#cw nazis

[hamletthedane]

there was famously a whole poem about this

I want you to remember:

The fascists hate you too and they just will pretend otherwise until after they've killed the rest of us, before they turn on you.

[foone]

I want you to think about this as a writing exercise, not a poll about your personal morals/politics.

So imagine you find a crashed time travel attack drone. It's got enough fuel left for one last trip: you tell it when and where, it warps through time, and now it's got about the equivalent firepower of an helicopter gunship.

So you could shoot a person, a crowd, level a smallish building, take out an entire meeting room, sink a boat, crash a plane, or blow up a car.

Where, in all of time and space, do you think would be best to send this thing to change the past?

I was sorta assuming "for the better", but if you just want to see the world burn, feel free to suggest chaotic options.

Any ideas where you'd best us this power? I mean, the obvious one is blow up Hitler. Maybe fire on the Beer Hall Putsch? That'd get him and much of the Nazi leadership as well, and all before Hitler got national headlines.

But I'm wondering if there's was a meeting sometime in history with a bunch of particularly bad people where you could take 'em all out at once for a better "return on investment".

[shyjusticewarrior]

So I work retail. When they no longer need someone they called for, they say "cancel [employee name]" on intercom. And it got me thinking what if the batfam did that.

Tim: Cancel Red Hood.

Duke: Damn, what'd he do? Naziism?

Jason: What- I have killed nazis. I'll kill one right now!

[velvetvexations]

tbh we should call people who call others "theyfab" what they are: channers. like, sorry you clearly just switched sites and didn't bother to also stop using the Neonazi Cesspool Website Lingo, but it clearly identifies you as a 4chan (ex-)user.

No, but see, then it's bad because you're calling trans women - it's always "trans women," like all trans women, anything you say about a trans woman is about All Trans Women - Nazis. Like idk I wasn't calling anyone a Nazi. Most people on 4chan aren't Nazis but most of them are cool with slurs and you're using a slur that was coined on 4chan so I don't actually think there's anything wrong with speculating about you being an active participant in 4chan culture at some point in your life. If I call you a 4channer and you get hyper-defensive about how not-a-Nazi you are and always have been, that's very concerning!

[whirlpool-blogs]

hi have we talked about gale recreating russelsheim as some kind of headfucky experiential therapy. bucky on his hands and knees on the floor while gale fucks him from behind, a gun pointed to the back of john’s head. he’s calling him terrorflieger and schwein and john is shaking so badly his ankle bones are rattling against the floor but he’s whispering, eyes squeezed shut, that’s me, that’s what i am. and then at the end of it all, gale pulls the trigger and there’s an empty click at john’s head and john cries out so loud it’s like he really is dying. and then gale pulls him into his arms and says, see, you’re alive, you’re alive

[anghraine]

Christmas/Hanukkah was kind of wild, but mostly really fun.

For context, my current household includes me (agnostic grey-ace white lesbian raised Mormon); J, my best friend since middle school (Jewish atheist cishet dude); Kh, his girlfriend and my best friend from grad school (a bisexual, South Asian-American Muslim woman); and J's own best friend from grad school, Ash (agnostic Evangelical-raised queer white woman, all other details redacted). This is the first time we've all been together at this time of year, and after spending hours of Christmas Eve doing Christmas-type stuff w/ my parents, we all wanted a respite from 24/7 Christian stuff that all of us have visceral associations with and everyone wanted to support J in celebrating Hanukkah in whatever way seemed right to him.

So J lit his menorah, we got Chinese-American takeout, and J decided what he really wanted to do afterwards, all things considered, was watch Raiders of the Lost Ark.

me: for the Nazi punching?

J: for the Nazi melting. And explosions. It's the Festival of Lights, after all :D

Kh made some joke about the scene being lit when some of the Nazis ended up getting doused in gasoline and lit on fire (I'd forgotten that part!), and we were like... does that count as foreshadowing??? And of course we eventually got to the highlight of the film, the Ark melting the Nazis' (and the one French collaborator villain's) faces right off with undead spirit fog. And then it morphs into a pillar of flame piercing the stormy heavens (the Ark was earlier described as a radio signal to/from God), all while sparing Indy (who properly has his eyes closed and insisted on Marion doing likewise)

me: Huh, looks like God had some opinions on all this!

J: ♪ Hava nagila ♪

[meyerlansky]

>vent about antisemitism in the hbo war fandom last night

>wake up and check activity page

>"oh a few new likes on my mota gifsets from a blog i don't recognize! ...and they followed and unfollowed very quickly. hm."

>check their blog

>literal neonazi shit two posts down

this is what i'm fucking talking about. if you're going to participate in a fanbase for a piece of media that deals directly with wwii in europe, you need to get way better at recognizing neofash propaganda, especially the flavor that valorizes the american war machine and uses media that does the same valorizing—like every hbowar installment—to further their rhetoric. you need to be thinking much more critically about the ways groups like this are using rising antisemitism to disseminate genocidal beliefs to people who otherwise wouldn't find those ideas palatable. you need to be a lot more fucking careful. there is a neonazi presence on this website, and fascist groups WANT images like those in the post i'm talking about to spread without commentary to solidify their ideas in public discourse. you need to be able to recognize it when you see it, and you need to be not only prepared and willing but ACTIVELY SEEKING to shut it the fuck down immediately.

in terms of practical things you can do to learn to recognize fash and nazi propaganda, this document is a good starting point, though it's from 2021 and some of the entries are dated. online fash iconography co-opts things—like the american war machine, as mentioned—that will make it easier for nonfash people to digest, and can be very quick to shift to stay ahead of the public awareness that it IS in fact fascist. staying aware not a one-and-done thing. you have to keep doing it.

[anarchotolkienist]

I watched an introduction to the World of Darkness setting Hunter, which makes the case that it's a game about being a punk - the isolation that comes with being one of the few people who see the oppression of the world for what it is and doing something about it, when noone can be trusted to help you and you are the only people who seemingly care which can then cash out as hating the humanity you're supposed to protect because they feel complicit, and so on. I sort of get it, for an experience of really annoying 90s hardcore who takes The Scene and Punk, Man, way more seriously than it deserves, but I also feel like it's way closer to the Nazi Punk experience than any normal ones.

The whole experience of the world being that it's run by monsters who only seem human even through they aren't, that you can't fight back against except by cleansing it (the title is even, probably (?) by accident, the title of the pre-eminent neo-Nazi serial killer novel) but you'll be seen as a murderer, finding connection with other people who have Seen it online and only online (what is Hunter-net but Stormfront? However much I dislike the punk scene, normal punks hardly go about finding their political community on a forum, they do so at gigs and in bands, parts of the scene. Only the Nazis really prominently featured the forum as an organising tool). Like the theming to me really strongly implies that you're a neo-Nazi in a world where neo-Nazism is just kind of ontologically correct (because there actually is a conspiracy at the top to keep the blood-sucking élite and their influence secret and it is partially based on what kind of human runs the show - the universe has oil companies that are massively destructive, not because they exist in a social structure, but because they're run by an evil cult to the Lovecraftian entity the Worm, and that sort of thing). It's kind of hard to imagine the endgame of the Hunters being a popular revolution establishing different structures and ways of living with one another (any kind of left-wing revolutionism), rather it seems to be a cadre of murderers Who Have Seen the Light rising up in cell structures until they eventually manage to purge the government of the inhuman beings that corrupt it and use it to cleanse the world of the impurities that prey on people.

I don't think that any of this was in any way intentional, so I don't really know where I was going with this, other than I guess be careful how you imagine your radicalism and the things you fight against, because you might accidentally become a Nazi. It's happened before, and it will keep happening until the left takes Fascism seriously as a force that we have interactions with ideologically.

[recreationaldivorce]

Hey guys quick question what's that on the plane behind you.

[max1461]

The thing about the Nazis is like. You know, at some level you don't expect evil people to actually look evil. Like you just think "nah they probably looked like regular guys, I mean this isn't a movie, awful people just look regular in real life". And then, no, they all actually look like the slimiest motherfuckers alive. Like look at these people:

Like, I didn't cherrypick here! These are like, the top fucking guys!

[elierlick]

90 years ago today: On May 6th, 1933, Nazis stormed, looted, and burned Magnus Hirschfeld’s Institute for Sexual Science, Europe's center of queer and trans culture. I colorized these gruesome photos to point out this wasn't that long ago. People alive today can remember these events. We will not go back.

[onbearfeet]

Misunderstandings with Roommate Cryptid

*RC enters the kitchen as I am washing dishes. He waves to get my attention as I have headphones on. I pause my podcast and remove the headphones.*

RC: I'm going to bed.

Me: Yay! Sleep well.

RC: Did I do something to upset you?

Me: ???No????

RC: You're not wearing the Bluetooth headphones I got you for Christmas.

Me: ... OH.

RC: Do you not like them?

Me: No, ha, it's because of Nazis.

RC: ....sorry?

Me: No, you see, I'm listening to a podcast about extremist groups, and I heard you getting out of the shower, and I thought, "Shit shit shit, he's gonna walk out in the middle of some asshole quoting Hitler or something," so I panicked and grabbed the nearest pair of headphones. Which happened to be these.

RC: OH.

Me: I love my new noise-canceling headphones. Which is why they were on my bed and not in the kitchen.

RC: Makes sense. Glad you like them. Sorry about the Nazis.

Me: Pretty much everyone is.

[dernisseznirp]

Ich hab Grad den gruseligsten Wikipedia Artikel gefunden :)))

[shu-of-the-wind]

this is the third fuckin time today i've seen people throw the "queer people were killed during the holocaust too shut up" shit at jewish folks so i will say it ONE MORE FUCKING TIME because i am TIRED OF THIS: the reason queer and trans people were targeted by the nazis is because the nazis were antisemitic. the nazis believed that any and all societal "degeneration", including queer people, was caused by jewish people and judaism in general.

cw nazism, shoah, discussions of shoah, transphobia, discussions of mein kampf and hitler's worldview, discussion of nazi legal theory, etc below the cut

the entire fucking reason that queer and trans folks were targeted by the nazi regime is because they were seen as a direct representation of the impact of jewish people on aryan society. magnus hirschfeld, who founded the institute for sexual science, was a jewish man. that is not a fucking accident.

hitler believed that the world was solely ruled by the quote-unquote law of the jungle; that is, people had to suppress any tendency for mercy or compassion in themselves and take what they wanted to survive. carl schmitt, a nazi legal theorist, believed that "politics arose not from history or concepts but our sense of enmity; our racial enemies were chosen by nature, and our task was to struggle and kill and die." (quote from black earth by timothy snyder.) hitler believed that jewish people who "introduced the false distinction between politics and nature, between humanity and struggle. . . . [that] ideas of political reciprocity, practices in which humans recognize other humans as [human], came from jews." (id.)

to the nazis, recognizing trans people and queer people and queer identities was a distinctly jewish idea. which is not to say it's not impossible that nazis would have targeted queer people without the antisemitism component, but their rhetoric was always interwoven with antisemitism and antisemitic racial hygiene arguments. you cannot separate the murders of queer and trans people during the holocaust from antisemitism. that violence was born from it.

[velvetvexations]

im white so idk if I'm overstepping here, and I know others have said this more coherently, but every time I see people compare being a man to being white it feels so?? Especially when it's a trans man like, what, does that mean race is equally binary and also transitioned to? I wish people would just say that being a trans man is, idk, like being ace or bi, in terms of being just as invisible aside from needing a joke, a scapegoat, or at BEST tolerating when needing an in to divide the queer community (which, btw, is none of these demographics’ fault). Even then i tfeels a bit....overly simplified?

I d k it just always feels kind of obnoxious, esp now that white CIS people are getting in on this like???

I think that's just normal, honestly. It can be present in different groups to different extents for various reasons but people tend to prioritize their own suffering and feel offended when others come close to infringing their oppression copyright. There's a bit in Maus* where the author is baffled by how racist his Holocaust-survivor father is towards Black people that I think about a lot. Intuitively, going through oppression yourself should make you a turbo-progressive, but humans are more complicated than that.

*if you can stomach a pretty harrowing depiction of the Holocaust, Maus is a true work of art and I heavily recommend it; it's less about the Holocaust itself (although it goes through the period in exhaustive detail) and more the author's relationship with his father

[whirlpool-blogs]

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Rating: E

Tags: Truth Serum, accidental/forced love confession, Torture, Gale is emotionally split open like a ripe peach, and John absolutely does not have a good time, fuck or die blowjob, Blood and Injury, Hurt No Comfort, Dead Dove: Do Not Eat

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and thanks to everyone who interacted with this fic's WIP posts along the way :)