#Finduilas/Nienor/Nellas

[who-needs-words]

Listen listen. You’ve probably heard of Finduilas/Nienor and maybe you’ve heard of Nellas/Nienor. I’m proud to introduce Finduilas/Nienor/Nellas.

Timelines don’t matter when you have two immortal elves. They [spins wheel] save Elurín and Eluréd and raise them before [spins wheel] Finduilas becomes Gil-galad.

This is coherent and definitely not me throwing darts at a board labeled ‘fun silm AUs’

[theworldisquietheretooquiet]

In honour of pride month and these all being extremely underrated

[thelordofgifs]

I have very little interest in Túrin as a character, but I DO adore all the tragic women he interacted with and think they deserve sapphic happy ending fix-it AUs. So! You’ve heard of Finduilas/Nienor (excellent ship) and also of Morwen/Aerin (wonderful and heartbreaking ship) but may I please introduce you to my newest rarepair, Lalaith/Nellas?

“oh op Lalaith died when she was three—” shut up shut up shut up she’s alive to ME ok

[warrioreowynofrohan]

Elements of Morgoth’s Curse on Húrin’s Family

There’s a lot of things going on in the Narn i Hîn Húrin, so I wanted to lay out what I think are the different elements of Morgoth’s curse. There’s a lot of aspects, from the things he does directly (send forces to capture Amon Rudh, send Glaurung to Nargothrond), supernatural bad luck (Túrin killing Beleg), and things that I read as more subtle negative influences.

First, I think the curse broadly influences both Túrin and everyone around him to be on their worst behaviour. It can’t make anyone do anything, it can’t override free will, but it can encourage bad behaviour and bad decisions. We’ve got one statement directly pointing to this, from Mablung to Saeros when the latter deliberately antagonizes Túrin and gets a jug thrown at his face for his trouble: “I think that some shadow of the North has reached out to touch us tonight. Take heed, lest you do the will of Morgoth in your pride, and remember than you are of the Eldar.”

My inclination is to think that Mablung has percieved correctly here, amd that Morgoth is doing everything he can to get Túrin out of Doriath, where Morgoth’s power to harm him is limited. This influence encourages Saeros’ hostility, Túrin’s revenge, and Túrin’s hasty decision to leave Doriath and refuse to explain his actions.

There are a lot of things that I read this way - Túrin’s stubbornness, his preying on civilians and travellers during his early days with the outlaws, the outlaws’ striking cruelty towards Beleg, Androg’s behaviour, Mîm’s resentments and later betrayal, Túrin’s arrogance and hostility towards dissent in Nargothrond, and even Morwen and Nienor’s determination to leave Doriath and go with the scouting mission to Nargothrond are all things chosen by the characters themselves, but in the above context it’s easy to suspect a subtle temptation underlying them. And the cruelty of the influence on the family of Húrin, in particular, is that the influence is driving, I think, a tragedy specifically directed at operating through hamartia - a virtue that becomes a vice in excess - to turn courage into recklessness and stubborn determination into obstinance.

Once Túrin leaves Doriath, the curse begins to work in some more direct ways. One subtle implication of the Narn is that Morgoth is clouding Túrin’s good memories of Doriath so that he will not return.

Coming suddenly out of his thought he said to Beleg: “The elf-maiden whom you named: I owe her well for her timely witness; yet I cannot recall her. Why did she watch my ways?”

Then Beleg looked stragely at him. “Why indeed?” he said. “Túrin, have you lived always with your heart and half your mind far away? You walked with Nellas in the woods of Doriath, when you were a boy.”

“That was long ago,” said Túrin. “Or so my childhood now seems, and a mist is over it - save the memory of my father’s house in Dor-lómin. But why should I have walked with an elf-maiden?”

A third way, and probably the most dramatic one, in which the curse works is as a very powerful bad-luck charm. Túrin accidentally killing Beleg, Túrin finding Nienor unconscious and naked on the burial mound of Finduilas, and possibly even the love triangle between Finduilas, Gwindor, and Túrin.

These three elements of the curse can operate whether Morgoth knows where Túrin is or not (the Narn does mention Morgoth loses track of him from time to time, until Túrin’s determination for open war periodically reveals him again).

And then the fourth element is Morgoth acting directly - sending forces after Túrin on Amon Rudh, sending Glaurung to Nargothrond, having Glauring hypnotize first Túrin and then Nienor, sending Glaurung to Brethil. I almost wonder if Morgoth at this point infuses some part of his spirit into Glaurung; prior to this the dragon seems like a large and dangerous, but basically animal-like monster, whereas in the Narn he’s intelligent, manipulative, and malicious.

And there are others things where it’s hard to tell what aspect of the curse is at work, but connections seem more than coincidental. Saeros taunt Túrin about the women of Dor-lómin “running like beasts clad only in their hair”; Nienor, enchanted by Glaurung, runs, “flying like a deer among the trees with her hair streaming in the wind of her speed” and tears off her clothing. Saeros leaps to his death at a chasm of a river; so, later, does Nienor (at Caben-en-Aras, the Deer’s Leap). The wording, the recurrence if the word ‘deer’, indicates that Tolkien intended us to make this connection, but what does that mean?

It seems to easy to claim that Morgoth had it all planned out from the start, from Saeros to Nienor; there are far too many twists and turns in Túrin’s story for it to seem plausible that Morgoth could orchestrate it that precisely, from start to finish. He’s got to be playing things by ear and adapting to circumstances at least a bit. But the Saeros parallel could suggest Morgoth had the general endgame (Túrin and Nienor marrying each other unknowingly) in mind from the start, and was waiting for the right moment when the family were in geographical proximity and outside the protection of Doriath.

EDIT: On the “painful dramatic ironies” front, I forgot to mention Túrin loving Finduilas ‘as a sister’ because she reminds him of the women of the House of Hador, and then falling in love with his actual sister in part because she connects with his memories of / guilt about Finduilas.

[lanthanum12]

I gave it a go and I got 280!

Here is my list!

It took two pages haha! (I am now reminded as to why I don't write stuff out by hand as a Dysgraphic person XD (my wrist is so sore!)

[Image ID: List of names written in the purple pen. The names are: Maeglin, Finwe, Miriel, Indis, Feanor, Nerdanel, Mahtan, Findis, Faniel, Fingolfin, Anaire, Lalwende, Finarfin, Earwen, Maedhros, Maglor, Celegorm, Caranthir, Curufin, Amras, Amrod, Fingon, Turgon, Elenwe, Aredhel, Eol, Argon, Finrod, Amarie, Angrod, Eldalote, Aegnor, Galadriel, Celeborn, Celebrimbor, Idril, Tuor, Orodreth, Celebrian, Earendil, Gil-Galad, Finduilas, Elros, Elrond, Elladan, Elrohir, Arwen, Eldarion, Vardamir, Tindomiel, Manwendil, Atanalcar, Amandil, Vardilme, Aulendil, Nolondil, Mairen, Erendis, Aldarion, Ancalime, Tar-Palantir, Tar-Miriel, Ar-Pharazon, Elendil, Ilsidur, Beruthiel, Fuinur, Lenwe, Denethor the elf, Mablung, Beleg, Daeron, Saeros, Elmo, Olwe, Thingol, Luthien, Dior, Nimloth, Elwing, Elured, Elurin, Ingwe, Ingwion, Elemire, Meleth, Edrahil, Nellas, Voronwe, Elmmakil, Gwindor, Legolas of Gondolin, Gelmir, Dulian of the Swallow, Galdor of the Tree, Glorfindel, Ecthelion, Salgant, Rog, Egalmoth, Penlod, Haldir the marchwarden, Oropher, thranduil, Legolas Greenleaf, Galion, Gildor Inglorion, Gimli the elf, Vaire of cottage Lost Play, Erestor, Lindir, Cirdan, Manwe, Varda, Aule, Yavanna, Irmo, Este, Nienna, Ulmo, Tulkas, Vana, Nessa, Orome, Namo, Vaire, Tinfang Warble, Makar, Maesse, Tom Bombadil, Goldberry, Fanuin, Langon, Kuruki, Salmar, Osse, Uinen, Saruman, Alatar, Pallando, Radagast, Gandalf, Melian, Arien, Tilion, Ilmare, Eonwe, Thuringwethil, Zigur, Gothmog the balrog, Fankil, Nimrodel, Mithrellas, Amrod, Eru, Mouth of Sauron, Azog, Bolg, Shagrat, Gorbag, Grima, Gothmog of Mordor, Khamul, Witch-king, Bill Ferny, Shelob, Ungoliant, Gollum, Ulfang, Uldor, Brodda, Freca, Wulf, Carcharoth, Draugluin, Scatha. Maeglin's, Nienna's, Goldberry's, Vaire's, Zigur's, Khamul's, Witch King's, and Gollum's names have hearts drawn near them. /end ID]

[Image ID: List of characters written in purple pen. The names are: Smaug, Glaurung, Anlcagon, Lotho Sackewille-Baggins, Otho SB, Lobelia SB, Belladonna Baggins, Bruno Bracegirdle, Lily, the other Lily, Diamound, Pippin, Merry, Frodo, Samwise, Hamfast, Frodo Gardner, Alfreda of Yale, Rosie, Farmer Cotton, Farmer Maggot, Odo Proudfoot, Bilbo Baggins, Anglachel/Gurthang, Elanor Gardner, Barliman Butterbur, Bard Bowman, Beorn, Grimbeorn, Eowyn, Eomer, Lothiriel, Elboron, Theoden, Theodwyn, theodred, Hazad Longbeam, Tal-Elmar, Boron, Beren, Gorlim, Beor, Haldad, Haleth, Hador, Andreth, Dorlas, Brandir, Bledis, Turin, Lalaith, Nienor, Morwen, Hurin, Huor, Mim, Ori, Dori, Nori, Thorin Oakensheild, kili, Fili, Dis, Boromir, Faramir, Denethor the steward, Finduilas of dol Amroth, Imarahil, Ioreth, Gimli the Dwarf, Glion, Grion, Telchar, Azaghal, Dain Ironfoot, Bifur, Bombur, Bofur, Durin I, Durin II, Durin III, Durin IV, Huan, Old Man Willow, Nahar, Asafola, Bill the Pony, Fang, Fatty Lumpkin, Annael, Sador, Aerin, Quickbeam, Treeberead, Rumil the loremaster, Pengoloth, Thorondor, Gwahir, Tevildo, Bregolas, Shadowfax, Morgoth, Helm, Rian. Lobelia's, Bill the Pony's, Angalchel/Gurthang's, and Brandir's, names all have hearts near them. /end ID] And yes Anglachel/Gurthang being a character is a hill I am willing to die on, I treat her as such and she has dialog which is more than I can say for many of these characters! It would be very sad if I had to leave out one of my top ten.

This took forever!! Thank you for reading!

Bonus internet points will be awarded to anyone who actually tries this exercise before voting.

Assume you need to get the spelling at least somewhat close, and if a character has multiple names, only one counts. Also, if a character doesn't have a canonical name, I'm sorry, but "that guy's wife" doesn't count.

For reference, if you can name the 9 members of the Fellowship, the eponymous Hobbit and his 13 dwarf buddies, 3 prominent women, and the guy who runs the Rivendell B&B, that's 27 characters right there. And you probably also know the name of a dragon.

For further reference, Tolkien Gateway has 637 (!!) pages dedicated to Third Age characters. (Don't click that link until you've voted, of course)

Edit: Your humble pollmaker gave this a try, and got as far as 73 before deciding she was too tired to keep trying to remember dwarf and Silm names. If you also want to share (and don't mind people being incredulous at your having forgot ____), pastebin allows you to paste text and share it for free. :)

[princess-faelivrin]

no take-backs

[vinyatar]

crocordile said to vinyatar: if i'm not too late! "I love you, they said. I love you" for anyone of húrin's family

i waffled over whom to draw from hurin’s family, settled on all of them, and ended up with this casually formatted photo set of turin being prepped for his dagorath duel by (most) everyone who loved him. waking up from the dead and then fighting morgoth takes a lot of encouragement

[silmaspens]

Here’s some character concepts I did for Children of Hurin ✨

From left to right: Thingol, Melian, Nellas, Mablung, Morwen, Turin, Nienor, Hurin, Beleg, Gwindor, Finduilas, Orodreth

[tolkien-feels]

I thought the point of Gwindor bringing up Finduilas as standing between Túrin and his doom was just that if Túrin marries Finduilas then he can't later marry Níniel, thus avoiding one of the worst results of the curse.

Possibly! But I think it's more than just avoiding the worst case scenario, I think it's actively the best case scenario

The reason I'm so very attached to it is specifically this

‘A Man you seem in stature, and indeed more than many already,’ Thingol answered; ‘but nonetheless you have not come to the fullness of your manhood that shall be. Until that is achieved, you should be patient, testing and training your strength. Then, maybe, you can remember your kin; but there is little hope that one Man alone can do more against the Dark Lord than to aid the Elf-lords in their defence, as long as that may last.’

Then Túrin said: ‘Beren my kinsman did more.’ ‘Beren, and Lúthien,’ said Melian. ‘But you are over-bold to speak so to the father of Lúthien. Not so high is your destiny, I think, Túrin son of Morwen, though greatness is in you, and your fate is twined with that of the Elven-folk, for good or for ill. Beware of yourself, lest it be ill.’

Nellas and Finduilas also both remark on the similarities between Turin and Beren, with Nellas saying not everybody would be able to see it. Which makes me think Finduilas is genuinely onto something, rather than just... wishfully thinking of a man who married an elf.

Anyway, before Luthien, Beren is fighting Morgoth in a way not too dissimilar to Turin. Besides, in terms of inheriting broken houses, Beren and Turin are pretty much the same, though of course with the houses of Beor and Hador respectively. There's a parallel there.

Now, I'm not suggesting Turin would personally walk into Angband and live, and Melian straight up says that's not his fate, but I do think he might've been able to accomplish more if he had Finduilas. Of course, Finduilas isn't half-Maia either, so there's also that to account for. But in my mind (and I'm fully aware that I may be wrong) there seems to be something going on here beyond just making Turin unavailable for Nienor.

Now, I don't actually like Turin and Finduilas marrying, because I much prefer them as friends, but historically, men who marry up in Tolkien (assuming Finduilas counts as "up" which Tolkien would probably say she does) tend to have a better shot at life than even men who marry non-sister wives of the save social standing.

I think Turin's fate as it is is twined with that of the Elven-folk very much for ill, but perhaps the thing Tolkien might've been trying to get at is that if he married Finduilas, it'd be for good. How? I don't know. Like I said, it doesn't even appeal to me (give me BROTPs or give me death), but if I'm just following the patterns Tolkien's stories seem to follow, that does seem to be a strong possibility? Maybe even just... Continuing the Hadorian bloodline, Peredhel version, which of course Tuor also does, but maybe since the Hadorians are the First House they're supposed to have more Peredhil than the Beorians? Or maybe it's about having Arafinwean Peredhil running around? I don't know, but it feels significant (but full disclaimer, I haven't read this book in a decade, so I'm going off my impressions from when I'd read it, so I may be saying nonsense here)

[elvenaurelia]

I’ve come up with a partner Pokemon for many characters in the Silmarillion (etc). I actually put a lot of thought into this and so I might as well share it because why the hell not. I call this “Pokemon Legends: Beleriand” or “Noldomon.” Can’t figure out which one I like better. 

Finwe - Entei

Feanor – Charizard (shiny) Fingolfin – Glastrier Finarfin - Serperior

Maedhros – Ninetales Maglor – Vaporeon Celegorm – Arcanine - Talonflame Caranthir – Liepard (shiny) Curufin – Houndoom Amrod - Plusle Amras – Minun

Fingon – Ninetales (Alolan) Turgon - Flygon Aredhel - Absol Argon - Raichu

Finrod - Ribombee Angrod - Skarmory Aegnor – Chandelure (shiny) Galadriel – Primarina (shiny)

Celebrimbor – Starmie

Orodreth - Gigalith

Idril - Hatterene

Maeglin - Excadrill

Gil-Galad - Luxray Finduilas – Marill

Nerdanel – Lycanroc (dusk form) Anaire - Mienshao Earwen - Swanna Amarie - Butterfree Elenwe – Vivillon (fancy pattern) Findis - Gardevoir Irime - Froslass Miriel - Musharna Indis – Florges (yellow) Eldalote - Eldegoss

Ingwe - Raikou Olwe - Suicune

Thingol – Weavile Melian – Celebi Luthien – Umbreon (shiny)

Mablung - Dragapult Beleg – Aegislash

Nellas - Whimsicott

Daeron – Oricorio (Sensu Style)

Saeros - Scrafty

Celeborn – Aurorus

Oropher - Lilligant Thranduil – Sawsbuck

Eol - Honchkrow

Dior - Noibat Nimloth - Floette

Elwing - Altaria Elured - Lunatone Elurin – Solrock

Earendil - Lapras

Elrond – Togekiss Elros - Slowking

Cirdan - Kingdra

Celebrian - Meowstic

Duilin - Swellow Egalmoth - Stonjourner Penlod - Duraludon Galdor - Trevenant Glorfindel – Venusaur (shiny) Ecthelion - Gyarados Salgant - Kricketune Rog – Metagross

Elemmakil – Klefki Voronwe - Manectric

Gwindor – Marowak (Alolan) Gelmir - Cursola

Edrahil – Clefairy

Pengologh - Audino

Beren - Espeon

Tuor - Corviknight

Turin – Zorua (Hisuian) Nienor – Deerling

Andreth – Frosmoth

Haleth - Wooloo

Eru - Arceus

Manwe – Ho-Oh Ulmo – Kyogre Aule – Groudon Orome – Calyrex/Spectrier (Shadow Rider Calyrex) Mandos – Yveltal Lorien – Jirachi Tulkas – Victini

Varda – Lunala Yavanna – Xerneas Nienna – Mesprit Este – Tapu Lele Vaire – Dialga Vana – Shaymin Nessa – Meloetta

Arien – Solgaleo Eönwë – Reshiram Ilmarë – Cosmog  Ossë – Tapu Fini Tilion – Cressalia Uinen – Manaphy

Melkor – Giratina

Gothmog – Heatran

Sauron – Moltres (Galarian) Annatar - Mimikyu

[fatalism-and-villainy]

It’s soothing to organize fic ideas for public eyes, so here’s a list of mine in order of imminence of publication/completeness-of-ideas:

MDZS/CQL

In Progress:

Wen Qing/Li Xiaofan, for Novy

Future Ambitions:

Implied NHS/JGY, Terrible Threesome, from LXC’s POV - messy aftermath of NMJ’s death

WWX/MXY shared consciousness incense burner-induced dreamscape sex

Commentary on WWX’s derealization, in dialogue with LWJ

Wangxian kink, LWJ POV, LWJ’s stone-related insecurites (possibly will overlap with the previous point in a general “post-canon wangxian feeling their way with each other”)

Vaguely Formed Free-Floating Ideas:

WWX/NHS post-canon in Qinghe, antagonistic flirting

WWX teaching in Lotus Pier, sexy Wangxian epistolary exchange

Some sort of take on JGY/QS

SQX/HX dark dubcon captivity fic (because this ship needs more nastiness)

SILM

In Progress:

Finrod/Curufin and possessive gift giving

Nienor fic (feat. interaction with Aerin and Nellas)

Future Ambitions:

Nienor/Finduilas AU, possibly with a side of Nienor/Brandir - everyone in Brethil

3rd Age Gondor fic - possibly Ivriniel and Denethor interacting

Vaguely Formed Free-Floating Ideas:

Fingon and Fingolfin, in the aftermath of Thangorodrim

M&M and C&C post-Nargothrond dysfunction

Elwing in Alqualondë

Some kind of take on Maedhros/Fingon

Voronwë/Tuor/Idril, possibly in deconstructing Noldorin ideals of parenting

[gurthang]

003 | Túrin??

Thank you anon!

How I feel about this character: God. On the one hand: he’s an idiot. On the other hand, the odds were stacked against him and arguably he was cursed to always make the Worst Possible Decisions. I’m especially attached to the description in Children of Hurin as Turin as a smol child, partly I guess because it reminds me a lot of myself? I love how sincere he was and how much he loved his baby sister and aaaaa. I wish Turin had listened to his boyfriend more but I guess he was metaphysically compelled to Not do that

All the people I ship romantically with this character: Beleg, Mim, Gwindor, Finduilas, Celebrimbor... that’s everyone I can think of who I ship with him in a Nice way.

My non-romantic OTP for this character: Turin+Nellas friendship is really cute ALSO TURIN+SADOR OH NO.... oh no so cute...

Oh and of course there’s Turin and Nienor. Which. I would love the way she was calmer and happier around him if it had STAYED PLATONIC but of course that’s the whole tragic point. 

My unpopular opinion about this character: I don’t know that I have any!

One thing I wish would happen / had happened with this character in canon: gee idk I sure wish he HADNT MARRIED HIS SISTER 

my het ship: Turin/Finduilas I guess? I’m not super passionate about this but it is a het ship which is more than I’m usually able to come up with lmao

my fem/slash ship: all... the other ships? Honestly it’s a funny thing about this ask meme that it has you list all the people you ship with the character and then later has you pick out One (1) Het Ship and One (1) Slash Ship, like... why.

my OTP: Turin/Beleg!

my OT3: Turin/Beleg/Gwindor, or Turin/Gwindor/Finduilas, or Turin/Beleg/Mim in a Happy Mim AU.... polyamory is great

my cross over ship: I’m really bad at having crossover ships sorryy

my kink: things-other-than-sibling-incest

a head cannon fact: he was pretty well versed in Doriath Politics and elfbusiness, being Thingol’s sort-of adopted son and everything

my gender bend: fem!turin has a scruffy ponytail and it’s very cute

Thanks again!! I hope this was satisfactory!

[gurguliare]

If someone's already asked you for the silm, and if it's not redundant, children of húrin? :)

the character I least understand: PROBS TÚRIN despite having thought about him a lot. ‘understand’ might not be the word, it’s more like even with a basic grasp of his mindset, a lot of it feels foreign to me.

interactions I enjoyed the most: morwen and hurin chatting about in-laws, hurin and morgoth also chatting about in-laws, turin collating a single conversation together from morwen and sador’s non-answers, turin talking to nellas while under the impression she is his imaginary friend, NELLAS AND THINGOL AT TURIN’S TRIAL, mim and turin with: fun third wheel: mim’s son’s ghost, beleg showing up looking like a fat huggable polar bear idk, turin killing beleg and gwindor’s reaction shot, GWINDOR LEADING TURIN TO IVRIN, gwindor yelling at orodreth, finduilas thinking “But Turin was not like Beren!” while staring at turin, gwindor yelling at turin while dying—‘for ill though my life was, you have brought death to me with your violence.’ + ‘patience will break at the last’—nienor vs morwen round 1, nienor vs glaurung round 1, nienor’s insensate husk vs mablung round 1, niniel vs brandir round 1, hunthor/dorlas/turin extremely brief roadtrip, niniel vs brandir round 2, NIENOR VS GLAURUNG ROUND 2. everything from when turin wakes up to his death? is that an interaction? a chemical interaction. MORWEN AND HURIN CHATTING ABOUT IN-LAWS (their son and their daughter are also their son-in-law and their daughter-in-law)

the character who scares me the most: ….turin… lovingly daunted

the character who is mostly like me: hmm, in a weird way i feel like this is hurin although i have no defense for it

hottest looks character: nienor or oldwen, regular morwen is the love of my life but oldwen is 👌👀🔥

one thing I dislike about my fave character: uhhhh fuck, who even is it. hurin: i hate that he kills mim.

one thing I like about my hated character: morgoth has some great lines and also i like how calmly he delivers his flat comebacks, like a five year old. “You lie” / “You shall see and you shall confess that I do not lie.” thanks morgs

a quote or scene that haunts me: “Farewell, O twice beloved! A Turin Turambar turun’ ambartanen: master of doom by doom mastered! O happy to be dead!”

a death that left me indifferent: androg

a character I wish died but didn’t: WHO IS EVEN LEFT

my ship that never sailed: ‘finduilas and gwindor escape the fall of nargothrond together a la merry and pippin, date treebeard’

[bisexualturin]

(via @thesecretwordsmith)

y'know i've been thinking about this and i think

jason blossom = saeros (first death, big sad)

cheryl blossom = nellas (goes a little coocoo bananas due to jason/saeros' death)

toni topaz = nienor (unfortunate kiss w/ jughead/túrin but she's dating cheryl/nellas now so it's fine now i guess)

jughead = túrin (connected to jason/saeros' death tangentially (accident by túrin, fp for jughead); big emo, dAmAgEd, joins a gang, eventually leads the gang, only wears black/grey)

betty = beleg (runs away from Good Girl™ status to support jughead/túrin, hAs A dArK sIdE (i JuSt MiGhT hAvE tO pUnIsH yOu vs like being a feared warrior who kills orcs regularly idk. also the serpent queen is a warrior queen so))

archie = finduilas (Nice Guy™ energy, cinnamon roll, leadership qualities, idk finduilas can probably play guitar if she wants, big bff energy w/ jughead/túrin, F I N N I E K I N S)

fred andrews = orodreth (Nice Guy™ except orodreth is useless and freddiekins is not)

veronica = gwindor (used to be a pawn of hiram/morgoth but is getting their shit together for archie/finduilas)

reggie = brandir (just kinda there to be shoved around, kinda sad, doing his best)

hiram lodge = morgoth (evil)

black hood = glaurung (serial killer, homewrecker, nice)

or honestly maybe kevin=finduilas bc sheriff keller was actually useless/incompetent lol 😜☕ and that's the tea sis!!! also I'm only 4 episodes into s3 so this might be off lol

Túrin is Jughead, the Gaurwaith are the Southside Serpents, and Beleg is Betty. fuck

[princess-faelivrin]

It’s a very abridged list of characters, BUT I wanted to make a post about my interpretations of some of the CoH characters despite the fact that Nobody Asked. Apologies in advance for 100000 blocks of text and yelling. 

TÚRIN

Call it projecting, ‘cause I guess it is, but Túrin has always been half-Asian in my head, in terms of appearance. I don’t know if I do a good enough job of showing it in my art, but Morwen reminds me of my Taiwanese mom and Húrin of my white-passing dad, so my Túrin takes after his mom. He’s stated to have grey eyes, so grey eyes he will have, but I tend to draw them dark enough that they almost look black. Aside from that, he’s tallish with unruly also-almost-black hair and a tendency to wear dark colors, which... might also be projection except for the tall part. It is what it is. 

Anyway, personality-wise... I mean this with all the love in my heart, but Túrin’s a dumb emo. Actually I partially take that back-- he’s a smart emo, smart and charismatic enough to be a natural leader with a good head for battle, but a ridiculous emo nonetheless. 

As stated in the Childhood of Túrin, he was kind of a weird kid, too old for his age and slightly unsettling, with a quick temper and an ability to hold grudges, but he cared deeply for the feelings of those around him and had a strong protective instinct for his little sis Lalaith. He’s also shown to have a leaning towards pity throughout his life, for anyone hurt or sad or at a disadvantage, which is really sweet and kinda makes me want to cry. 

Later on, Túrin is clearly pretty impulsive and can be ruled by anger, like when he smacked Saeros in the nose with a cup (which is valid) and lashed out at Beleg when he tried to give him bread. He felt bad about that second one pretty quickly, but I think it’s mentioned a couple times throughout CoH that people are scared of Túrin because of how quickly his mood can go south. 

On the other hand, despite the fact that he keeps directly and indirectly killing them, Túrin actually does really love his friends. Obvs he loves Beleg, and he loved Sador and probably Nellas too, and during the Nargothrond chapter he tries his best to look after Gwindor and Finduilas and try to figure out what’s making both of them so damned sad all the time. He fails, of course, because he’s too oblivious to notice the romantic tension so thick you’d have to use Gurthang to cut it, but he tries and that’s what counts. 

BELEG

I think it might just be because of fanart, but Beleg as I see him has silver hair. Between Beleg and Mablung, the consensus seems to be that one of them has dark hair and the other silver, so my Beleg is the silver one. I have actually no idea what color his eyes are, though. Hazel? Who knows. He’s taller than Túrin, that’s for sure, with long legs and broad shoulders. I like drawing him with a little white flower pin on his clothes. 

He seems to be a pretty cheerful dude, probably the most cheerful in all of CoH, which is good for him, I guess. He laughs when the outlaws see him and go “oh shit, who is that?” and lets them be in suspense for a second or two before going “haha, sike, it’s me! Beleg! I have food for y’all starving dudes.” Thus, he’s a good foil/companion to Túrin’s depressing nature and his death removes a lot of the scant happiness in Túrin’s life. 

Something I love about Beleg is that he’s very forgiving and just like... a ridiculously nice person for the situation. Beleg doesn’t hold anything against Túrin, doesn’t hold anything against Andróg either (which is pretty impressive,) and immediately decides to give Gwindor lembas and take him along for the ride after finding him under a tree in the forest. 

The big important thing to Beleg’s personality, imo, is that he’s very loyal (to Túrin specifically.) Despite being told it’s a dangerous idea, he goes and looks for Túrin in the wilderness, and even Thingol is well aware he won’t be stopped. It also outright says that where Túrin is concerned, Beleg “yield[s] to his love against his wisdom” to be with him. He’s straight up referred to as the most steadfast of friends, which is really sad because it’s like a sentence after he dies, but there it is-- Beleg is a good friend and a loyal one. 

TÚRIN’S FAMILY

I already mentioned the fact that Túrin’s family reminds me a lot of mine, which definitely influences my perception of them, but anyway: 

Morwen is a fairly angular lady, who has dark dark hair pulled into a chopstick bun behind her head and a pair of raven-feather earrings that gleam in low light. She’s the parent that Túrin got his unsettling edgy aura from, and her Displeased Face is enough to scare any intruder out of her house. She loves her kids and her husband, but she’s stern so sometimes it’s hard to tell. 

Húrin is the neighborhood guy who knows everyone and who everyone knows in return. He’s kind of a square-looking blond guy, like Van Hohenheim from Fullmetal Alchemist except happier and more of a jock. He apparently can play the harp, which is cool, and he probably has lots of stories from being out and about with the elf-host. He loves his kids and his wife and likes to joke around sometimes with Túrin because he’s so straightforward and less inclined to humor. 

Niënor outstripped her parents and her brother in height, and ended up the tallest of the family. She has her dad’s blonde hair, and is slightly more square shaped than her mom or her brother. She’s also half-Asian, but you have to squint. She doesn’t fight like her brother, and is acutely aware of the Túrin-shaped hole in her mother’s life and heart and the matching shadow cast over her own life. However unlike Túrin she is in some ways, she has the same occasional fiery stubbornness and penchant for anguished theatrics, albeit on a smaller scale. 

Lalaith... poor kid. She was charming and cute but didn’t last long. 

MABLUNG

My Mablung has wavy-ish dark hair in a similar style to Beleg’s, and has a slightly less willowy build, for lack of a better way to compare them. He’s got dark eyebrows to better express how utterly unimpressed he is with whatever dumb shit is going down in Doriath, and probably a few not-too-flashy piercings. He’s very dignified in posture and appearance, but not like... pretentious, because he fights people in the woods on a regular basis. 

Out of Túrin’s friends, Mablung is probably the most akin to the Responsible One, with Gwindor at a close second. He’s less willing than Beleg to drop everything for a friend, and requires more evidence to support it, but he’ll still do it after thinking it over and will probably beat himself up about not having gone for it sooner. 

On that point, poor guy takes too much onto his own shoulders and ends up feeling shitty and miserable when he fails at something that he could not have possibly succeeded at. This is demonstrated in terrible, heartwrenching fashion throughout the story, when Mablung asks Thingol to fire him because he lost Morwen and Niënor, to which Thingol says “what no, you’re too good, we need you” and Melian says “don’t feel too bad about it, ok?” (he ignores the last part and continues to feel bad enough about it that he looks for Niënor for Literal Years.) Also on that topic is the scene in which Mablung sees Túrin dead and stands there like some sort of Beleriand Benvolio, realizing that all his friends are dead and that “thus with words have I slain one that I loved.” 

NELLAS

I almost forgot her, can you imagine? You probably can, because she’s a minor character who disappeared like a third of the way through the story, but let’s not talk about that. She’s a forest girl, so I imagine she likes to wear a lot of nice leaves on her head, and/or make a bunch of flower crowns and then drop them in fright if anyone happens to find her in the process. She has dark brown hair and big, curious eyes, and is short and slight even by human standards. 

Nellas has... hardcore dirt lesbian energy. It’s implied that she had a crush on Túrin, but honestly, I doubt that very much. In my head, she and Túrin were just really close pals, and she taught him about how to live in the woods and how to rescue worms from the rain. Her moment of glory, basically, is going into the city once and immediately proceeding to freeze up from anxiety in front of the king. Is that a mood? Yeah and I love her. I hope she’s okay.  

ANDRÓG

I realize he’s another minor character, but he is a very compelling one to me specifically, so. As I imagine him, he’s a fairly lean young dude with a hungry-wolf look about him, which is sort of a mixture of desperation, suspicion, and plain snappishness. He has dark eyes and hair a little darker than what could be called ‘mousy brown,’ tied back in a short ponytail. He also has a frequent scowl and generally is a little bit scary, although he isn’t exactly physically imposing in the ‘tall and buff’ sense. 

There really is no other way to describe Andróg’s personality than ‘he’s a particularly mean tsundere.’ He’s just... full of rage and repressed Feelings for Túrin and possibly also Beleg. Unfortunately, these feelings manifest in Being A Bitch And Generally Not Nice. It takes him so long to admit he can’t actually hate Beleg that he literally just up and dies after doing one (1) nice thing. Why do I like him? It’s anyone’s guess tbh. 

GWINDOR

Ah... yes...... the character who nobody talks about but who I love with my whole heart and soul. To start off with appearance, the only canon things about what he looks like is that he has dark hair and looks older than he would otherwise because torture. Immediately post-imprisonment and during it, I imagine his hair is short, but beforehand and a while after, it gets back to being long. He has a bunch of scars from all that too, and generally has the bearing and amount of grey hairs as a substitute teacher who nobody listens to. I draw him with grey eyes usually, but saw @bisexualturin‘s hc of him having had violet eyes before and I’m kinda in love thanks. 

In terms of who he is as a person, we don’t know much of what he was like before the Nirnaeth, but as I see him, he’s always had a fiery streak and a slightly acerbic sense of humor. Being tormented for 14 years forced him to mellow out some, by which I mean a) how the hell are you supposed to keep your sense of humor after that and b) as shown in his arguments with Túrin over tactics, he’s now extremely wary of head-on battle. 

He’s fundamentally someone who wants the best for the people around him, and who loves both Finduilas and Túrin very much despite feeling hurt and miserable over the fact that his opinion is now worth nothing to those in charge and the sense that he’s not good enough for anyone (much less his two best friends) in his current state. Overall, his dying speech is emblematic of the very Oof Ouch and Complicated feelings he ended up having toward Túrin, namely “you’re a dumbass and probably should have listened to me, but I love you and I am going to try my damndest to give both you and Finduilas as much of a chance at life as I can, even here as I bleed out in your arms.” 

Which brings us to... 

FINDUILAS

Finduilas is sweet like honey chamomile tea and her whole being radiates soft sunlight. In my mind, she’s somewhat round-faced, with really fluffy golden hair, sparkly freckles on tan skin, and a liking for wearing light blue clothes that match her eyes. She smiles a lot and possibly gives off actual light??? Also my heart is full of affection for chubby Finduilas. General consensus is Soft. 

Canon-wise, whether she’s more introverted or extroverted is kind of up to interpretation, as all we’re really given is that she worries about Túrin when he’s out fighting and “wishe[s] not to add one tear to [Gwindor’s] suffering.” I tend to think of her as sunny and gregarious, with way more game than her dad, and with endless reserves of empathy, sympathy, and compassion for the people she loves. 

As a Finwean princess, she absolutely has the capacity for badassery, which makes me very into the idea of Túrin rescuing her post-Nargothrond as per Gwindor’s request and the two of them going on a road trip of doom. But unfortunately, we don’t get to see another side of her in the book. 

I usually just put the book down and cry after the sack of Nargothrond, so I’ll just do one more character: 

ORODRETH

Ok, so Finduilas has to have gotten her Vanyarin hair from her dad, clearly. But since Elves can probably change their appearances based on willpower to some degree, Orodreth’s hair is nowhere near as fluffy, and is a darker honey-blonde than Finduilas’ gold. He’s one of the plainest-looking Finweans by virtue of the fact that he perpetually has this look on his face that makes him seem like he wants to melt into the floor and go back to Aman. Which he kinda does. 

Unfortunately, Orodreth didn’t do much in the story except be a doormat to like five different people and then die, but I still like him for whatever reason. Way early on, before Húrin or his kids were a thing, Orodreth was still himself, aka someone who asked nicely for people to not make bad decisions, and predictably didn’t get listened to. Sure, some of Fëanor’s terrible boys took over his hidden elf city, but what was he going to do? Fight them? No. He’d rather just Not. 

...I feel bad for him. He literally did not ask for Any Of That. 

that’s all y’all, I am so sorry for making you read the entirety of the inside of my head as it has been for the past four months