not that nice a person.â
Gretchen: Is Istus a New Zealander? Because youâre doing your PhD in New Zealand.
Jacq: All of my participants were from Christchurch (Ĺtautahi), New Zealand. They were mostly between the ages of 18 and 22 â so this really specific first year of university cohort where youâre learning your identity and really stretching out from under your parentsâ wings for the first time. I also had a couple of participants that were over 40. Thatâs interesting because it also challenges our stereotypes of gender as this static thing that youâre a man or a woman. When we look at how language can change over time, we donât always think about how the people that are speaking can change over time.
Gretchen: A lot of the most visible nonbinary people are younger, but thereâre also older people who are saying, âOh, these young people have described a word for this thing that Iâve felt my whole life, and actually, Iâm also this identity, and now thereâs a word for it.â
Jacq: Absolutely. I mean, being a 45-year-old nonbinary person, you donât necessarily want to speak like a 20-year-old nonbinary person, right.
Gretchen: Totally.
Jacq: If 20-year-old nonbinary people are trying to navigate what sex and gender is, if youâre 40, thereâs that much more history of trying to figure all of this out.
Gretchen: Absolutely. Going back to Istus, who is the subject of the talk that you gave at the New Zealand Linguistic Society, one of the things that struck me about this talk when you were doing it is that you had participants take selfies of what they wearing at the same points as they were doing recordings. They did a bunch of recordings with different people in different environments, so you could see how they changed how they talked in relation to both what theyâre wearing and also who theyâre talking to.
Jacq: Absolutely. Because I think all of us have this experience of thinking about how weâre perceived by somebody else. That perception, for many of us, isnât limited to just our voices. We donât exist as a voice that wanders around in the ether.
Gretchen: We are not disembodied voices. We are meat suits wearing clothing suits.
Jacq: Yes. Which is super frustrating for many people, too. I call these recordings âin the wildâ because I had this idea of David Attenborough following â âAnd here, he encounters the cis person.â But yeah, knowing that how we choose to present ourselves in that way is gonna change the way that we talk. This is pretty established. Also, the person that weâre talking to is gonna change the way that we talk. If youâre talking to your parent, youâre gonna talk to them differently than if youâre talking to your boss. We know this. But I was particularly interested in the way that these gendered relationships are navigated for nonbinary people.
Gretchen: Do you have an example of how some of your participants talked differently with different people?
Jacq: One example is Istus would play with makeup in really interesting ways. When I had the participants come, they would show me their selfies of these recordings, and Iâd say, âDescribe this outfit to me,â so I could see what they found really important because what you choose to wear has a lot more different â like, you know what is significant to what youâre wearing versus you donât know if Iâm wearing my lucky socks. That kind of thing.
Gretchen: Yeah, I dunno if your socks are lucky. I dunno if this is, like, the same shirt Iâve been wearing for three days which gives it a different valance to me compared to âOh, yeah, this is my favourite shirt that I never wear, and I only wear on special occasions.â
Jacq: Istus didnât have this in a picture, but she described her âstealth outfit,â which was every aspect of the outfit presented very masculine â sort of a suit jacket and loafers and this kind of thing. But every minute aspect of the clothing was actually feminine. The buttons were on â I canât remember what side buttons are supposed to be on â but the buttons were on â
Gretchen: Neither can I.
Jacq: â the buttons were on â
Gretchen: The feminine side.
Jacq: Yeah, and the shoes were from the womenâs section. There was this whole stealth coding that Istus was doing for herself â not for other people unless theyâre cued in.
Gretchen: If she needs to go about as someone who doesnât want her gender remarked on that particular day.
Jacq: Yeah, then she can choose where that gets presented. She would also wear different kinds of makeup. She would describe it as âenough eyeshadow so you canât see the bags under my eyesâ was one of her quotes.
Gretchen: Love it.
Jacq: The other quote was âmakeup for the sake of wearing makeupâ versus makeup that you would wear sort of a more natural face. Youâll forgive me if I get any of this wrong. I am not a makeup person. It was interesting because the â in her voice â the feminine cues that she used would change based on how overt her makeup was.
Gretchen: This is something that stood out to me about your talk, the makeup thing, because Iâm very femme, Iâm very cis. To me, I want all of my gender vectors or all of my gender points in the femme tally. But what Istus did in this thing was, if she was wearing makeup, she would do less femme gender vocal cues, like sheâs counterbalancing the gender points, and as long as you have enough in the femme category and enough in the masc category, then it balanced in her head for whatever her personal definition of âbalancedâ is, which isnât how I approach gender but is a really interesting thing that I learned from your talk.
Jacq: Aw, thank you. Iâm glad that you found it interesting. Yes, Istus â and this is a theme throughout all of the participants. I should say that I also interviewed binary participants â men and women â and there were certain themes there, too. I donât want to leave them all the way out.
Gretchen: Totally. You gotta have a control group.
Jacq: Yeah. But for the nonbinary participants, there was this â in my dissertation, I called it âincongruenceâ â but this idea that if you want to create some kind of mixed signal or if you wanna create something that isnât quite in the two boxes that the people who are listening to you maybe have, then you can either take cues from both, or you can try to find some kind of middle ground. Those are two quite different things. Something very overtly feminine in your physical presentation combined with something a little bit less feminine or more masculine in maybe your vocal presentation, that can still get to something that isnât binary in a way different than being very neutral-sort-of-middle-ground is.
Gretchen: The neutral-middle-ground is like, âIâm just gonna wear a hoodie and jeans because every gender can wear a hoodie and jeans, and then nobody will be able to perceive me as any gender at all,â whereas in a clothing way, doing something that has mixed signals would be like, âOkay, Iâm gonna have a beard and also this super sparkly eyeshadowâ or something like that.
Jacq: Yeah, yeah, absolutely. And that wasnât quite where any of my particular participants went. But the idea that if you only have these two options, and you need to create a third option, there isnât only one way to do a third option. There isnât only one way to be nonbinary. A lot of how you do that, I found in my dissertation, is based on your own personality, which is like, âOh, surprise, people have agency in how they talk,â and some people donât like wearing super sparkly eyeshadow.
Gretchen: Totally. But also, sometimes you need to do the academic version of establishing that baseline because you could say, âWell, based on my friends, a lot of them which are nonbinary, people seem to do these strategies,â but having written it down in this academically legible place and gone through and done it with some statistics or something lets you say, âOkay, hereâs what we have in terms of what we know now and maybe this would change in another decade if there becomes a more socially legible category of nonbinary-ness.â
Jacq: And I think, also, part of including binary participants in this work is to bring nonbinary people into both an academic conversation thatâs already happening, which is, again, that sort of talk of legitimacy and saying, âHereâs an established body of work,â and bringing a ânew populationâ â Iâm making finger quotes; theyâre not actually new â but bringing a different population â an âunderstudiedâ population, letâs say â into the fold, at the same time, that allows you to interrogate whatâs already there. We have this whole body of literature that ignores that nonbinary people exist â
Gretchen: But that also doesnât ask cis people or people that weâre presuming are cis, âHow did you know that youâre cis? How do you know your gender? What are you doing to signal your gender with your voice? And how much of that are you doing deliberately?â
Jacq: I think that thatâs really valuable, too, the idea that â I mean, thereâs nothing that says a cis person isnât allowed to think about masculinity, or how they present masculinity, or how they present femininity, or what that means. I mean, personally, I think it would be really useful if more cis people did that. If more people just thought about gender in ways that werenât binary, talking to the binary men and women in my study, I was a little bit surprised, but it was amazing to see â I mean, some people never thought about it. Thereâs questions about âHow do you feel about being a woman?â or being a man, and people said, âI dunno. I never thought about it. It just felt right.â But not everybody. Some of the participants that I spoke to did deeply interrogate their gender at some point in their lives. One of my cis male participants talked about thinking that maybe they were trans for a while and then realising they werenât. I think the fact that we, as people â and also, we as linguists doing these studies on language â can interrogate even binary gender from these perspectives is really valuable.
Gretchen: This was something that came up in a recent episode that we did about the vowel space and how gender affects the vowel space, which we can link to. One of things that I find neat about that research is that even kids who havenât gone through puberty yet who still have all identical vowel spaces or vowel spaces with as much variation as they have in heights but nothing specifically affected by the physical changes of puberty are still doing social genders and actually have different vowels based on the genders in their heads even though their bodies arenât affecting what sounds they can produce yet.
Jacq: That works the other direction, too. We often think of puberty as this thing where a bunch of stuff happens to you, and then you pop out the other end like, talking and looking like â
Gretchen: A gender, now.
Jacq: A gender. You are this. But thatâs not â I mean, the variation that almost any given human can produce is so much wider than the constraints of physiology. Iâm not the only person to look at this. I know that Viktoria Papp has done really excellent work with transmasc people. Lal Zimman also works with transmasc populations a lot, too. You can take testosterone, and it can thicken your vocal folds, and it can create a drop in pitch, but thatâs not what it means to talk like a man if youâre transmasc. Thatâs not the end of it. At the risk of summing up someone elseâs research in two sentences, what you tend to see, I think, in Vietzeâs work is a drop, an initial drop, from testosterone, and then it kind of pops back up again with the idea that, as people become more comfortable in their bodies and in their lives and in their situations, thereâs less pressure to perform some stereotypical masculinity and more to just be the person they are, the transmasc person they are, or the nonbinary person they are.
Gretchen: That sounds neat. We can link to that study so that if people want to hear more than the two-sentence summary version, they can follow up on that.
Jacq: And Lal Zimmanâs work is amazing. Every single thing that Lal has written is fantastic, too.
Gretchen: Yes. Everyoneâs in the Lal Zimman fan club. So, you have a corpus, which is delightfully called, I think, âThe RAINBO Corpus.â
Jacq: Yeah, âRecorded Audio-visual Interviews with nonbinary and Binary Orators. Itâs âRAINBOâ without a W.
Gretchen: Oh, and it spells âRAINBOâ â thatâs so good!
Jacq: For the sake of the acronym.
Gretchen: Thatâs such a beautiful acronym. You have six nonbinary participants in there, and six binary participants, and they held this speech that you looked at the pitch of it, and youâve looked at how they do their vowels and things. You also have a talk and a paper, I think, youâre working on thatâs co-authored with one of those research participants who then de-anonymised themself from the previous anonymous corpus work that they were in.
Jacq: Yeah.
Gretchen: I find this really interesting because thereâs this interesting balancing act in academic between, âOh, Iâve got a research participant. Theyâve got sensitive data. Iâm going to preserve their anonymity,â and also, sometimes when people are telling us really interesting things about their lives or their language choices or their identities, giving them credit for that intellectual contribution to the work which names them â yeah, can you talk about this balancing act about participant and researcher collaboration?
Jacq: Absolutely. I would love to. Iâve been thinking about it a lot. I donât want to portray myself as an expert. There is a whole other body of work where your collaborators, your language consultants, work very closely with the researcher, but thatâs not always the same methodology as the bigger picture, what we call âvariationist,â studies where weâre trying to look at large groups of people and how they speak. Kaspar is the name of the person that I worked with. And I got their permission before this episode â I asked them how they wanted to be referred, and they said, âOkay.â Weâll call them Kaspar, which is great because thatâs their name, so itâs super easy for me to remember.
Gretchen: But they also had a pseudonym in the study originally.
Jacq: Yeah. In the study, if you read my dissertation â which you donât have to, but if you do â in the study, they were called âAlex.â
Gretchen: Dissertations are notably very long and, often, in the years after a dissertation comes out, people will write some shorter papers that summarise small bits of the dissertation. Keep an eye on Jacq and their website. Maybe thereâll be shorter versions. But if you really wanna read the whole dissertation or skim through it and pick out the bits that look interesting to you, we will link to it.
Jacq: I had set up, for my dissertation, you know, as a â I think thereâs something else. Dissertations are a long work, and youâre learning as you go. Thatâs the point. When youâre planning these ethics and all of the things in planning this dissertation, you go through the process that has already been established. I did that. Itâs fine. Kaspar came and was recorded. It ended up, as it happens, after I had done my data collection, Christchurch is not a huge place. Kaspar and I were in the same social circles, and we became friends after the data collection. Every once in a while, we would talk about the work that I was doing and stuff I was studying because they were super interested. They have a background in mathematics, and theyâre familiar with linguistics, so itâs not like they knew nothing about linguistics.
Gretchen: So, when you were showing them some pretty graphs, they were like, âOh, cool, graphs. I like those.â
Jacq: Yeah. And then I canât remember if I asked them or they offered to do some proofreading before I had submitted it, and I sent them a draft. I got it back, and there were smiley faces and frowny faces on a lot of stuff. Then because weâre friends, we went and hung out and talked about it, and thereâs something different. Youâre participating in research. Youâre getting recorded. And then research comes out. You know that youâre maybe nonbinary. Youâre this population. And then you see yourself on a graph that plots your pitch somewhere, and you know what the stereotypes about feminine pitch and masculine pitch are. I mean, I did a bad thing in that sense. I hurt somebody, right, in not earth-shattering ways, I donât think â or at least Kaspar didnât tell me it was earth-shattering.
Gretchen: But in frowny face ways, yeah.
Jacq: And we share this perspective of the importance of examining new populations using established methodology and these traditional ways of doing things to grant â whatever you wanna call it â some kind of legitimacy from the academy â or however we wanna navigate this â but then this is still real people that are given little dots or little diamonds and plopped on a graph. I can say in 300 words how this isnât meant to tell people how gendered they are; this is meant to examine nonbinary people and compare them on equal footing with binary populations, but of course, nonbinary people donât come to the table with no baggage, with nothing behind them. You come, and you come with a gendered upbringing, a gendered â you exist in a world, right. You canât just not.
Gretchen: Totally.
Jacq: That was really hard. We had a lot of conversations about that through the course of proofreading a dissertation and submitting it and trying to get to a point. And I didnât have â because of the way that the ethics works â I couldnât contact every other participant afterward and get the same insights and things. But itâs not all bad. Kaspar expressed to me how interesting it was and how amazing it was to see their plots there and the joy of seeing themself not in the ASAB cohort that they expected versus the sadness when they came a little bit too close or that kind of thing. We gave a talk about this and, hopefully, a paper that examines that a little bit more. The other benefit is that, now I have a collaborator and a co-author, it means that we can do a lot more really interesting stuff with data.
Gretchen: Well, and if they know all this math, you can do such cool math.
Jacq: And we can track them over time, and we can do new recordings and even stuff about how these interviews with people, or these recordings, are still a snapshot in time. Things arenât static. People change, and peopleâs interpretations of themselves are reinvented constantly. Iâm really excited. Watch for that paper.
Gretchen: That sounds really cool and really exciting. We will look forward to the Jacq-Kaspar collaboration, Kaspar-Jacq collaboration. You can keep swapping your names for who goes first if you do a whole bunch of different co-authorships like people do.
Jacq: It made me glad that I wasnât recording myself.
Gretchen: Were you sometimes interviewing or the interlocutor?
Jacq: Yeah. We did these âin the wildâ recordings, and then we had the traditional sociolinguistic interview with all of these questions. We recorded me at first thinking there might be accommodation stuff, but then itâs also just like, I canât transcribe, like, 400 million hours of â
Gretchen: So, âlinguistic accommodationâ is the thing where, when youâre talking with someone, especially if you like them or youâre trying to get along with them, you talk more like the person youâre talking to, which happens to lots of people lots of the time. I certainly do it. And you were thinking, well, maybe if people are talking more like you when theyâre talking with you, then that might shift things, but also, you end up with a lot of data.
Jacq: Yeah, thatâs true. It ended up doing a little bit of spot checking. It didnât seem quite there because of these outsider-insider relationships of I am Canadian sitting in New Zealand interviewing people. There was enough of a gulf that it didnât seem â
Gretchen: They didnât all start sounding Canadian when you were interviewing them. Iâm shocked.
Jacq: They werenât like, [stereotypical Canadian accent] âOh, hey, thanks for interviewing me.â
Gretchen: Maybe this is a good segue actually because youâre a fellow Canadian, hello, âWelcome to the podcast, ehâ â [laughter] â whoâs been living in New Zealand for nine years now.
Jacq: Yeah, almost a decade.
Gretchen: Amazing. Weâve had a previous interview with Ake Nicholas talking about Cook Islands MÄori if people want to hear someone with a more New Zealand accent.
Jacq: Actual New Zealand accent.
Gretchen: An actual New Zealand accent. But this is presumably a linguistic experience for you. Do you wanna say anything about what itâs been like? Do you talk differently to people other than me who donât have a similar Canadian accent?
Jacq: Itâs kind of hard to know. I think thereâre a few things. I noticed about four or five years in that I was losing my Canadian raising. We had gone somewhere, and I said, âAw, look at those three houses.â I was like, âAh! What did I just do?â Instead of saying /haĘsÉz/, I said /haĘzÉz/. I was like, âUgh.â Which is funny because when I lived in Canada, I never noticed Canadian raising. It was one of those things that was so â
Gretchen: So, Canadian raising, which we actually havenât talked about on Lingthusiasm yet â so maybe someday in the future â
Jacq: What!
Gretchen: â is the thing that is responsible for the differences between how I say the vowel in âhouseâ [noun] versus âhouseâ [verb] or in âheightâ versus âhighâ â âheight,â âhigh,â âhouse,â âhouse.â I will say, I donât Canadian raise that much, so itâs a difference in terms of how you say the vowel between /t/ and /d/ or /s/ and /z/. Thereâre some people who say something like, âabout,â more like /ÉboĘt/. Thereâs a stereotype that Canadians say /ÉbĘt/, and thatâs not true. I want to correct that right now. People in lots of other English-speaking environments donât do this Canadian raising, and you noticed that you were stopping doing it. Anecdotally, I also notice people that move to Canada do start doing more Canadian raising, so this seems to be one of the ones thatâs flexible in peopleâs speech.
Jacq: Yeah, I think thatâs true. Itâs funny because itâs so stereotyped in Canada. I donât think itâs as strong as the stereotype, but itâs definitely sticky in a weird way. I did lose it. But probably, in this interview, itâs back.
Gretchen: It clicks back in.
Jacq: Yeah.
Gretchen: Any other things that youâve noticed?
Jacq: I remember when I first landed in New Zealand â so New Zealand is non-rhotic. Thereâs no R. Words that are spelt E-A-R, like âear,â and words that are spelt A-I-R, like âair,â have merged, so theyâre pronounced the same. I was sitting on the airplane waiting to disembark, and the announcer came on, and they said, âCould everyone exit via the /ÉšiÉÉš stiÉÉšz/?â
Gretchen: Oh. [Laughs]
Jacq: I had this moment of, like, cows stacked up at the back of a plane. Like, and itâs sat with me, and I think itâs because the context wasnât quite enough for me to get â but I was like, âRear steers? Rear steers. What?â
Gretchen: Well, itâs what you exit the âear-planeâ by, obviously.
Jacq: âWhen you exit the ear-plane by the rear steers, or alternatively, exit the airplane by the rare stairs,â which are the stairs that they donât bring out that often.
Gretchen: We have to save the rare stairs and the fine china for guests.
Jacq: Exactly.
Gretchen: Thatâs exactly the kind of thing that, especially, when youâre hitting something out of context, and they seem to be more fond of using that, so if you werenât used to that particular phrase, either, it would catch.
Jacq: Yeah, and I mean, youâre also in a new place and all of this, and youâre trying to pay attention because you have to do what the airplane people tell you because thatâs the rules. I have one more anecdote that is very deeply only Canadian and New Zealand overlap.
Gretchen: Please, I wanna hear it.
Jacq: Maybe this is only western Canada. Weâll see. So, Gretchen, what do you call the front row of seats in the classroom?
Gretchen: Oh, thatâs where the âkeenersâ sit.
Jacq: Thatâs where the âkeenersâ sit, right, thatâs the âkeenerâ seats, right?
Gretchen: I dunno if I have âkeener seatsâ specifically as a phrase, but like, absolutely, totally understand you when you say this.
Jacq: So, if somebodyâs a âkeener,â thatâs the person at the front of the class, yeah.
Gretchen: Absolutely, yeah. I have told people about this Canadianism myself.
Jacq: Amazing! Iâm glad itâs a super salient Canadianism.
Gretchen: Iâve introduced Lauren to it, in fact.
Jacq: So, itâs not a thing in New Zealand. They donât have keeners, but New Zealanders say âkeenâ all the time.
Gretchen: Oh, but for something different.
Jacq: Youâll say â and apologies to any New Zealanders if I get these pragmatically a little bit wrong â but youâll say, âAh, Iâm going for coffee. Is anyone keen?â Or you might say, âAh, the movieâs coming out next week,â and someone else might say, âKeen,â like theyâre keen to go.
Gretchen: Oh, okay, yeah, I think I could say, âIâm keen to go,â but not âkeenâ by itself in a phrase like that.
Jacq: No, and I think that my impression â my 8-year-old, 9-year-old Canadian impression â is that you donât really use âkeenâ â because it has a little bit of that odd, negative â I mean, itâs a âkeenerâ thing, so unless youâre really claiming â
Gretchen: That youâre a big fan of Star Wars, and youâre a Star Wars keener, and you definitely have to go see the new one.
Jacq: If youâre keen to go to Star Wars, you wanna be in the front row.
Gretchen: Of course! Yeah, okay, yeah, I sort of get that. Itâs not as neutral. Itâs like youâre really actively excited. Youâre not just like, âOh, yeah, Iâd be good to goâ or like âIâd be down to go.â âIâd be keen to goâ is like, âIâd be so keen to go! That would be great!â not just like, âItâd be fine.â
Jacq: Yeah, but if youâre keen, youâre like, âYeah, I couldâ â if you wanted to be extra, you could double up the New Zealandisms and you could be âkeen as.â
Gretchen: Oh, yeah, Iâve heard the âas.â
Jacq: You could be âkeen as,â but I donât know â thatâs where my knowledge of New Zealand lexical items stops is at âas.â
Gretchen: I love âkeenerâ as a Canadianism because my prof friends will be like, âOh, one of my keeners came to my office hours today,â and theyâll mean that student whoâs always asking really good questions and is really excited to be there and stuff like that. Itâs very positive when my prof friends who were all themselves keeners back in the day use it. Maybe some people use it negatively, but I sure donât know any of them.
Jacq: If you are a keener, then âkeenerâ is quite positive, but maybe less so if you're not.
Gretchen: Maybe less so. So, you finished your PhD, and youâre teaching now. I have been told that you make students stab themselves with toothpicks for science. Can you tell us about that?
Jacq: I would love to tell you about that, with a caveat: I tell students to very carefully try not to stab themselves with toothpicks, but it doesnât quite translate. I teach phonetics, which involves learning about all of the sounds and how we make them. If youâre a speaker of English, you might be familiar with this little sound called âR.â
Gretchen: R is a sound, yes, that Iâm familiar with.
Jacq: The alveolar approximate, the /Éš/ noise. The R sound, the /Éš/, can be made about 16 million different ways. Thereâs something like eight or nine different things that you can do with your mouth that will get you close enough to /Éš/ for people to understand you.
Gretchen: Oh, wow. When I was learning phonetics, they told us there were two different ways, and thereâs actually six or eight of them.
Jacq: Thereâs two different tongue positions, and thatâs where the toothpick comes in. But you can also do â thereâs different stuff with the back of your mouth. Some people have lip rounding, and some people donât. Some people raise this and that â yeah, thereâs different ways to do it. But you were right when you were learning phonetics.
Gretchen: But because it all produces approximately the same sound, kids just hear adults making the sound, and they experiment with their mouths to produce The Sound, and because the meat suit part of our throats is kind of squishy, you can manipulate it in different ways and end up with the same thing that comes out.
Jacq: You get close enough. In English, we donât have a lot of other stuff in that area, too. When you think about it, if youâre a kid, if you think about something like a /p/, if youâre a baby looking at a caregiver going /p/, you can really see that, right, but a /Éš/, you get a face, and you donât really know whatâs going on.
Gretchen: You just get a blank face. You canât see what theyâre doing. With something like a /k/, you canât necessarily see what theyâre doing, but the sound is very distinct that theyâre making. /Éš/ is this approximate sound, which is why itâs called an âapproximantâ in the International Phonetic Alphabet because itâs just sort of like, âEh, I dunno.â
Jacq: Close enough, yeah. What you get is you have this sound where thereâs a bunch of different ways to make it, and also a bunch of speakers that donât really know how they make it. When you say something like a /k/, you make that sound, and youâre like, âOh, my tongue goes here.â But when youâre making a /Éš/, it changes â depending on where it is in the word â all this stuff. As you learned in your phonetic class, there are two ways that your tongue can be shaped when youâre making a /Éš/ sound. This may blow some peopleâs minds because they never thought about it before and didnât realise that the other way is possible. The two big ways are â they have a million different names because of course they do â but one is called the âbunched R,â usually.
Gretchen: This is when your R, like the back part of your tongue sort of crunches up or gloms up into a bit of a shape at the back that doesnât actually touch the roof of your mouth.
Jacq: The back of your tongue is all crunched up, and the front of it is down at the bottom of your mouth. The other way to do it is often called the âretroflex R,â or the âcurly R,â so you have bunch-y R and curly R. The curly R â the retroflex R â the front of your tongue is curled up and back a little bit.
Gretchen: Itâs almost like the tip of the bottom of your tongue is touching, or almost touching, the roof of your mouth.
Jacq: Yes. Which one do you make? Itâs hard to â
Gretchen: I know which one I make!
Jacq: Awesome! One of the important points of science is confirmatory analysis. You should replicate this finding and see if it still holds true. If you wanna know which R you make, thereâs a way that you can do this with just a toothpick. Itâs really easy. All you do is you take a toothpick, a clean one â and make sure you wash your hands â and then you take your toothpick, and you make an R sound â /Éš/ â or you can pretend youâre a dog and go [imitates dog growl], something like that, just make your /Éš/ noise. Then you take your toothpick, and you rest it on your bottom teeth or however you wanna â kind of have it centrally into your mouth â and as you go /Éš/, slowly and carefully, and not stab-ily, put the toothpick into your mouth, and then go, âbleh,â stick your tongue out. The toothpick will either be touching the top of your tongue or the bottom of your tongue.
Gretchen: Whoa! And this tells you which R you have?
Jacq: Yes. And if itâs touching the bottom of your tongue, youâre making a retroflex â youâre making a curly R. And if itâs touching the top of your tongue, youâre making a bunched R.
Gretchen: So, youâre either a curler or a buncher, and you can tell this based on which side you are. I actually went looking for toothpicks so that I could try this and ended up finding a cotton swab, like a Q-Tip, before I saw my toothpicks, and so I tried this with a cotton swab and did not stab myself. This is the safety conscious version you can do if you like because it also works.
Jacq: As long as itâs clean and your hands are clean, thatâs a good, safe way to do it.
Gretchen: Iâm a buncher, which I thought I was, and I have just confirmed that.
Jacq: Anecdotally, in Canada, it was usually about 50/50 when we go through classes, or we try it. This is in Alberta.
Gretchen: And in New Zealand is it also 50/50, or is it different?
Jacq: In New Zealand, there are a lot more bunchers. I think this might have to do with New Zealand being non-rhotic. I donât have a paper on this. I donât know anything. But thereâs also a lot less lip rounding. In Canada, lip rounding is almost universal, like itâs on Rs a lot.
Gretchen: Yeah, I lip round.
Jacq: But in New Zealand, thatâs not the case. Most people donât round their lips.
Gretchen: Jacq, thank you so much for joining us on the podcast. As we ask at the end of every interview, âIf you could leave people knowing one thing about linguistics, what would it be?â
Jacq: It would be that youâre the boss of your language. How you communicate with people â itâs all on you. People can tell you how they think you should talk. Even linguists can say, âWell, this is how people talk.â But if youâre not feeling it, do something different. You can change it. You can do whatever you want, communicate however you wanna communicate. Donât let anyone tell you what to do.
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jaime is so gender in a way that makes sense. like he is a dude who is totally comfortable with being a dude. he could be the younger more beautiful queen if he wanted to but even then he would be doing it in a very man way. he crossdressed his way through childhood but he doesnt really care. despite all of his problems and his flaws, he knows how his gender works and nothing's really a threat to it.
CERSEI, meanwhile, is so gender in a way that is so deeply confusing i get a headache every time i think about it.
#tyrion isnt really gender. hes kinda like that ethics teacher at my school who called me a nobody underclassmen last week.#spiritual successor to the brienne gender meta#jaime is extremely comfortable in his masculinity. dont have a fucking clue what cersei's on though.#cersei lannister#jaime lannister#asoiaf#house lannister#a song of ice and fire#my posts#tyrion lannister
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iâve been thinking a lot about what is so unique and appealing about 80s robin jayâs moral standing that got completely lost in plot later on. and i think a huge part of it is that in a genre so focused on crime-fighting, his motivations and approach donât focus on the category of crime at all. in fact, he doesnât seem to believe in any moral dogma; and itâs not motivated by nihilism, but rather his open-heartedness and relational ethical outlook.
we first meet (post-crisis) jay when he is stealing. when confronted about his actions by bruce heâs confident that he didnât do anything wrong â heâs not apologetic, he doesnât seem to think that he has morally failed on any account. later on, when confronted by batman again, jay says that heâs no âcrook.â at this point, the reader might assume that jay has no concept of wrong-doing, or that stealing is just not one of the deeds that he considers wrong-doing. yet, later on we see jay so intent on stopping ma gunn and her students, refusing to be implicit in their actions. there are, of course, lots of reasons for which we can assume he was against stealing in this specific instance (an authority figure being involved, the target, the motivations, the school itself being an abusive environment etc.), but what we gather is that jay has an extremely strong sense of justice and is committed to moral duty. that's all typical for characters in superhero comics, isn't it? however, what remains distinctive is that this moral duty is not dictated by any dogma â he trusts his moral instincts. this attitude â his distrust toward power structures, confidence in his moral compass, and situational approach, is something that is maintained throughout his robin run. it is also evident in how he evaluates other people â we never see him condemning his parents, for example, and that includes willis, who was a petty criminal. i think from there arises the potential for a rift between bruce and jay that could be, have jay lived, far more utilised in batman comics than it was within his short robin run.
after all, while bruceâs approach is often called a âphilosophy of love and care,â he doesnât ascribe to the ethics of care [eoc] (as defined in modern scholarship btw) in the same way that jay does. ethics of care âdeny that morality consists in obedience to a universal lawâ and focus on the ideals of caring for other people and non-institutionalized justice. bruce, while obviously caring, is still bound by his belief in the legal system and deontological norms. he is benevolent, but he is also ultimately morally committed to the idea of a legal system and thus frames criminals as failing to meet these moral (legal-adjacent) standards (even when he recognizes it is a result of their circumstances). in other words, he might think that a criminal is a good person despite leading a life of crime. meanwhile, for jay there is no despite; jay doesn't think that engaging in crime says anything about a person's moral personality at all. morality, for him, is more of an emotional practice, grounded in empathy and the question of what he can do for people âhere and now.â he doesnât ascribe to maxims nor utilitarian calculations. for jay, in morality, thereâs no place for impartiality that bruce believes in; moral decisions are embedded within a net of interpersonal relationships and social structures that cannot be generalised like the law or even a âmoral codeâ does it. itâs all about responsiveness.Â
to sum up, jay's moral compass is relative and passionate in a way that doesn't fit batman's philosophy. this is mostly because bruce wants to avoid the sort of arbitrariness that seems to guide eoc. also, both for vigilantism, and jay, eoc poses a challenge in the sense that it doesn't create a certain 'intellectualised' distance from both the victims and the perpetrators; there's no proximity in the judgment; it's emotional.
all of this is of course hardly relevant post-2004. there might be minimal space for accommodating some of it within the canon progression (for example, the fact that eoc typically emphasises the responsibility that comes with pre-existing familial relationships and allows for prioritizing them, as well as the flexibility regarding moral deliberations), but the utilitarian framework and the question of stopping the crime vs controlling the underworld is not something that can be easily reconciled with jayâs previous lack of interest in labeling crime.Â
#fyi i'm ignoring a single panel in which jay says 'evil wins. he chose the life of crime' because i think there's much more nuance to that#as in: choosing a life of crime to deliberately cause harm is a whole another matter#also: inb4 this post is not bruce slander. please do not read it as such#as i said eoc is highly criticised for being arbitrary which is something that bruce seeks to avoid#also ethics of care are highly controversial esp that their early iterations are gender essentialist and ascribe this attitude to women#wow look at me accidentally girl-coding jay#but also on the topic of post-res jay.#it's typically assumed that ethics of care take a family model and extend it into morality as a whole#'the ethics of care considers the family as the primary sphere in which to understand ethical behavior'#so#an over-simplification: you are allowed to care for your family over everything else#re: jay's lack of understanding of bruce's conflict in duty as batman vs father#for jay there's no dilemma. how you conduct yourself in the familial context determines who you are as a person#also if you are interested in eoc feel free to ask because googling will only confuse you...#as a term it's used in many weird ways. but i'm thinking about a general line of thought that evolves into slote's philosophy#look at me giving in and bringing philosophy into comics. sorry. i tried to simplify it as much as possible#i didn't even say anything on criminology and the label and the strain theories.#i'm so brave for not info-dumping#i said even though i just info-dumped#jay.zip#jay.txt#dc#fatal flaw#core texts#robin days
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To imagine a sexuality that doesn't conform to law or nature is not what disturbs people. But that individuals are beginning to love one another - there's the problem.
Michel Foucault, Ethics: Subjectivity and Truth
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The Social Consequences of Marketing
Marketing, while essential for businesses and economies, has also been criticized for causing harm to society in various ways. Here are some significant ways in which marketing has negatively impacted society:
1. Promotion of Consumerism
Excessive consumption: Marketing often encourages the idea that happiness and success are linked to material goods, promoting a culture of consumerism. This has led to excessive consumption, debt, and environmental damage, as people are driven to buy more than they need.
Planned obsolescence: Companies sometimes design products with limited lifespans, encouraging consumers to buy new versions frequently. This practice contributes to waste, depletion of resources, and increased consumer spending.
2. Exploitation of Insecurities
Body image and self-esteem: Advertising in industries like fashion, beauty, and fitness often exploits people's insecurities by promoting unrealistic beauty standards. This can lead to mental health issues such as low self-esteem, anxiety, body dysmorphia, and even eating disorders.
Fear-based marketing: Some marketing strategies use fear to sell products, such as insurance, security systems, or health products, by making consumers feel unsafe or inadequate without them.
3. Targeting Vulnerable Populations
Children: Marketing often targets children, who are particularly susceptible to persuasive messages. This leads to the commercialization of childhood, with kids exposed to unhealthy food, consumerist values, and a materialistic mindset from an early age.
Low-income groups: Companies sometimes market harmful products, such as payday loans or unhealthy foods, more aggressively to low-income populations, exacerbating financial hardship or health problems.
4. Perpetuation of Stereotypes and Social Divides
Gender roles: Marketing often reinforces gender stereotypes, portraying women as caregivers or men as breadwinners, thereby perpetuating outdated norms that limit gender equality and diversity.
Cultural appropriation and tokenism: Some brands use cultural symbols or minority groups in marketing campaigns without understanding their significance, which can lead to cultural appropriation and tokenism, alienating and misrepresenting marginalized communities.
5. Environmental Damage
Overemphasis on fast fashion and disposable goods: Marketing has contributed to the rise of fast fashion and a throwaway culture, promoting short-term use of cheap, disposable products. This has serious environmental consequences, including pollution, resource depletion, and the generation of vast amounts of waste.
Greenwashing: Some companies falsely market products as "environmentally friendly" or "sustainable" in an attempt to capitalize on consumers' eco-consciousness, misleading the public and delaying genuine action on environmental issues.
6. Manipulation and Misinformation
False advertising: Companies sometimes make exaggerated or false claims about their products, misleading consumers and creating false expectations. This can be particularly harmful when it comes to health products, pharmaceuticals, or weight-loss treatments.
Addictive design: Marketing techniques are increasingly used to promote addictive behaviors, particularly in the context of social media, video games, or gambling. Companies manipulate users through behavioral nudges and psychological triggers that keep them hooked.
7. Invasion of Privacy
Data mining and surveillance: With the rise of digital marketing, companies have gained unprecedented access to consumersâ personal data. Many firms engage in data mining and targeted advertising based on individuals' online behavior, often without full transparency or consent, leading to concerns about privacy and data security.
Personalization and manipulation: Highly personalized marketing can lead to manipulation, as companies can target individuals with ads tailored to their specific vulnerabilities, making it harder for consumers to make objective decisions.
8. Promotion of Unhealthy Lifestyles
Junk food advertising: Aggressive marketing of unhealthy foods, particularly to children, has been linked to rising rates of obesity, diabetes, and other diet-related diseases.
Alcohol and tobacco marketing: Despite restrictions in some countries, marketing of alcohol, tobacco, and vaping products continues to glamorize these potentially harmful substances, leading to addiction and public health crises.
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Credit and debt marketing: Marketing of credit cards, loans, and other financial products often promotes spending beyond one's means, contributing to personal debt and financial instability. Predatory lending practices, such as payday loans, are frequently marketed to those already in financial difficulty.
10. Reduction of Authenticity and Creativity
Commercialization of art and culture: Marketing can sometimes reduce art, culture, and creativity to mere products to be sold, stripping them of their authenticity. This can lead to the commodification of creative expression and a focus on profit over substance.
Trend exploitation: By constantly pushing new trends, marketing fosters a culture of superficiality and short-term thinking, where value is placed on what is fashionable or trending rather than what is meaningful or lasting.
While marketing plays a critical role in the economy by connecting consumers with products, it also has significant social, psychological, and environmental consequences. From promoting overconsumption and exploiting insecurities to targeting vulnerable groups and contributing to environmental degradation, marketing practices have often prioritized profit over societal well-being. Reforming marketing to be more ethical and socially responsible is essential for creating a healthier, more sustainable society.
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