#CW Discussion of transphobia

[iamnmbr3]

sorry, I'll phrase it better in the future.

Ok what do you think trans girl harry would change things? Dumbledore would definitely have Thoughts, and probably not 'approve.'

Canonically we don't know what any of the characters' thoughts on trans people are since it's not something JKR discusses at all in her writing. Certainly JK Rowling would not approve and if we take authorial intent into consideration we could then say that Dumbledore, who often takes on the role of author proxy voice of reason, in the narrative also wouldn't approve. Conversely, from an in-universe perspective we could surmise that given that Tonks has powers that make her able to choose her gender and given how easy changing your body or gender presentation would be with magic, being trans is so accepted that it's not even worth remarking on because changing your assigned gender is as simple as dying your hair a different color.

Though we could also argue from an in-universe perspective that the reason trans issues are not discussed in the books is due to such topics being considered highly taboo due to pervasive bigotry. Ultimately there's not much to go on so it all really falls into the realm of headcanon and whether in a specific post or fic the writer wants to explore transphobia in the wizarding world or not. You could do lots of cool stuff with trans Harry who faces no transphobia or with trans Harry who does. It's up to you.

[moongothic]

I love the crocodad theory a lot but I fear that the fandom will start misgendering him or respect the character less because of transphobia.

Oda have written queer characters before who are respected by the fandom such as Bonclay but for Crocodile its another story. He is their alpha male badass character and adding queerness to his character might make them mad. Not that I care about those bigots feelings but its already not easy to navigate this fandom without queerphobia being thrown in your face.

Ppl can digest a queer character who fit in the stereotypes but once they dont, its another story.

Same, people are weird as fucking hell and gross about Crocodile maybe being trans already, we can be sure it would get worse if him being trans was confirmed in the story, there would be absolutely no avoiding it

But at the same time...

Transphobes are gonna be transphobes regardless, and I don't want that to become a reason for any storyteller to not create trans characters. I don't want Oda to bend over backwards to please the transphobes when they're the ones in the wrong. If anything, I want Oda to just go all the way with the message of queer liberation and freedom in One Piece. Like it's not perfect, but it's already there, but it's so subtle many queerphobes have been able to ignore it this whole time and I don't want Oda to let them ignore it anymore. I want him to rub it into their faces so hard they'll start complaining about "Oda going woke"

And like, let's be real. If Crocodile was trans and Oda pulled it off just right (without falling into certain pitfalls that he's be stumbling with this whole time with queer rep), that could unironically be like. Great not just trans rep but trans masc rep in particular

Like maybe it's just the media I've consumed but trans masc rep is typically very non-existant and/or very much like Yamato, who, while valid as hell, might not be how many trans masc people want to be seen as by others (as in, "confused girls")

We've known Crocodile as a character for 23 years at this point, and for the first 8-9 years of that he was very much seen as A Manly Cis Man (like you said) without a hint of a doubt (until Impel Down). If it turned out he had been trans this whole time, that would force people to rethink how they view trans people.

As just regular fucking people

That person you knew for years turned out to be trans? So what? What does that actually change about them? It's still the same person deep down. Those are the things Oda could force people to think about.

And honestly? If that helped convert even just a single transphobe, or educate someone without an opinion on trans people, to just letting trans people live their lives in peace, I think it'd be worth it

But like, yeah. The transphobes are gonna be loud regardless. It fucking sucks, and I hate the fandom for it. But, damned if you do, damned if you don't, there's no avoiding it. And I think the potential positive impact would outweight the already festering negativity.

[metamatar]

Zionists love to ask me, "How would you fare in Gaza?" to which I love to respond, "How would I get to Gaza?" This first question, like many transphobic heckles that I have received from Zionists, is an Althusserian hail. According to Althusser (1971), the hail serves to interpolate the individual into the subject, to bring the individual into ideology. The noble identification of "gay friendly" Tel Aviv's gift to all queers is a hail—an interpolation of the transgender body into an always already indebted subject position, one enmeshed in a "cycle of debt." Under the Zionist economy of gratitude, the transgender subject is perpetually indebted to capitalism and the West for allowing her to exist. The properly delimited space for the transgender subject within this ideology is essentially one confined to an apoliticized space of pride parades and gay bars, but never the front lines of an anti-imperial or anticolonial project. It is a queer/transphobic assault against those visibly queer bodies who refuse to be properly disciplined neoliberal queer consumers—and transgender bodies are often the most visibly queer bodies and hence the ones singled out for attack. As one cannot return the gift to the one who gave it (in this case because the Zionist disidentified from his own queerphobia), the transgender subject is forced to pass it along—to Palestinians. Hence, the queerphobic Zionist can pass the gift of his racist colonial phobia as well as his queerphobia on to the transgender subject. The projection allows the Zionist to disidentify from the transphobia inherent in his hail. This is particularly important, since it is precisely the violent transphobia—"what are you?"—that is an incitement to vulnerability. I am supposed to feel vulnerable, afraid, attacked by this hail, in order that I may pass on that gift of death to the supposedly transphobic Palestinian.

Papantonopoulou, Saffo. “‘Even a Freak Like You Would Be Safe in Tel Aviv’: Transgender Subjects, Wounded Attachments, and the Zionist Economy of Gratitude.” Women’s Studies Quarterly 42, no. 1/2 (2014): 278–93. http://www.jstor.org/stable/24364930.

[mormonmew]

So my older brother shared this with my family's group chat:

It's a relatively recent update based on the date at the bottom being this year. Honestly reading through this just... Makes me sad.

People that have transitioned can't be assigned to be teachers, when I imagine so many of them have just as much insight on the gospel as any cisgender teacher in the church. Trans people can't fully participate in overnight mixed-gender activities and can only go to activities that match their assigned sex at birth, even if they would feel more at home among those whose gender matches the one they transitioned/want to transition to. And that's just the beginning of where they can still be part of the church but not fully part of it.

Maybe some bishops will receive spiritual guidance that will make things different for the trans people in their wards than what this outlines. But I imagine that will be the minority of situations...

[wishmaker-astra]

Also, you'd think that having complete body replacement would change how bigots treat you compared to those who didn't have the cosmos do their surgery. You'd unfortunately be wrong. And even if did do it differently, they'd still do it in novel ways.

Expect me to have low tolerance for you guys fucking around with this. Just kung pow penis him and move on if you absolutely must interact with him. Stop platforming him by replying to his shit in a way he can slip anything more in. He WANTS that, as those vulnerable to his shit are more likely to see it, and you aren't going to convince someone to stop being biggoted with online arguments, especially when they're in a position of privilege.

Ostracize him and let him rot in his hole like the pathetic sack he is.

[shu-of-the-wind]

this is the third fuckin time today i've seen people throw the "queer people were killed during the holocaust too shut up" shit at jewish folks so i will say it ONE MORE FUCKING TIME because i am TIRED OF THIS: the reason queer and trans people were targeted by the nazis is because the nazis were antisemitic. the nazis believed that any and all societal "degeneration", including queer people, was caused by jewish people and judaism in general.

cw nazism, shoah, discussions of shoah, transphobia, discussions of mein kampf and hitler's worldview, discussion of nazi legal theory, etc below the cut

the entire fucking reason that queer and trans folks were targeted by the nazi regime is because they were seen as a direct representation of the impact of jewish people on aryan society. magnus hirschfeld, who founded the institute for sexual science, was a jewish man. that is not a fucking accident.

hitler believed that the world was solely ruled by the quote-unquote law of the jungle; that is, people had to suppress any tendency for mercy or compassion in themselves and take what they wanted to survive. carl schmitt, a nazi legal theorist, believed that "politics arose not from history or concepts but our sense of enmity; our racial enemies were chosen by nature, and our task was to struggle and kill and die." (quote from black earth by timothy snyder.) hitler believed that jewish people who "introduced the false distinction between politics and nature, between humanity and struggle. . . . [that] ideas of political reciprocity, practices in which humans recognize other humans as [human], came from jews." (id.)

to the nazis, recognizing trans people and queer people and queer identities was a distinctly jewish idea. which is not to say it's not impossible that nazis would have targeted queer people without the antisemitism component, but their rhetoric was always interwoven with antisemitism and antisemitic racial hygiene arguments. you cannot separate the murders of queer and trans people during the holocaust from antisemitism. that violence was born from it.

[neechees]

Speaking of racist authors who's scalp I want decorating my home, but Rowling literally keeps pulling that thing where she backtracks the alleged meaning & intentions of her own work by saying "well actually I meant THIS the whole time" in the books to try make it look more politically "savvy" (in her mind) or steeped with meaning than it actually is, because she is literally too stupid and short sighted to actually write those things, & usually its also to try get out of some sort of criticism, & she's done this at least 3 times.

Like first was the whole "Gandalf is gay" shtick when this was her shallow, lazy attempt at trying to look "diverse". Second time was when she was like "well actually Hermione wasn't WHITE, I think she was Black" which, absolutely wasn't true considering she describes all her Black characters as being "tall" and athletic (which, Hermione is not) and she would've given her a stupid, obviously racist name if she always intended this.

But the most recent time was her allegeding that she based the death eaters off of trans activists? This obviously isn't true since she's already repeatedly talked about the specifically nazi & fash influence on the death eaters, and then when people critisized her for her antisemitism & lack of logic on how the death eaters operate, she attempted to "prove" this wrong by tweeting about visiting the auschwitz memorial museum (in relation to, again, it's specific influence on death deaters) to try insist she was sensitive to what she was referencing. If she intended this from the beginning, she would've brought attention to it because she literally just so stupid & knows it but tries to "prove" otherwise. So the whole thing example NOW is just her appealing to her fash t/erf clown crew to try seem more intelligent than she is.

[dogboyboyshorts]

i think the foundational problem that the transandrophobia crowd cant get past is that transphobes literally dont see us as men. they dont. they dont hate us because of our “manhood” they hate us because we dont conform to the gender binary. 

like yes transphobes dont see trans women as women either, but the way that transphobia affects them is by abusing them for not conforming to standards of female desirability, ie their bodies make them “disgusting” and “unfit for society”, so in the transphobe’s eyes the only other option trans women have available is to be perverts; which is nearly identical to how garden variety misogynists treat cis women (if they’re ugly, they’re a whore, etc). transphobia against trans men doesnt harken back to a wider societal ill against their gender the way transmisogyny does. we aren’t abused for being men, we’re abused for trans men. and since society doesn’t hate men, then, well, we’re really just experiencing transphobia. 

it seems like such a simple equation to me. like if a trans man were cis, he wouldn’t experience any bigotry for being a man. he may get hit with homophobia/toxic masculinity, sure, but his being a man isn’t something society is out to get him for, it would be his “inadequacy” at being one. if a trans woman were cis, she would still experience bigotry for being a woman. because society views women as less than men. NOT THAT DIFFICULT TO UNDERSTAND!

[zaritarazi]

also, i really need people putting their foot down about this, at the end of rule of wolves, hanne fully comes out as using he/him pronouns. he fully says he is transmasc. 

please do not use she/her pronouns for him. please do not draw him in women’s clothes. they/he is fine, but i was discussing this with your favorite transmasc doll superfan @clefclefairy and they very succinctly said “no one can use they/them until a trans person wants to wholly use she/hers or he/him and then everyone can use the singular they all of a sudden.” 

like can we please be more conscious of this. hanne gets so little content, it’s really gross that most of the content he has misgenders him.

[moongothic]

As a crocodile theorist. Are there any crocodile theories? You just can't get on board with it & why? I know from the previous post you've alluded that you're not the biggest fan of the Croco-Former Empress theory. For me, It's Crocodile theory about him/her being the former ex-wife of Whitebeard. Many people on the JPN side of fandom like the theory but for me the whole theory gives me the "Ick". It's not that I don't believe it or think it's Impossible. I just don't like it and don't think I could ever get on board with it if confirmed true. * I'm trying to be open-minded to all crocodile theories lol*

The short answer is that if a theory is based on some very blatant misogyny or transphobia I do not give a flying fuck about it, the theory is going in the trash, where it belongs.

The long answer because I got really sidetracked writing out all my thoughts about everything ever before I realized "I could've just written the short answer above and left it there." But I already wrote all this other shit so I'm not deleting it

Personally I'm mostly just interested in speculating about what might be the most likely theories to be actually true. There are theories(/headcanons) that could be fun or interesting on their own right, but if it doesn't feel Plausible to be canon to me then I tend to have little to no interest in it. As such, for me how interested I get in a theory depends on its "narrative value" (what would it add to the story and/or change if X was true?), and how well the theory fits in the story as we know it (is there lore to support the theory and/or lore that might suggest otherwise, if not straight up debunk it? How many hoops do we have to jump through to make the theory work in canon?).

Like for example, Croc is 1/4th merman. Literally nothing to prove it or even suggest it, but it could be kind of interesting on a very subjective level. This is my personal kind-of-a-joke headcanon, I don't actually believe it, the concept just facinates me. Then there's Croc is Rayleigh and Shakky's son. Nothing to debunk it, it would fit into the story fairly smoothly, but there's nothing to really suggest it and most importantly I don't think it'd actually add anything to the story. (Former Empress didn't quite make sense as far as the timeline went but that's been Officially Debunked so yeah hardly matters anymore)

Never heard of that Whitebeard's Ex-theory, that's. Yeah that's an option right there, huh. But honestly I feel about it the same way I feel about Croc being WB's bio-son (or having been part of WB's crew). It just doesn't really add up to me. For one, while we don't know the Full Story behind Croc and WB, I do feel like the fanbase could be overthinking the relationship those two had in the past. We know they clashed once upon a time, and Crocodile lost. It genuinely does not need to be any deeper than that, Croc's beef with WB could be just that personal grudge from losing and having his dreams crushed when he understood he was too weak to become Pirate King. Another thing is that "Oda based Whitebeard on a gay man he knew, thus it is very likely WB is canonically gay", but since I still can't find any source for that rumor (just another person casually mentioning it on Reddit unprompted, aka my only proof I didn't completely hallucinate that backstory), you have to take that with a giant pile of salt And last but not least, Marco had some very choice words to say about Weevil being related to Whitebeard (from chapter 909)

If Marco of all people believes Whitebeard never had a family nor biological children with anyone (let alone dated a woman), for one that adds to the theory that Weevil was probably brought to the world through cloning/in vitro (and that WB could indeed be canonically gay), but also yeah, that makes me HIGHLY DOUBT that Crocodile could be Whitebeard's biological son EITHER, let alone WB's *EX*. (To be fair, a lot of these theories are old as balls, far older than the material we can now use to debunk them, and yeah if you'd been a fan of a theory for a long time it can be hard to let it go (when Crocodad gets debunked I am going to cry a literal river and it will be called the Nile) so like, yeah, nothing wrong with the theories existing, and they haven't been debunked quite as definitively as the Former Empress theory was with Tritoma's official portrait)

But like, yeah, for the most part I tend to be quite lukewarm about most theories for one reason or another.

Rocks' son is like, fine (if you really wanted to add something more to Crocodile's grudge against WB then this would be a very smooth way to do that), I just feel like a lot of the fandom wants to make their Special Blorbo Rocks' son (be it Blackbeard, Dragon or Buggy), and so I'm kind of biased to take any attempt at connecting any character to Xebec with a grain of salt.

Miss Buckin's first son and Weevil's older brother is. Well it was one hell of a Reddit post I'll give you that. It did not convince me but I appreciate the thought put into the theory, and there were some cool observations there that did make me go "motherfucker are you onto something"

Croc and Mingo having a shared past. I feel like this mostly comes out of shipping more than anything, canonically we know Crocodile hates Doflamingo's guts and can't stand that pink menace, so I can't imagine Crocodile having ever spent time with Doffy before voluntarily

Shared past with Mihawk. Again, feels like this comes out of shipping more than anything, and yeah to be fair I am a sucker for CrocHawk (and those two seem to tolerate each other at the very least, perhaps even have some mutual respect). But based on the conversation they had on the phone when Crocodile invites Mihawk to join forces with him, the way Croc talks about Mihawk makes it sound like they're NOT that familiar with each other. Like if they had been former crewmates, would Crocodile be inviting Mihawk by saying "you were known as the Marine Hunter in the past" and "We're the same, we don't trust anyone"? Like. If they had been crewmates or something you'd imagine Crocodile saying something more like "You know just as well as I do that we're a menace when we work together"

Former Slave + Branding was on his left hand. Discussed in the past how it could be a smidge too repetetive for THREE of the Warlords to have been former slaves. Also, now I could be just remembering poorly but I'm not sure we've ever seen anyone get branded on their limbs, just their torso? Which would make sense, the Tenryuubito putting their branding on a limb would make it ""easy to get rid of"", where as on the torso you either have to tattoo over it or remove a huge chunk of skin entirely. But yes my main hung up is Hancock and Kuma already being there

Crocodile had a sister who is Luffy's mom. I've talked about how stupid and pointless that would be. C'mon.

Crocodile's secret is that he had a crush on Girl Mode Ivankov/slept with her and is embarassed about it. That's just plain transmisogyny I hate the OP fandom so much

There's obviously other theories, ones I can't remember at the top of my head at the moment, but you get the idea. Most of these theories I feel just don't really add much to the narrative (at first glance at least), and even if they did I feel the lore makes the theory dubious/weak (sometimes for meta-reasons)

This is kinda why I'm so Unhinged about Crocodad specifically, because although it does require us to jump through some hoops and make some wild assumptions just to make it work (shit like "Dragon never told his name to Croc" etc), those hoops aren't too out-of-the-question within the story already, and some of them I feel fit into the existing lore really well (like Croc being openly trans explaining how Ivankov rose to fame as a miracle worker, etc)

Sorry this got so long and rambly. But yeah, as I said, the only theories I straight up dislike are the ones that're just platantly misogynistic and transphobic, the ones you'd throw in the garbage without a second thought anyways (like "Crocodile became a man because the scar on his face made him an ugly woman" or "being a woman is weak so he came a man to escape being a weak woman" like that's not how being trans works, is very misogynistic and transphobic, jesus fuck), you get the idea

[roxtron]

oh no i'm about to talk about trans representation in a way that might annoy some people. Obviously this discussion should have context, so, within the context of people arguing if Gwen is or isn't trans.. I saw this.

To summarize for people who don't want to/can't read what's in the screenshot, the basic point of this person's argument is that it would actually be better for the LGBT+ community for Gwen to be an ally.. And that it would somehow be worse if she was trans herself. So naturally I'm gonna make an entire post ranting about it for as long as I want to, because this is bullshit. First off, I don't think there is ever going to be a scenario where trans people themselves will be more happy to see a character as a trans ally than to see a trans character. That's just.. no. Second off, even if we're following the logic of the comment, that allies voices and representation are somehow more important than trans people's voices and representation- Simply by the fact that allies are viewed as more 'normal' by society- I can't even write this as one solid sentence, it's just such an awful point. I thought we've gone through this enough times that you're not inherently special for being an ally, you don't need ally representation more than trans people need representation, it's literally just "congrats! you're not a transphobic asshole and are doing the bare minimum to being a decent human being." I think the community has already had enough of cishet allies trying to insert themselves into the community solely because they're allies. (Example, people trying to claim the 'A' in 'LGBTQIA+' is for 'Ally.' Obviously it's not. There's multiple identities that start with A that the acronym is for. Asexual, aromantic, agender, etc.) Either way the point about allies being better voices simply because they're only allies is just making the problem worse. The only reason the community needs allies voices in any way is because transphobes won't listen to trans people themselves. They'll only listen to the voices of allies, if they bother to listen at all. Giving more ally voices isn't going to have the same impact as making trans voices louder. They're not going to stop seeing us as freaks just because you say we're not, they're just going to be annoyed with you too for 'siding' with us. As good as allies may have intentions they can't and shouldn't speak for our experiences. And if only the voices of allies are heard, there's going to be a huge piece missing during discussions like this. But even beyond that, who says representation has to be for getting transphobes to accept us anyway? Why can't we just have representation to make us happy? Why is furthering fighting transphobes more valuable than making trans people feel seen and understood? I just wanna end this by saying: I'm tired of seeing takes like this. You claim to be allies, but if you are, why does the thought of Gwen being trans make you that upset? Why is it such a big deal to some of you if she is?

[alertarchitect]

I genuinely do not understand The Discourse around Palworld. Now, for full transparency, I don't really particularly care about the game, I've not played it, nor do I plan to. I'd rather stick with my FPS games and metroidvanias. I'm probably the closest to being a neutral party on the issue you can find in the gaming community. That being said...

Stop with all of the "[Megacompany X] needs to call their lawyers!!" nonsense. Yes, they have designs that look like Pokémon. Yes, they have designs that look like Monster Hunter monsters. However, I have one important question here...

Why the hell do you care?

First off, we're talking ripoff designs of IPs owned by companies that make profits in the billions. These companies, especially Nintendo, have - or at least have access to - very good lawyers. Do you really think Palworld - a game made by a company based in Japan, the SAME COUNTRY as the companies I see people saying are having their designs stolen, meaning this theoretical lawsuit would be 100% domestic instead of bringing the headaches associated with an international suit - would have made it to release if Nintendo, Capcom, or any other company had standing for a plagiarism lawsuit? Especially when Japan doesn't have fair use laws? That, to me, already tells me these designs are clearly in the "legally distinct ripoff" category, and that's okay. Obviously plagiarism isn't a good thing, but if this was close enough to be considered such under laws that don't include fair use provisions, it's FINE. Even if it's not the most ethical, ripoffs and bootlegs are gonna happen. This one is just has more publicity than most.

Second, these are - again - billion-dollar companies that make more money than most people can even truly comprehend. Why are you defending them so much? No matter how much I may like the older Pokémon games, such as Platinum, we are talking about one of, if not the single most profitable franchise on the fucking PLANET. Not only does it not need Random Schmuck #582183 to defend it online, the people behind it likely don't fucking CARE. The Pikémon Company is like 50% or more owned by Nintendo, which is a company that - as we've seen time and again with their takedowns of passionate fan projects with 0 profit incentive such as AM2R as well as their draconian YouTube content policies for creators - doesn't care about their fans at the best of times, and is actively hostile towards them more often than not. Why do so many people defend these large corporations like doing so is going to get you a "thank you" letter from Miyamoto? Why are you supporting massive billionaires like your life depends on it over some 3D models that, as previously established, are more in the "legally distinct ripoff" category than anything else? Are you so invested in their corporate wellbeing that you feel the need to try and do their PR & legal teams' jobs for them?

At the end of the day, Palworld is a game made by a team that seems genuinely passionate about their craft, that has been a fun experience for many people across the world. Let those people have their fun. And if the designs being ripoffs is such a problem for you, just don't buy the game. Simple as that. If you're that worried, let the notoriously litigious companies like Nintendo handle it. Don't try to be an ass to people just having fun in a video game. Hell, if you're so convinced this is a case of direct plagiarism, just stop supporting the people making stuff about it like we did with the people who played the Shitty Wizard Game. Obviously this issue is nowhere near as bad, as it's just a case of ripoff designs instead of people financially supporting an anti-semitic, racist TERF who sees financial support of her franchise as support for her ideals and uses the platform that gives to call for things like trans genocide, but the principle is the same in practice - just don't support it or anything to do with it, and chill the hell out.

[knightotoc]

The Poor Little Rich Girl (1917) ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️: Mary Pickford, a 25-year-old Canadian, plays a 10-year-old New Yorker thanks to the power of silent movie magic. At one point, she lashes out against her miserable upbringing and is punished by being force-masculinized because of her dad's own gender trauma.

She quickly embraces the costume (there's even a very 2018 "it has pockets!" moment), and gets into a mud fight with the street boys. Of course, she is soon punished again, and cries with grief for her brief moment of cross-dressing class-traitor freedom.

The scenario isn't "good lbgt representation" (none of these are), but it is a bizarre glimpse into turn-of-the-century gender roles. The entire film has a tonal dissonance you don't see anymore (whimsical proto-Wizard-of-Oz dream sequences include one of her dad committing suicide), and this subplot in particular seems especially tragic and cruel from a modern point of view.

The Dream Lady (1918) ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️: Rosamund Gilbert becomes an independently wealthy woman and decides to move to a cottage and make her neighbors' dreams come true. Sydney Brown makes a "bold request," to spend her vacation as a boy, and Rosamund sets her up in an adorable dress-up sequence.

Sydney makes friends at da club with James Mattison, and they walk around arm-in-arm as boys do. But when her vacation is over, Sydney retransforms into a woman, prompting "pal" James to say, "I've seen people go through changes in their life, but never anything like this!"

There is another movie from the same year but from Germany called "I Don't Want to Be a Man," in which this I-thought-you-were-a-guy romance subplot is the main plot (and there's hilarious drunk makeouts). I recommend both movies since they are just lovely and very funny, even though it is sad about the cisheteronormativity. It isn't too much of a reach to interpret that these couples would consider themselves trans and gay in their private lives, even as they present straight in public.

There are 6 more movies on my Letterboxd list with this theme, so I might add them on to this post. Even though these movies were made later in the time, they aren't necessarily more progressive.

[deer-trees]

I do truly hate this topic but I will not lie as a Jewish person the level of jokes being made by some ppl abt the antisemitism in a certain local terf author's video game are just feeling like they wanted to make references to every possible antisemitic dog whistle and joke that the game is doing it, and I'm here like "haha very funny guys how many of you are also actually jewish 🔪" bc this many goyim saying "heehee the devs would prefer a rating of 14/88" does NOT sit right with me at all!!! Shut the fuck up!!!!!

[wienervulture]

i can’t make this shit up man

[vague-humanoid]

JACKSONVILLE, Fla. — It's an unseasonably cool January evening. Helicopters buzz overhead as a NFL playoff game gets underway. In a downtown alley not far from the stadium, masked men have their sights on the 37-story Wells Fargo Center.

Two of the men wear white gaiters with the acronym of their white nationalist group, National Socialist Florida, written in the typeface of German WW II propaganda posters. One of the men kneels down in the alley and takes off his backpack. He removes a commercial grade laser projector that retails for about $3,000. Smaller than a loaf of bread, compact, powerful and mobile.

Josh Nunes, the leader of the small band of white nationalist extremists, keeps a lookout for police while the other man aims the laser onto the skyscraper, careful to avoid helicopters flying overhead and possible detection. He projects a rolling ticker tape onto the building that reads, "Why are child friendly drag shows legal? @ Ron DeSantis." Nunes cranes his neck to see how it looks.