#B. No this is not KAGAMI salt

[ninadove]

The Adrigami-to-Feligami pipeline is beautiful wonderful incredible of course but the MARIGAMI-to-Feligami pipeline… Especially after this special… Oh dear…

It’s about the insane parallels and contrasts between Mari and Felix in general, of course.

It’s about Kagami struggling with her queerness; only to embrace it fully in Representation (That little speech at the end… Queerest thing ever…).

It’s about Kagami being so proud of her lack of hesitation and flaunting it in front of Marinette; only for Felix to throw her fears back in her face after two (2) minutes of conversation.

It’s about Kagami struggling to make and keep her very first friend; only to meet someone who is even more socially incompetent than she is — someone she initially tries to push away, but can’t actually lose.

It’s about Kagami constantly feeling like the discarded part of a trio, while also being far too jealous for Adrigaminette to actually work out; only for Felix to make her the centre of his universe in the span of two (2) episodes.

It’s about Kagami lying for Adrien but hating that he lied to her. It’s about Kagami keeping Ladybug’s identity safe from Monarch through two (lots of 2s today) akumatisations, but spilling the beans to Felix immediately. It’s about Kagami convincing Felix, Liar Extraordinaire, he is safe enough to tell the truth, but failing to convince Bug Noire, a literal superheroine, to do the same.

It’s about Kagami not knowing how to react when Marinette first hugs her in Perfection; only to take the lead in comforting Adrien and sending Bug Noire away in the special.

It’s about how “And I’ve changed since I met you” brutally went from “I have become a better and warmer person because of my feelings for you” to “You don’t seem to actually know me at all. And perhaps I did not know you as well as I thought either.”

[immaturityofthomasastruc]

(I know your Pretension review is coming next, so I'll post this prematurely).

Not Astruc's big mouth preaching about how "I can fix him/her" relationships are toxic and unhealthy on Twitter while at the same time making Feligami canon, which is literally just that archetype to a T. All maybe he thinks these relationships are toxic only when they involve Chloe 🙄 ?

Well, you see, it's different with Feligami because... because... uh... it involves a different rich blond kid who betrayed Ladybug at the end of a season and a different love interest introduced in Season 2?

[sweetcloverheart]

Clover Rants Miraculously: Complexity

Miraculous suffers badly from complexity addiction and it’s gotten absolutely worse since season 5 started. Character routes can’t be predictable or just being A to B to C anymore - no, there has to be a twist every minute, they have to deconstruct all the tropes and chara types, they have to keep the audience on their toes every second or else! No one’s allowed to predict anything and things can’t be simply as they appear. However, they also lacks the patience to make the complexity they put in relevant or meaningful. As a result, character growth becomes flat as their personalities and values are changed or reverted back to previous stages to suit whatever the plot needs, with opinions that seem ripped straight from reddit pages and twitter threads that seem to lack any understanding of the topics they’re preaching. No one is allowed to contradict or question anything and status quo must be maintained at all costs, even as it bogs down all the new plot elements and lore they try to bring in. It wants everything to be “deep” without actually doing any work in digging for it.

Which is why the canon Chloe salt, Marinette’s bullying backstory, sentikids, and the Gabriel thing fall flat in their jobs to get everyone to subscribe to the writer’s sole interpretation of the characters/plotlnes they present (and nothing else) - because the writers want the benefits of creating a deeply thematic work that goes outside the bounds of its genre without actually doing anything to create said depth.

Chloe can’t just be a dumb mean girl bully with a sad backstory to explain why she does it - nah, she has to represent the worst of humanity and parallel an abusive parent and monologue about how she has no soul and everyone’s stupid for thinking she does and turn out to be responsible for every bad thing to everyone ever, but the writers will never actually address any of it meaningfully while actively trying to pretend that any implications they made about her character or backstory doesn’t exist or act like it was actually this super malicious psyop done by Chloe herself and we just imagined seasons 2 and 3 in a collective mass hallucination.

Marinette can’t just be cringe about her first crush because she’s a teen and that’s what teens do when it comes to first crushes - nah, she has to have this completely out of nowhere and nonsense dramatic backstory about a prank by Chloe and Kim that justifies all the (kinda borderline creepy) stuff she pulled in the start of the show with PTSD and now you can’t make fun of/criticize her or your mocking a trauma victim you jerk (all while these issues get solved in one episode and all the other reasons to properly explain her flightiness around Adrien are either swept under the rug or just ignored due to inconveniencing their insistence of pushing this “Dating trauma” storyline that somehow only effects her with Adrien and not Luka or Chat Noire for reasons)!

It’s not enough that Adrien (and Kagami and Felix) is an abused kid trying to get out of his father’s controlling grip and come to his own as he explores expanding his boundaries and learns to stand up for himself - nah, he has to be a magical slave golem with 180 different flavors of awful implications baked into the lore of how his creation works and no feasible way for him in canon to actually break away from his dad on his own or with help, with the ending (if it makes it to the final draft/actual episode) regarding it making his entire journey of self-actualization and independence basically meaningless

Gabriel can’t simply be being an over-the-top control freak because of losing his wife and have that be shown as unreasonable - nah, he needs to be given Marinette’s exact same backstory (minus the bullying but I would not put it past them at this point) to justify why he’s totally in the right to be ruining children’s lives and terrorizing citizens and should totally be allowed to win in the end. It’s not that he’s unfairly putting the responsibility of his grief onto completely strangers and poorly justifying it with the idea that it’ll restore his family back to their idyllic days and benefit his son - in the end, guy’s just “a man who loves his family”, so let’s just forget about all the terrorism and emotionally abusing his only living child and focus on the important stuff, like the fact that Chloe and Lila are both the devil and more evil than him.

(Speaking of) Lila can’t just simply be a consummate liar who develops an irrational hatemance against our leading lady for pointing this out - nah, she has to turn out to have a gajillion different damn fake families and even faker aliases to jump through when she get tired of it or they get compromised, and all with it’s own naming system! Are her eyes actually green? Does she really have hair? Is she even Italian? Who knows - certainly not the writers! Isn’t great you invested years of interest and headcanons into a character who turned out to be a complete sham and whom the writers are now going to use to recycle the S1 villain gimmick because the Butterfly is the only villain allowed to exist? I sure am!

The writers want their story to be overly complicated and “deeper than average kids cartoons” but they want to retain their “silly simple cartoon” format and while it’s possible to do, the show runners seem adamant in not taking the steps forward necessary to achieve it, causing a constant conflict in both the show’s genre and character narratives that hurts it’s plotline

TLDR: In the immortal words - pick a lane my dude

[galahadwilder]

I absolutely hate Adrien salt so I'm gonna have to ask you to bear with me on this idea/prompt for a second. I swear it's not what it looks like at first.

Okay, so. We start with Salt-Adrien, or Saltdrien. He finds out Marinette is Ladybug and immediately starts stalking her, declaring that they are dating, and generally acting like a) he owns her and b) just generally an ass. He acts like the stereotypical salt version of Adrien, throwing tantrums, demanding attention at the worst moments, and actively interfering with Ladybug's work.

Then, of course, Felix shows up and starts intervening. Whenever Saltdrien tries to act up, Felix is there, getting between him and Marinette. Felix is spending time with Marinette, and convincing her to spend more time with Luka and Kagami.

The twist comes when Saltdrien calls his cousin to yell at him and demand to know what the hell is going on... and Felix doesn't know either, because he hasn't left England in months.

It turns out that Felix's identity has been stolen by a stranger who is identical to both of them, who seems to know a lot more about them--and about Marinette--than he should. Saltdrien is, of course, furious, and tries to corner him...

Only for "Felix" to transform into Chat Noir the moment they're alone and absolutely hand Saltdrien his ass.

Turns out, "Felix" is actually Canon Adrien, having been temporarily Isekaied into the salt setting by an Akuma in his universe. (Though it's going a bit long and he's starting to get nervous.) Adrien--who is very used to dealing with Chloe by this point--immediately figured out Saltdrien's whole deal and decided that, while he's here, he's going to obliterate this asshole who's wearing his face and name. And since Saltdrien is stupid, entitled, and more of a showoff than a fighter when compared to Adrien's intelligent, socially manipulative, and practiced combatant...

[artzychic27]

2000s Powerpuff Girls quotes?

Monarch: Splendidly evil, isn’t it?

Evillustrator: Evil? How about stupid?! Yes, thanks to your foolishness, we will be reduced to nothing! Nothing! Like the amount of intelligence inside your head! Nothing! Like the amount of respect I get after five seasons on this show!

—

Gabriel: No! You are not the more evil parent, you are the more stupid parent, which makes you unfit to control your sentimonster!

Tomoe: Is not so!

Gabriel: Is so!

Tomoe: Not so!

Gabriel: Is so!

Tomoe: Not so!

Gabriel: Is so!

Tomoe: Not so!

Gabriel: Is so!

Tomoe: Not so!

Adrien/Kagami: SHUT UP!

Adrien: We don’t care which one of you is more eviler, or more stupider, or whateverer!

—

Reshma: Hey, you haven’t lost just yet. You’ve just been attacking the problem from the wrong angle. Listen. What do boys fear more than anything in the world?

Sabrina: … Bugs?

Chloe: No, Sabrina. That’s what you’re afraid of.

Sabrina: Oh, yeah.

Reshma: Look, you girls have what boys fear most. Instead of fighting, try being nice.

Akuma Class Girls: What?!

Reshma: You know. “Nice”.

Rose: *Giggles*

Marinette: Oh! I get it!

Alix: Ew, gross!

—

Max: *After pulling the lever for the hundredth time, everything goes back to normal* Hmm… No. *About the pull the lever again*

Kim: NO! WAIT, NO!

Alix: That’s right! That’s right!

Max: *Cheekily* Hee hee hee.

—

Ladybug: We girls gotta look out for each other!

Ryuko: Oh, really? *She, Rena Rouge, and Purple Tigress step out from the shadows* Was Volpina looking out for me when she stabbed me with my own sword?

Purple Tigress: Was she looking out for me when she broke my arm?

Rena Rouge: Was she looking out for me when she stole my look? *Purple Tigress and Ryuko look at her strangely* … Well, she did!

—

Cosette: *Glaring at Lila* I can’t take another day of this!

Ismael: Yeah! And just look at what she’s done to Marc!

Marc: *In the fetal position* I’m not a lanky crybaby. I’m not a lanky crybaby. I’m not a lanky crybaby.

—

Simon: *After the Lie-based sentimonster shrinks* Well, I’m all out of lies.

Lacey: Me, too.

Simon: Your turn, Marc.

Marc: … *Whistles innocently*

Aurore: Come on! We did it!

Jean: Just tell the truth!

Denise: We’re counting on you.

Mireille: We can’t do it without you.

Marc: … All right! All right! I’m the one who accidentally poured salt in your coffees! I’m the one who drank the juice straight out of the carton! I’m the one who didn’t wipe up the pen ink! And I’m the one who left the toilet seat up and blamed it on Ismael!

Cosette: What?

Reshma: What?

Ismael: What was that last thing?

—

Ismael: Well, how do you know it’s a girl?

Alix: Squirrels eat nuts, stupid!

—

Austin Q: Don’t worry, M. Grotke. I was an accident, too.

—

Marinette: I guess we shouldn't judge someone by what they look like.

Rose: Even if they're as ugly as you.

—

Nathaniel: What are we gonna do?

*Later*

Nathaniel: *Wearing Austin Q’s clothes and some platform sneakers* Well, how do I look?

Austin Q: *In his underwear* Boy, do you look dumb!

Ivan: Need we say more?

—

Austin B: For a second there, I thought you were turning all sappy on us.

Austin A: Yeah, and “dumb”? Jeez, Quinny, if you’re gonna do graffiti, at least spell the words right. Sheesh! Talk about dumb.

Austin T: Yeah, what a dum-bee.

—

Adrien: So, that was actually you in front of the school?

Nathaniel: Uh-huh.

Kim: Which means you ate that cockroach?!

Nathaniel: Mm-hmm.

Austin A: Yeah, and it was really disgusting! I almost blew chunks!

Nino: *Runs into the classroom* Dude! I could barely contain myself hiding in the closet!

Adrien: Nino, Nath ate a cockroach!

Nino: *Gags* Dude. I am so sorry.

Nathaniel: That’s okay. It tasted like chicken.

—

*Guys Sleepover at Adrien’s house!*

Max: I’m sure it was just a one time thing, and everything will be back to normal tomorrow morning. Now, if you don’t mind, I’m going to get some rest. Goodnight.

Narrator: The City of Paris-!

*The guys stare at a wet spot on the bed*

Narrator: Oh, not again!

Kim: See, Ivan?! I knew it was you!

Ivan: Oh, yeah? How do you know it wasn’t Adrien?

Adrien: Kim, I bet it was you! You were the first one to point the finger!

Kim: Oh, yeah? Well Nino was the most distracted yesterday!

Nino: Oh, really? Well, Nathaniel has more problems than all of us combined!

Max: True.

Nathaniel: Oh, thats funny! Coming from the guy who slept right in the middle of the bed!

Nino: WHAT?!

—

Jagged: Uh… How do we do that?

Pigella: Well, how do you think?

Mme. Bustier: I would use my superpowers!

Jagged: Or a Mirage!

Nora: That’s stupid! Use Sublimation!

CapriKid: Oh my God. You people don’t have superpowers like us, so you have to use your own normal powers! Now, how do you get a sentimonster to stop destroying your town?

Jagged: Destroy him!

Citizens: Yes! Destroy him!

Roi Singe: Good. But how are you going to destroy him?

Jagged: … We don’t know!

Citizens: Yes! We don’t know!

Purple Tigress: Well, the sentimonster is stuck in the electrical wires, so what doesn’t mix well with electricity?

Mme. Bustier: Uh… Feet!

Bob Roth: Frankenstein!

Jagged: A rubber chicken!

Miraculous Heroes: *Facepalm*

Rooster Bold: This is going to be tougher than I thought.

Ladybug: Let’s try this another way.

Chat Noir: Got it. Hey! Why shouldn’t you put a toaster in a bathtub?!

Anarka: Well, duh! You wouldn’t be able to make toast in the kitchen!

M. Ramier: Yeah. You would have to go to the bathroom every time you you wanted toast. What a waste of time!

Viperion: … Why shouldn’t you put a toaster in a bathtub full of WATER?!

M. Ramier: Because your toast would get soggy!

Jagged: So! If we can get the sentimonster to take a bath… Then his toast will get soggy!

Mme. Bustier: Yeah! That’s how we destroy him! Get his toast soggy!

Carapace: NO! What would happen if YOU were in a bathtub when the toaster fell in?!

Nadja: Um, you, uh… Get shocked?

Miraculous Heroes: Yes! Now you have it!

Jagged: So! If we can get the sentimonster to take a bath, then he will get shocked!

Roger: But where are we going to find a bathtub to fit the sentimonster?

Nadja: And where do we get a toaster?

Mme. Bustier: Do you have a toaster?

Nadja: I don’t have a toaster.

Jagged: Does anyone have a toaster?!

Ryuko: There’s another way! You already have your toaster! It’s the electrical wire wrapped around the sentimonster! Now, what do you fill a bathtub with?

Citizens: Water?

Pegasus: Very good!

Firefighter: *Holding a hose* Where the heck are we going to get that much water?

Miraculous Heroes: Figure it out!

[alternativemiraculous]

Ladybug's ice power up seems so ooc to me. She's been defined as a serious, practical hero; so having her with a crown and "heels" feels totally wrong. Even her main design feels weird. She'd be better off with an armor-like design, not too complicated but defensive enough to give the impression that she takes her job as serious as possible.

Bunnyx will always feel ooc to me.

Rena at least has some in-character things, but she could have more foxy things like furr. Or just, you know give her more clothes. Not to mention they probably just copypasted Volpina's model instead of WiFi's. Neither her body nor her skin are Alya's...

Queen Bee has heels I guess. The prototype with fur felt more fleshed out. Chloé is so Chloé it feels wrong not having her have a super complicated design. They could've at least given her gold motifs and crowns.

Ryuko feels in character in that her design is as bold as she is. But her costume is so lame... I never thought dragons could be uncool. I love Kagami and I hate everything about Ryuko's design. Imo she's tied with Ladybug on being the lamest.

Eagle is ok-ish, but it still feels weird when compared to Sparrow. When she's masc-presenting she gets a cool outfit, but when she's fem-presenting she gets... that?

Yeah, sooo feminist. Having minors in tight clothes and showing their asses. Especially with the Asian girls...

Has anyone ever tried asking ass truck why the girls are in skin tight body suits while the boys get actual clothes?

Gosh, the question of “why” is so complicated. I mean--I feel like we have the puzzle pieces and just haven’t put them together yet? I mean, we’ve got...

The infamous “I have to show off the backside and chest in the same shot” pose:

Rena Rouge’s entire existence:

This lighting in “Miraculous New York” blatantly highlighting Ladybug’s behind and “Reflekdoll” showing enough extra definition in Lady Noire’s design that you can see where her ribcage and navel are:

The two most sporty characters in their civilian designs versus their superhero designs:

And these 100% necessary shots in “Frozer” and “Miraculous New York” respectively:

So to answer the question of “why”... gosh, I’m clueless, anon! Sorry! D:

[nobodyfamousposts]

If Adrien didn't have the ring, what do you think he would be doing? For me, he wouldn’t be at school al all, so probably just complaining about his life and doing model work?

Not salt, just genuine curiosity. I mean with the way the writers made him, there’s a 5% chance of him EVER suspecting his father as Adrien isn't curious about him and his relationship with Kagami would basically amount to "she's the girl I have fencer with, oh your mom is friends with my dad?"

So, at most we'd get his poutiness over not being out there or seeing his extra curriculars. It's not like he has a BIG interest in gaming, even when they say he watched anime, we're not really shown that.

It really depends on how you mean. Narratively vs storywise? It differs.

The biggest issue is that narratively speaking, the main source of entertainment in Adrien's scenes is usually Plagg. Adrien himself doesn't actually do much that's interesting. To be fair, he does more as Chat Noir, but criticism has been made that his personality as Chat Noir is so detached from his personality as Adrien with very little cross between the two that the two sides could arguably be two separate characters.

If you take the Ring away from him, Adrien has neither Plagg nor Chat to make him interesting as a standalone character. Most of the Adrien focused scenes are dependent on how other people react to or around him rather than anything he himself does. The stance of the writers and Thomas that he's perfect and never wrong wouldn't work in this way as Adrien is a passive character who is reliant on having others in the scenes with him. As it is, he's too insubstantial on his own to be able to carry a scene.

And made worse by the fact that most of Adrien's relevance to canon comes from the attachments the writers have given him to other things. Son of the villain. Top model. User of the Black Cat Miraculous. Hero of the city. Friend of Plagg. One half of the love square. But taking away the Ring removes a majority of that relevance. He'd still be the son of the villain, but we're going on five seasons now where that has yet to really matter.

So narratively, either Adrien would need to be removed from the story to offer time and energy to other things or some change would have to be made to Adrien and how he acts to make him work as a character. He would have to DO things. And without the Ring—without either Plagg or his identity as Chat to work off of, he would need to be able to stand out on his own. He would need to have real flaws that he would need to address and a range of emotions that isn't stuck on one of three settings. He would need to be a person instead of a plant. And he just can't do that with the current setup of canon.

That's just narratively/meta wise. But if I was to go story-wise...

Treating Miraculous as a real story and Adrien as a person, I'd imagine that without the Ring, other things would fill in the gaps in his life.

Let's bear in mind that Adrien got the Ring because he helped Fu that first day. Let's say he didn't. Fu wasn't there. So there was nothing to distract him from getting into school and he makes it day one. Good news is that this prevents the gum incident that made up his first meeting with Marinette. Bad news is that without that, the classmates really only know him as Chloe's friend and are less than willing to befriend him as a result. Cue Adrien having to make more of an effort to interact with his classmates and make friends.

Gamer would mean more if Adrien was the one to beat Max in the tournament because he only took the time from his supposedly busy schedule in order to try to make friends and it backfires. Same with Horrificator as he would be dealing with Nino trying to use his involvement in the movie for some fame points. Plus all the issues that would come with Chloe still regularly bullying everyone and him being forced to actually witness and respond to it. Slowly but surely, he'd make friends with the others in the class.

But most of all, I personally would see him becoming buddies with Alya. They both like heroes and could bond over that interest and their favorites, as well as their admiration for their city's own hero, Ladybug. Alya canonically likes comics and makes herself into a sort of Lois Lane. Adrien seems to have a thing more for anime, given his seemingly practiced magical girl transformation ready to go from Origins. So I could see the two of them becoming friends. Alya running the Ladyblog and being a journalist. Adrien being her assistant, her Jimmy Olsen if you will.

Cue the two of them having more dual screen time and shenanigans as they record akuma fights and hang out with each other. This would also add to more issues with Adrien's relationship with Gabriel since he would no doubt disapprove of his son's interest. It could also play into Adrien's development of his own interests outside of being a model, especially if he realizes he'd rather be the one on the other side of the camera than the one in the photos.

Then grow into Alya and Adrien trying to track down who Hawk Moth is...and the implications as they start to get ever closer to THAT particular revelation...

[wilygryphon]

My ideas for if I were to rewrite Miraculous Ladybug

Chloé Bourgeois would get a proper redemption. -She would give up on trying to please her mother after Ladybug offers words of encouragement after Queen Wasp -She develops a positive relationship with her half-sister when Zoé moves to Paris.  Also, the characters actually react to the revelation that Audrey had an extramarital affair that produced a child close to Chloé in age.

Gabriel Agreste is more consistent with his standards and qualms.  While he is willing to take advantage of an emotionally-vulnerable Marinette to Akumatize her (as in Zombizou, Chameleon, and Ladybug), he would not go out of his way to ensure that she is broken in such a way, and he would use his powers to discretely protect her from Cash by Akumatizing him and leading him away from her.  Also, he would never, under any circumstances, Akumatize Adrien.

-Adrigaminette is endgame. There are plenty of shipping moments between the three of them. -Ladybug and Chat Noir reveal their identities to each other at the end of Season 3, and then they start dating, and they also both start dating Kagami as well. -For a bit into Season 4, Kagami is still out of the loop, which causes some tension. -The main plot of Glaciator 2 is moved up to Season 3, because that's one of my favorite episodes. There's also the bonus of including the scene of Hawk Moth aborting the release of his Akuma when he refuses to corrupt Adrien, so you know Chat Blanc and Ephemeral are never going to happen.

Since the incidents that incite the premise are off the table, Chat Blanc does not happen. It is referenced, however, as Adrien has a nightmare that is pretty close to what happened in the episode, minus the time travel rectification.

Season 3 would have a Sandboy redux episode/chapter, which shows new nightmares: Chat Noir's nightmare would manifest Chat Blanc (and at one point, Ladybug would have to fight him solo); Chloé's nightmare is her relapsing back into her old ways and becoming as bad as her mother, which would manifest in the form of Queen Wasp; Marinette's new nightmare would be Lila turning her friends against her (I guess it would be like a Salt fic).

Chloé does not become Miracle Queen. Hawk Moth tries to turn her to his side, but she pretends to accept his deal long enough to get the Bee Miraculous and then uses the trompo to fly off and flee so she can warn Ladybug (Hawk Moth is surprised and he's also holding the Miracle Box, so he can't simply stop her before she jumps off the roof). He switches to Plan B, which is Lila. -The episode largely plays out the same way, although Lila takes the Fox Miraculous as she becomes Miracle Queen. Her mind control drones still resemble bees, mostly, as Hawk Moth does not feel like changing the power set too much. Queen Bee joins the Battle of the Miraculous. The conflict basically ends the same way, but afterward Ladybug and Chat Noir discuss the new status quo and decide they need to trust each other more than ever, and they reveal their identities to one another.

[iwasbored777]

I saw some Marinette salt about how she stalks Adrien or whatever. And how she's creepy or whatever. Do you have any sugar takes or something that counteracts those arguments?? I really love Marinette as a character and it's just.. really disheartening seeing everyone hone in on that aspect of her character... :(

I have a perfect post for this because...

I was thinking and it's not a rocket science that every time Marinette's crush on Adrien caused a catastrophy she didn't know that her crush will cause a catastrophy and when she does she picks another option and backs away and I just want to remind you that cuz do you guys know that every time her crush was a problem she didn't know it would be a problem, if she did she would never do anything, cuz a lot of you need to remember/realize this.

The whole "if Marinette wasn't acting selfish" thing would be understandable if

a) she knew something would go down

b) if she wasn't usually the only one who suffers the biggest permanent consequences of choosing the wrong option every time it happens (like being the guardian bc of Miracle Queen, being traumatised bc of Chat Blanc, losing every miraculous bc of Félix (which we know didn't have anything to do with her crush on Adrien but she still got wounded badly)).

One thing is being aware that...ummm...having a crush is apparently bad...but the other thing is saying all these things about her bc so far Marinette and Chloé are literally the only people dealing with consequences of their rivalry. I'm not saying that's bad if they did something wrong but if that was fair Marinette would deal with something way less than constant trauma every time she makes a move on Adrien and Chloé would deal with something worse than being kicked out of the team. Lila and Kagami were awarded for their unfair treatment of other girls by getting to spend more time with Adrien at that time and getting more friends while Marinette lost Adrien a lot of times now AND she is being judged by her friends. No one is judging other girls, ever! That's why I want Adrienette to be canon so badly now (I'll take Ladynoir too of course I love them all but Adrienette has ever bigger chance). Just end the circle of Marinette always being the one who has to sacrifice and pay. She deserves Adrien more than any other girl and the longer I watch the show this is more and more accurate.

[blessedfatui]

Marinette nodded, “Of course! I have to be ready—I mean you have to be ready for any opportunity whenever you run into Adrien!”

projections (marinette dupain-cheng salt)

✐ AUTHOR’S NOTES: posted this on my ao3; there is a lack of marinette salt (it’s pretty unpopular if you compare it to adrien salt or even lila salt). if you are going to cause problems, i will block you without hesitation.

WORD COUNT: 3k+

“Adrien is at the pool, getting ready to shoot his next big ad campaign! It's the perfect place for the two of you to make up!” Marinette said, dragging Kagami to the pool.

Kagami frowned, glancing at Marinette as irritation settled under her skin. “You know Adrien's schedule by heart?” she asked with a raised eyebrow.

Marinette absentmindedly answers, still dragging Kagami along. “Huh? Yeah for the next three years duh! But who cares? 'Cause today's the day that I'm getting you two back together.” she reveals with a goofy smile on her face.

It’s concerning how she can proudly say that she’s memorized her crush’s—her obsession’s schedule with full confidence. Not even Kagami knew Adrien’s schedule even when they were dating. Sure, Kagami would ask what activities he had that day and they would discuss when they could spend time together or they would make up a lie so their parents could alter their schedule so they could be together, but that was about it. Marinette took it a step further, gathered information about Adrien’s schedule and had his routine memorized to do what exactly? Stalk him? Keep tabs on him?

Whatever the case was, it wasn’t healthy and Kagami would need to tell Adrien when she had some free time. Right now, she needed to tell Marinette the truth about their ended relationship.

“I don't want to get back together with Adrien. I was the one who decided to break up and—”

Marinette interrupted her, continuing to blabber on, “Of course you did! You felt that somehow you weren't worthy of him, but you're wrong Kagami. You're strong, you're perfect! He's perfect!” The girl was practically gushing and oozing with love and admiration for Adrien. Kagami was aware that Marinette still harbored feelings for Adrien, but this was just ridiculous. What part did she not understand? Was she just that deaf?

“Marinette!”

“You're meant for each other! Right now I get it, it's out of sight, out of mind. But the second you lay eyes on him again, you'll both blush and stutter, talk nonsense about big houses, three kids and a hamster and everything will be wonderful!”

Okay, Kagami never said anything about talking nonsense and blushing and stuttering. Yes, Kagami could get nervous but she never stuttered around Adrien or those she loved. Kagami had no intention of having children—it was a sensitive topic, but she didn’t want her future children (if she were to have any if she changed her mind) to go through the same intense childhood she had. Kagami didn’t have a proper childhood; she was forced to be mature and grow up faster than her peers and that was no way for a child to live.

All this talk about love and children and having that American dream was beginning to bother her. Kagami kept saying that she and Adrien were done and they had no intentions of getting back together, but Marinette kept speaking over her. Rambling on about plans for the future and how they were made for each other. Kagami noticed Marinette’s slip ups and it all made sense to her now.

Marinette didn’t want to get them together because she thought they were cute together. Marinette wanted to get them together because she (Marinette) couldn’t confess to Adrien and date him. It made perfect sense; the talk of the hamster, three kids, and a large house. It was all Marinette’s dream, not Kagami’s desires. Marinette was projecting her wants onto Kagami—she wanted to live her dreams through Kagami.

“Marinette, I don't want to be with Adrien anymore. He let me down,” Kagami said, grabbing Marinette’s shoulder. Maybe if she was blunt and straightforward, the baker would understand. Now, Kagami wasn’t a rude person (or she didn’t try to come off as rude unless the situation called for it), but this was ridiculous. First, she has her ex’s schedule memorized for three years (that alone was a red flag because how the hell did she get that information) and second, Marinette was projecting her desires onto Kagami when she has said multiple times that she had no intentions of getting back with Adrien.

Of course, Marinette ignored what Kagami said.

Marinette brushed off what Kagami said. “Just trust me! I can prove that he's worthy of you! Of course, it makes sense. They've closed the pool to rehearse the commercial in private,” she declared, checking her phone.

Kagami sighed, “Perfect. Let's go.” Kagami just wanted to return to her fencing, ditch Marinette and tell Adrien that his friend is now a stalker and he should be wary of her and her advances from now on.

“Absolutely! Let's go... inside! By distracting the bodyguard.”

Oh, for goodness sake, Kagami bitterly thought.

Marinette’s determination was almost frightening. She snapped a picture and shared a post, informing all of Adrien’s crazy fans that he was at the pool. In minutes, the poor guard outside was swarmed by dozens of Adrien’s fans, and Marinette took this chance to drag Kagami inside with her. She was refusing to let this go, no matter what Kagami was saying.

Kagami was growing irritated with her friend.

“And now, time for camouflage!” Marinette declared, rummaging through her large back.

Kagami raised an eyebrow, looking at the bag and then back at Marinette. “Do you always carry these things with you?” she questioned.

Marinette nodded, “Of course! I have to be ready—I mean you have to be ready for any opportunity whenever you run into Adrien!”

There it was. That little slip up—Marinette’s true intention. It bothered Kagami that Marinette was forcing her dreams into her, refusing to listen to her when she told Marinette over and over again that she and Adrien were not getting back together. It didn’t matter what Marinette wanted; their relationship was over and if Marinette was really her friend, she would respect the fact that they were no longer dating and Kagami didn’t want to date Adrien again.

“Everything is retractable and folds up neatly. Even this fancy ball gown. You'll be needing it when you get back together with Adrien,” Marinette said, shoving a swimsuit into Kagami’s hand. “Here are the swimsuits! No time to lose!”

Kagami sighed, holding the thin material in her hands. She just wanted to leave, but Marinette would just drag her back and she didn’t want to be touched. It was a stupid idea and Marinette was a bad friend for not listening to her. She didn’t want to listen to Marinette blabber about her obsession and force her romantic fantasy into her; it was annoying and Kagami wanted to cause a scene to be frank.

Marinette was watching Adrien with hearts in her eyes, mumbling about how he was so perfect and beautiful. Typical lovey-dovey stuff that Kagami didn’t care to hear. Yes, Adrien was beautiful—he was a model and the son of Adrien Agreste after all—but it still didn’t give Marinette the right to stalk him and obsess over him. She understood having a celebrity crush but this was too extreme and unhealthy.

The baker was giddy with joy, squeezing the pillar as Adrien took a dive off the diving board. She looked over at Kagami with that sappy love-stricken look plastered across her face and a light blush dusting over her pale, smooth cheeks. “Hehe! I bet you're already starting to fall in love with him again,” Marinette giggled.

“No,” was Kagami’s blunt answer, frowning.

“That's just 'cause you haven't seen him in action yet,” Marinette declared.

No, it’s because I feel nothing for him, Kagami thought. To hell with it, she was going to cause a scene and if Marinette had a problem with it, that was on her. She was tired of entertaining Marinette’s fantasy—Kagami was almost certain that Marinette’s other friends knew about this obsession but they didn’t dare say anything about it because “it’s cute” and “it’s true love.”

It was an obsession and someone needed to call out Marinette for her creepy behavior.

“I’m leaving,” Kagami declared, grabbing her clothes from Marinette’s bag, rummaging through the other useless junk Marinette had stashed away in there before returning the goggles.

Marinette grabbed Kagami’s wrist, pulling her back. “But did you see how handsome he is? Did you feel your heart beat faster? Did you get the shivers? Tingles in your fingers?” Marinette asked with a giddy look.

Kagami narrowed her eyes, looking down at Marinette. “What I felt was sorry for that poor pigeon tamer. Marinette, I want to leave. I have better things to do and this is pointless,” she stated bluntly. “I don’t care what your end goal was but it’s not going to work. I don’t want to date Adrien. End of story.”

“It's because you haven't looked into each others' eyes yet! Oh! I've got an idea!”

Marinette grabbed Kagami again, pulling and yanking at her while Kagami tried swatting at her. She was pretty much screaming at Marinette to let her go, clenching her jaw as Marinette kept saying that she was going to do everything in her power to get them together. Going on about how she was trying to be a good friend and get her and Adrien back together.

“Marinette! Let go!” Kagami screamed. “Stop this! Oh my God, just stop! You’re being ridiculous and creepy!”

That caught the attention of everyone in the pool. Adrien was looking at the two in shock while Bob Roth was screaming about how this area had been closed off for the recording of the ad. The pigeons were scared by Kagami’s sudden outburst and poor Mr. Ramier had to comfort his pets. Gabriel Agreste was annoyed as usual and made that very clear as Bob turned the tablet towards the girls.

Marinette was frozen, letting go of Kagami’s wrist as she wet her bottom lip. “What? I was—I was just trying to help you get back with Adrien. That’s what friends do.”

“Did you really want to get back with Adrien or did you want me to live your fantasy for you?” Kagami retorted.

“I—I don’t know what you mean by that. Kagami, everything we did was for you,” Marinette stammered.

Kagami folded her arms across her chest. “Really? The swimsuits? The house and three kids with the hamsters—I don’t even like hamsters,” she said, narrowing her eyes. “You even said that you had all this junk and whatnot so you can be ready to talk to Adrien. It was never about me—you just want me to live your romance fantasy,” she spat.

It felt good to let out her anger. It felt wonderful to say what was on her chest for the longest time. Marinette deserved it; Kagami really wanted to be her friend, but now, Kagami didn’t want anything to do with Marinette. What kind of friend ignores their other friend’s wishes and pushes their desires onto them? A true friend would have listened and understood that the relationship was terminated.

“I get that you want to help but this is not helping! Your obsession with Adrien and projecting your fantasy onto me is not normal and it isn’t healthy!” Kagami added.

Marinette took offense to that, stammering and growing flustered. “I—you—I am not obsessed with Adrien and I’m certainly not projecting onto you!” she scoffed.

Kagami shifted her weight from one foot to the other. “Yes you are. You dragged me here to rekindle an old flame when I told you more than once I was no longer interested in Adrien,” she stated. “You ignored me over and over again, going on about your little dream. I’m not your little toy so you can have your weird desires played out because you’re too much of a coward to tell him how you feel.”

Sure, Kagami was being blunt and rude but could anyone blame her? Marinette was supposed to be her friend and understand her, but all this girl has done was cause problems for her. Ignoring her and refusing to listen to what Kagami had to say. Kagami had to be rude to get her point across but being nice to Marinette wasn’t helping and she wasn’t getting the message the first time. It was quite infuriating that Marinette wasn’t listening and kept trying to push Kagami to pursue her ex.

Adrien owlishly stared at them, scratching his neck as he told both his father and Bob Roth that he would get this situation taken care of. He padded to them with wet feet squelching against the floor as Marinette burned red. She squeaked as Adrien said, “Uh, the pool is closed for today for an ad shoot. I mean, you guys can stay if you want. I can get my father to agree,” he offered.

“Oh yes, that would be great—”

“Absolutely not,” Kagami interrupted, shooting Marinette a lot. “I appreciate the friendly gesture but this is your private time and we shouldn’t be intruding,” she added.

Marinette shrunk under her icy gaze. “But Adrien said he could get his father’s approval—”

“And I think that it would be a terrible idea considering that you already have enough issues to take care of like learning how to listen to your friends when they say no and not obsessing over a boy to the point that you’re self-projecting your fantasies onto their ex,” Kagami grunted.

Adrien opened his mouth and closed it, looking at Kagami and then back at Marinette. “I—am I missing some context?” Adrien quietly asked.

Marinette shook her head. “N-No! Nothing at all! Just a big misunderstanding!”

“Your friend here has your schedule memorized for the next three years and wants me to date you again so she can project her fantasies onto us,” Kagami revealed bluntly.

There was an awkward silence as Marinette panicked; her eyes wide as Adrien slowly backed away from Marinette, scratching his neck. Kagami didn’t blame Adrien for reacting that way; anyone would feel uncomfortable learning that their supposed friend had their schedule memorized for the next three years and wanted to project some silly dreams onto them and their ex.

Adrien coughed, still scratching his neck. “Uh, Marinette, is that true? I appreciate you wanting to get closer to me, but that’s just weird,” he stated. “I didn’t even give Kagami my schedule unless she asked. How did you even get that information?”

Marinette was just a mess at this point, stumbling over her words while Kagami shook her head. Call Kagami rude or whatever, but this was completely necessary. Marinette had an unhealthy attachment to Adrien and it was only going to cause her more problems in the future; who knows what else Marinette had?

It was appalling.

“Marinette, I’m going to be blunt with you: you’re a bad friend,” Kagami said, not giving Marinette a chance to defend herself. “You have Adrien’s schedule memorized for the next three years. That’s your first red flag because if you really cared about him and loved him like you say you do, you would let him have a private life. You don’t need to keep tabs on him; he doesn’t belong to you and Adrien is his own person.

“Second, you refused to listen to me when I told you multiple times that I had no interest in dating Adrien again. I don’t want to be with him again—Adrien understood and he respected my boundaries and we remain friends. It’s not because I don’t think I’m worthy of him or I don’t think I’m good enough for him. We had issues that we couldn’t resolve so I ended our relationship. That’s it.”

Marinette was trying so hard to defend her actions, saying that she didn’t want Kagami to regret her decisions, but Kagami wasn’t listening at this point. She was tired and wanted to go home; dealing with a potential stalker and running into her ex while wearing a swimsuit wasn’t part of her agenda.

Ignoring Marinette’s excuses, Kagami continued, “I’m not going to be friends with someone who can’t respect someone’s privacy and someone else's wishes. Adrien, I advise that you get a restraining order or talk to your father about this little problem because it’s only going to get worse now that you’re single and I made it painfully clear that the chances of us getting back together are zero.”

“Wait—you really don’t think I’m obsessed!?” Marinette gasped. “I’m not, I swear!”

“Then why do you have my entire schedule memorized for the next three years?” Adrien asked. “That’s weird, Marinette, and I don’t feel comfortable with you having my information like that. Especially when I thought we were friends.”

“We are! I just—I…” Marinette trailed off, defeated and suddenly quiet as Kagami went to change her clothes.

Whatever transpired between Marinette and Adrien wasn’t her business. Kagami said her piece, got her feelings off her chest, and now, she was going home. She was going to make sure to block Marinette’s number and her accounts on social media. There was absolutely no way that Kagami would want to keep in touch with Marinette, especially after her little stunt today.

She simply didn’t have time to deal with that foolishness.

A few weeks later and Adrien revealed to Kagami that Marinette was going to face legal problems for violating his privacy (he had begged his father not to make things hard on the Dupain-Cheng family and just to fill out a restraining order, but Gabriel was stubborn and hard-headed) and for stalking. He would be transferring school to avoid Marinette all together and they were no longer friends due to her little stunt at the pool.

Marinette would be facing some jail time for her actions and her other actions were brought into light (the several gifts she had tucked away, the stalking, the harassment towards other girls that liked him; needlessly to say, Tom and Sabine were very disappointed in their daughter and thought they had failed as parents for not seeing the signs).

Nino supported his actions and agreed that Kagami was in the right to call out Marinette for her behavior. He apologized to Adrien for supporting her crush on him (granted, he didn’t know the extent of Marinette’s obsession and Adrien couldn’t fault him on that and he was forgiven). Alya tried to defend Marinette but Adrien shut her down, saying that he was not entitled to forgive her or hear her reasoning out. He also broke ties with Alya for enabling Marinette’s behavior.

“I'm surprised that you even broke ties with those two,” Kagami said, removing her helmet once they made it to the locker room. “Usually, you’re so prone to giving people second chances. What changed this time?”

Adrien shrugged, setting his helmet to the side. “I’ve been… I did a lot of thinking and I’ve been doing some self-reflecting. I don’t want to be someone people can walk all over. I don’t want people to take advantage of my kindness. However,” Adrien said, sitting beside Kagami on the bench. “I don’t want to be a hypocrite. Separating myself from Marinette was a good thing and it made me feel a bit better. Thank you for telling me that; it really helped.”

Kagami nodded, collecting her helmet. “I’m glad that it helped you a bit. I apologize for causing a scene at your shoot; Marinette was just—she was being too pushy and it was starting to bother me.”

“I don’t mind at all! You had every right to blow up like that,” Adrien said, following after Kagami. “That and I never would have known that Marinette was that obsessed with me. It was really a win-win for us. You got to be blunt about your feelings and I wouldn’t have to deal with a stalker.”

“Well, it must hurt a bit, considering she was your friend and she went behind your back to obtain your schedule,” Kagami quietly said.

Adrien nodded, putting his fencing gear away. “It does hurt. It hurts a lot that Marinette went behind my back. If she wanted to get closer, she could have just asked,” Adrien explained, leaning against his locker. “I don’t know how I should feel. I feel upset that she broke my trust and invaded my privacy. I’m—I don’t know—happy that there’s one less stalker I have to deal with. I’m just so conflicted right now.”

Kagami pulled him back to the bench, gently touching his shoulder. “Your feelings are valid. You’re allowed to feel relieved for cutting connections with someone who doesn’t respect your privacy. Don’t beat yourself up over this. It’s not your fault,” she assured, pulling Adrien in for a hug and rubbing his back. “Dwelling on it is only going to make you upset. You’re allowed to be upset by it but don’t let it hold you back. What’s done is done and all you can do now is move on from this and hope that your new friends don’t try to pull the same thing. Understand?”

The blonde just nodded, still embracing Kagami. “Yeah, I understand,” he sighed. “Thank you.”

“You’re welcome,” Kagami replied.

Rubbing his neck, Adrien confessed, “I also wanted to apologize to you. I know I wasn’t the best boyfriend when we were dating—I should have focused more on you and I didn’t. I’m sorry for not being completely honest with you.”

“I appreciate you being honest with me and admitting your mistakes,” Kagami smiled, rubbing his hand. “I forgive you. If it’s possible, I would like to be your friend again. I know I’ve been quite cold towards you recently.”

He laughed, squeezing her hand. “No need to apologize for that; I deserve it for being a jerk,” Adrien chuckled, helping Kagami up and leading her out of the locker room. “Would you like to hang out one of these days? Just the two of us?”

Kagami grinned. “I would like that, yes.”

[immaturityofthomasastruc]

Maledict dude here. I saw the recent post about TA’s reaction to revelation, all I have to say is: what the hell? Yeah she’s being flown in a private jet… Forcibly moving her to another country with her emotional neglectful mother. Is TA intentionally oblivious or is he just that oblivious? Her flying a private jet is the least of her issues here, heck I’d argue it’s worse cause she’s isolated with someone who will probably berate her the whole way there.

(The post this anon is referring to)

Astruc really thinks that rich people are incapable of suffering because they have money... except for Adrien, Gabriel, Kagami, and Felix. There's moving the goalposts, and then there's this level of mental gymnastics.

Also, for a dude who probably makes a lot of money on a show he claims is more popular than Pokemon, hearing Astruc rant about how much he hates rich people basically sounds like this:

[savagenutella46]

Standing Here With You

A valentine’s day gift for @thecaptainhelm lm. (By the way, I love you so much and you’re amazing) I hope YOU have an awesome eventful day filled with lots of love because you’re such an amazing writer and I love you!!!!!!

Also, @eat0crow , who is moderating the gift exchange! Thank you for all you’ve done!

Everyone has a soulmate. 

It's not a notable deal. Though it's something many people cherish and look forward to, it's just as much an ordinary fact as primary color mixing: that's just how the world works.

Blue and yellow mix correspond with each other to produce green; soulmate A and soulmate B each have tattoos to correspond with one another, completing either tattoo on the skin of their other half.

Marinette will be damned if she finds anyone to match her tattoo. She'd loved it as a child, sitting through boring classes with a pout and jittery knees so she could rush home and admire the strange tattoo that covered the length of her inner forearm.

But now, she couldn't find a single thing to be more ashamed about. 

Even as she moves halfway across the world from taunting bullies and mind-controlling sociopaths, the damage is done. 

Marinette Dupain-Cheng does not want a soulmate.

She does not want to disappoint, to never live up to her soulmates expectations, because, "Your soulmate wouldn't like those pigtails, Marinette." and, "How could someone want a bully like you?"

Marinette does not want to relive her lycée experience, covering her mark every chance she could get so that Lila Rossi wouldn't antagonize whoever was on the other end of her soul line.

She’d watch as other people’s—normal—soul marks started to glow, indicating the one thing soulmarks are responsible for. Marinette witnessed on the sidelines as everyone she knew and had learned to love and lose found their other half, and left her in the dark. Watching, seeing, but never to experience what it was like. To find your soulmate.

Her mark. A white rose hanging upside down at the epiphysis of her radius, petals spread wide against each other, some looked as though they were flowing freely in the air, and some looked as though they were stuck to one another.

A deep red liquid spurting out of the center, running down the limp rose and glazing its petals as it oozes from the center bottom and down the sides of her arm, creating for a unique, yet concerning mosaic upon her forearm.

"Is that blood?" They'd asked, some looking curious, and some looking downright disgusted at the mere sight of her mark. Something that was supposed to be naturally celebrated, not hated and sneered upon. They were convinced she'd be a menace to her soulmate, like soulmates were anything other than fate.

Marinette did not know if it was blood, obviously. There was no superior entity whispering to her at night, informing her of every single petal's weight in grams. Instead, it was easier to have a friend pick apart the dubious meaning of such a cryptic mark, unlike so many others, hers was not so simple.

Kagami, especially, had a great eye for these things. The meticulous thought that girl compartmentalizes for the sole topic is unbelievable at first glance. It's only when you see much more of her, do you understand why she even bothers with soulmarks.

"You wouldn't believe the meaning behind such marks, Marinette. It's only when you start to break the first barrier, do you know." Okay, so, Marinette had no such way with words as the world-class fencer, but she was pretty sure the girl was saying that marks represent people the way names represent their spices.

Salt, for example. You can just tell the flavor of salt by it’s damn name.

“You’re the epitome of innocence, Marinette,—“ Marinette begs to differ, she’s read fanfiction. “But it seems you’ve been hurt, aged more than what a white rose will represent for you. That’s where the blood paints over you, like a parasite.” Marinette furrows her eyebrows at Kagami, a reoccurring gesture that will give her wrinkles by the end of the year, she knows, but it’s Kagami.

They’re sitting in their apartment, high above the Gotham smog and litter they’ve learned to acquaint themselves with, and looking out over the city from their ratty second-hand couch.

—Because Marinette wants to live with someone who will break her finger and then call her stupid and put a cast on it for whatever reason, you feel?

Another twig, green leaves still growing out of it—though, probably not since the severance—blows by their window, spurred on by a lone gust and back down to the ground, plummeting to an unfortunately placed puddle on the pavement.

“Stop moping.” Marinette makes a face.

“I was not moping.”

“You were making that sad face you make when you see a puppy walking by itself on the street. You’re moping. Why?” Marinette huffs in annoyance, and turns to look at her friend, who’s already staring with an exasperated quirked eyebrow.

She flounders for words, making exuberant gestures with her hands as she tries not to look Kagami in the eye.

An audible exhale from the woman. “You’re worried about, what, your soulmate, for whatever reason?” 

Marinette looks down at her mark, it’s entrancing rose petals glowing brightly against her skin, almost alike to the glittery sheen of highlighter she so often brushes onto her cheekbones.

“It started glowing last night, Kagami.” Marinette worries her lip and continues to stare at the now pulsing, almost obnoxious glow of her rose, the red liquid that spurts from its center taking on a glamorous shine.

“That’s wonderful. Right?” Kagami adds, when she fails to find a response. 

It should be. She knows that. She should be joyous right now, jumping ecstatically and rejoicing at the fact that she might find her soulmate sooner than later, but the ever-impending doom of, ‘what if’ continuously pops up in her brain, muddling any chance of happiness she might’ve had.

Marinette’s psyche is aged. She’s been through things. A lot of things that most people haven’t been through. Deaths, loss of loved ones, reoccurring terrorist attacks, and so much more that puts a haunted look in her eye and a deep hunch in her shoulders. She couldn’t bear to see the look on her soulmate’s face.

Kagami seems to read her mind and makes a low noise in the back of her throat. “Let’s go to the zoo.” So spontaneous, it almost makes Marinette do a double take.

“You? Want to go to the zoo?” She stares at Kagami, the latter unwavering with a borderline determined look on her face that says, ‘Nope. No fighting me on this one.’

“Distraction.” Is all she says, and for once, Marinette agrees that, yes, maybe a distraction is in order.

The Gotham City Zoo proves to be a great distraction, in between the hippo exhibit and the jungle-themed building just for showcasing snakes, Marinette finds a rather warmth in her heart.

Marinette grins widely at the crocodiles lounging across various rocks, seemingly not a care in the world is thrown around in between her and the fenced crocodiles, and she harbors  a sort of piece standing alone. (Kagami had ditched her at the zebras for the lions.)

Distantly, she hears what sounds like two people fighting—or, bickering. 

“—over here, got bit by a crocodile.” An erupt of laughter from two different voices, one distinct with a low raspy laugh, and the other, who starts hacking nastily in the middle of it.

“Those cigarettes do not benefit you, Todd. This is not a laughable event.” A third voice juts in, and she has to turn her head, locate the source of whoever said that.

Three men, one looking younger than the other two, stand slightly to the right of her in front of the crocodile exhibit, the two older men seem to be laughing at the younger’s expense—how do you even get bitten by a crocodile? She decides to not judge. This is Gotham, after all.

And, oh.

The guy they seem to be laughing at has the brightest green eyes she’s ever seen. Ink black hair frames his face beautifully, as he sneers down at the other two. The stranger doesn’t seem to notice her stare, but it’s cut short anyway by the sudden immense throbbing of her forearm.

Marinette winces, and slowly pulls down her sleeve to see her soul mark is—

Finished. It’s glowing, glowing far more than it had been over the course of the past two days, glowing so much she can barely squint to see that buried deep in the middle of her rose, a pristine dagger.

Marinette’s eyes widen, and she can’t help but make an incoherent sound that fights its way up her throat.

A tap on her shoulder, and she turns around to see the boy she was shamelessly staring at is right in front of her, and, woah, he’s tall. Marinette cranes her head up to look at the boy who so quickly grabbed her attention.

He also has the prettiest blush on his face, his eyes darting in between her and his companions, who seem to be laughing even harder, and in the distance, she hears a crude nickname being thrown at him.

“Holy shit, Demon Brat actually has a soulmate—“ a sentence cut off by more wheezing laughter, so she turns her gaze back to the boy in front of her.

“I’m Damian, you’re...soulmate.” The last word comes out wonky, like he couldn’t believe his own words, but she understands. He’s staring at Marinette now, bright green gaze fixed so intently on her, and she can’t help but blush, herself.

“Marinette. I figured, actually, when my arm started to sting like a bitch.” She says, once her mouth finally aligns with her brain and she gets the courage to say something relevant to smart.

Damian cracks a small smile, and she finds herself following the gesture with her eyes. It’s a beautiful movement, one she can tell is foreign to him, a shame.

And she doesn’t feel jittery. More at peace, looking at the equally aged look deep in his eyes, and the mark right in the middle of her forearm, she can guess he’s been through a hell of a lot, maybe more than she has.

Marinette will spend a lifetime learning what lies behind his exterior, looking at him now.

She supposes this soulmate thing won’t be too hard, after all, even as the two men behind them keep bickering and laughing at their predicament in front of the crocodile exhibit.

[sayuricorner]

Miraculous Ladybug salt x Jojo’s bizarre adventure: “Biodad!Jonathan Joestar” AU

Headcanons part 1

Warning: English is not my first language so sorry if it’s confusing.

Warning 2: This AU content salt don’t like don’t read!

Warning 3: For the Jojo character’s palettes colors I use the anime palette colors as reference.

If you want to use this AU you can! just credite and tag me in return please! :)

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So, in many ML biodad AUs Marinette’s bio dad is most of the time someone like Bruce Wayne or Tony Stark, but how about:

                                 Biodad! Jonathan Joestar AU

I mean when you think about it both Marinette and Jonathan are alike in looks and personnality!

Appearance:

-Both got blue hair

-Both got light blue eyes

Personnality:

-Both are kind souls

-Both are selfless and think about others before themself most of the time

-Both got a strong sense of justice

-Both are very smart

-Both are combative when needed

-Both don’t hesitate to put themself in danger to protect others

-Both can over-react when they’re carried away by their emotions

And just imagine the story possibilities with this AU!

“But Sayuri! Jonathan Joestar is from the Victorian aera and Marinette is born in the french modern aera how Jonathan would be Marinette’s bio dad in this AU?”

Well the same way which make Giorno, Donatello, Ungalo and Rikiel Jonathan’s kids:

Yep! In this AU Marinette is another child born from Dio’s one night stands!

Now I know that make Marinette Dio’s daughter too and I know Giorno, Donatello, Ungalo and Rikiel are mostly know as Dio’s children but to be honest I consider them more as Jonathan’s kids than as Dio’s because honnestly outside of the head the rest of the body is Jonathan’s.

How Marinette’s conception happen then? Well here’s how:

Years before Marinette’s birth, a young adult Sabine Cheng was on a trip in Egypt, she meet Dio in a bar one night, he seduced her and they got a one night stand, with Dio having the intention to suck Sabine’s blood after, but at one Dio got a brutal crisis.

Normally anyone would get afraid and run away but instead Sabine, being the kind person she was, had done all she can to calm down Dio with all the tenderness she can give. And without being aware of it this actually saved her life.

After helping Dio to calm down both fall asleep, Dio woke up later in night while Sabine was still asleep.

Remembering the warm and familiar kind feeling he experienced during his “episode”, a feeling he didn’t feel for a very long time, he decided to spare Sabine under the pretext he wasn’t in the mood to suck her blood anymore before living to go back to his mansion.

In the morning Sabine wake up only to notice Dio left and never see him again after that night, she go on with her trip and when she go back to France she found out she was pregnant.

She decided to keep the baby, times later she meet and fall in love with Tom Dupain, both end up marrying to each other and Tom adopt Marinette and became legally her father.

The Dupain-Cheng couple also decided to give her a middle name “Joanne” in memory of one of Tom’s aunts with who he was close, making her full name “Marinette Joanne Dupain-Cheng”

Does that mean Marinette in this AU had the Joestar birthmark? Yep, she does! And she also got the Joestar genes when it’s come to body shape: as a kid she look like a shrimp but when she will be older she will get rather tall and will got more muscules to her peers’s surprise.

Did she had a stand in this AU? Yes!

Her stand is called [Viva la vida], a reference to the Coldplay’s song, this stand had the power to create miracles like making plants grow, healing illness and bad injures or being a big source of luck she also had a big affinity with plants and animals. But her powers had limits for example while her miracles allow her to bring back someone to life it’s only possible if the dead person isn’t dead for a too long time and make a powerfull miracle drain Marinette energy and she end up knocked out for a time.

When Marinette is Ladybug, [Viva la vida]’s miracles powers are stronger.

[Viva la vida] isn’t a stand know for her strengh but she’s very fast which allow her to make a lot of punches and kicks at the same time.

Stand’s appearance: [Viva la vida] is an humanoid stand with beetle features, her color schemes are black white and pink, she had beetle wings, big rond blue non-reflective eyes and her head is rond with two anthenas and is a head smaller than Marinette.

But if [Viva la vida] is a cute stand when Marinette is a civil, when the young girl took her Ladybug form, her stand took a more imposing and majesting appearance, she became taller, more muscular, her eyes smaller and almond shaped, her whole body get more armors features and her colors scheme change to black and red with black dots and she emit a rather intimidating aura.

Stand’s behavior: [Viva la vida] is a very expressive stand and very sentient and is a friendly and playfull stand. She’s very curious by nature and had the habit to examin in curiosity when Marinette meet new people or stands. Her being very sentient allow her to sometimes act as a conscience to Marinette.

She also love to eat cookies baked by Marinette.

When Marinette is Ladybug, [Viva la vida] is more serious and a more combative behavior.

Stand’s cry: “Mira!” a reference to “miraculous” and to the word miracle.

AU additional details:

-Class salt

-Bustier salt/bad teacher Bustier

-Adrien salt or Adrien sugar(it’s up to whoever use this AU)

-Lila salt

-Chloe redemption

-Class redemption, a part having a redemption or none of them having a redemption(you choose)

-Permanent miraculous user Luka

-Permanent miraculous user Kagami

-Stand user Luka

-Not everyone die AU/temporary death AU: if some Jojo characters like the Pillarmen, Caesar, Kakoyin, Avdol and Iggy are alive but others like Buccellatti, Abbacchio, Narancia and La Squadra are still dead but will not stay dead(You’ll see).

-Good father Jotaro

-Marinette's closed friends/loved ones calling her "Jojo" in reference to her middle name "Joanne"

-Donatello, Ungalo and Rikiel adopted by the Dupain-Cheng

-Protective siblings Donatello, Giorno, Rikiel and Ungalo

-Marinette being the baby sister of all Jonathan’s and Dio’s kids

-[Viva la vida] being a cute stand

-Marinette, Giorno, Donatello, Ungalo and Rikiel not acknowledging Dio as their dad

-Protective Joestar family

-Jonadad

-Good parents Sabine and Tom Dupain-Cheng

-Permanent miraculous users Donatello, Ungalo and Rikiel

-Badass Marinette

-Scientist Gina Dupain at Speedwagon Foundation

-Diavolo and Doppio getting differents boddies

-Akumatised Marinette with her stand being corrupted and turned into a sentimonster.(You’ll see! ;) )

-Temporary Ladybug!Giorno (You’ll see! ;) )

-Diavolo still stuck in the death loop(’cause it’s only canon if Diavolo die!)

-The Pillarmen knowing about the miraculous

-Shipping:You decide the ship you want just not Adrinette please

Arcs for this AU:

The bizarre origins arc:

This arc is about the origins of Marinette’s birth, her growing up and getting a stand, becoming Ladybug and learning to accomplish her duties as Ladybug while learning to control and use her stand and meeting others stand users.(ex: Luka)

The bizarre USA adventures arc:

Take place times after Lila’s return, the liar keep her word and little by little Marinette’s friends turned their back on her and the fights against the akumas are always very hard to not say harder especially ever since she became the guardian.

Seeing their daughter’s moral so down Sabine and Tom decide to send Marinette to Gina to the USA for summer break. After making sure to had Kaalki with her to teleport back to Paris when an akuma attack, Marinette go on a trip to the USA with her grandmother.

But what should have been a normal vacation trip will take a bizarre turn when Marinette will learn about Gina’s job at the mysterious Speedwagon Foundation which will lead to a meeting with four ancients Aztec gods of fitness, getting informations about stands and her mysterious lineage and a meeting with three american unknow brothers.

(In this AU the Pillarmen aren’t dead after Battle Tendency but they’re detained by the Speedwagon Foundation)

The bizarre mass resurection mystery arc:

A lot of things happened in Marinette’s life, things she didn’t expected whatever in good or bad.

Finding out about her grandmother’s job at the Speedwagon Foundation, learning more about her stand, finding about the existence of three brothers and having said newfound brothers being adopted by her parents, her friends isolating her thank to Lila and learning she by Bustier she and Chloe were banned from the class field trip...

So she decided with to create with other classmates from the school a trip club and after some successful fundraisers the club get a trip to Italy.

And since Hawkmoth seemed to not have attacked for a time there isn’t any problems to go on that trip.

In Italy, on Giorno’s side the part 5 events happen just like in canon while on Marinette’s side she and the trip club get a good time in Italy until a particuliary violent stand user akuma attack the country. He was akumatised by Hawkmoth ‘cause Gabriel Agreste was on a business trip in Italy and thought creating a akuma in the country would attract Ladybug and Chat Noir and give him an advantage since the akuma attack in a unfamiliar place.

The fight was very hard but in the end Marinette and her allies were able to beat the akuma and with her miraculous powers combined with her stand powers she revert any damage... it’s even worked for damage/injuries/death by stands leaving Marinette knocked out for a time since she use a lot of energy while using her stand’s miracle powers.

On Giorno’s side after he beat Diavolo and became the boss it was noticed that Buccelatti, Narancia, Abbacchio, the whole La Squadra were bring back to life.

Even Doppio was back but in a boddy of his own.

Everyone thought at first this was the work of [Gold experience requiem] but it was reveiled later this was the work of another stand which will put Giorno, his gang and even Jotaro with the SWF on a big infestigation which will lead them to the stand user resposible for this mystery and unknowly to them and to Marinette to one big bizarre family reunion.

The bizarre family arc:

With everything which happened in Italy, Marinette not only had to deal with Lila, Hawkmoth, the akumas and her guardian duties but also with the discovery of an extended families and horrible and disturbing informations about “one of her bio fathers”.

And one day Lila took things too far leading Marinette to unleash all her frustration, stress and anger making her akumatised and it will be up to Giorno as a temporary Ladybug holder, her true friends and her family to saved her from herself and from Hawkmoth’s influence.

But the task will be hard with not only Marinette being akumatised but also with her stand [Viva la vida] having being unconsciously corrupted by Mayura while trying to corrupt Marinette turning her into a sentimonster.

The bizarre final showdown arc:

A alliance between Hawkmoth and a mysterious priest will lead the miraculous villain to his ultimate plan by helping the priest to resurect a powerful man, a man infamous for being a curse to the Joestar family and to the world, with the promise to achieve Heaven and to gain a power which will allow Hawkmoth to do all he want.

It will be up to Marinette, her friends, allies and her new found family to put an end to Hawkmoth once for all and to beat this priest before the worst happen with the resurection of the infamous Dio.

But bizarre chains of events will lead to another resurection, the resurection of a man very well know by the Joestar family and who’s tightly connected to Marinette, Giorno, Donatello, Ungalo and Rikiel.

[lady-literature]

A Miraculous DC Crossover

ALL RIGHT!!

I’ve been sucked into this unholy sub-fandom and I have thoughts okay? lots of them. Almost none are coherent and I don’t care. I have no plotline to write a fic but by the gods do I need to get out all my ideas.

Behold:

the Salttm

Lila, obviously. But she’s a petty nuisance at best, and an annoyingly competent akuma to fight at worst. manipulative, but not really dangerous ya feel?

Alya. which like, home girl probably doesn’t deserve but like,,, the drama??

CHLOE REDEMPTION YOU COWARDS

She and Marinette become surprisingly good friends (because I love that for both of them and you can pry it from me cold, dead hands)

Nettie-bug and Queenie

They pick on Adrien together

Mari’s friends Protection Squad That Don’t Take No Shit

Adrien

Chloe

NINO BITCH HE DESERVES MORE LOVE TBH

Alix?? Probably

Luka obvi

Felix (PV)?? Or does Marinette have enough emotionally constipated boys in her life?

(Answer: no. no she does not.)

Nath? He be a good fox tbh. creative and sneaky boi

Kagami!!! I love her

They’re all heroes because I say so.

Felix (Sparrow) is an honorary member even though he doesn’t have a miraculous

He handles PR and other background things along with Chloe

Joined up a few years back when Parisians were getting a bit too critical of the heroes

No Hawkmoth b/c fuck that guy

He existed, just not anymore. Bitch got yeeted

There’s other villains in town now. After Hawkmoth’s defeat other metas/supervillains looked at Paris and was just like, ‘free real estate?”

So now the Miraculous Team are Paris’ Actual Full-Time Hero TeamTM… yay.

Ladybug, Chat Noir, and Abielle (or like, Wasp/Yellow Jacket idk Chloe changes her name because ~identity stuff~) are the core three team. like, the wonder woman/batman/superman trio of the MTeam.

Nath is called Reynard Ambre b/c I love him

The public knows he exists but he’s never seen in battle and no pictures exist.

but there are plenty of instances where Paris knows he out mucking around because those akuma battles always get really weird.

Marinette be the guardian?

Guardian in training

Along with all the other holders b/c jesus. Give the girl a break.

Yeah. I like that Idea. All current holders are training to be guardians as well, but Mari’s going to step up as Guardian Supreme when Fu steps down.

Hero fashion!!!

The Miraculous Team is all decked out in their own merch like 24/7

Rarely is it thier own hero persona tho

Not because of like,,,, secrecy or anything. Just because they’re all nerds who love each other

Marinette is the lead producer of Miraculous Merchandise. It’s like,,, her BrandTM It was completely unintentional too

(Adrien and Chloe financially support her work tho. She designs, makes a prototype, and has her two blondes get others to replicate it)

Half of Paris is wearing her without knowing it

(Go MDC! get it girl!)

She totally makes Gotham inspired outfits because what else would she do????

Don’t get her wrong, most of Gotham’s fashion sense royally pisses her off but it’s fun and hey, supporting her fellow heroes ya know?

She wears a Robin hoodie after being officially acquainted with both Damian and Robin (separately of course)

Damian chokes on something, probably his own tongue.

It confuses Nettie. But then she thinks maybe he’s a fan too? She offers to make one for him but he steadfastly refuses much to his brothers’ amusement.

Might make a robin themed dress?? If so, she crosses paths with Robin when she does, thoroughly embarrassing her and almost sending poor Dami into a crisis.

Rogues Gallery

She makes a lot of designs off the rouges gallery because like, supporting people trying to get better??? also they’re some of the few who’s aesthetic aint shit?

She can’t make all of them because she ran out of time, so the rest get posited up on her Instagram and MDC blog (that’s run by Tikki mostly. She’s a great secretary and gets bored in Mari’s purse all the time)

Everyone is very flattered

Harley, if she ever finds it, immediately commission all pieces and wears them around Gotham don’t @ me

Daminette obvi

Marinette meets him and is just like ‘wow, you’re horrible. I want five’

Marinette, in the group chat later: so I met Kagami and Felix’s love child today

Kagami and Felix, seconds apart: I would never stoop so low

immediately after: Hey what the fuck? Rude

Nino: Nettie, dearest, sunshine, light of our collective lives and reason I breathe, what the fuck

Adrien: Kagami, my love, how could you? the Betrayal

Chloe: ew

Luka: Send pics or it didn’t happen

Nath: [insert the ‘right in front of my salad?’ meme]

Whenever they cross paths as Robin and Mari, he’ll just like,,, appear from nowhere hanging upside down spiderman style. Mari finds it endearing but she also wants him to stop scaring the shit out of her

Nicknames, because I have an unhealthy obsession with them, alright?

Misc Mari names: Bug, Bugaboo, Buginette, Madame President/Colonel (when the Team’s being cheeky), Princess, Marigold, Nettie (by like, Nino and Alix)

Jason calls her Pixie-pop

The bird boys call her Nightingale/Mockingbird in like, honor of her being a kickass civillian

Mari refers to them as ‘the flock’ (and bird-brains after getting to know them better)

Damian calls her: Starling, Habibti, ya qamar(my moon), malaki (angel), ya wardati(my flower) (b/c like, angel’s cute an all but I just think Damian’s way more dramatic than that tbh. he’d put thought into his nicknames)

Mari calls Damian: mon soleil (my sunshine) (because symmetry and also Mari thinks she’d hilarious), Birdie, petit oiseau/oisillon

I like the idea of Jagged being a native Gothamite tbh

it’s just so fun honestly???

He’s probably the reason the MTeam are in Gotham in the first place? maybe? anyway, the class is there, right? right. 

Kagami, Luka and Felix are all holding the fort down in Paris. Ain't no akumas but sometimes they need backup so when certain heroes need to disappear, Nath has Trixx set up an illusion of whichever one so they can slip away with the horse miraculous.

Mari’s the one who has to leave the most because she’s still Paris’ damage control, so like,,,,, ya know.

Mari doesn’t get left behind, at least not on the first day b/c come on people! She has plenty of friends in class watching out for her and a semi-competent teacher who does care even if she’s non-confrontational to a fault.

She does eventually become separated from the group. Half because of Lila and half because she’s always fucking late and got distracted.

She actually runs into one of the civilian batfam in the first place because the class was allowed an hour or so to wander around the shopping district or whatever to explore/buy things/get food. They just needed to return to the meetup spot at a certain time but Mari is like ten minutes away when it’s five minutes to the meetup

So she’s just… fucking booking it and completely takes out this trained vigilante without trying to.

Mari, as she’s groaning on the ground, tangled around a boy: By Kwamii, I thought my luck was supposed to be good Tikki.

That or like, the subway doors close before she can get on them and the rest of the class ends up ahead of her leaving her to get caught up on some bullshit in the next train or smth.

Oh, like. Of course it’s her train that gets held hostage. Wonderful.

(Later, Mari will rant at Tikki about her luck. A common conversation between the two tbh.)

This could be where she officially meets the Batfam as the Batfam. Or, like. A couple of em, at least.

Marinette getting serial adopted by the whole goddamn batfamily because i will die for this trope tbh i dont even care

The Robins nickname her Nightingale before they realize she’s Ladybug

They still call her that after but it’s not with the intention of making it her hero name anymore

Her and Alfred are def bros you don’t understand

Actually, Gina and Alfred are old friends. Mari totally knows Alfie before the bat fam and calls him Poppy/Pépé

which floors the batfam because what? Since when does that happen???

Alfred and Mari never, like, actually met in person before, but video chats exist and Gina def talks about the two to each other so it’s like they may as well know each other.

I also like the idea of Alfred being a former holder, probably the peacock. I would adore that

Just,,,, so many fun hero shenanigans

Yeah sure. The batfam are super detectives and have a history of figuring out people’s identities in no time at all. Whatever. Where’s the drama in that though? The showmanship?

Fuck canon, the Miraculous all have glamours because magic bitch and it plays fucking hell on the Batfam and all their shit

Every single Batfam member is simultaneously pulling their hair out because they don’t know who these heroes are???? Why can they figure them out?? Confusion???????

Miraculous team is just…. Straight up laughing at them. The poor dears.

That one gag where it’s a well-known secret that Mari has connections to every Parisian hero and is basically their own personal catering service/comfort place.

Also, it’s the worst kept secret in Paris that Mari is Multimouse

None of the MTeam have confirmed that rumour but they also don’t deny it.

they actually started the rumour. If all of Paris thinks Mari’s the mouse, a temporary hero, no one’s going to think she’s Ladybug/or that she’s an easy target to go after

chloe actually came up with that one

Mari meeting all of Damian’s ‘associates’ (ie pets)

She adores all of them and they her.

Especially GOLIATH, why isn’t he talked about more honestly???? He’s GREAT

She meets Goliath as Ladybug and Robin is just… so done with him??? You are supposed to be a fearsome beast and a professional why are you rolling over and expoSING YOUR STOMACH??? Meanwhile, Ladybug is just: Awww! Who’s a good boy? Who’s the best boy? You are! Look at how handsome you are! Cute widdle baby-

Miraculous Team hanging on the roof of their hotel kinda chilling

Maybe having a debate about doing some free-running/parkour?

Also maybe about whether or not they should be heroes while in Gotham

MT being like, why can’t we go and stop an armed robbery? we can help!

“Gotham already has very active heroes-”

“Vigilantes!”

“-whatever. I don’t want us stepping on any toes. This isn’t our terf and Batman’s known for being strict about Metas rolling around here.”

“We aren’t Metas though.”

“I don’t think he’ll enjoy splitting that particular hair, Nino. Just- not unless lives are at stake, okay? Emergencies only.”

“Yes, Colonel Ladybug.”

This debate most def gets crashed by batfam and confusion ensues upon both sides

batfam didn’t hear anything, they’re just really confused about these french kids hanging out on a roof in Gotham

Just.... yes. all of that. I have like, more but those are not organized or even remotely coherent. here you go! I might write for this but I already have other fics rn so... it wouldn’t be for a while. and as I said, I have no plot.

take this though, i guess. *throws confetti*

[miraculouscontent]

Anonymous asked:

I think she-who-shall-not-be-named is targeting you again w/o actually using your name. She's defending the Adrigami moment in Kuro Neko and calling the individual in question "a toxic lukanette shipper". I could be wrong but she's obsessed with you so I doubt it.

Anonymous asked:

you: *in the tags of a post that she shouldn't be able to see bc 1 she should just have the salt tags blocked if she hates it so much and 2 bc you definitely have her blocked*

you: i wish they'd let kagami move on from adrigami interactions and do something else since they aren't going to follow through and are just teasing us

you: let her move on

p@@b!tb: toxic lukanette shippers who say anything about the adrigami moment in kuro neko should get bent

me: how did you even see that post ? why do you always got something to say when someone privately post a properly tagged adrichat salt post

Adrien stans in general are obsessed with me from what I’ve heard? It’d be adorable that they “admire me” so much if it wasn’t so sad, lol. Not to mention getting my age wrong earlier just to do literally anything to try and insult me. I’m sorry, I thought I already made myself look soooo bad that you wouldn’t have to add on outright lies?

And, like--imagine someone whose opinions make you rage blocking you, and instead of making the logical conclusion of, “this is good, I can now take the healthy path and not have to worry about seeing their content ever again,” (never mind that, as the above anon stated, they should have the tag blocked) you continue to link their posts/vague/rage about them anyway. Imagine spending so much time getting mad about actual, real life people who don’t affect you at all rather than the fictional characters (who you can hate as much as you want because they literally don’t exist so you can just have fun) in a TV show watched by impressionable children.

My problem with the “Adrigami” moment (which is already wrong because it’s Chat and Ryuko so they’re misnaming the ship) is that they had Kagami aggressively end her relationship with Adrien (good for her) and then the show has had her defend him in “Optigami” (which got her shot) and now be the first to wave to Chat in “Kuro Neko.” I know she doesn’t know that Adrien is Chat but I just think it’s messed up because Adrien has done literally nothing for Kagami in this past season outside of offering her a drink - which she didn’t even look amused by - but the writing keeps throwing moments like that in and there’s no way it’s not intentional.

Not that I’m surprised that the writers and Adrien stans just happily let the rich white blond boy get off scot-free as much as possible and also don’t care about Kagami unless she’s catering to Adrien, but still. I merely think it’s funny that they call me “toxic” and then happily let themselves be “poisoned” by reading my posts and watching my videos. Like--this becomes SO MUCH FUNNIER when you imagine all the time they must have wasted away reading my salt posts. All the hours they must’ve spent!!

[ravenclaw-questions-gone-writing]

Ven’s Idea Outline #1 (Maribat)

Remember that MariDamiJon fic that I mentioned I was going to do for the gift exchange? It’s still bouncing around in my head and Luka decided to join in so I’ve decided to at least make an outline in (assuredly vain) hopes that it will leave me alone for a bit.

Ao3

Part 1

Typical Daminette but Hanahaki style bc I can’t find any Maribat hanahaki fics and I need one and I can’t find any.

Dick and Damian sent to scope out Paris for Hawkmoth related reasons

Jon goes with bc he’s Damian’s emotional support kryptonian but he might arrive later This idea has been removed but I like it so I will share it.

Damian is getting familiar with the new battlegrounds  taking a walk in the park when a girl falls from a tree and lands on top of him

The girl apologizes profusely before explaining that she’s really clumsy and she was just trying to help a kitten stuck in the tree

It’s not love at first sight but Damian appreciates an animal lover and is slightly less of an ass than he would usually be

Might mix this with my Blossom Soulmate AU that I never got around to finishing and posting, now that I think about it

Anyway, Damian helps her get the cat down from the tree

He latches onto this potential information source who is not as annoying as most other people and sticks with her

They become friends friendly acquaintances and he drops by her school to pick up her up after she agreed to show him around Paris.

Debating Lila salt...

Debating Class salt...

If yes: Damian walks into a scene where Marinette  and sweeps Marinette away without a word to the rest of her class

If no: Damian arrives and proceeds to wait for her outside by his motorcycle

Either way, his appearance makes waves in Dupont’s rumor mills

They do not know he’s Damian Wayne, just that there’s a dude who attractive enough to be model with a motorcycle waiting for the schools (tragic, if salt) sunshine fashion princess.

Robin and Nightwing meet up with Ladybug and Chat Noir to offer their help in figuring out who Hawkmoth is, as well as fighting and training.

Full Miraculous court meeting with Ryuko, Viperion, Queen Bee, Carapace, Rena Rouge, Pegasus, Bunnyx, and Monkey king. (Rena Rouge is removed if Class salt. Replaced with Fox!Nath or Fox!Julieka)

Ladybug and Robin get along

About two weeks in Adrien starts officially dating Kagami.

Another week passes and Damian finds out Marinette has been coughing flower petals and her unrequited love is her classmate Adrien Agreste.

She refuses to remove the hanahaki - this version is the standard they can’t fall in love ever again if they remove it.

This revelation makes him oddly uneasy, it isn’t until his own Hanahaki shows up later that night that realizes he understands why.

Damian does a pretty good job of hiding it.

Dick knows something is up but he’s trying to give Damian more space so he doesn’t look into it and trusts Damian would ask him if it’s life threatening

Ladybug notices his discomfort on patrol and they talk

He is surprised to learn Ladybug also has it and Robin comes up with the brilliant idea that they should fall in love with each other.

There is precedent that if you fall out of love with the person, the Hanahaki will go away. But falling out of love is difficult and not easily done. There must be no lingering romantic feelings at all.

Ladybug encourages Robin to chase his crush first, because he at least has a chance if the girl he likes also has it.

Cue the debates

If Ladybug wins: Enter Damian going all out in flirty assassin seduction techniques from his mother - Good Talia that kills rapists, none of that she raped Bruce bs, she actually had a good relationship with Bruce and a mutual breakup because of differing views on killing people - that he’s barely used since his lessons on it in the league and romantic advice from Dick.

He goes full on Bitch-sensei from assassination classroom.

He’s commissioned a shirt from Marinette. She gets to design it however she wants.

It is a long sleeved button up, specifically made to accentuate his muscles without being too revealing.

That’s the shirt he wears when he asks her out with flowers and a stuffed kitten holding a stuffed wood board that says “please date me” He has his sleeves rolled up to his elbows, top button undone. Collar and hair ruffled up for maximum sensuality. He’s got a lot of references between all the people he knows (Bruce, Talia, Selina, Dick, and really his whole family is full of objectively attractive, seductive people he can reference. Just as long as he avoids mimicking their failing romantic habits, he should be fine.)

He tries to be suave about it but is a little too nervous to completely pull it off. It doesn’t matter because Marinette finds it endearing.

On the date, he’s more confident and is able to pull off suave bastard much better but only at the end. He’s a gentleman until the very end, when he leaves her in the bakery

He goes in, and twirls her admittedly short hair around his finger, maintaining eye contact as he presses his lips against her hair - it’s admittedly harder than he expected given how short it is but being so close made it more intimate and the blush on her face was definitely worth it

He leaves in the bakery slightly dazed and counts the date as a success.

Marinette’s mind shut down bc damn that boy is fine and smooth af is flustered and confused as heck but she’s willing to give him a shot

Alternatively: Marinette’s not sure about dating Damian because she feels like she’s just using him to get rid of her hanahaki bc of the idea that Robin had proposed.

Dick is ecstatic that Damian was acting weird because he had a crush and loved helping his brother out with this date planning in the city of love

He doesn’t report it back to the batfam yet because they had a small argument about it and Damian pulled away with the small victory of Dick has to wait until after the first date to tell them.

Damian is glad he Marinette’s willing to give him a chance but he’s worried about Ladybug

he wonders if he should set her up with Tim or Duke, it’d be a shame to lose a friend and hero like her.

Robin brings up his success to Ladybug and asks if there’s anything he can do to help her.

She notes that a friend had actually confessed to her and she’s giving them a chance.

They accidentally compare notes on their dates and that’s their reveal.

If Robin wins: An awkward start that smooths into moonlit dates on the Eiffel tower, dancing on rooftops, an increase in flirting but only after battles, never before it bc they have a professional reputation to keep, increasingly physical training routines, stolen kisses but not on lips until they’re more comfortable with each other.

Fast tracked mutual slow burn which kinda defeats the purpose of a slow burn but whatever

I have realized these ideas are not mutually exclusive.

Maybe Ladybug wins first but Damian fails to seduce Marinette because she has the doubts so they go with plan B and date each other. Ladybug is more comfortable with the idea of dating Robin because they both have Hanahaki and are knowingly using each other to get rid of it?

There is no identity reveal in this version

Complaint Break time: I was writing this to get it out but it keeps growing, wtf.  This is so long and I haven’t even gotten to the main part.

It was supposed to be an established Daminette but I wanted to show how they got together, this was supposed to be like 5 bullet points, 10 tops.

At some point, I’m going to have to mention the rumor that people with Hanahaki are being kidnapped because the flowers that bloom after their death make great medicine but that cures most illnesses and are good potions ingredient whatever, something along those lines. It’s not the ones they cough up but the flowers that grow on the vines constricting their lungs after until they die and only blossom after death. Those flowers that spread the pollen into the air that makes the Hanahaki disease possible.

That’s why people keep it a secret unless they’re going to get the surgery as there’s not other way to treat it.

But that’s a plot point for part 2.

I feel like this is already longer than anything I’ve put out at this point in time.

Back to the story:

Even though they’re dating, the Hanahaki doesn’t go away immediately. It slows and becomes less frequent but there are times when they think of how their love doesn’t return their feelings and the flowers come back with a vengeance and they’re down for the day, possibly the entire week, hacking up flower petals and buds.

(Ladybug Wins version until otherwise stated) It’s during one of these fits that Dick finds out and is angry at this girl playing with his brother’s feelings.

Damian is too busy hacking up bloody flower petals to correct him

The entire batfam and subsequently Superfam now know the batfam’s youngest has hanahaki

Jon is called in and flies in to help keep an eye on his best friend

Bruce, Jason, Tim, and Duke are shocked but they pack up and are ready to go in guns blazing to have a talk with this girl bc the boys might not be on the best terms but that’s their baby brother. The girls stay behind to hold down the fort (because I need more time to get familiar with them before I can confidently write their characters. I’m not too confident about Duke either but I already mentioned him and it’s too late to back out now.)

So, Damian’s brothers and his father track her down to a different park in Paris where Marinette’s hanging out with her friends

They’re incised to find their brother’s girlfriend with another guy’s arm around her, leading her away from the main group of friends

It’s Luka, he’s helping her hide her hanahaki because she assures him that she has it under control and will go with him to the hospital if it becomes too much

They confront the couple

There’s a lot of intimidating posturing and accusations

Batfam is absolutely not prepared for the bloody flowers that spill from her lips - her hanahaki is even worse than Damian’s

Detective bats (correctly or incorrectly, depending on which version happens) put the pieces together and figure they’re dating to get rid of the hanahaki, that is something Damian would absolutely propose

and oh shit, this time it’s not just Bruce that’s adopting someone. They have a little sister now.

Luka explains what he knows about the situation and basically confirms what they’d deduced.

Welp, since they’re here, Hawkmoth has become top priority.

Hawkmoth takes one look at the Miraculous circle and the new set of bats and just- nopes out plus super boy and just nopes out.

Like, he tries but he has no expectation of winning and tries to run instead. It doesn’t work, they have all grounds covered.

I should probably make use of Mayura if I ever do write everything out but she didn’t really leave much of an impression on me tbh and I don’t have a lot of ideas. Maybe if I ever go back and watch it.

Celebratory, on-the-spot kiss between Robin and Ladybug where they do “oh“ and realize the pressure in their chest is finally gone and the Hanahaki is no more.

(Robin Wins) Dick is obliviously happy about little Robin leaving the nest and finding a mate until he finds out both the little heroes coughing up flower petals on their date

then he goes in and mother hens them both, before demanding answers

He’s also less happy about this whole dating thing

Dick can’t do much about Ladybug without revealing her identity but Damian isn’t getting out of it so easily

Dick figures out who Damian’s crushing on and goes to do a little investigating. He is very surprised to see it’s a bubbly, energetic designer girl and not someone... calmer. But then he thinks of Jon and it makes a little more sense

He talks to her, asks about what she thinks of Damian and is pleasantly surprised by her positive view of his brother. He asks if she would go out with him and she coughs up some petals

Now, Dick’s freaking out and why are there so many children with Hanahaki? This is the third one in two days!

fast forward because I’m finally out of ideas for this part

Ladybug knows she’s fallen for Robin, which was the entire point of them dating but she not sure he actually reciprocates or is still trying to forget that other girl.

Or if you went the other way, Robin’s still chasing Marinette but Ladybug now likes Robin and is aware that he’s trying to woo her. So, out of the frying pan and into another for her.

Robin is absolutely having regrets bc he is an emotional wreck and crushing on two girls and this was not supposed to happen, damnit.

A meta gets akumatized and takes out half the miraculous court but turns out the meta’s psychic ability can help track Hawkmoth so its all cool, now that they know what Hawkmoth feels like

Ladybug, Chat Noir, Ryuko, and Robin vs Hawkmoth and Mayura

Nightwing stayed behind to watch the other heroes are no longer brain dead from the battle but boy are they out of it and he has to make sure they get home safe

that does not mean he’s not extremely put out and worried about it since he knows half the team has hanahaki and it may interfere with the fight

Even if the Ladybug suit lessens the hanahaki attacks, they still happen from time to time

For two people who don’t  show up to fight often Hawkmoth and Mayura put up a good fight

Ladybug has an hanahaki attack and Hawkmoth tried to take advantage of it, only to get knocked out by Chat Noir who’s still pissed at his dad for causing this whole thing

Chat Noir and Ryuko are pretty shocked Ladybug has hanahaki, even more her timer runs out and she choses to present it to Robin

Robin is shook

He gets it together and pulls her into a kiss that cures their hanahaki and makes their brains melt

Now Marinette’s kinda confused bc what the other girl

Damian, slightly shifting his mask so she can see who he is: That other girl was YOU

Now Marinette’s the one who’s shook

Note: Chat Noir and Ryuko have both de-transformed at this point and are watching with wide eyes but they do not see who is under that mask. Also, no cameras in this section of the manor bc that would be proof.

They have a lot to talk about but it works out in the end.

the outline above was written out of order bc I had to go back everytime a new idea hit and I cannot be bothered to go back and dodeca-check this thing again just to make sure everything makes sense.

Part 2 (that was supposed to be the main story- finally made it, the starting point. I cry.)

Ok, so, now that Daminette is established and the evil is defeated

Damian returns to Gotham with his girlfriend in tow to introduce her to the rest of his family, despite his better judgement

Jon is happy that Damian is in happy, loving relationship but he’s a bit sad that it’s not him and oop, sunshine kryptonian boy got hanahaki’d.

Same for Luka. (Yes, Jagged will be his dad and a Gothamite.)

Jagged and his kids join them in Gotham bc he has to be there to show his favorite designer niece around to all the best places of his hometown.

Luka finds out Jon has Hanahaki and they bond over the experience

They make a pact to cover each other and get the other to the hospital when it gets to that point

Pining/Simping meetings over their best friends that for some unknown reason seem to lessen the flower coughing over time even though these meetings probably make things worse but they also need vent before it increases again.

Luka and Jon beginning to fall for each other but they think the other is still in love with Marinette/Damian and it’s true that they still hold feelings for their best friends that aren’t diminishing in the sleightest and it’s all very confusing.

It’s even more confusing when we add the new hero in Gotham, Viperion who’s there to continue training with the bats since he’s visiting the area, rescues and lightly flirts with Jon who ended up developing a small crush and Jon realizes he has a type.

So, poor Jon’s now crushing on Damian, Luka, and Viperion

Viperion meets Superboy and the kryptonian doesn’t seem to like him?

Luka’s crushing on Marinette, Jon - still doesn’t know that Damian is Robin. And is kinda curious and a little hurt that the Robin’s oddly familiar kryptonian is actively and obviously avoiding him and that heart song is kind of familiar but different.

Viperion also gains a crush on Robin after watching him take down a thug in a very graceful way - the bird was showing off for his bug and decided to make it a little showier, he accidentally also caught a snake

Ladybug and Robin still flirt but the court - aside from Ryuko and Chat, depending on which version - think that’s just their dynamic, though they do pull Robin aside for a bit to tell him she has a boyfriend now. He assured them it’s fine and he knows, oddly amused at their attempt.

man, I am not original with this identity porn thing

It isn’t until Luka sees Jon again that he puts it together.

Marinette suspiciously notes Luka and Jon been hanging out an awful lot she’s making connections to the time she had hanahaki and Luka covered for her

The pains of befriending deductive genii.

Cue the panic and they accidentally claim they’re dating but it throws Marinette off for now, so it kinda worked?

Hanahaki fic with a fake dating AU. Oops.

Mari decides since she and Damian don’t know this, they must have been neglecting their best friends and double dates are the way to go.

Cue more panic

Unlike Marinette who is willing to trust their word, Damian’s a suspicious bastard who’s kind of dubious and a little salty that Jon didn’t tell him earlier if they’re telling the truth but Mari’s all gung ho about it so he lets it go for now

They go on the date and it is an emotional mess for everyone involved

It starts out fine

Jon and Luka act a bit weird because they have to cover for each other randomly coughing up petals, not to mention they’re on a date with their original crushes without actually dating their original crushes not even mentioning their new crushes and the secret identity reveal that Luka still hasn’t confronted Jon on and Jon’s guiltily thinking about Viperion half the time he thinks about Luka and shouldn’t it be the other way around?

Yeah, so they’re a mess

Damian’s watching them like he’s trying to figure them out and it is not helping but thank god Mari’s distracting him totally on accident

Marinette? She found a random lost kid in Gotham looking for their parents

So now the double date’s been temporarily derailed to help the lost kid

While Damian’s watching Marinette try pass the crying kid off to Jon for a  moment so she can make a phone call to report a lost child but the kid’s clinging onto Marinette, and they exchange looks so Jon calls in the lost kid instead and he’s just struck with the idea of a family with the three of them and some kids

Cue panic time (again)

Ignoring the thought of children, why was Jon in his fantasy?

Luka’s just watching a smitten boy go into panic mode over the trio and while doesn’t quite know what’s going on in Damian’s head, but that was really cute and oh not again

They find the kid’s parents, and the date moves on

Jon’s more comfortable, Marinette wasn’t really bothered in the first place. Luka and Damian are now having crises

Luka makes a joke under his breath in an attempt to calm down before his Hanahaki acts up

It did not help bc Damian overhears and gives a small amused snort that made his heart stutter but hey positive interaction!

Both Marinette and Jon but end up having feelings very similar to the one Damian had earlier when they look over at Damian and Luka’s little interaction - Damian’s giving Luka a small smirk and Luka is entirely embarassed at being heard when he wasn’t hadn’t meant to be.

But then Luka gives Jon a small sign before he excuses himself to the restroom so Luka can run off and cough up his flower petals

You remember that whole thing about the kidnapping people with hanahaki so they die and medicine and things can be collected from the flowers springing up from their corpse thing? Yeah, the kids are in Gotham and there is definitely a group there that has dealings with the trade and someone saw Luka hacking up flowers

but they mark him and pull back to plan instead of kidnapping him then and there bc drama and Jon followed him to the restroom to check on him

Date ends ok and everyone’s kind of an emotional wreck

Damian has surprisingly learned his lesson on miscommunication and guiltily confides his fantasy to her like a parishioner to his priest

Marinette basically goes same and confesses about the moment she and Jon saw his interaction with Luka.

“So, We’re together, and they’re together...and I might be in love with Jon, you think you might be in love with Luka... What now?“ Damian asked, trying to make sense of it all

“We could...” Marinette swallows, “um, all four of us? together?“ she offered meekly. Seeing that Damian seemed to like the idea, she continued. “Y’know, feel out how receptive they are to the idea and then just seduce them?”

Ok, so the temporary communication skills were nice.

Because instead of talking it out with their best friends, they decide to seduce them but to be fair, there’s at least one version of this where Damian got where he did because of seduction.

Between both Damian and Marinette’s phsyical attractiveness, their combined determination and stubbornness, Damian’s assassin seduction knowledge, and Marinette’s fashion ability and tactical knowledge of where to accentuate what, Jon and Luka have no chance of leaving pining hell for the foreseeable future.

Marinette doubles down on the “double dates” aka, seduction plans in action and group hang outs, aka much more softer, subtle seduction plans

Marinette and Damian do not do much seeing how receptive they are and really just jump right into the seduction, except they adjust the plans so Luka and Jon don’t catch on so Daminette couple thinks it’s ok to go all out.

Cue seduction and pining hijinks, and a whole lot of bloodly flowers and plenty of internal screaming

Damian learns that Luka might not be too bad in the group and Jon is panicking because oh shit he’s got another crush and it’s his best friend’s girlfriend.

the quartet’s love issues are really full circle... or whatever this shape is supposed to be. Because there’s still the whole Viperion/superboy thing and - i just... I’m not going to keep analyzing this.

Somewhere during this, Jon confesses his feelings this particular friend group to Con, leaving out the whole Hanahaki thing. Con tells Tim for advice on being a big brother and things happen but I’m not sure what. I just want TimCon and the Superboys bonding

So a couple weeks pass by the Hanahaki’s getting pretty bad and Luka suddenly goes missing

Ladybug and the bats are on it as soon as they realize he’s gone

Except they are missing one, very important piece of information

Luka’s hanahaki

So, for the next few days, they don’t get anywhere until Jon slips up and ends up coughing up a shitton of bloody flowers which leads to panic, confusion and explanation, bc wtf Jon, you’re supposed to be dating Luka and that’s definitely not unrequited

So everyone gets the full explanation, the final piece of the puzzle snaps into place and the bats are on it.

Marinette and Damian have to put aside that whole revelation in order to track and save Luka before he dies of Hanahaki

They both make sure to kiss Jon first so he doesn’t get handicapped by his hanahaki like Ladybug did but he and Luka will be on thin ice once they get Luka back

So it’s pretty much a race against time bc they don’t know how bad Luka’s hanahaki is

Tracking, beat up bad guys, possible magic related villain(s) searching for potion ingredients that may take harm Superboy more than than if they weren’t there

They rescue Luka or Luka and Ssass break out as Viperion and meet them halfway.

Hey, the identity reveals!

 Either way, at the end of it, Luka ends up with Ladybug and the unconscious and they have to wait until he wakes up to administer the kiss/cure bc it doesn’t work if one party is unconscious

which sparks an interesting idea of a sleeping beauty-cinderella style hanahaki fic where it would work if they’re unconscious, and the patient has to find go out to find who cured them and I’ll have to adjust some other rules of the hanahaki disease such as who can cure it but goddamn it

So while Luka’s out, Marinette and Damian confront the possibly injured but very much awake Jon

Once Luka wakes up and is brought up to speed, they take care of his hanahaki and work out the new boundaries of their new relationship

Part one is longer and I’m a bit put out by that. This made much more sense in my head but if you got this far, my rambling must have made some sort of sense.