#Burton-verse batman

[batsyx]

So I finished Batman Resurrection and I have thoughts:

Copied and pasted from my goodreads account FYI.

Some major points I want to talk about:

SPOILERS BELOW

The introduction of Clayface. He wasn’t just a pure bad guy. He had some genuine inner turmoil because he’s dealing with the changes of his body (Smylex exposure) and due to heavy manipulation by a certain character (it was Auslander), he ends up in the ultimate no-win situation. I normally don’t like it when characters origins are changed but if its done well and in service to the rest of the story then I dont mind here. We got a Basil Karlo that was a tragic victim, a guy who was simply at the wrong place, wrong time, wrong everything. You really do sympathize with him. What I’m trying to say here is that I liked the depth he was given here.

Dr. Hugh Auslander aka Dr. Hugo Strange. His name being German translation for stranger (not an exact translation i know but close enough), somehow I feel dumb for missing that. It was pretty obvious from the start though, his experience, the way he was using Clayface and Lawrence (jokers boombox henchmen), all his experiments. Like Clayface, Strange is a character we’ve not yet seen on the big screen but he would totally be a great villain to use. I liked his introduction to the Burton-verse and him being the guy who was working with the Joker behind the scenes on smylex, that makes sense. I remember theres a scene in the Batman movie where Joker is in his lair cutting up the photographs but on his desk there’s a file folder that said CIA top secret. His name being in that file folder totally works. I guess one could argue that if it weren’t for Strange’s involvement in the use of smylex, we wouldn’t have the Joker. At least according to this book.

Joker’s death and how it still affects Bruce. So having defeated the man who killed your parents, obviously thats gunna leave a mark on you mentally. The parts where he’s constantly dreaming about his final showdown with Joker in that cathedral, Joker mocks him every time. Most of the time he’s just saying nonsense but deep down it was Bruce’s subconcious nagging him. Basically telling him the stuff with Joker is not over. If you’re looking for more Batman-Joker stuff to analyze, you won’t find much here other than the dreams Bruce keeps having. Joker killed his parents so Bruce is trying his best to move on from him and the fallout from his demise. I always thought making Joker the killer of the Waynes was a weird choice at first. Especially when you grew up watching the movie as a kid and always believed that until you got older and read the comics and the animated show and realized “ohhh so it was joe chill”. It changes their dynamic, it’s not going to be the one you would expect. Making him the killer works because it gives Batman his motivation, especially when you factor in the whole “I made you, you made me” bit. I liked that the story tried to tackle Bruce’s emotional state and you do get some character development. Do I think this is the same man we see in Batman Returns? I think so, he seems to be more confident and sure of himself and his methods. I mean he’s never going to be OK in the normal sense but things have certainly changed for him.

Speaking of Joker, the whole “is he really dead or not” kinda dragged on too long for me. It went on for too long when I already knew he was truly dead. He had to be because then the rest of the movies wouldn’t make sense especially since this book is supposed to be considered cannon now. And Clayface pretending to be Joker, saw that coming a mile away.

I read an article that the author wanted to explain the plot hole of how Joker’s henchmen were on the rooftop of the cathedral by the time Batman makes it up there. Joker radios for a helicopter but somehow the henchmen, including boombox carrying Lawrence, were already there so fast so how did they know. I have to say I never thought it was that big of a deal. I always assumed they were there because they were stationed in case Joker had to escape via rooftop. Should Joker not have needed the helicopter and just left the building through the front door, then I thought Joker would radio them and tell them to come down. This is assuming they have radios too which I would assume all the henchmen do because how the hell do you communicate orders. When you’re 7 or 8 watching this movie, it’s not something you give a damn about. The other plothole he wanted to address was Joker telling Batman “Hey, bat-brain, I mean, I was a kid when I killed your parents”, Joker being a kid doesn’t make sense. In the movie, thats clearly a much younger man shooting the Waynes. I always understood that sentence as Joker thinking of himself as a “kid” because he was so young. I never took it literally. Despite that I do think the author was able to explain these plotholes in a way thats pretty easy.

I did like the little cameos and foreshadowing we got from various characters. Max Shreck, Selina Kyle and Harvey Dent all show up. I do feel like Max and Selina were kinda pointless, they were just there to have something to tie into Batman Returns. You take them out of the story and nothing really changes. The story ends with Bruce getting a riddle from, yep you guessed it, The Riddler. Kinda wild to know the Riddler has been messing with him for this long.

Do I think this book is worth checking out? If you’re a hardcore Batman fan and want more Burton-verse Batman, then yes absolutely check it out. It expands the Burton-verse while also setting up the stage for whats to come. I will note I did listen to this story via audiobook so that was a much more entertaining experience imo.

[buffyfan145]

Really excited to see this announcement about the latest Batman 89 novel "Batman: Revolution" as it's not only set in between Michael Keaton's movies but it's finally going to Tim Burton's version of The Riddler!!! 😀 I love all things Batman and The Riddler actually has always been my favorite Batman villain since I was little watching the 60s show and the animated 90 series, and I always have been curious how they were going to do this. Unlike the "Batman 89" graphic novels/comics this is a 400 page novel and there was another by the same author last year "Batman: Resurrection". This version too likely is going to be based off what Robin Williams was going to do as that is the actor they wanted for the part before Burton left. Though for me it's going to be hard picturing anyone but Cory Michael Smith, who played Ed/The Riddler so perfectly on "Gotham". I can't wait to read this in October and love the cover!!!

Also on a fun side note with Cory, I wonder if he knows after playing Chevy Chase in the movie "Saturday Night" that Chevy was one of the actors WB wanted for Batman/Bruce before Burton told them he wanted Michael Keaton. There was also talk that Chevy would be one of the villains back then too, likely The Joker (which he dressed up as a couple years ago) or The Riddler which again Cory's one of the best to have played that role. I never noticed how similar Cory and Chevy look till watching "Saturday Night" and this is another fun connection between them (also adding in Chevy playing PIs a few times, as The Riddler actually became one for a short time in the comics and the "Batman: Unburied" podcast when he reformed from his villainous ways that was fun). 😀 ❓

[paladin-of-nerd-fandom65]

Choose violence

16 & 21

16) Batman saying he never wanted to take any of the Robins in at all and that Dick is ‘useless’ to him and that being a real Natman instead of just the effects of Fear Toxin on Dick and the others.

Like…..if it probably in a cinematic timeline like the Burton or Nolan verse probably since he operated without a Robin fine beforehand but….well Batman needs a Robin overall, no matter what he thinks. Without that partner in most timelines, would Bruce even be successful as a crime fighter?

21) The take in the Joker being an absolute madman whose sinister and danger incarnate with a penchant for monologues about the evils of mankind and the pointlessness of life itself….you guys do know he’s a clown right?

His shtick for causing the anarchy and chaos was to make it funny for him

Thanks for the ask buddy!

@pin-crusher2000

[iam93percentstardust]

tony stark for your ask game? <3

peachy fren! thanks for the ask!

Favorite thing about them All of him. Every last bit. I left this question for last because I had no idea what to say. He's my favorite character of anything ever. Picking just one favorite is impossible.

Least favorite thing about them Hmmmmm, maybe how smart he is? But mostly just because it's so difficult to write. Oh, I know! The fact that Marvel, in an effort to keep up with the economy, has made him a billionaire because I'm so tired of seeing the coldest takes on how being a fictional billionaire makes him the literal devil.

Favorite line MCU: "I am Iron Man" (the first time) I'll admit I wasn't sold on the idea of Iron Man when I originally saw it. I grew up on the Tim Burton Batman films and only watched the X-Men movies for the scenes with Rogue in them (baby Alle had a crush), so I thought I knew what superheroes were and I wasn't overly impressed with them. And then Tony stood there and took accountability for his actions and at the very young age of 12, I sat up and took notice. Comics: "Good morning, beloved" because he's just so blasé about the whole thing. Why are you calling him beloved, Tony, hmm? Answer me, Marvel. I demand answers.

brOTP Rhodey & Tony. Hands down. Best brOTP in the entire world. My favorite chaos duo. Super smart when they're apart, the biggest idiots in the entire world when they're together.

OTP I feel like I shouldn't have to say this, but Stony. *gestures vaguely at my ao3* Obviously

nOTP Any of the pairings that came out of CACW. Are there good ones out there? Yeah, absolutely. Are they overshadowed by the absurd amounts of bashing fics that were written just to dump on Steve whether or not he'd been romantically involved with Tony in that verse? Yeah, and I don't feel like scrolling through all of them just to locate the gems.

Random headcanon Tony learned how to play the piano from his mom. She had a grand that was kept at the mansion that moved with him to Malibu and then to the tower (he's beyond thankful at his past self for insisting on having it moved instead of leaving it in the Malibu house to sink into the ocean when it was destroyed).

Unpopular opinion My unpopular opinion about Tony for the greater MCU fandom (and non-fans) is that he's a good character who doesn't deserve all the hate he gets. For actual Tony fans? My unpopular opinion is that he has the same mentor/mentee relationship with Peter that he has with Harley and the only reason Peter's gets so much more emphasis in the fandom is because Peter had his own movie with Tony in it.

Song i associate with them Taylor Swift's The Archer

Favorite picture of them This one. He just looks so happy!

[pick-and-shovel-laborer]

ooc ;; mun day catch up.

Mun comforts:

tagged by: @rolliesmuses

tagging: anyone

Jesse ( he/him )

Comfort food: Any kind of low carb/whole wheat pasta, especially lasagna; prosciutto sandwich on whole wheat with mustard; bison burger with fat free cheese and avocado on whole wheat bun

Comfort drink(s): Sugar free mocha

Comfort movie(s): All the first three Indiana Jones movies; all the Spider-Man "Home" movies, and the first two Raimi movies, and the two Spider-Verse movies; Dark Knight trilogy and the two Burton Batman movies, and Mask of Phantasm; Superman I and II with Christopher Reeve; Monty Python and the Holy Grail; Blazing Saddles; Spaceballs; Airplane!

Comfort show(s): Friends, Seinfeld, Curb Your Enthusiasm; Futurama; classic Looney Tunes cartoons

Comfort clothing: A t-shirt with Uncle Scrooge's head cut off so it looks like my head on Scrooge's body

Comfort song(s): Pretty much anything from James Taylor

Comfort book(s): Anything from Clive Cussler

Comfort game(s): DuckTales Remastered; classic Tetris

[frcshkills]

tv show muses ;

dana tan. batman beyond. age is verse dependent. heterosexual. fc ; natasha liu bordizzo + animated

maxine gibson. batman beyond. age is verse dependent. bisexual. fc ; tati gabrielle + animated

veronica vreeland. batman the animated series. twenty-three years old. heterosexual. fc ; madelaine petsch + animated

jen lindley. dawson's creek. age is verse dependent. pansexual. fc ; michelle williams

fish mooney. gotham. forty years old. mobster. bisexual. fc ; jada pinkett-smith

ava crowder. justified. thirty-five years old. hair stylist. heterosexual. fc ; joelle carter

amanda rollins. law & order svu. age is verse dependent. detective. heterosexual. fc ; kelli giddish

darlene alderson. mr. robot. twenty-five years old. hacker. bisexual. fc ; carly chaiken

constance d'artagnan. the musketeers. twenty-six years old. queen's assistant. bisexual. fc ; tamla kari

queen anne. the musketeers. twenty-two years old. royal queen. heterosexual. fc ; alexandra dowling

peyton sawyer. one tree hill. age is verse dependent. bisexual. fc ; hilarie burton

ada shelby. peaky blinders. twenty-seven years old. shelby lmt employee. bisexual. fc ; sophie rundle

sofia falcone. the penguin. (tv series canon) thirty-five years old. mobster. bisexual. fc ; cristin milioti

abby langdon. the pitt. twenty-eight years old. special education teacher. heterosexual. fc ; skyler samuels

trinity santos. the pitt. @drsant0s

kimberly hart. power rangers. (very canon divergent) eighteen years old. power ranger + retail associate. bisexual. fc ; kaia gerber

frances neagley. reacher. thirty-five years old. corporate security. lesbian. fc ; maria sten

karla dixon. reacher. thirty-seven years old. forensic accountant. heterosexual. fc ; serinda swan

donna paulson. suits. @girlfridcy

chloe sullivan. smallville. age is verse dependent. bisexual. fc ; kathryn newton

lois lane. smallville. twenty-five years old. journalist. bisexual. fc ; erica durance

martha kent. smallville. forty-five years old. heterosexual. fc ; annette o'toole

amelia richardson. supernatural. thirty years old. veterinarian. heterosexual. fc ; liane balaban

claire novak. supernatural. nineteen years old. hunter. bisexual. fc ; kathryn newton

ellen harvelle. supernatural. forty years old. saloon owner. heterosexual. fc ; samantha ferris

jo harvelle. supernatural. twenty-two years old. bartender & hunter. bisexual. fc ; alona tal

mary winchester. supernatural. forty years old. hunter. heterosexual. fc ; samantha smith

billie matalon. tracker. thirty-three years old. bisexual. fc ; sofia pernas

dory shaw. tracker. thirty years old. heterosexual. fc ; melissa roxburgh

reenie greene. tracker. thirty-five years old. bisexual. fc ; fiona rene

laura palmer. twin peaks. eighteen years old. bisexual. fc ; sheryl lee

sarah miller. the last of us. (very canon divergent) thirty-three years old. bisexual. fc ; alexandra shipp

princess eleanor henstridge. the royals. twenty-three years old. royal. bisexual. fc ; alexandra park

bonnie bennett. the vampire diaries. seventeen years old. witch. heterosexual. fc ; kat graham

jenna sommers. the vampire diaries (seasons 1-3). twenty-five years old. grad student. heterosexual. fc ; sara canning

vicki donovan. the vampire diaries (season 1). sixteen years old. stoner + baby!vampire. bisexual. fc ; kayla ewell

chelsea. the white lotus. thirty years old. photographer. heterosexual. fc ; aimee lou wood

daphne sullivan. the white lotus. thirty-six years old. stay at home mom. heterosexual. fc ; meghann fahy

portia. the white lotus. twenty-five years old. personal assistant. bisexual. fc ; haley lu richardson

tanya mcquoid. the white lotus. sixty years old. entrepreneur. heterosexual. fc ; jennifer coolidge

[starleska]

Slightly funny but mostly dumb thing: I don't have a TV, so your reblogs are the only info I'm getting on the DW specials

and when there was that cut to the original Toymaker's actor, because I'm not especially well-versed in any TV before the 80's, I was just like "... Timothy Dalton?"

I have no idea why.

wheeze!!! oh my goodness that's very funny 🙈💖 i hope you're able to see the specials when they're available online!!

the Toymaker's original actor is Michael Gough, best-known for playing the live action Alfred Pennyworth across the Tim Burton and Joel Schumacher Batman movies!! here he is with the First Doctor, William Hartnell 🥰

however, Timothy Dalton has been in Doctor Who...ironically also as a character in a RTD special!! he plays Rassilon, the Lord High President of the Time Lords, in The End of Time 😉

i see the resemblance!! though i have to admit, after watching the clips of Neil Patrick Harris as the Toymaker i think they cast exceptionally well, and that isn't just because of my bias as a fan of his work...he's got the same smile 🙈💖

[shree3redranger]

Actually the Snyderverse was always supposed to be Batman-focused. It was planned to retroactively include the Nolan Trilogy and GL 2011. Henry Cavill, Gal Gadot, Zachary Levi, Ray Fisher, Ezra Miller, Jason Mamoa (et. all) are meant to be the counterparts to Christian Bale and Ryan Reynolds as they were made with the "let's Titanify our mentors mentality" (seriously, MOS Clark is basically Conner and Clark is not Conner.), but those 4 movies are taking place in the past as the idea was that Batman's been around for almost as long as Wonder Woman and Ben Afflek was playing an Old Bat(man). Then when neither Batman or Superman was doing so hot the Snyderverse was attempting switching to Wonder Woman/Aquaman centric which gave them a huge boost, but ultimately didn't work so Flash rebooted and retroactively made the Shumaker movies the Bat-past for the Snyderverse and treated the Burton films as a hypertimeline alongside the Reeve/Slater-verse and showing that Superman '52 and Batman '66 remain their own timelines in the new movie-verse. I presume that some of the globes we didn't get to see revealed they are The DCU movies, Wonder Woman '77, Earth-988 (Superboy tv series) and Superman (Dean Cain)+ Flash (JWS).

[jules-has-notes]

Batman: Whatever It Takes (Unexpected Musical) — PattyCake Productions music video

It's often been observed that the masked vigilantes in comic books and the supervillains they fight have some things in common. One of those qualities is the will to go above and beyond what the average person would do, for good or ill. So when the PattyCake guys decided to dip their toes in the superhero pool, there was no better place to start than Tim Burton's version of Batman and some of his most notorious rogues.

Details:

title: Unexpected Musicals — Batman: Whatever It Takes

performers: Jason Tibbs (Batman), T. Robert Pigott (The Joker / featured vocals), James Keaton (The Penguin / featured vocals), Leah Lowman (Catwoman), Navid Nowakhtar (Tom Andrews); Hannah Juliano, Tony Wakim, & Layne Stein (featured vocals)

original songs / performers: "Batman Theme" & "Batman Suite" from Batman (1989) & Batman Returns (1992); "Whatever It Takes" by Imagine Dragons

written by: "Batman Theme" and "Batman Suite" by Danny Elfman; "Whatever It Takes" by Dan Reynolds, Wayne Sermon, Ben McKee, Daniel Platzman, & Joel Little

arranged by: Layne Stein & Tony Wakim

release date: 11 May 2018

My favorite bits:

the series title logo becoming dark and tarnished like the WB logo in the original 1989 film

that poor reporter reading his news copy like it's just a normal day (which, yeah, Gotham)

turning the barely-sung verses into actual spoken rap

Catwoman entering on ♫ "whip whip" ♫ while brandishing one

using a slowed down version of Elfman's orchestral theme under the chorus

Robby's fantasticly wheezy Joker laugh

giving ♫ "I'm the prodigal son" ♫ to the orphaned Penguin

Jason conveying Batman's growing frustration with only small movements

that smooth riff in the final chorus

Trivia:

○ All of these actors have appeared in previous "Unexpected Musicals" videos.

Jason was the prince in "Snow Spears", and one of the Mary Poppins chimney sweeps in "The Disney Showman".

Robby played Captain Hook in "Look What You Made Me Brew".

James was the elder Walt in "The Disney Showman".

Leah has inhabited several roles across the series, from Cinderella to Maleficent.

Navid was part of the crowds in both "Hocus Heathens" and "Beauty and the Bieber".

○ Jason's costume was created by The Batsmith, an Australian sculptor and costume maker who specializes in replicas of pieces from live-action Batman movies.

○ The incredible Joker and Penguin prosthetics were created by Andy Wright & Dana Bracewell at Makeup & Creative Arts, and applied on the day by Rick Underwood. The pieces were then added to their Morphstore product line.

○ In order to build anticipation, PattyCake posted a series of countdown teaser images to their social media in the days leading up to the video's release.

○ Layne posted behind the scenes videos of James during both filming and editing on his Instagram.

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○ Robby enjoyed playing the Joker so much that he had some custom playing cards made using his photograph and gave them to the PattyCake crew.

○ This video is part of a loose pair celebrating DC and Marvel comic book movies with tracks from the latest Imagine Dragons album at the time. Its companion piece, "Avengers: Thunder", was released a few weeks later.

[racefortheironthrone]

So what is your history with the DCU overall? You're more of a Marvel guy obviously so I wonder how you feel about the DC side of things, both in comics and other media (particularly the DCAU)

I answered this very question vis-a-vis comic books here.

In terms of the movies, I watched the Reeves Superman films and the Burton Batman films, hated the Schumacher films, mostly loved the Nolan films, and hated the Snyderverse with a passion. The first Wonder Woman was pretty good, but the second was bad. I think Birds of Prey is criminally underrated and I really liked Gunn’s Suicide Squad. Didn’t watch the Flash movie because I didn’t want to support the lead, I thought the new Batman movie was overstuffed but pretty good, I liked the first Shazam and didn’t see the second, nor did I bother with Black Adam. Watched bits and pieces of the CW-Verse, mostly liked it.

In terms of animated stuff, I grew up on BTAS and STAS, was too old for the Teen Titans shows, watched a bit of Brave and the Bold and Young Justice, hated the Killing Joke movie, loved Harley Quinn, and am really enjoying MAWS.

[illegiblewords]

I’ve been seeing people argue for a while that the public has superhero fatigue and is tired of seeing the same characters time and again. Tbh I think that answer suggests fundamental misunderstanding of storytelling and the genre itself--and especially the dangers of crossovers. HUGE discussion under the cut.

Superhero films are a category with a ton of potential for tonal variation, same as science fiction and fantasy. Alien is not the same as Dune which is not the same as Star Trek. Christopher Nolan’s Batman is not the same as Joel Schumacher’s which is not the same as Tim Burton’s. I'd argue that when telling the story of a superhero, there are certain fundamental elements you need to establish.

- What is the hero’s motive for being a hero rather than doing something else?

- Who is the hero’s civilian supporting cast? How do they shape the hero’s development arc and relationship with the world around them?

- What villains have sprouted up around the hero? How do they act as thematic foils to the hero? How do they challenge the hero internally, externally?

- What is the overall tone of the title, and how do the abilities of cast members reflect that tone? Ex. Superman has space and technology, Wonder Woman has mythology, Batman has largely psychology and technology. Every character and the methods at their disposal should play into a cohesive picture of what the world looks like. - What underlying themes/arcs exist across the title and how are these explored? Ex. Coming of age, where responsibility begins and ends, what being a hero means, and fatherhood I’d argue are really big themes for Spider-Man. Batman has a lot of questions about being a person versus being a symbol and coming to terms with humanity in all its forms.

Now, I want to take a moment to invite some reflection on what happens in crossovers.

- The individual life experiences and motives of heroes are often underutilized or outright skipped during crossovers due to larger casts and time constraints. This results in less personal relationships established between the audience and characters, risking the reduction of characters to gimmicks with less relevance. Avoiding this issue requires careful attention to either pacing and detailed characterization or weaving in arcs established in individual films. Both can be difficult to execute and often aren’t in the name of blockbuster spectacle.

- Civilian supporting casts are underdeveloped or omitted due to time and complexity constraints during crossovers. Heroes become the supporting casts to one another instead, sacrificing individual tones, backstories, relationships, and day-to-day experiences. Non-applicable in cases like Teen Titans where day-to-day life is spent on a team and tone is established accordingly, or in Spider-verse films where there is careful cohesion through theme while depth of focus is limited to certain cast members/supporting cast members. Also note loss, parent/child relationships, sense of belonging vs imposter syndrome, and responsibility are consistent across both films throughout the cast for Spider-verse.

- In both solo and crossover films, villains are rendered less personal and more generic/flat as characters. Villains become less compelling in consequence and more reliant on abstract ideas of bad. After all, in solo films they won’t likely be used in crossover events so it’s more an excuse plot. In a crossover, the villain isn’t personal for multiple members of the heroic cast--if any.

- Tone becomes muddy and homogenous as time isn’t spent on establishing distinct atmospheres for individual heroic titles. Can be mitigated if maintaining individual heroic tones/stories to play off of one another is a priority but current priority tends to be setting up future crossover events instead.

- Themes and arcs cannot be tailored on an individual level as much without risking incoherence due to cast size/complexity.

None of this is to say crossovers can’t be used and used well... but I’d argue they need to be done carefully and sparingly--particularly where film is concerned. And if individual films are leading into the crossover, the individual films need to be able to stand alone as strong movies with all essential genre elements addressed. That isn’t what’s been happening. Part of what breathes life and success into the superhero genre is being able to get different experiences from Batman compared to Superman or Wonder Woman, or different experiences with Iron Man compared to Spider-Man or Thor or the X-Men. If you homogenize in any direction, there is less incentive to check out different titles. You aren’t getting anything significantly different. Worth noting, it’s possible to do a more realistic spin on superheroes while still exploring variation within that style. A realistically dark Batman should stand apart from a realistically light Superman and a more realistic classic hero/mythology inspired Wonder Woman. You can have campy Batman, Superman, and Wonder Woman at the same time too with Batman leaning into detective stuff, Superman leaning into reporting and alien bits, and Wonder Woman an almost magical girl/Power Puff girl vibe maybe? Play into the invisible plane type of deal.

It’s not that you have to do one realistic, one campy, one surreal, etc. You can still have a unified overall direction while still forming distinct experiences one story to the next. I think any concept of that has been lost with the advent of crossovers. If you have dark Batman and dark Superman, Batman will do it better while Superman will feel inauthentic. People don’t go to Superman movies because they want Batman-lite. There is a distinct experience Superman should be providing and when that isn’t achieved, it’s a lost opportunity. On top of the genre-specific stuff I mentioned, I think a lot of superhero storytelling has become very superficial and lazy. Not all of it, but a lot. Hollywood is churning out films that check superficial boxes in formulas without understanding why they’re there or how elements fit together--using the least amount of thought, effort, and money they can get away with. They’re risk averse which means experimentation averse. They’ll churn out the same thing over and over again doing lower and lower quality jobs until people are sick of it, then blame the genre instead of their own lack of innovation, competence, and respect for the stories being told. They don’t understand that risk-avoidance becomes certain death when you overdo it. In addition to this, Hollywood has largely forgotten fundamental craftsmanship techniques in storytelling regardless of genre in how they handle superhero films. Heroes, villains, supporting cast members, etc. should all be characters first and foremost--their role within the story is secondary. The shape of each character’s arc, their motivation, the challenges they face, how they shape one another through interaction... these are essential for stories overall, but are often skipped. There’s a preview floating around where the villain literally says “your love for your family makes you weak,” and it is the most cartoonishly evil thing that could have been said. Whole thing advertises a death of humanity, self-awareness, nuance, and complexity. There is no room to imagine that villain getting groceries, brushing his teeth in the morning, dealing with traffic, waiting in line at the bank. He sees regular people with families going about their business and sneers to himself--how weak. How pathetic. Did he even have a family of his own? Has he ever wanted one? Does he even have a social life? Has he ever had a social life? Why is he like this? Is he actually, realistically, making a good point about anything that would cause a reasonable person to stop and think? I seriously, seriously doubt that movie is going to give a satisfactory answer. Everything in the preview screamed lazy and formulaic. Why even bother watching a film with as much humanity as a sock-puppet performance? It’s not the genre’s fault. It’s not even the characters’ fault. Any genre, any cast, would suffer the same way if you gave lazy, incompetent, allergic-to-experimentation people the reins. Have studios step away from crossovers for a while and treat every superhero film like its own self-contained story with opportunities to do something different. That alone would probably boost attendance at this point.

[aceshadowstar]

Batman 1989 Sequel Batman: Revolution to Introduce the Burton-Verse's Riddler

Source: IGN

https://search.app/QTL1D

[hanasnx]

Indyyyyy, For your DC Watchlist Recs, do I just watch in the order that it's listed, or is there a specific way? I'm broke rn and sadly can't buy Batman (1966), but I'm using my roommate's Max to watch Batman (1989) -^- - 🐡

i tried to list the sequels together but the 1966 batman is just my personal fave w adam west and not many people like it anyway so feel free to skip it. watch batman 1989 and then its sequel batman returns 1992 (and my personal fave in the tim burton verse is batman forever 1995 which is technically the next one but can act as a standalone)

[mytimetravelcollector]

If only this would happened.

i would love to see a Schumacher-Verse meets Burton-Verse crossover movie in a batman beyond setting.

[ao3feed-brucewayne]

The Erotic Adventures of Batman

read it on AO3 at https://ift.tt/PLwWgOM by DrChaseMeridian Post Batman Returns, we see the life of Bruce Wayne in the Burton-verse. Words: 945, Chapters: 1/1, Language: English Fandoms: Batman - All Media Types, Batman (Movies 1989-1997) Rating: Explicit Warnings: No Archive Warnings Apply Categories: F/M Characters: Selina Kyle, Bruce Wayne Relationships: Selina Kyle/Bruce Wayne Additional Tags: Alternate Universe, Costume Kink read it on AO3 at https://ift.tt/PLwWgOM

[iz1331]

They better find a good script then. Cause I bet Michael won't go back as Betelgeuse if it's not Tim there to direct.

Let there not be another Batman and Robin incident where they fired Tim so Michael decided not to came back for the third, and they freaking replaced him while still trying to make the third part of the Burton-verse.

Please, don't 😭 I can accept different actors portraying Batman/Bruce Wayne in films and TV shows, but no one can replace Michael Keaton as Beetlejuice/Betelgeuse in the films 😤

The DVD artwork for Beetlejuice Beetlejuice!!!

Look at how Betelgeuse, Lydia and Astrid are together and separated from the others 🥹😭 The happy family 💜 Kinda wish Delia is down there with them too, but I'm taking what I can get.

Foreshadowing that Beetlejuice 3 would have them three front and center next time? 👀 I hear Warner Bros. are trying to push for Beetlejuice 3 already