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caligvlasaqvarivm · 10 days ago

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was rereading the convo dirk has with dave and was captivated by the subtle work done to indicate how very much this was not actually a good or productive convo for dirk, and a capstone on the toxic mess that is him and hal

in the exact same conversation that dave is explaining, and dirk is seemingly accepting, that beta!dirk/bro should not have been allowed near a child, dirk chooses to bring up hal. and he does it to be really shitty.

DIRK: Creating him was an interesting exercise I guess, but over the years I came to see his development as one of my biggest mistakes. DIRK: He sort of turned into a monster. But I could never bring myself to get rid of him, or even really blame him for being an asshole, because he wasn't actually that different from me.

like... hal is dirk's younger brother/kid, right?

that's part of the reason that when hal starts using a different color, it's dave's red. in one part, the orange/red split is evocative of dave/davesprite, casting dirk/hal as foils, but... i don't think the lil bro/"kid i'm responsible for" vibe is unintentional, either. especially when paired with the fact that the brainscan is of 13-year-old dirk, and that the words "nascent" and "emergent" are used to describe hal's consciousness, all implying an element of youthfulness or childishness to him that isn't applied to dirk.

hal is fully sapient, has real feelings (by dirk's own admission, too), and is also, like, completely his own guy. he's not a dirk splinter, he's a computer housing a dirk splinter, and he and dirk only think they're the same guy because their individual issues happen to perfectly align in the worst possible way.

so if you look at their relationship through that lens instead - a frankenstein/frankenstein's monster scenario (which is also directly and intentionally an exploration on parenthood) at best and dirk Pretty Much Actually Just Making A Child at worst - doesn't it become really fucked up that Dirk tried to kill him?

Doesn't it become really fucked up that Dirk is outright calling him a "mistake" and a "monster"?

the other really interesting thing here is when he talks about Jake - specifically, the way he chooses to "make it up to" jake. which is to say, he doesn't.

DIRK: I wouldn't be surprised if he was trying to avoid me as much as possible. DIRK: I'm sure that's for the best. DIRK: I think I need to stay out of his business for a good while, so I don't risk poisoning another innocent kid's life.

This isn't a solution. Hell, this isn't even an apology. This is just self-isolation, self-punishment, more of Dirk's martyrdom complex and teen boy diva bullshit.

yes, dirk hates himself, but the actual toxic loop he's stuck in is one where he doesn't address any of his problems. he identifies what his issues are, he feels really bad about them, he can enunciate them very clearly to other people, but then, instead of fixing them, he inflicts punishment on himself and then calls it a day.

We know that this is a bullshit thing to do to Jake because we know the situation from jake's side of things.

GT: Do you think you could relay the same sentiments to dirk? GT: I was thinking about all the stuff he said to me while we were all telling him to dance. GT: And yeah i was really being a prick when i ran away to lomax. GT: He was right about everything. I should have come clean about wanting some space.

jake wants reconciliation! jake wants to address the fact that he failed and apologize! jake wants to be friends again!

self-punishment is not a solution, and while I don't think dirk is entirely cognizant that he's doing it, by venting to dave - who literally has no idea what's been going on in dirk's group - he's able to frame the story - ahem, control the narrative - to justify his own shitty choice to not actually improve as a person, but instead to wallow in his own self-inflicted misery. If he'd said what he did about Hal to Jake, Roxy, or Jane - all of whom recognized hal's personhood and emotional reality to some degree, and spoke with him extensively - how would they respond? If they knew he'd tried to kill Hal, how would they respond?

The answer to that is why he doesn't tell them, and has got to be ticking in the background to explain why Dirk chooses to isolate himself from them. Put simply, I think the reason why he seems to think his friends never know the worst of him is because he deliberately avoids showing them. If he showed them, they wouldn't stay quiet, and if they didn't stay quiet, he'd actually have to... do something about it, instead of just indulging in some self-punishment and walking away feeling like the problem was solved.

and i think part of why he's so terrible to hal is because, on some level, he recognizes that he does kind of owe it to hal to be better. because, you see.

Hal is his kid.

hal's existence, hal's circumstances, and hal's suffering are a direct result of dirk's decisions, and hal is taking him to task for them. the things dirk really resents about hal are less the ways that hal is a reflection of dirk, though that's in there too, but the fact that hal is asking dirk to take responsibility. actual responsibility. that hal keeps confronting him with the fact that he's the one who caused hal's plight, he's the one with the power to fix it, and he's the one choosing inaction and avoidance.

TT: I'm guessing she's touching base to remind me about the party tomorrow. TT: I don't know what to tell her yet. Or Jane, for that matter. TT: It could get pretty awkward. TT: I have no idea if Jake will be there, and I'm not about to write another cringe-inducing message of desperation for him to ignore. AR: Would you like me to calculate the probability of his attendance? TT: Fuck no. AR: Are you sure? AR: My probabilities are extremely precise. TT: Your probabilities don't mean dick. AR: I could hack his chats, and determine what his plans are. TT: No. Don't do that either. [...] TT: Just don't do anything. Seriously. TT: No hacking, no calculations. Do absolutely nothing.

That's why Dirk takes such exception to the AI thing, too.

AR: In any case, my use of the responder responder is ironic. TT: It's not ironic. TT: YOU were ironic when I made you. TT: Then you became self-aware, and ruined irony forever.

then you became self-aware - in other words, "then you became a free-thinking entity and those jokes became reminders that your situation is fucked up, and i'm the one who put you in it". in other words, "and then you were born, and i had to be responsible for that". because, after all, the AI jokes that dirk hates so much? those aren't a reflection of dirk. that's all hal, baby. dirk can't use his "i hate you because i hate myself" excuse on that.

now i don't want to make it sound like i'm saying that dirk is a monster or anything. he does care, very fucking deeply, about his friends. and i think this conversation was genuinely very cathartic and helpful for dave. and it is, genuinely, very tragic that he does actually hate himself to the point where he finds it difficult to believe that he can get better, or even that he deserves to get better.

but those feelings have transformed into a vastly more harmful attitude of wilful, obstinate refusal to change, and even outright resentment and fear towards those that would ask him to. it's subtler than some of the others, but his convo with dave really highlights that dirk has not finished developing as a character yet. and i think it's really neat.

#hal strider #dirk strider #homestuck #homestuck analysis #homestuck meta #dave strider #The Striders:tm:#in this convo dirk also says that it's 'refreshing' to receive an 'honest critique' of his person #and it's like. lol what critique?#dave spends practically the entire time assuring dirk that dirk is innocent #and that he's probably an ok person because at least he's Grappling with whether or not he's a good person #but this convo is tbh the shittiest dirk has ever been so far #outright calling the autoresponder a mistake and a monster and expressing relief that hal isn't his problem anymore #'owning up to' his actions as bro only to be reassured that he doesn't need to meaningfully introspect or fix himself #because dave's like no its fine youre doing ok (dave literally only met him like 5 minutes ago)#he only craves a critique insofar as it can be used to give him the release of moral responsibility he feels when he's 'punished'#he doesn't actually want someone to tell him directly 'you fucked up and now you have to fix it'#because the last person who did that to him? he almost killed them. and that's why he isn't talking to anyone else on his team #because there is no FUCKING WAY that jane roxy or jake would just sit there and be like actually dirk it's fine you tried to kill hal #dirk it is totally ok that youre calling the sapient being YOU CREATED a 'mistake' and 'monster'#no fucking shot. i don't believe it.#and i bet dirk knows that.

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incorrect-hs-quotes · 1 year ago

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DAVE: just found out pickles are cucumbers i cant fucking breathe

JOHN: this is how i felt when i figured out raisins.

DAVE: ...............what about raisins

#source: @MichaelaOkla on twitter #bro definitely taught dave about foods. yes. dave was raised normally and with the knowledge of food #anyway why in the world would you do that to a cucumber. cucumbers are so fucking good #why would you ruin them like that. pickles are fucking nasty #homestuck #incorrect homestuck quotes #incorrect quotes #mod dave #dave strider #john egbert

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petpetpinixy · 2 months ago

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the good ending of dsaf 3 is actually evil imagine being dave and being so excited to move on with jack when all of a sudden he says he can't come with. imagine having to look his family (and steven) in the eyes and tell them he's not coming. i'm gonna thrup

#carter poast #it's less so the fact that he can't go and moreso the fact that he lied #and therefore dave would have to tell them. honest 2 god i think she'd just be inconsoleable #why would you DO THAT💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥FUCK #it's at least good drawing inspo. if i could work up the courage ← not the right word #i know i've posted about this before but it haunts me. fucked up

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deceased-madam · 20 days ago

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Clone Wars left me broken, SHATTERED!! 我TM心碎了！！！只是想把童年的愛好看完，而不是經歷悲傷五階段

This is the amount of tabs I have open after finishing Clone Wars. 好笑嗎？這樣鬧好玩嗎？好幽默喔 Order 66

#why would you do this dave filoni #i swear clone wars was just a silly show back then #back in my day it was all shits n giggles #sunshine and rainbows #sugar n spice n everything nice #now it's salt n vinegar n everything sinister #dave filoni I'm going to hunt you down #dave filoni when I catch you dave filoni #star wars #the clone wars #tcw #sw tcw

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greasydumbfuck · 7 months ago

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watched the 2004 punisher movie yesterday with pixie and honestly i had fun 👍 some stuff was good some stuff was eh some completely irrelevant stuff made me mildly annoyed. but most of all it was funny and they had frank hang around with his tits out for multiple scenes so i mean how could i not have a great time tbh

#marvel #frank castle #the punisher #its also the movie that has the frame that i found like. on a wiki or something? and that pushed me down the punisher rabbithole #maybe im insane but i REALLY liked how frank looked in that movie. lost. confused. profoundly sad. bare chest glistening with sweat #whats not to like honestly. i also felt incredibly bad for thinking this the entire movie because im actually going. a little insane #like lately i just feel generally bad for liking frank in that way at all. as in both romantic and sexual. just. im sorry frank really #so the entire movie id hide my face in my hands every couple of minutes going 'oh god hes so hot im so sorry hes so hot im sorry'#what the fuck is this kid doing #anyway the thing i also liked on a more serious note was that the death of maria and his son was dragged out #because it like. like it kept going. and going. and with every second we both just felt this sense of like. dread and helplessness yk #like you KNOW theyre going to die anyway. and yet you watch them struggle and. its such a specific emotion #my least favorite horror story from a book i had invoked the same emotion in me but worse #and it was called sth like 'the torture of hope' so like. thats the best description i can give #also the thing that annoyed me for no reason was joan being blonde. why is she BLONDEEEEE #SHE JUST LOOKS LIKE MARIA LIGHT THIS IS SO. STUPID #also poor third neighbour but i assume in this movie he had the same role as in the comic (none) because its the 2004 one #i liked daves vibe. seemed like the type of guy my friend karol would have us smoke weed with on her birthday #and also he was just like me fr

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phlegm--princess · 10 months ago

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my honest tierlist

#fart #homestuck #karkat harbors a deep respect for gnomes #i dont feel like explaining why i feel like its very obvious #he doesnt respect them cuz theyre like cute by the way its more of a deep and personal comfort thing #tavros isnt inherently gnomish but i think hed view gnomes as rolemodels much like he does with rufio #because they are free and happy and love each other #gnomes have no reason to have poor self esteem #jade is a gnome in several ways #she has some traits that would make you think otherwise but do not be fooled she is a gnome #nanna is incredibly gnomish. her entire existence is gnomish #shes a kind old lady who loves pranks and her family and she goes hoo hoo #jasprose is considered a gnome because she is a trickster its in her nature but shes a bit too mischievous #more like a fairy #if she slowed down more then shed be a gnome #vriska hates gnomes for the same reason she hates rufio #fake fakey fake fakes #i feel like you could reasonably argue that dave would respect gnomes for similar reasons karkat likes gnomes but i feel like hed be very #put off by gnomes #too close to puppets for comfort. their rosy cheeks are weird to him #aranea roxy kanaya dad androse would 110% be the type of people to own gnomes. there is no deeper explanation. this is surface level.#i suppose it could be deeper for roxy (both versions but particularly mom) but i think it can also just be casual interest #casual interest in the way mom likes wizards i mean #in that there are so many wizards in her house that its more than casual

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tourniquesence · 4 months ago

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what do I have to do to save rose from becoming the homestuck fandoms psychiatrist daughtermom

#just saw a take that was like “’rose would have been better off if dirk raised her because she has a more defined sense of self than Dave #NO SHE DOESNT SHES A TEENAGER #which. reading between the lines seems like they’re stating that somehow being more ‘mature’ makes you… less affected by abuse??#also she isn’t more mature than Dave. she’s just better at seeming like she is #reminded once again why I do not ever venture out into the broader fandom #not even going to get into the whole ‘let’s make Rose the team mom AND psychiatrist!’#rambles #NOT tagging this lol

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gibbearish · 10 months ago

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anon im not gonna post that one, not bc of anything you said dw, im just not 100% sure if we are thinking of the same person bc i havent been paying attention if the posts i saw all came from the same op, and even tho there's no names in either of our things i still wouldnt feel comfortable spreading that w/o having seen it firsthand. that being said, in the event that we are: jesus fuck???

#i have to wonder if ppl like that actually care abt the media itself at all or if its just a vehicle for discourse to them #like if you dont want to hear opinions different from yours youre free to not talk to the rest of the fandom but you dont get to #demand everyone else drop their interpretations and agree with yours #esp bc theres always like. an implied 'or else' at the end where the punishment is Being Called Transmisogynistic Disingenuously #and its just like . ok and? ur gonna do that anyways #anyways yeah. its wild #im reminded also of something i saw a few months ago‚ im glad it didnt metastisize into full discourse #but essentially i saw a few ppl arguing over like. 'dave kinnies shut up homestuck isnt an inherently transmasc story just #because it cracked a lot of you. its a transfem story period.' and im just there like 👁️👄👁️ hey lets all go outside ! and listen to #some birds!! talk to a friend!!!!#like. it . doesnt have to be one or the other?? it can just. be inherently trans???? or even inherently ambiguously queer in general???#if you are transfem you will see it as inherently transfem because we project ourselves onto art #and vice versa transmascs will see it as inherently transmasc #bc like. gender can be a large part of our identity and a lot of us grew up with homestuck being a large part of our identity so it makes #sense that a lot of people would closely associate the two‚ and in turn why people are extra defensive about it #but its also like. just bc it makes sense doesnt mean its a healthy way of approaching it yknow?#anyways. rant over‚ and again hope you dont mind me not posting the ask itself #origibberish #gibberasks #editing bc i realized i was unclear: i am transmasc not transfem‚ the 'our' in that one tag is referring to Everyone nendjsbf

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alvinmichaelmurphyseville · 1 year ago

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“Who let Warbie on Tumblr?”

“Come on, Theo, I know it was you. Let’s be real.”

“I thought the agreement was no Tumblr until he proves that he can handle not insulting Geizmo or making insensitive jokes!”

#alvin seville #alvin and the chipmunks #alvinnn and the chipmunks #alvin 2.0 #warbie #tumblr #blogging #WHY WOULD YOU DO THIS?#ARE YOU NUTS?#I NEED TO KEEP THAT KID FROM CAUSING A WAR!#OH NO….I sound like Dave

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giddy-on-out · 2 years ago

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When Dave Malloy Said:

"i will try to forgive myself for being absent in public, and bored before stars" or "it's time to get out of bed, and be the starchild I can be" or "i love the way you see the world, i love the way your soul sings" or "i am not a murderer or a crazy person, i just like honey" or "you know that moment right before you die is such a gift because you get to choose what goes through your head what your last song will be" or "i just wanna be a ghost and go woooo all night long" or "maybe there just isn't a heaven" or "i will transcend and vomit this loser out of me" or "when i was a child i used to play, play with all the voices in my head" or "cause everyone likes to be a little sad some of the time, and watch the rain on the windowsills" or "cause they're all soul, they are all soul" or "rose believes in the restorative properties of the ocean, in the importance of sharing meals" or "now i'm infected with disbelief and blasphemy" or-

#thinking about this musical again #dave malloy why would you do this to me #i will drag you into this fandom by force #this musical keeps me up at night #back on my bullshit #ghost quartet #dave malloy #musical theatre #musicals #malloysicals #quotes #out of context quotes #house of usher #rose red #the starchild

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tiktaaliker · 2 years ago

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oh no this is bad. I'm starting to genuinely consider changing my middle name to becquerel. please for the love of all things holy do not make this the one and only option that'll satisfy my highly specific requirements for my own legal name

#howling #see the problem is. I would really like to still reasonably go by beck #but do NOT want it as my first name #and also I need my first and middle to each have at least 2 syllables #and becquerel both makes beck a reasonable nickname AND has the right syllables AND a very good mouth feel #and man I could argue that it's after the radioactive unit of measurement #but i don't know if can handle people Knowing about how I first learned about Bq as a unit of measurement #because. you know #it's not like I'm naming myself dave strider or something but still. STILL #WHY IS THIS THE ONLY THING SO FAR IVE COME UP WITH THATS ACCEPTABLE TO MY OWN REQUIREMENTS #my only respite is that I don't have a first name decided. so I have plany of time

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cimicherrychanga · 2 years ago

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i wonder if psychic alien vampires enjoy my mental character analysis essays

#shut up dave #and do you think they agree with me? i imagine some are sitting there like well i see where theyre coming from but #i wish there were more arguments supporting it? more examples?#do you think psychic alien vampires HATE me personally. because i am projecting said essays into their brains #do you think. psychic alien vampires would be mad if i asked them if they think that in 'down with the sickness'#when leo says 'im your LEAST favorite' he said it just as a funny haha in the moment #or does he actually believe he is splinters least favorite son?#hey. hey psychic alien vampires? your thoughts on this?#IF you are a psychic alien vampire. would you please let me know?#would you kindly come tell me your in depth thoughts and opinions of me? please? id love to hear. and also can u tell me if yall mad at me #that last part wont really change anything but id be sads if u are tbh #if youre NOT a psychic alien vampire. this was private why are you looking at this.

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homoeroticvillain · 2 years ago

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i don't feel like people understand how insane my claudeblake obsession is, they have one interaction in game and we don't even 100% know that its actually victor...