#Eurovision 1969

[euroquision]

Day 3/4/5 of Demanding the EBU Remove Israel from ESC

Please remember to contact your broadcasters and tell them to withdraw if Israel is allowed to participate!

We are not going silent, we are not going anywhere. Justice for Palestine. No genocide in Eurovision.

[vintageurovision]

Pozdrav Svijetu [Поздрав свијету], Ivan (& M's) | Yugoslavia, Eurovision Song Contest 1969

[prclns]

Funniest eurovision wins i think [1960s eurov fans interact please]

[eurovision-song-bracket]

1969 Preliminary Showdown

“De Troubadour” by Lenny Kuhr (Netherlands) https://youtu.be/bbjvOYKnXLA

“Un jour, un enfant” by Frida Bocara (France) https://youtu.be/Az4Ef8vc6zc

“Vivo Cantando” by Salomé (Spain) https://youtu.be/1OK0ffX6DhU

“Boom Bang-a-Bang” by Lulu (UK) https://youtu.be/iWjpsKoPURg

[sonicskullsalt]

It's Eurovision week!

Let's find out the best loved winning songs from each decade, then make a final poll to find out the supreme winner of Eurovision.

In 1969, four songs shared first place. So, we need an extra poll to determine which of those four goes into the 60s poll tomorrow.

All polls will go 24 hours and will be tagged 'my eurovision poll'.

Here goes:

If you like, you can skip ahead to 1969 in this video and give them a quick listen to help you decide

[snowlessknitter]

The Moon Landing, for sure.

But the Eurovision nerd in me also wants to say the fact that Eurovision had four winners that year because there was a four-way tie for first place and no tiebreaker rules in place.

From left to right: winners Lulu (United Kingdom), Salomé (Spain), Massiel (Spain, 1968 winner), Frida Baccaro (France), and Lenny Kuhr (Netherlands)

[eurovision-facts]

Eurovision Fact #698:

Salvador Dalí did the promotional art for the 1969 Eurovision Song Contest, which took place in Spain.

[Source]

"Madrid 1969: Shared victory for Spain, France, Netherlands and the United Kingdom," Eurovision.tv.

[because-its-eurovision]

hey !! i was thinking about whether this year’s esc winner is already set in stone and the likelihood that käärijä could still manage to bag the win with a majority televote score …

i was feeling kind of nervous about it all but then i thought back to 2021 - (i haven’t watched it in a while so correct me if i’m wrong,) but did måneskin get that many high scores from the jury? I don’t think they got many 12 points there at least? (maybe just enough to get a rather average jury score i can’t remember)… they had some 12’s tho i think.

… obviously måneskin absolutely dominated the televote so i was wondering if there could be a similar situation in 2023 as to 2021, as 2021 had some hugely competitive acts and it was a nail biter up to the last minute ✨ (i’m tryna remain positive to manifest this win ahahah 💆🏻‍♀️)

This is one of those asks that lighted me up with need to answer with a thousand-word essay 😄 My take on why these cases are different and why Sweden is the winner Eurovision 2023 under the cut 👇

How to win with televote

Your arguments about Måneskin winning are correct. Italy got a set of 12 points from the Slovenian (neighbour), Croatian and Georgian juries but their average jury score was only 5,42. Both Italy 2021 and Ukraine 2022 won thanks to televote despite being only fourth in the juryvote. Here’s my explanation.

In 2021 the differences between jury favorites weren’t that big. Switzerland had 267 points, France behind them 248 points, Malta 208 points and Italy 206 points. Juries tend to go for artistic ballads but televote rarely shares that sentiment, so Switzerland’s “flop” was predictable. Malta is the biggest jury favorite in Eurovision history so their lower placing in televote wasn’t a surprise either. France did well in both components, deservedly so, and over all placed second behind Italy by only 25 points.

In 2022 Ukraine landslided the televote by getting exactly 200 points more than Moldova who came in second. They got an astounding average of 11,26 points from every country’s televote, and I don’t think we’re going to see a result like that for a while if ever. I believe that Ukraine would have won last year anyway, but understandably the war had a huge effect on televoters.

Sweden vs. Finland

Juries love Sweden. Or rather, Sweden has learnt to send entries that fit to the jury taste. These are the Swedish results from the last ten years: 2012: jury 1st, tele 1st 2013: jury 3rd, tele 18th 2014: jury 2nd, tele 3rd 2015: jury 1st, tele 3rd 2016: jury 9th, tele 6th 2017: jury 3rd, tele 8th 2018: jury 2nd, tele 23rd 2019: jury 2nd, tele 6th 2021: jury 17th, tele 11th           2022: jury 2nd, tele 4th

Eight times of ten, jury has loved Sweden more than televoters. Of those eight, they have placed Sweden in their top-3 seven times. Of those seven, they have won three times.

However, the juries' attitude towards Finland is very different. Since the juries came back in 2010, Finland has failed to make it to the final thanks to juries three times (2010, 2015, 2017) when the televote would have been enough for qualification. In comparison, here are our results from the last ten years.

2012: jury 12th, tele 12th in semi (NQ) 2013: jury 18th, tele 20th 2014 jury 7th, tele 17th 2015 jury 16th (last), tele 10th in semi (NQ) 2016 jury 12th, tele 15th in semi (NQ) 2017 jury 12th, tele 10th in semi (NQ) 2018 jury 24th, tele 21st (in semi jury 15th and tele 7th, thanks to televote 10th combined and qualified) 2019 jury 16th, tele 17th (last) in semi 2021 jury 11th, tele 4th (in semi jury 6th and tele 1st) 2022 jury 22nd, tele 16th

Why Sweden is the frontrunner

Just going into the contest, Sweden is almost guaranteed jury support. By looking at the results from previous years it is safe to say Loreen is going to be the jury winner. There is a slight possibility that we get a surprise jury winner like Austria in 2018 and North Macedonia in 2019. However, that would require there to be a clear jurybait song with great vocals, most likely a powerful ballad with innovative staging, and as far as I see, there are really no contenders for that this year. Who could surprise us? Switzerland, Spain, Estonia? Maybe Ukraine because their entry this year is so much slicker and more modern?

I'd also like to point out that in 2021 the jury winner placed sixth in the televote and in 2022 fifth. That is not going to happen in 2023. Loreen is a former Eurovision winner, fan favourite, charismatic, great singer and performer, the staging shows something never before seen on Eurovision stage (assuming they’ll bring the led screens with them to Liverpool) and Tattoo is already a huge hit so it’s not going to be too artistic or boring for the casual viewers. Sweden isn't even a country anyone would vote against for political reasons. I can’t see Loreen placing outside televote top-3. She can easily get over 300 points from the juries (average of 8,34).

Can we trust the odds?

There are years when neither the betting odds or fans have no clear idea which country is going to win, but those are in the minority. We’ve had some out-of-nowhere winners like Austria 2014 and Portugal 2017, who only begun to shine during the rehearsal week, but the way I see it that 2023 is going to be like 2009, 2010, 2012, 2013, 2015, 2018, 2019 and 2022 when the odds got the winner right weeks or months before the contest. As far as I can remember, the odds have always managed to predict a Nordic winner 😄

People have been pointing out to me that the odds might be wrong and Finland still has the chance to win despite being second in the odds. I do worry that the betting odds are failing us this year, but for a different reason. My concern is that thanks to the Käärijä hype that has been going on in Finland since January has made lot of Finns bet for their own country. In 2015 the night before the first semi final Pertti Kurikan Nimipäivät was sixth in the odds to win the whole contest, only to end up in last place of their semi.

It is not often that Finland believes in their own chances in Eurovision, but when we do it sometimes makes us blind for what is realistic. Not everyone making Eurovision bets is familiar with how the juries usually vote and how that might effect the overall result. Not to mention that despite Finland being second in the odds behind Sweden, their winning chance is now 40% and ours only 15%.

Personal prediction

Please keep in mind that I’m not an expert of betting odds nor Eurovision, just a fan with a love for statistics 🙃

As for Finland, just qualifying let alone a placement in top-10 is of course an amazing result for us – hell, we’ve never even qualified more than twice in a row! My wish is that we could somehow crack into top-5 for the first time ever (2006 not taken into account). There is a possibility that we could win the televote (depending on running order) but juries are going leave Käärijä outside top-10, which means our placing is around 6th/7th in the overall results. Juries rarely care about silly upbeat songs especially if they are sung in native language and based on that I see Finland going the same route as Moldova 2022 (2nd in tele, 20th in juries, 7th combined) or Norway 2019 (1st in tele, 18th in jury, 6th combined).

Sweden wins. Loreen either wins both the juries and televote or placing in second/third in one or both of them. We might have a different jury winner (Spain? Switzerland?) or televote winner (Finland? Norway? Czechia?) but it doesn’t matter because they both flop in the other component (still placing in top-10 though).

You can quote me May 14th 2023 🙂

[plus-low-overthrow]

Clodagh Rodgers - Under the Boardwalk (RCA Victor)

arr. Ian Green, 1969. Drifters version.

[myeurovisionsongcontest]

[cosmictap]

Things i’ve done instead of the work i’m meant to be doing:

- Watched the first ever eurovision (1956)

and by watched. listened* since there aren’t any videos of it anymore ^^

on my way to watch the 1957 one!

[vintageurovision]

Jennifer Jennings, Louis Neefs | Belgium, Eurovision Song Contest 1969

7th place with 10 points

[yourdailyqueer]

Marko Reikop

Gender: Male

Sexuality: Gay

DOB: 19 June 1969  

Ethnicity: White - Estonian

Occupation: Presenter, journalist 

Note: Has presented the Estonian national finals for Eurovision Song Contest and made a live commentary for the event.

[lifewithaview]

The Benny Hill Show (1969) The European Song Contest

S1E1

A man finds a good way of getting rid of his wife by the Ye Olde Wishing Well, but it works for other people, too; the joy of a recorded TV show is editing off the goofs, unless these are discovered later; a sound-delay interview goes wrong when the interviewee is not aware that her prepared answers are being given to the previous question; a newlywed couple on an East European country does not find bliss when diplomacy decides the frontier of the Russian and the American sector should pass right through their home, and bedroom; a tribute to the Lower Tidmarsh Hospital Service, with volunteers easily distracted by other matters, and the tribulations of outside patients as well as those in the infirmary and the operating room; Mrs. Fripp, TV Times' most loyal viewer, is interviewed by that commercial channel; the European Song Contest is hosted by Katie Boiler, and features singers from Italy, Spain, Portugal, France, Germany, Austria, Great Britain and Scotland (all played by Benny Hill), and the voting goes a bit wrong; plus songs by Benny Hill and The Ladybirds.

[nonenglishsongs]

Lenny Kuhr - De Troubadour (Dutch)

Lenny Kuhr − De Troubadour

[eurovision-facts]

Eurovision Fact #697:

The four nations participating in the UEFA Euro 2024 Championship for Final 4 (Spain, France, Netherlands, and England) also tied for winners of the 1969 Eurovision Song Contest, however, instead of England, the winner was the United Kingdom.

[Source]

"Madrid 1969: Shared victory for Spain, France, Netherlands and the United Kingdom," Eurovision.tv.