#BringElsaHome

[dalekofchaos]

Context

Context for choice 4.

Hans finds the last piece to the mirror that has corrupted his heart and finds a world that has been completely taken over by the endless winter. In this universe, Anna never got the chance to save Elsa so she fully embraced her status as the snow queen. Hans tells her that there's a universe where Anna is still alive and Elsa plans an invasion.

Meanwhile, the real Elsa catches wind of this and has to find a way to stop them. Hans chooses to side with the real Elsa and Anna and sends Evil Elsa back.

Mirror Hans theory

Choice 8 context.

Frozen 3 would be a political drama about Arendelle facing an imminent war against the rest of the world. As the Duke of weselton created a council of nations who are plotting to destroy Arendelle and more specifically Elsa and the other elementals. The duke has also caused a coup in the southern isles and put Hans in power so that they could have the isle’s navy.

With their combined strength they would impose a treaty on the relatively weak Arendelle and force them to either contain Elsa and make her stop using all her magic and destroy all magic related creatures IE the trolls and Olaf. Elsa, unable to go through with these demands consult Anna who is very conflicted. After some back and forth Elsa gets angry and leave to prepare to attack the united world navy with the rest of the elemental creatures.

Anna will then have to race against time to negotiate with the other nations as Elsa and the navy get closer to fighting. Now due to it being a Disney film I think Elsa will have to miracoulsy not kill anyone while the fighting the potentially hundreds of battleships firing cannons at her and the water horse thing but it would be cool. They could let the lizard thing burn the gunpowder and force the ship to sink while gale and the golems could eliminate enemy soldiers.

For an example of how Agnar and Iduna could be villains, see my alternate Frozen 2 post.

[defyinggravity-elsa-rp]

Hans always has that flirty look.

[disneyfan103]

If I were to take a go at rewriting Frozen 2 following the original plot and incorporating it’s deleted scenes, would you guys be interested in reading it ?

[hereisisa]

The only way F3 could work is if it retcons F2 entirely and is the proper sequel, but in my heart I know it's not gonna happen.

Agreed. As @ullrs-skis said in another post, it’s gonna be another cash grab.

I’ll wait for Jen to say ‘it was always meant to be a trilogy’ after saying Frozen was a stand alone 10 years ago and ‘a sequel was always planned’ 4 years ago. 😂

[frozensamantha]

YES YES YEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!! Bring Hans back and redeem him in Frozen 3! Please please Disney!!! yes I'm begging here! bring Hans back and take my money!

Also Bring Elsa home to Arendelle! no more separation, no more bittersweet endings and no killing of Hans or Elsa. Let's have some proper Frohana!

[kikigeh]

Want to know how I know Frozen 3 will most definitely not be great? The announcement of a Frozen 4.

The problem with Frozen 2 was that it had many, many ideas and they attempted, and utterly failed, to condense them into one singular linear story; the problem with Frozen 3 is that they "have so many ideas" that they realized they can't realistically condense them into one singular movie so their solution to "not repeat a frozen 2" is to instead push for ALL ideas to move forward which in turn has given them an overly lengthy cut.

Watching Frozen 1 in cinemas for the first time in a long while really reminded me how Frozen worked because it was very very simple and most of its heart was in the two "main" characters and how they navigated through life after a horrendous situation they were put through.

The heart of Frozen is not all the mystical and mythical elements that they can't get enough of attempting to push, hell, the most compelling part of Elsa as a character was just how raw and human she felt DESPITE having otherworldly powers.

I truly don't know which road they're taking the franchise through, but if the podcast and the books that have come out are anything to go by, it's straying way too far from what made the first movie compelling and enjoyable: its freaking simplicity.

[greatqueenanna]

What is your opinion about #BringElsaHome and do you believe this campaign could have any influence on “Frozen 3” and “Frozen 4”? Maybe change the ending of "Frozen 2"?

Personally, I don't believe they will change what was established at the end of “Frozen 2”: Elsa guardian of the Enchanted Forest living in the forest, and Anna Queen of Arendelle. And I actually believe that this campaign was much more trapped within the fandom, unlike #GiveElsaAGirlfriend, which reached even people who don't know much about the franchise.

This ending of “Frozen 2” has already been reinforced several times as the most correct possible in other materials (“Polar Nights” technically has an entire Elsa monologue on the subject), and having two queens instead of one in the franchise seems to be more interesting for Disney. But can there be any change, even if small, to try to please the people who ran this campaign? One solution I've heard is to have Arendelle be ruled by the two sister queens instead of just Anna, but I still think that would belittle the Enchanted Forest, and while there is this mystery surrounding how the franchise will develop the Northuldra Tribe in the future (there is people theorizing that the tribe will become even more secondary in the next films), I don't think they would do that, but rather that they will continue with what was established at the end of the second film.

My overall opinion of them is very negative, to be honest - for a variety of reasons that I will not go into detail here. It has more to do with their behavior, rather than their opinions.

Regardless, I do not believe that BEH has enough influence to cause any real change within the narrative of the franchise, and especially since the group has been toxic and just really cringe for the majority of the campaign's lifespan.

The Northuldra are definitely not going anywhere. Disney did not sign a deal with The Sami Council and Sami Film Institute just to erase the Northuldra from the franchise. That would be really shitty of Disney to dis them after all this work they put in to give a respectful representation of the Sami-inspired characters.

Elsa and Anna have already been shown in post-side content in their roles, as you mentioned. Disney is standing behind the ending of F2 and have not shown any evidence of back-tracking. The current team on F3 have also already established that Anna and Elsa are "busy in their new roles".

Thus, the request to retcon F2 is already being ignored by the company and film team. Also, it's just nonsensical to think that the sequel that made 1.453 billion and is currently the one of the highest grossing animated film of all time is just gonna be thrown out just because of some critiques.

The best they'll probably do is just show that Anna and Elsa spend a lot of time together and are still close, and especially since protecting The Enchanted Forest and everything associated with it is an important part of Anna's reign and her heritage. They will probably also just better explain Elsa's new role, and show exactly how Anna and Elsa are still working together even though they are living apart.

[ericmicael]

Obviously it's a fake article, but I found some points interesting that are worth mentioning.

The woman's name is Isabella. They could have chosen a new name at least. I'm tired of finding repeated names in the Frozenverse, now even fake articles have repeated names.

In addition to pleasing fans who want Elsa to finally be confirmed as a lesbian, the article also tries to please those who are against the ending of "Frozen 2" and created #BringElsaHome because in addition to marrying Isabella, Elsa will return to live in Arendelle and will be queen in Anna's place.

Isabella is a black woman. In my social circle, a certain headcanon was created that Elsa is more physically attracted to women of color. I found it an interesting detail.

Elsa and Isabella's wedding will show Arendelle that same-sex love can exist. For me, this was the biggest technical error in the fake article. From what we know today, if Elsa as queen married another woman there would be no problem. Ada and Tuva do not suffer from any type of prejudice, and Helga and Olga are an elderly couple, and although they are not from Arendelle there did not seem to be any problems. Homophobia in the world of Frozen doesn't even have any clue that it exists yet, the most it would have is about biological descendants, but naming heirs is something that exists.

Although it is not at all difficult to realize that this article is false, it gained some fame and I decided to talk about it.

About the issue itself: Elsa getting married as an original woman and returning to be queen of Arendelle in Anna's place.

Since the end of "Frozen 2" both sisters have been marketed with the title of queen, so this situation will not change. Of the entire article, I really think this part is the hardest to happen.

An original woman in place of Honeymaren... I still think that Honeymaren was made with every detail thought out to be Elsa's ideal romantic partner, but as I said before, maybe Disney wanted to create a new woman because Honeymaren might not be marketable. Honeymaren is linked to a tribe that exists, and this connection is the possible reason why she has so little participation in the franchise.

Elsa getting married... I still find it curious that the two LGBT couples in the franchise are two lesbian couples, and they are married. I have a theory that yes, Elsa and Honeymaren will be married in "Frozen 3", but obviously it won't be explicit but rather revealed through easter eggs (the Sámi tribe has a wedding tradition involving necklaces, for example).

[frozensamantha]

I agree - actually Hans was always meant to be redeemed in the sequel to Frozen,(and not used to hate on). There’s something else to consider a well as the points made here. Hans’ voice actor was actually told by Disney that he was going to be redeemed before they changed the script for Frozen 2. There is an interview on Youtube where you can watch it. Mickey and Minnie were seen and photographed dressed up as Hans and Elsa at Disneyland (I think it was Hong Kong but correct me if I got the place wrong).   Even the Frozen dolls that Shop Disney/ Disney Store released every year from 2013 to 2018 allllways included Hans!  they don’t do that with villain dolls!! Villains maybe get one release, but before frozen 2 Hans doll got a new release every single year along with Elsa, Anna and Kristoff. Sometimes more than one release. There were multiple sets by shop Disney with all 4 included, a mini doll set from Mattel, and figures from some other manufacturers. No way would they do that with a character they meant to be only a villain from 1 movie.  I know because I collect them and always bought a set every year. I miss buying new Hans dolls. It makes absolute sense to redeem Hans in Frozen 3, and I want him to become part of the Frohana family like the doll sets etc implied, I don’t want them to kill him off or keep hating on him. (I also believe Elsa should go home to her family in Frozen 3 - sending her off to live in the woods/glacier in F2 was a huge mistake. She only got 3 years with her sister and their new family after 13 years of isolation and wanting to be with Anna)

If Hans is "Done" after the 1st Frozen ... then why Frozen 2 is full of costant callbacks to him?

I'm sorry if many will disagree, but normaly, when an antagonist/villain is truely done in a sequel, you don't get tons of reminders of that character, most importantly if the story is focused on something completly different:

Generaly, you just make a couple callback and then move on to what the story has to tell you next, but here, seriously, there are thousands of even little parallelisms or visual elements that remind of Hans.

I can get that many hate the character (maybe a little too much) or are disappointed by his absence (me, for example), but I also think that, following the directors logic of just taking into account the two movies and nothing else ... it's quite significant.

I'm sincerly much more troubled by how many are influenced by the other secondary products like comics and books, thinking that those have any actual importance when, in truth, they don't add nothing to the actual movies and direction. I know I sound cynical here, but it's true that the long time and the great wait for F2 caused a lot of problems when the actual movie came out ... after all, nothing of what came out before F2 would've predicted Anna and Elsa living in different places and fullfiling completly new roles in their lives ...

[dalekofchaos]

How would you have made Helsa canon?

Okay there are 3 ways we can go about this.

Frozen. In the first Frozen, it's Elsa Hans meets, not Anna. It starts out with a dance, at first Elsa is hesitant, but Hans says please and Elsa could not refuse. Elsa finds a kindred spirit in Hans. Hans shares his mistreatment over the hands of his family and Elsa reveals that her parents made her conceal, don't feel. Hans says "maybe we're more alike than I thought, your majesty" Elsa tells Hans how she had to shut Anna out and Hans simply tells her "you were close, if you open up, I'm sure she would forgive you. Before Elsa goes to see Anna, Hans gives Elsa a winter rose. And Elsa smiles like she's never before. More of the events of the first movie happens. Elsa and Anna reunite, Elsa loses control and shuts Anna and Hans out and Let It Go. Anna and Kristoff's journey. When Hans comes to save Elsa at her castle. Hans tells Elsa she's not a monster, the powers she wields are beautiful, and for once in her life, Elsa doesn't view this power as a curse and the warmth from Hans begins to thaw out the ice. And more or less goes like this fan comic. It's the Duke Of Weselton who's the villain.(you know the obvious asshole who has a problem with Elsa having powers). Elsa and Anna's love for each other saves each other. Elsa and Hans get married and Elsa tosses the bouquet towards Anna and Kristoff and winks at her sister. Elsa finds someone who understands her and helps her embrace her powers and someone who helped bring her and Anna back together. Hans found something worth even more than a throne. Love and magic. True love. And Hans has what he always wanted. A family. A King with his Queen

Frozen 2. Remember the Frozen 2 teaser that shows Anna picking up a sword? In my opinion, that was supposed to be Hans. But let's say that is Hans. Hans intentions are to seek help from Elsa because of the crisis and mostly he just wants to escape to the Enchanted Forest to escape the torment of his family. Absolutely no one trusts him and Hans journey is not about escape, but redemption. Also I like chooarts and other Helsa fanartists depiction of Hans having a beard. But anyways, the fire spirit latches onto Hans.(more on that later) When Elsa leaves Anna behind, Hans goes to find her. When Hans finds her, she's frozen like in the movie. The fire spirt bonds with Hans and Hans uses his new found power to save Elsa. Elsa, Hans, Anna and Kristoff together save the Enchanted Forrest. And Elsa tells Hans she forgives him and they hold hands and embrace in a hug an teasing for something more. And Olaf makes a joke about the two lovebirds while Elsa and Hans turn redder than fire. Eventually Anna forgives Hans. He saved Elsa and helped save the Enchanted Forest and Arendelle and Hans wishes her the best with Kristoff, he is a better man for her than he could've been. And they part as friends. Where Elsa found the place she belongs, Hans found his belonging with Elsa, because the Fifth Spirit needs the Fire spirit to stay whole. Anna takes her place as Queen with Kristoff, while Elsa and Hans stay in the Enchanted Forest.

Frozen 3. Hans' father and 12 brothers intend to invade Arendelle. They see Arendelle as vulnerable without Elsa. So Hans goes to the Enchanted Forest to warn Elsa. And together Elsa and Hans would save Arendelle together. I also think it should be revealed that Hans has Fire Powers. In the process of working together, Elsa and Hans begin to fall for each other and Elsa finally learns to forgive Hans for what he's done. And with Elsa as a master of ice and Hans a master of fire, Fire & Ice together saves the day and unites two kingdoms.

[defyinggravity-elsa-rp]

Frozen 2 Letter to Disney Animation

((Two years ago, I wrote a letter to Disney Animation about my grievances with Frozen 2, and they recently wrote me back. I will include the response in another post, but since people were asking me what I wrote in the letter, I thought I would post it here. Buckle up, because it is long and unhinged. It also gets really personal, so bear with me.))

Dear Staff of the Walt Disney Animation Studios,

My name is Laura, and I am 33 years old. You probably don’t get a lot of letters from people my age, but my love for Disney movies never wanes as I grow older. I’ve been a fan for my whole life and grew up with the Renaissance films of the 90s. As an adult, Disney is one of my favorite sources of fantasy and escapism, and I love how complex and dynamic so many of your characters are. I actually began this letter at the beginning of 2020, and have been working on it for the past year and a half because I wanted it to be just right. It also required digging into deep emotions that aren’t always easy for me to handle, so that caused delays as well. My original draft was also seven pages long, so I had to condense it.

The reason I am writing to you is to discuss Frozen II. I am a HUGE Frozen fan, and it is my favorite Disney film next to Hercules. Elsa is my very favorite character, for so many reasons. I love that she was a flawed human who had magical powers instead of a stereotypically perfect super-heroine. I also see a lot of myself in her, and have connected with her deeply since I first saw the movie. I share a lot of her traits (like being artistic and introverted), but I also saw a lot of parallels between her story and my own life. When I was a kid, I got picked on and bullied by other kids, so I spent a lot of time alone and isolated. I was very different from everyone, because I didn’t follow trends and was very enthusiastic about my likes. I was also very sensitive and wore my heart on my sleeve, which made it more fun for bullies to target me. Many adults, including my own mother, often told me to not express my feelings or interests so that I couldn't give my tormentors things to pick on me about, so I literally had my own "Conceal, don't feel" instructions. Of course, even when I tried, my emotions were always written on my face and my parents often helicoptered over me trying to help, just like in the flashbacks of Elsa trying to control her powers in her youth.

I also have anxiety and depression, which is a huge reason why the first film resonated with me. I’ve always felt like Elsa’s magical outbursts were much like my emotional outbursts— I try to hold my emotions in, but they build up more and more until I explode, and then I just beat myself up for it and every other mistake I’ve made. Just like Elsa, I have a tendency to be very hard on myself and overanalyze every single thing I do, think, and say. When Jen Lee confirmed on Twitter that "It was important to show anxiety and depression in Elsa," I felt so seen. An openly mentally ill character in a Disney movie? It was a HUGE deal and provided such amazing representation, which is sorely needed because there's so much stigma with mental health. People don't understand depression and anxiety and are so quick to judge, so to have Elsa have those conditions is so very, very important. 

Over the past seven years, Elsa has been a huge source of comfort and joy for me, especially during the dark times. "Let it Go" has been a staple song on my life, reminding me to embrace my weirdness and not hold onto the past. "Monster" and "Dangerous to Dream" from the Broadway show are beautiful songs for when my mental illness acts up, because even though they're not the happiest songs, they're still therapeutic to sing. I've often referred to Elsa as my “comfort character," because she's been such a crutch for me for so long. Watching the film, reading fanfiction, drawing/looking at fan art, cosplaying Elsa, etc. was my favorite escape from the real world and from my own head during hard times.

When the sequel was announced, I was beyond ecstatic and had such a hard time waiting for so long, but I knew good stories take time. I ate up every book, comic, or short that was released over the years, because my appetite for Frozen was insatiable, and still is. However, I will be honest, while I did enjoy most of Frozen II, there were some things that left me feeling very let down and even heartbroken, and that is why I’m writing to you. I’d like to clarify that I'm not writing this letter to make demands or hurl insults. I know all of you put your hearts and soul into this film, and I have nothing but respect for everyone who worked on it. This is just a heartfelt, honest letter from a devoted fan who wants to see the Frozen franchise continue to thrive. I want more stories, and I want people to respond to them the way they did the first movie. I want more awards for the creators more good reviews, more success other than profits at the box office. I know I'm not your target audience at 33 years old, but I still hope you will hear my feedback.

I enjoyed most of the movie. The music, animation, scenery, and visual effects were BEAUTIFUL. I liked the implementation of Norse mythology and the lore that was set up, as well as the new characters, even though I feel like they could have used more screen time and development. I liked Anna’s arc, and Olaf’s recaps were hilarious. I adored seeing Elsa interact and connect with animals (like I do), because I always figured she probably didn’t handle them much in her youth, for fear of hurting them. I imagine she would love reptiles, like Bruni, because she probably knows what it's like to be feared and misunderstood. I also enjoyed seeing her heal and grow more confident in her powers, as well as seeing her sassy side. There are honestly a lot of good things to say about the film, and I loved the themes– I just feel like they could have been executed better. I’m so sorry if any of this comes off as rude.

My first issue is with the treatment of Hans, which is probably not something you hear often. (I’ve gotten a lot of judgement and grief from other fans for liking him.) I have always enjoyed him as a character, even though what he did was horrendous and I'm glad he failed. However, I still feel he has a lot of potential as a very dimensional character, and I completely believe he is redeemable. I know the book “A Frozen Heart” by Elizabeth Rudnick isn’t canon, but I feel she did a really good job of fleshing him out. Even from the bits we get on his backstory in the movie, I just feel like he was so desperate to get away from his family that he got carried away, versus just being completely evil and heartless. Whatever his canon backstory may be, it doesn’t excuse what he did, but I still believe he’s not so far gone that he can’t become a better person.

I was so excited when Santino Fontana said in an interview in 2015 that the writers told him they wanted to redeem him, and held onto that excitement for four years. So naturally, during the charades scene in F2, when Elsa called him an "unredeemable monster,” it felt like the writers were mocking those of us who wanted a redemption arc for him. I also don't understand why Elsa danced when she saw the memory of the Duke in Ahtohollan, then waved him off like he was a minor nuisance, but when she saw Hans, she had to break him immediately. Did the Duke not send two men to try to kill her in her ice castle? I feel like the Duke's villainy is often trivialized just to make Hans look worse so that he can be bashed harder. I really feel bad for Santino, because I know he wanted to come back, and frankly, I find it bizarre no one has addressed why he didn’t return, or even mentioned missing him during the press week and premiere interviews. Josh Gad is the only one who has mentioned wanting him back.

Again, I'm not making any demands here, I know you will do with Hans as you please, and I respect that. However, I do hope that you will consider a redemption arc for him again (without killing him, though. Please don’t give him the Kylo Ren/Ben Solo treatment). I know that it would be difficult, since many fans hate him, and it would have to be done slowly to be believable, but I know you have the talent to do it. Villain redemption doesn't happen much in Disney movies, so it could really be a groundbreaking thing to do, and would teach kids so many lessons about forgiveness and not holding grudges, as well as learning from their own mistakes. Kristoff was great because he taught people what non-toxic masculinity looks like, but Hans could take that further and teach them that toxic behavior can be unlearned— that no one is too far gone and that you don't have to be defined by the mistakes of your past. However, it needs to be apparent that it’s not Elsa or Anna’s job to change him— he must do the emotional labor for himself.

My other issue with this film is one that is common amongst the fan base, for many reasons, and that is the ending. This is actually the part of the letter I’ve had to condense the most, because I don’t want to go all Alexander Hamilton on you, so please bear with me. While I certainly understand the motivations behind the decision, to show that love outweighs distance, and the directors were inspired by their children leaving the nest, I still just don’t feel like it was appropriate for this particular franchise (nor was it in-character for Elsa at all). Not only is it a theme that is currently overdone in Disney films (it was also in Ralph Breaks the Internet and Toy Story 4), but it frankly retcons the theme of Frozen. The entire first movie was about reuniting sisters after thirteen years of separation, and then this one just goes to extreme lengths to separate them again. There are so many other ways you could have had the sisters gain some independence and follow new paths without turning Elsa into a nature spirit that lives in faraway woods with people she’s literally known for a day. (Anna can’t marry a man she just met, so why can Elsa live with people she just met?) She didn’t need a new home or personality to grow.

Sure, we’re told that the sisters keep in touch and visit, but we’re not shown. The sisters are still hundreds of miles apart in the last shot, which is what sticks in everyone’s minds. Also, shouldn’t Elsa and the Northuldra have been at the statue ceremony celebrating the coming together of the two lands? Especially since the statue is of Elsa's parents, so why wasn't she there? Even more painful is the fact that the books and magazine comics set after Frozen 2 (most of which have only been released in Europe and Asia) mostly feature Anna, Kristoff, Matthias, and Olaf. Elsa is only in a couple of them, and is barely mentioned in the ones she’s not in. It feels like she’s just a secondary character now, only coming in for occasional cameos, while the focus shifts on Anna and co. This franchise is supposed to be about the sisters being together, not one sister in Arendelle while the other is nowhere to be seen.

Many kids, from what I've heard, are also upset about the ending. Not only have I heard many stories of kids sobbing in theaters, but when I cosplayed Elsa at Katsucon in February 2020, I had a little boy who kept asking me why I "ran away from Anna again." It broke my heart and the only thing that made him stop asking was to tell him I was moving back home, but still visiting the forest. I felt so sad for him. My friend also cosplayed Elsa at a costume party and her friend’s kid started crying about Elsa leaving. I also read that the Elsa and Anna face characters in the Disney parks get asked a lot about the ending too, and Elsa has to say that she visits Arendelle every day to comfort them. Face characters shouldn’t have to comfort kids about the ending of the film their characters are in.

I also don't understand why it was necessary for Elsa to stay in the woods, especially if she can hear the spirits calling to her in Arendelle, and that the Nokk allows her to travel quickly between the two lands. Why couldn't she bring the Nokk and Bruni back to Arendelle with her, and just visit the forest? (Gale and the Rock Giants could come and go as they please.) Couldn’t she have gotten her own place on the fjord, if she didn't want to live in the castle? I understand that the purpose of the ending was to allow Elsa to be free and find her own place in the world, but I feel like giving her a position of divinity and having her move into the forest with people she just met is much too drastic of a stretch, like taking a yard of tape when you only need an inch. 

Elsa living in the forest also, unfortunately, sends the unintentional message that people who are different, introverted, mentally ill, etc., like Elsa and myself, don't belong in modern society or with our families, and are better off living away from them (not that indigenous culture is inferior– it's just different). I know that's certainly not the message you meant to send, but it still comes off that way. As someone with a mental illness and relates to Elsa so much, I felt so alienated by the ending.

Of course, the part of it that bothers me most is Elsa's characterization during the entire scene. It feels like everything about her was completely changed to make her fit the ending (which I know was written first.) There was no indication in any short, comic, book, etc. that showed us she was still holding herself back or was unhappy in Arendelle. (Anna literally sings at the end of the Broadway show, “Elsa, you’re free!”) It feels like the first film told us, "Elsa learned to let go of her fears and embrace her true self and powers, and still found belonging with her kingdom and family,” and then the second film tells us, "But wait! That's not who Elsa *really* is, this is her TRUE TRUE self, and now she belongs in the magic forest because of her magic! It’s her destiny!” It’s like her powers have become her entire personality instead of a part of her. I feel like the Elsa I’ve known, loved, and clung to for the past seven years is gone. Of course, I expect her to evolve and grow, but this doesn’t feel consistent with her character. Growth and maturity don’t change your core personality like that. A lot of people, including myself, feel more disconnected from her than ever, because she feels like this unrelatable Christ-like figure on a pedestal, instead of a human with magical powers. She doesn't feel like she's on our plane anymore. 

Even the way she talks and carries herself is completely different. She talks so slowly at the end, like an all-knowing goddess as she tells Anna all that she’s learned, and it’s just unsettling. She also doesn’t seem to make her own choices or learn from any of her mistakes. Not only did she tell Anna, "The spirits decided Arendelle should stand with you," which is deus-ex-machina (divine intervention) in a nutshell, but when Honeymaren tells her, "You belong up here!" she just agrees immediately without a second thought. I do like her stepping down as queen, but it should have been presented as her choice, not just because the spirits and the memory of Idunna told her she was fated to be something else all along. (Also, if the issue in the beginning was about her wanting to choose her own path and do more than just be queen, then how is another predetermined fate any better? She's not making her own choices, she's just a vessel at this point for the spirits’ agenda, which takes away her agency.) The trailers before the movie came out made it sound like the story was going to be about Elsa finding a middle ground between her humanity and her powers, but instead it was about how she needed to go too far into her magic because she’s “the chosen one.” 

I know it’s just a movie and I shouldn’t be this distraught over it, especially a year and a half later. I actually started therapy the weekend after the movie came out because I knew that my reaction was indicative of much larger problems. While I have been working on those problems and have been doing better, I still feel disconnected from Elsa, and it still hurts. I miss her. She and the other characters have been there for me over the past seven years when real people couldn’t be bothered, and now I feel like my favorites have been ripped away. Again, I am not here to tell you what to do with your movies, nor are you responsible for my mental health, but I still hope you understand and will consider my feedback.

If there are more Frozen stories (I personally would like a Disney+ series, which would allow for more content and development than a movie), I hope that not only does Hans get a redemption arc (and belonging/friendship with the other characters) as I previously stated, but that I get my relatable, flawed, human Elsa back. I hope she’ll move back to Arendelle (with at least Bruni and the Nokk), but of course, still visit the forest frequently and stay close with the Northuldra. She and Anna should definitely explore their heritage more, and I really would love to learn more about the Northuldra characters. I really hope to see a story about her learning to balance her magic with her humanity, to find that middle ground. To have this “Yes, I have great power, but I’m still human” lightbulb moment. I basically just want exploration of the characters as humans, with their strengths and weaknesses, with their good days and the bad, and how they tackle things together, not just by sending letters via Gale Mail. (Especially with the pandemic still happening, seeing these sisters physically together would really lift some spirits. There are enough long-distance sisterhoods in real life, we don’t need them in our fairy tales.) 

Thank you so much for taking the time to read this still-too-long letter. (I promise, I tried so hard to keep it under three pages, but I failed.) I know that a woman my age should not be this invested in a Disney movie, and you may even be thinking, “This lady is crazy!” (You wouldn’t be wrong.) I also know you’re going to do with the franchise and the characters what you see fit— again, I don’t expect you to cater to me or my wishes. I just love your characters and your world so much and I hate how upset Frozen II makes me. I feel like the ending, as well as the silence from the creators of the film, have just left us fans hanging. I don’t want you to hear the criticism and think, “Oh, well I guess people are sick of Frozen, let’s not touch it again.” I want more Frozen, I need more Frozen. Again, I’m so sorry if I sound rude or demanding. I really hope to see more of my beloved sisters and their friends (including a redeemed prince) very soon. I hope to feel everything good that the first film made me feel. Thank you again for listening to me. I wish you all the very best.

Your Loyal Fan,

Laura

[hereisisa]

rationally what you think the plot of frozen 3 could be? not what you want the plot to be, what you think would be the main issue? you think elsa and anna will actually work together this time? i think is very safe to say the wedding will be a plot point, but could be tha main plot, or just the beginning, or worst, the ending?

Rationally...I think it could follow the last book?

Plus some main topic. For exemple (and I'm surely wrong, I'm just speculating) global warming or stuff like that. Something as...the vagina-shaped-glacier will melt soon and all the memories will die with it?

I think the sisters will work together to save the day and in the end they'll all go back to where f2 left them, which is why I'll hate it, of course. Unless Elsa moves back into the castle, and it's not gonna happen, I'll hate it and I'll be vocal as always about it.

I think the wedding will be the beginning and the end, if we're lucky he will disappear for the big part of the movie cause Frozen is about Elsa and Anna.

Imagine how REALLY new would be having a princess to break up before marriage, and being ok with it. Would teach girls that a lost love it's not the end of everything, and to guys that it's ok to lose a girl without killing her for that ( = deal with rejection).

That would be different. (and watch KA running back to scream that LitTle GirLS neEd HopE aNd FAiRytALes!) when they tols us for 3 years that Frozen needed REALISM and that it was ok for 2 sisters who spent together only few months of their whole lives to be separated again. LOL

Because, double standards, of course.

[lastregattaluna]

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[missjorgenbjorgen]

so I’ve been thinking about how angry I was for Elsa not attending Anna’s coronation, and it turns out I was a bit mislead. The ending of f2 wasn’t really her Anna’s coronation (to my understanding). it was Anna’s epilogue; as well as the opening ceremony for Agnarr and Iduna’s statue. so it wasn’t really a coronation I guess? here in the f2 art book, it’s stated as Anna’s epilogue outfit. I’m guessing the ending was supposed to be her coronation but they changed it. even though Anna’s epilogue was really to show Iduna and Agnarr’s statue, why wasn’t Elsa there? it’s her parents as well. this just confuses me. I’m assuming if it was her coronation, Elsa wouldn’t miss it. because they’re sisters.

BUT. it wasn’t her coronation after all. It was her epilogue to celebrate her role as new queen of Arendelle by presenting Iduna and Agnarr’s statue. why would Elsa miss it? I’m unsure. But for the films sake, Elsa wasn’t there (🙄) to show how Elsa doesn’t live in Arendelle anymore-but in the enchanted forest/Atohollan. I like to imagine she lives in Atohollan rather in the forest surrounded by people she barely knows. or, she still lives in her home aka Arendelle with her sister. (Also when it comes to relatives, she’s not related to anyone from the Northuldra bc in DS, it’s revealed that Iduna comes from another Northuldra tribe. her parents were murdered and the Northuldra tribe we see in the film took her in. i know she doesn’t have to be related to them bc the Northuldra is their mothers people.)

this doesn’t change how upset I am at the fact elsa wasn’t there for an important moment for her sister and her people. but, her lack of presence doesn’t mean Elsa doesn’t love her sister or her old kingdom. I get it that Elsa is more introverted, but I don’t think crowds were an issue for her. At the end of Frozen, Frozen fever, and Olafs frozen adventure-Elsa is MORE than comfortable with the citizens of Arendelle in crowds. It just out of character for Elsa (like many things in f2). I just wish she was with Anna.

[foreverfrozensolid]

Elsa abandons her kingdom and leaves Anna in charge

Frozen would not have been a very good movie if it ended this way

Frozen 2 ended this way

Reach your own conclusion

[gqa-lite]

Tagging professional accounts and public hashtags to demand that they make a ship canon based on biased conjecture, and trying to spread hate on other beloved characters in favor of the character you love - is cringey, and makes the fandom look obsessive and unapproachable.

Also, these tweets are public and use public hashtags that anyone can see and they are also commenting on professional, public accounts. Thus, I am allowed to call them out. I didn’t go into private places and gouge these tweets. They’re public. You don’t get to hide behind ‘freedom of speech’ and not allow me my freedom of speech. I am allowed to critique this behavior and call them out as cringey and toxic.

The reason I’m specifically criticizing Helsa/Hans fans on twitter, and not any other group, is because I am a Helsa/Han fan. I see toxic and cringey behavior in my community and I’m calling it out. I don’t condone this behavior from anyone, but again, I’m more active in the Helsa/Hans fandom than any other of my ships, thus I wanted to make it very clear that this behavior from my group is toxic and cringey and makes me and other Helsa/Hans fans look bad.

And yes, if you are using the #redeemHans and #BringElsaHome hashtags, and are not calling out toxic users that are trying to get someone fired, defame them, say racist things (this one is specific to the original creators of #BEH), and spreading misinformation, then you are showing that you support it. Unwillingly or not.

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I posted this last night, changed my mind and took it down (twice). Then I got a few messages from fellow Hans fans saying how tired they are of these toxic behaviors from this vocal minority in the fandom. I decided to repost it again to validate those fans who are exhausted from this toxicity but can't speak out. I don't care if these fans come after me. I'm already writing an analysis on Hans' sociopathy so I'm already on their bad side pfft.