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Once on your lips, forever on your hips đ
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Brisk Broom: The risks of a competitive part-time job
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Gig apps trap reverse centaurs in Skinner boxes
Enshittification is the process by which digital platforms devour themselves: first they dangle goodies in front of end users. Once users are locked in, the goodies are taken away and dangled before business customers who supply goods to the users. Once those business customers are stuck on the platform, the goodies are clawed away and showered on the platformâs shareholders:
https://pluralistic.net/2023/01/21/potemkin-ai/#hey-guys
If youâd like an essay-formatted version of this post to read or share, hereâs a link to it on pluralistic.net, my surveillance-free, ad-free, tracker-free blog:
https://pluralistic.net/2023/04/12/algorithmic-wage-discrimination/#fishers-of-men
Enshittification isnât just another way of saying âfraudâ or âprice gougingâ or âwage theft.â Enshittification is intrinsically digital, because moving all those goodies around requires the flexibility that only comes with a digital businesses. Jeff Bezos, grocer, canât rapidly change the price of eggs at Whole Foods without an army of kids with pricing guns on roller-skates. Jeff Bezos, grocer, can change the price of eggs on Amazon Fresh just by twiddling a knob on the serviceâs back-end.
Twiddling is the key to enshittification: rapidly adjusting prices, conditions and offers. As with any shell game, the quickness of the hand deceives the eye. Tech monopolists arenât smarter than the Gilded Age sociopaths who monopolized rail or coalâââthey use the same tricks as those monsters of history, but they do them faster and with computers:
https://doctorow.medium.com/twiddler-1b5c9690cce6
If Rockefeller wanted to crush a freight company, he couldnât just click a mouse and lay down a pipeline that ran on the same route, and then click another mouse to make it go away when he was done. When Bezos wants to bankrupt Diapers.comâââa company that refused to sell itself to Amazonâââhe just moved a slider so that diapers on Amazon were being sold below cost. Amazon lost $100m over three months, diapers.com went bankrupt, and every investor learned that competing with Amazon was a losing bet:
https://slate.com/technology/2013/10/amazon-book-how-jeff-bezos-went-thermonuclear-on-diapers-com.html
Thatâs the power of twiddlingâââbut twiddling cuts both ways. The same flexibility that digital businesses enjoy is hypothetically available to workers and users. The airlines pioneered twiddling ticket prices, and that naturally gave rise to countertwiddling, in the form of comparison shopping sites that scraped the airlinesâ sites to predict when tickets would be cheapest:
https://pluralistic.net/2023/02/27/knob-jockeys/#bros-be-twiddlin
The airlinesâââlike all abusive businessesââârefused to tolerate this. They were allowed to touch their knobs as much as they wantedâââindeed, they couldnât stop touching those knobsâââbut when we tried to twiddle back, that was âfelony contempt of business model,â and the airlines sued:
https://www.cnbc.com/2014/12/30/airline-sues-man-for-founding-a-cheap-flights-website.html
And sued:
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/06/business/southwest-airlines-lawsuit-prices.html
Platforms donât just hate it when end-users twiddle backâââif anything they are even more aggressive when their business-users dare to twiddle. Take Para, an app that Doordash drivers used to get a peek at the wages offered for jobs before they accepted themâââsomething that Doordash hid from its workers. Doordash ruthlessly attacked Para, saying that by letting drivers know how much theyâd earn before they did the work, Para was violating the law:
https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2021/08/tech-rights-are-workers-rights-doordash-edition
Which law? Well, take your pick. The modern meaning of âIPâ is âany law that lets me use the law to control my competitors, competition or customers.â Platforms use a mix of anticircumvention law, patent, copyright, contract, cybersecurity and other legal systems to weave together a thicket of rules that allow them to shut down rivals for their Felony Contempt of Business Model:
https://locusmag.com/2020/09/cory-doctorow-ip/
Enshittification relies on unlimited twiddling (by platforms), and a general prohibition on countertwiddling (by platform users). Enshittification is a form of fishing, in which bait is dangled before different groups of users and then nimbly withdrawn when they lunge for it. Twiddling puts the suppleness into the enshittifierâs fishing-rod, and a ban on countertwiddling weighs down platform users so theyâre always a bit too slow to catch the bait.
Nowhere do we see twiddlingâs impact more than in the âgig economy,â where workers are misclassified as independent contractors and put to work for an app that scripts their every move to the finest degree. When an app is your boss, you work for an employer who docks your pay for violating rules that you arenât allowed to knowâââand where your attempts to learn those rules are constantly frustrated by the endless back-end twiddling that changes the rules faster than you can learn them.
As with every question of technology, the issue isnât twiddling per seâââitâs who does the twiddling and who gets twiddled. A worker armed with digital tools can play gig work employers off each other and force them to bid up the price of their labor; they can form co-ops with other workers that auto-refuse jobs that donât pay enough, and use digital tools to organize to shift power from bosses to workers:
https://pluralistic.net/2022/12/02/not-what-it-does/#who-it-does-it-to
Take âreverse centaurs.â In AI research, a âcentaurâ is a human assisted by a machine that does more than either could do on their own. For example, a chess master and a chess program can play a better game together than either could play separately. A reverse centaur is a machine assisted by a human, where the machine is in charge and the human is a meat-puppet.
Think of Amazon warehouse workers wearing haptic location-aware wristbands that buzz at them continuously dictating where their hands must be; or Amazon drivers whose eye-movements are continuously tracked in order to penalize drivers who look in the âwrongâ direction:
https://pluralistic.net/2021/02/17/reverse-centaur/#reverse-centaur
The difference between a centaur and a reverse centaur is the difference between a machine that makes your life better and a machine that makes your life worse so that your boss gets richer. Reverse centaurism is the 21st Centuryâs answer to Taylorism, the pseudoscience that saw white-coated âexpertsâ subject workers to humiliating choreography down to the smallest movement of your fingertip:
https://pluralistic.net/2022/08/21/great-taylors-ghost/#solidarity-or-bust
While reverse centaurism was born in warehouses and other company-owned facilities, gig work let it make the leap into workersâ homes and cars. The 21st century has seen a return to the cottage industryâââa form of production that once saw workers labor far from their bosses and thus beyond their controlâââbut shriven of the autonomy and dignity that working from home once afforded:
https://doctorow.medium.com/gig-work-is-the-opposite-of-steampunk-463e2730ef0d
The rise and rise of bosswareâââwhich allows for remote surveillance of workers in their homes and carsâââhas turned âwork from homeâ into âlive at work.â Reverse centaurs can now be chickenizedâââa term from labor economics that describes how poultry farmers, who sell their birds to one of three vast poultry processors who have divided up the country like the Pope dividing up the âNew World,â are uniquely exploited:
https://onezero.medium.com/revenge-of-the-chickenized-reverse-centaurs-b2e8d5cda826
A chickenized reverse centaur has it rough: they must pay for the machines they use to make money for their bosses, they must obey the orders of the app that controls their work, and they are denied any of the protections that a traditional worker might enjoy, even as they are prohibited from deploying digital self-help measures that let them twiddle back to bargain for a better wage.
All of this sets the stage for a phenomenon called algorithmic wage discrimination, in which two workers doing the same job under the same conditions will see radically different payouts for that work. These payouts are continuously tweaked in the background by an algorithm that tries to predict the minimum sum a worker will accept to remain available without payment, to ensure sufficient workers to pick up jobs as they arise.
This phenomenonâââand proposed policy and labor solutions to itâââis expertly analyzed in âOn Algorithmic Wage Discrimination,â a superb paper by UC Law San Franciscos Veena Dubal:
https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=4331080
Dubal uses empirical data and enthnographic accounts from Uber drivers and other gig workers to explain how endless, self-directed twiddling allows gig companies pay workers less and pay themselves more. As @[email protected] explains in his LA Times article on Dubalâs research, the goal of the payment algorithm is to guess how often a given driver needs to receive fair compensation in order to keep them driving when the payments are unfair:
https://www.latimes.com/business/technology/story/2023-04-11/algorithmic-wage-discrimination
The algorithm combines nonconsensual dossiers compiled on individual drivers with population-scale data to seek an equilibrium between keeping drivers waiting, unpaid, for a job; and how much a driver needs to be paid for an individual job, in order to keep that driver from clocking out and doing something else. @ Hereâs how that works. Sergio Avedian, a writer for The Rideshare Guy, ran an experiment with two brothers who both drove for Uber; one drove a Tesla and drove intermittently, the other brother rented a hybrid sedan and drove frequently. Sitting side-by-side with the brothers, Avedian showed how the brother with the Tesla was offered more for every trip:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UADTiL3S67I
Uber wants to lure intermittent drivers into becoming frequent drivers. Uber doesnât pay for an oversupply of drivers, because it only pays drivers when they have a passenger in the car. Having drivers on callâââbut idleâââis a way for Uber to shift the cost of maintaining a capacity cushion to its workers.
Whatâs more, what Uber charges customers is not based on how much it pays its workers. As Uberâs head of product explained: Uber uses âmachine-learning techniques to estimate how much groups of customers are willing to shell out for a ride. Uber calculates ridersâ propensity for paying a higher price for a particular route at a certain time of day. For instance, someone traveling from a wealthy neighborhood to another tony spot might be asked to pay more than another person heading to a poorer part of town, even if demand, traffic and distance are the same.â
https://qz.com/990131/uber-is-practicing-price-discrimination-economists-say-that-might-not-be-a-bad-thing/
Uber has historically described its business a pure supply-and-demand matching system, where a rush of demand for rides triggers surge pricing, which lures out drivers, which takes care of the demand. Thatâs not how it works today, and itâs unclear if it ever worked that way. Today, a driver who consults the rider version of the Uber app before accepting a jobâââto compare how much the rider is paying to how much they stand to earnâââis booted off the app and denied further journeys.
Surging, instead, has become just another way to twiddle drivers. One of Dubalâs subjects, Derrick, describes how Uber uses fake surges to lure drivers to airports: âYou go to the airport, once the lot get kind of full, then the surge go away.â Other drivers describe how they use groupchats to call out fake surges: âIâm in the Marina. Itâs dead. Fake surge.â
Thatâs pure twiddling. Twiddling turns gamification into gamblification, where your labor buys you a spin on a roulette wheel in a rigged casino. As a driver called Melissa, who had doubled down on her availability to earn a $100 bonus awarded for clocking a certain number of rides, told Dubal, âWhen you get close to the bonus, the rides start trickling in more slowlyâŚ. And it makes sense. Itâs really the type of shit that they can do when itâs okay to have a surplus labor force that is just sitting there that they donât have to pay for.â
Wherever you find reverse-centaurs, you get this kind of gamblification, where the rules are twiddled continuously to make sure that the house always wins. As a contract driver Amazon reverse centaur told Lauren Gurley for Motherboard, âAmazon uses these cameras allegedly to make sure they have a safer driving workforce, but theyâre actually using them not to pay delivery companiesâ:
https://www.vice.com/en/article/88npjv/amazons-ai-cameras-are-punishing-drivers-for-mistakes-they-didnt-make
Algorithmic wage discrimination is the robot overlord of our nightmares: its job is to relentlessly quest for vulnerabilities and exploit them. Drivers divide themselves into âantsâ (drivers who take every job) and âpickersâ (drivers who cherry-pick high-paying jobs). The algorithmâs job is ensuring that pickers get the plum assignments, not the ants, in the hopes of converting those pickers to app-dependent ants.
In my work on enshittification, I call this the âgiant teddy bearâ gambit. At every county fair, youâll always spot some poor jerk carrying around a giant teddy-bear they âwonâ on the midway. But they didnât win itââânot by getting three balls in the peach-basket. Rather, the carny running the rigged game either chose not to operate the âscissorâ that kicks balls out of the basket. Or, if the game is âhonestâ (that is, merely impossible to win, rather than gimmicked), the operator will make a too-good-to-refuse offer: âGet one ball in and Iâll give you this keychain. Win two keychains and Iâll let you trade them for this giant teddy bear.â
Carnies arenât in the business of giving away giant teddy bearsââârather, the gambit is an investment. Giving a mark a giant teddy bear to carry around the midway all day acts as a convincer, luring other marks to try to land three balls in the basket and win their own teddy bear.
In the same way, platforms like Uber distribute giant teddy bears to pickers, as a way of keeping the ants scurrying from job to job, and as a way of convincing the pickers to give up whatever work allows them to discriminate among Uberâs offers and hold out for the plum deals, whereupon then can be transmogrified into ants themselves.
Dubal describes the experience of Adil, a Syrian refugee who drives for Uber in the Bay Area. His colleagues are pickers, and showed him screenshots of how much they earned. Determined to get a share of that money, Adil became a model ant, driving two hours to San Francisco, driving three days straight, napping in his car, spending only one day per week with his family. The algorithm noticed that Adil needed the work, so it paid him less.
Adil responded the way the system predicted he would, by driving even more: âMy friends they make it, so I keep going, maybe I can figure it out. Itâs unsecure, and I donât know how people they do it. I donât know how I am doing it, but I have to. I mean, I donât find another option. In a minute, if I find something else, oh man, I will be out immediately. I am a very patient person, thatâs why I can continue.â
Another driver, Diego, told Dubal about how the winners of the giant teddy bears fell into the trap of thinking that they were âgood at the appâ: âAny time thereâs some big shot getting high pay outs, they always shame everyone else and say you donât know how to use the app. I think thereâs secret PR campaigns going on that gives targeted payouts to select workers, and they just think itâs all them.â
Thatâs the power of twiddling: by hoarding all the flexibility offered by digital tools, the management at platforms can become centaurs, able to string along thousands of workers, while the workers are reverse-centaurs, puppeteered by the apps.
As the example of Adil shows, the algorithm doesnât need to be very sophisticated in order to figure out which workers it can underpay. The system automates the kind of racial and gender discrimination that is formally illegal, but which is masked by the smokescreen of digitization. An employer who systematically paid women less than men, or Black people less than white people, would be liable to criminal and civil sanctions. But if an algorithm simply notices that people who have fewer job prospects drive more and will thus accept lower wages, thatâs just âoptimization,â not racism or sexism.
This is the key to understanding the AI hype bubble: when ghouls from multinational banks predict 13 trillion dollar markets for âAI,â what they mean is that digital tools will speed up the twiddling and other wage-suppression techniques to transfer $13T in value from workers and consumers to shareholders.
The American business lobby is relentlessly focused on the goal of reducing wages. Thatâs the force behind âfree trade,â âright to work,â and other codewords for âpaying workers less,â including âgig work.â Tech workers long saw themselves as above this fray, immune to labor exploitation because they worked for a noble profession that took care of its own.
But the epidemic of mass tech-worker layoffs, following on the heels of massive stock buybacks, has demonstrated that tech bosses are just like any other boss: willing to pay as little as they can get away with, and no more. Tech bosses are so comfortable with their market dominance and the lock-in of their customers that they are happy to turn out hundreds of thousands of skilled workers, convinced that the twiddling systems theyâve built are the kinds of self-licking ice-cream cones that are so simple even a manager can use themâââno morlocks required.
The tech worker layoffs are best understood as an all-out war on tech worker morale, because that morale is the source of tech workersâ confidence and thus their demands for a larger share of the value generated by their labor. The current tech layoff template is very different from previous tech layoffs: todayâs layoffs are taking place over a period of months, long after they are announced, and laid off tech worker is likely to be offered a months of paid post-layoff work, rather than severance. This means that tech workplaces are now haunted by the walking dead, workers who have been laid off but need to come into the office for months, even as the threat of layoffs looms over the heads of the workers who remain. As an old friend, recently laid off from Microsoft after decades of service, wrote to me, this is âa new arrow in the quiver of bringing tech workers to heel and ensuring that weâre properly thankful for the jobs we have (had?).â
Dubal is interested in more than analysis, sheâs interested in action. She looks at the tactics already deployed by gig workers, who have not taken all this abuse lying down. Workers in the UK and EU organized through Worker Info Exchange and the App Drivers and Couriers Union have used the GDPR (the EUâs privacy law) to demand âalgorithmic transparency,â as well as access to their data. In California, drivers hope to use similar provisions in the CCPA (a state privacy law) to do the same.
These efforts have borne fruit. When Cornell economists, led by Louis Hyman, published research (paid for by Uber) claiming that Uber drivers earned an average of $23/hour, it was data from these efforts that revealed the true average Uber driverâs wage was $9.74. Subsequent research in California found that Uber driversâ wage fell to $6.22/hour after the passage of Prop 22, a worker misclassification law that gig companies spent $225m to pass, only to have the law struck down because of a careless drafting error:
https://www.latimes.com/california/newsletter/2021-08-23/proposition-22-lyft-uber-decision-essential-california
But Dubal is skeptical that data-coops and transparency will achieve transformative change and build real worker power. Knowing how the algorithm works is useful, but it doesnât mean you can do anything about it, not least because the platform owners can keep touching their knobs, twiddling the payout schedule on their rigged slot-machines.
Data co-ops start from the proposition that âdata extraction is an inevitable form of labor for which workers should be remunerated.â It makes on-the-job surveillance acceptable, provided that workers are compensated for the spying. But co-ops arenât unions, and they donât have the power to bargain for a fair price for that data, and coops themselves lack the vast resourcesââââto store, clean, and understandââââdata.
Co-ops are also badly situated to understand the true value of the data that is extracted from their members: âWorkers cannot know whether the data collected will, at the population level, violate the civil rights of others or amplifies their own social oppression.â
Instead, Dubal wants an outright, nonwaivable prohibition on algorithmic wage discrimination. Just make it illegal. If firms cannot use gambling mechanisms to control worker behavior through variable pay systems, they will have to find ways to maintain flexible workforces while paying their workforce predictable wages under an employment model. If a firm cannot manage wages through digitally-determined variable pay systems, then the firm is less likely to employ algorithmic management.â
In other words, rather than using market mechanisms too constrain platform twiddling, Dubal just wants to make certain kinds of twiddling illegal. This is a growing trend in legal scholarship. For example, the economist Ramsi Woodcock has proposed a ban on surge pricing as a per se violation of Section 1 of the Sherman Act:
https://ilr.law.uiowa.edu/print/volume-105-issue-4/the-efficient-queue-and-the-case-against-dynamic-pricing
Similarly, Dubal proposes that algorithmic wage discrimination violates another antitrust law: the Robinson-Patman Act, which âbans sellers from charging competing buyers different prices for the same commodity. Robinson-Patman enforcement was effectively halted under Reagan, kicking off a host of pathologies, like the rise of Walmart:
https://pluralistic.net/2023/03/27/walmarts-jackals/#cheater-sizes
I really liked Dubalâs legal reasoning and argument, and to it I would add a call to reinvigorate countertwiddling: reforming laws that get in the way of workers who want to reverse-engineer, spoof, and control the apps that currently control them. Adversarial interoperability (AKA competitive compatibility or comcom) is key tool for building worker power in an era of digital Taylorism:
https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2019/10/adversarial-interoperability
To see how that works, look to other jursidictions where workers have leapfrogged their European and American cousins, such as Indonesia, where gig workers and toolsmiths collaborate to make a whole suite of âtuyul apps,â which let them override the apps that gig companies expect them to use.
https://pluralistic.net/2021/07/08/tuyul-apps/#gojek
For example, ride-hailing companies wonât assign a train-station pickup to a driver unless theyâre circling the stationâââwhich is incredibly dangerous during the congested moments after a train arrives. A tuyul app lets a driver park nearby and then spoof their phoneâs GPS fix to the ridehailing company so that they appear to be right out front of the station.
In an ideal world, those workers would have a union, and be able to dictate the appâs functionality to their bosses. But workers shouldnât have to wait for an ideal world: they donât just need jam tomorrowâââthey need jam today. Tuyul apps, and apps like Para, which allow workers to extract more money under better working conditions, are a prelude to unionization and employer regulation, not a substitute for it.
Employers will not give workers one iota more power than they have to. Just look at the asymmetry between the regulation of union employees versus union busters. Under US law, employees of a union need to account for every single hour they work, every mile they drive, every location they visit, in public filings. Meanwhile, the union-busting industryâââfar larger and richer than unionsâââoperate under a cloak of total secrecy, Workers arenât even told which union busters their employers have hiredâââlet alone get an accounting of how those union busters spend money, or how many of them are working undercover, pretending to be workers in order to sabotage the union.
Twiddling will only get an employer so far. Twiddlingâââlike all âAIââââis based on analyzing the past to predict the future. The heuristics an algorithm creates to lure workers into their cars canât account for rapid changes in the wider world, which is why companies who relied on âAIâ scheduling apps (for example, to prevent their employees from logging enough hours to be entitled to benefits) were caught flatfooted by the Great Resignation.
Workers suddenly found themselves with bargaining power thanks to the departure of millions of workersâââa mix of early retirees and workers who were killed or permanently disabled by covidâââand they used that shortage to demand a larger share of the fruits of their labor. The outraged howls of the capital class at this development were telling: these companies are operated by the kinds of âcapitalistsâ that MLK once identified, who want âsocialism for the rich and rugged individualism for the poor.â
https://twitter.com/KaseyKlimes/status/821836823022354432/
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The stranger with the doordash lol
This house is unoccupied and has been for weeks and somebody dumped doordash here
I think I had a good Halloween costume
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Well played.
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I don't blame him at all.
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Thousands of drivers for ride-sharing platforms Uber, Lyft and food delivery app DoorDash will strike across the United States on Valentineâs Day seeking fair pay, driversâ groups said on Monday. The strike call is the first since Uber and Lyft went public in 2019. Drivers will picket outside airports and Uber offices, two of the groups said.
#news#labor news#uber#lyft#doordash#strike#uber strike#lyft strike#doordash strike#delivery workers#delivery drivers
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Murasa is huntin'.
This was based on an idea by Lucas08SC !
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Talk about a BLOW out!
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what do you mean I sent katie marovitch three whole dollars because I was watching the Second Place game changer episode (the one where her venmo is featured) and she not only saw it but REPLIED???
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