#Discourse adjacent

[fourspiceblend]

Man I love Dimitri to death but it will always piss me off how he's allowed to heal during the actual story and become sympathetic to the audience once again while Rhea doesn't get the same privilege even though their stories are basically the same, everyone loves it when the young troubled man gets a redemption arc and gains back everything they lost but when it's an old hag whose trauma isn't easily digestible and who doesn't cry pathetically over being rejected by the player she doesn't get the same privilege and she either unceremoniously dies offscreen or her healing is relegated to an ending story blurb. I love how intsys treats women!!!

[fjorests-of-wildemount]

If you think Orym is "going dark" I don't think you've been watching the same campaign I've been watching.

[alidravana]

I'm really getting that vibe from some people in the 911 fandom where they only like queer characters when 'they are queer in the ways that they deem queer people to be acceptable' and in this scenario, that's when characters are gay only for each other.

Let Buck discover who he is without the need to force him into a relationship with Eddie - aka not everything needs to be buddie endgame. If this somehow ruins Buck or the show for you, well then, that's something you might want to reflect on a bit more. (And this goes for Eddie too)!

[afterhours-system]

not to discourse on main but FUCK doxxers

[ceoandslutler]

have you heard kuro dubbed in any language other than english? or in any other asian language other than korean or chinese? well i found a persian one and it's so fucking bad that it's hilarious.

(also stay tuned to find out why the persian dub of kuroshitsuji being so bad has directly to do with anti-shipping sentiment and puritanism)

i would like to politely invite anyone who's ethnically from/lives in/speaks the language of a country with an ultraconservative government to contribute to this post if they know a dub of kuro (fandub or licenced by a company) in their language to contribute to this post (agree or disagree that policing media causes a drop in its quality and accessibility in other countries) but let's keep it civil. if you are not from a country like this but have something to say, feel free to add anything on, the conversation is open to all :)

so i just heard the homemade persian dub of kuro's first ep made by some young people who sound like they're in uni (probs 18-23 yr olds), tears have been flowing from my eyes for the past 20 mins

(link under the cut)

to save time, go watch the bits i linked below or just laugh at the whole thing (full link) but don't blame these kids for being awful at this or just skip to the end of the post. as i said, there is a reason this dub is so bad and no official dub exists and it has to do with... anti subculture?!?*

but first, the funny stuff

ciel's voice is awful but just listen to the goofy dub laugh seb's va did at the start I'M FUCKING SOBBING (00:15-00:35), and also not ciel's va MOANING after the op song (2:35) ??? i REPEAT the woman who VA'd ciel was fucking MOANING, the YAWN was the worst part, dub team shotacons???

also SHEEL FANTOMHAYO?? THE KID'S NAME WAS DUBBED AS SHEEL FANTOMHAYO. (refer to 6:30 in the video linked)

now this isn't because we lack a 's' in our language (my alias is literally a persian name meaning shadow aka ✦sayé✦), we've just transliterated it as shiyel, but SHEEL???

the other guy calls him fantomhayo too (8:25) and the fantomhayo condition strikes again with sebastian's va talking about the fantomhayo hospitality at 12:40 ish in the video.

this is particularly bizarre because we do have a V in persian, please guys, use it!

please note: i have nothing but good things to say about finny's va... the way the va says "sebaastiyaan!" (12:43) is so cute <3

at 13:00, we get this golden crumb "meyrin... oh meyrin" from this college aged dude doing sebastian (who is SO lost) then he proceeded to say in persian "i beg you, ON MY LIFE, just pour the fucking wine in the glass and walk away" save me from the bad dub, ono daisuke, save me...

the furnace scene is just gold (18:50 onward is comical, the scream at the end... priceless), these people deserve an award, im tempted to do subs on this whole video because the translation is so wrong yet absolutely too hilarious to leave untranslated. also, i like how you can hear other people talking in the background constantly, they didn't even bother finding a quiet room 😭😭

finally i translated some of the best comments under the vid (everyone fuckin hated it 😭)

..tldr: irani/persian speaking netizens are brutal. but also, it shows that persian speakers are used to quality dubbing, otherwise this wouldn't be so offensive. if we were used to badly done dubs, the comments wouldn't look like this. many famous kdramas and jdramas and indian/turkish films have been dubbed. animated movies e.g. disney films and most commonly 70-80s anime have huge followings in iran and were dubbed extraordinarily well. in fact, in iran, many of our own films are dubbed especially if the original footage did not capture the audio well enough/the director was unhappy with the actor's delivery and it's usually hard to tell if this has happened because it's done very well. shockingly, dub is more popular than sub. so why does kuro not have an official dub? why is the fandub so bad???

PLEASE READ THE FOLLOWING

*IMPORTANT: an anime like this is not allowed to be legally dubbed by studios in iran because iran is under an islamic theocracy (the islamic republic) and all media that promotes devil worshipping and blasphemy is banned, homosexuality is too (anyone can tell kuro has homoerotic undertones, the homophobic heads of media would never let this queer gothic romance through). oh and trans people are "allowed" on TV but only if they're not vulgar/explicit (not even then, half the time) & grelle would not make it into the anime AT ALL. even if we ignore all the devil worshipping and queerness, sex is banned too (as well as lewd appearances of women), so season 1/2 & boc would never make it. oh and alcohol, bom would never make it. oh and also, women's empowerment is banned too so boa would never make it. when will it end? will someday everything be banned? sure looks like it. but isn't this what anti shippers want? i mean kuro IS problematic media, it never condemns people for having sex or partaking in drinks, not even murder is condemned.

moving on, the subtitled version of the episodes are very well done for what they are but it's still not good, you won't understand what's going on properly. meanings are lost. a dub is much more accessible to those who can't read subs and generally a necessary option. people NEED dubs. don't get me wrong, the iranian fansub team are dedicated however subs are much easier for fans to do than dubbing. as you heard, kuro's persian fandub was frankly terrible. these kids didn't even know how to pronounce ciel's name and it's NOT because of the language barrier, my theory is that because the internet access is so limited, they had to figure out how to pronounce ciel's name purely from the japanese original or another lang dub and had no access to the eng dub. as you can see, they are not able to follow the mouth movements either (don't have editing software); i assume the internet restrictions targeted streaming platforms w the dub on it (because the government wants to CONTROL what media people consume) so they had to figure everything out from japanese or another language, (they probably used another fandub to translate since the ed seems to credit the eng vas while they can never be heard in the bg) which is not easy. unfortunately english is taught in schools around the world not japanese so the dubbers' translation was quite honestly terrible- after all, they had no official script to base their translation off. BUT if a professional dubbing studio (e.g. iran's glory entertainment) got their hands on kuro, it'd probably be dubbed very well. if mehrdad raissi, CEO of glory, was on for seb's role, it would be glorious (pun intended). if he did flynn rider well, he can do sebs well too. but that studio often has their shows played on state televisions and the last thing they want is to get blacklisted and arrested for dubbing the gay demon butler anime. please do not take this fandub as representing all persian-language dubs. and remember, kuro itself is banned for being problematic media in counties like iran... no sebaciel needed (although anyone can definitely see the gay undertones to the story from a cover alone).

if you want to ban people from shipping things or making fan works that are problematic... soon you'll have to get rid of problematic media in general. and already, antis sound like the media people in charge under a dictatorship. "violence is okay, murder is okay but s-sex?!? women in scandalous clothing!!! oh good heavens..!" this is the kind of mindset which leads people down the rabbit hole of "this is problematic!! let's ban it!!!" until there's nothing left, a slippery slope. imagine this was the english dub of kuro. imagine it was banned in western countries and a team of young'uns had to gang up and make their own dub using only the japanese raws. imagine problematic media like kuro wasn't picked up the west because it's "shota" and that's bad. we'd be stuck looking at the same sanitised stuff and if we wanted to watch kuro, our options would be trash dubs (no offense) like this one. pretty scary to think this could be the state of the english dub if puritanism was as bad here as it is in countries like iran. policing media and deciding what creators should or shouldn't create will take you to the side of theocratic dictatorships and you will fall into alt right puritan lunacy, fanpoll are about as woke as a dictatorship, remember that.

don't sound like this:

NEVER sound like this.

it is clear that conditional freedom is no freedom at all. there should be zero criteria to the media we want to create, no religion or purity culture to it. just be media literate. let nobody control what you want to create or consume! (or you'll end up in a world where the media that is deemed "problematic" is maintained but only through underground circles, losing quality and accessibility day by day, until these channels are shut down too and only a sanitised husk of options for media consumption remain)

[this-world-of-beautiful-monsters]

I'm so fucking embarrassing over lis2 I just experienced a moment of pure, white-hot rage over a 2019 post saying that the first two eps were "nowhere as good" as lis1. I am Not making it through this hyperfixation intact.

[rosencrantzsguildenstern]

okay tgcf donghua is pretty whatever but why watch it before the novel and take all your cues from its aesthetic sensibilities when it doesn't even have a period pads commercial

[youngerfrankenstein]

Bad FE3H Discourse summarised:

Edelgard:

SHE’S LITERALLY HITLER AND EVERYONE WHO LIKES HER IS EVIL

Imperialism isn’t actually imperialism if they ARE inferior to you :)

She wants to beat the church because she’s gay, even though the church has no issue with gay people

Dimitri:

I’m not ableist BUT-

Rhea:

I’m going to make my personal experiences with a real-world religion everyone else’s problem

She’s not human so she’s bad

[dragondroid]

Sometimes I see an absolutely rancid take on this website and then I look on the person's profile and it turns out they're like 15 and it explains everything

[blessthosewhocurseyou]

Anyone else getting annoyed by the term USAmericans or is it just me

[missmisdemeanor]

sooo tired of people saying a woman’s love is inherently “purer” than a man’s. gender essentialism can die. also maybe i don’t want an aesthetic tiktok wlw picnic having relationship. maybe i want to get fucked nasty style

[solidwater05]

stop posting #stim content it's gross and icky

Blacklist the tag and/or unfollow me. This is my blog and I post things that appeal to me, having followers is just a bonus

Also, while I respect your dislike of stimboards, you should also respect those who like them, and saying that they're universally gross and shouldn't be posted is an asshole move and borderline ableist

[fjorests-of-wildemount]

The idea that the size and shape of a character's body type tells you their personality and general qualities is outdated, fatphobic, and frankly should be something we work against as creators.

[moved-to-piersgender]

Hot take: It's fine to have a thing for the anime prettyboy look as long as you acknowledge and accept that literally no human actually looks like that

[afterhours-system]

DID YOU SEE THEY REPORTED ME FOR “PEDOPHILIA” CUZ IM AN ADULT WHO HAS CONSENSUAL SEX WITH ANOTHER ADULT LMAOOOOO

I SAW ITS SO FUCKING FUNNY

[fourspiceblend]

Every time I come across a totk negative post it's the most low hanging fruit you can think about. "It's a botw DLC" yeah it evolved from that literally who cares?? "It didn't have that much influence" wow a sequel game that releqsed along the death cycle of one of the top 5 biggest consoles of all time didn't have that much influence as a game released along the launch of that exact same console I'm so shocked!!!! "The story sucks" I want you to understand the difference between story writing and in-game execution like yes the freedom aspect from botw is extremely overrated and the Zelda fandom finally realized that linearity works IN FAVOR of a narrative and not against it again what's your point??? Contrarianism has reached an all-time low literally just admit that maybe the game didn't appeal to you personally and your headcanons weren't validated and the game isn't perfect but holy shit can the circlejerk just stop??? the Zelda fandom is so extremely spoiled as a whole we get so many quality games with revolutionary gameplay and great music and lore and SO MUCH FANSERVICE we have sooooo many games that are tailor-made to appeal to fandom demands and we STILL complain like the pampered golden child we are Jesus christ. The game has actual flaws but you people wanna act like it's THE disappointment of the century like please touch grass and maybe stop acting like zelda fans are some underdogs that Nintendo doesn't care about god damn