#Anti-Mormon Rhetoric
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Unveiling the Deceptive Critique of Prophet Joseph Smith's Teachings
The post at Life After Ministries attempts to critique Joseph Smith, founder of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS), by comparing his actions with those of Old Testament prophets.
Joseph Smith Preaching – Teacher of God’s Truth Introduction The question of whether Joseph Smith bore the infirmities of others is one that appears to bare significant amount of misrepresentation from a critic of the LDS faith. This recent example comes from Michelle, an active contributor at the Life After Ministries blog, who published a post concerning a quote taken from the “Discourses of…
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My mom just sent a message to the family group chat suggesting that my siblings download the 'For the Strength of Youth' magazine on their Gospel Library app and talked about how much the youth magazines helped her testimony growing up and like, cool. Fine. Don't know why the 'sending random spiritual thoughts in the gc' thing started out of nowhere when it hadn't been a thing for a decade but this is just another one of those, and you're ofc allowed to talk about things that are significant in your life.
I don't think sending the 'What I Did When Someone Close to Me Challenged My Faith' article right afterwards was strictly necessary though 🙃
#hi bg mutuals 👋 i'm gonna vent about this from time to time. if any mutuals dont want to see it block the 'apostake' tag#trying not to read too much into it b/c I think I did last time something like this happened#and i dont want to make an ass of myself even if neither time would actually be in front of my parents#but like...i know that they know that one of my sisters is clearly PIMO#they went through her phone a couple weeks ago and i have no idea if they read my texts w/ her#but if they did they probably saw the conversation i had with her about some of the really common shelf-breakers#and telling her to take looking into it at her own pace b/c it's scary and overwhelming#(a conversation SHE started btw)#and when i talked to my parents about the larger context of that whole situation i talked about not having space to step back#and their response was that they give plenty of space b/c they dont make her go to seminary???#that's not the same thing as letting her openly question & potentially leave the church idk what to tell you#like. besties i dont know for sure what caused it (which is NOT making things better. it just feels potentially passive aggressive)#but from my end? it sure looks like it might be a reaction to that. probably not JUST that (friends exist) but.#if you think I'm whispering anti-mormon rhetoric into my siblings' ears just ask me. i'm very much NOT doing that#i'm just. talking? to them? when and if they come to me with questions?#and not making my answer 'well there's a reason our parents raised us in the church! ☺️'#(an actual argument given in the article my mom sent)#hate it. thanks#apostake#jay rambles#ok to interact#im not challenging anyone's faith. my patience though? INCREDIBLY challenged#gotta figure out how to work my way around a 'hey please dont send spiritual thoughts to the gc *I'm in*' talk tactfully#they've been pretty chill about me leaving over-all?? at least to my face#haven't pushed me to go to church w/ them; was fine with me not visiting for easter; didnt try to convince me to not drink coffee; etc#it's just. frustrating that they're not giving my siblings that still live with them that same grace#my sister's 17 ffs#it's very possible im way overreacting to the article. but what is tumblr for if not screaming into the void#religion#mormonism
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Sometimes healing from religious trauma is looking back and going “HOLY FUCK! YOU SAID WHAT? JESUSSSSS CHRIST! I WAS A CHILD YOU SAID THAT TO, THATS JUST BLATANT HATE! MY GOD” and then hating yourself for ever believing it because you weren’t taught any different and had to on your own time realize that the adults in your life were just casually spouting hate speech with the excuse of religious texts.
And by the way. Feel free to vent in the tags or comments. Just PLEASE, don’t come onto here and try and argue why any points anyone tries to make about things they’ve been through aren’t that bad or should be ignored. Right now this is a safe space for people who have been through religious trauma. Not for people who are happy in their religion and want to convert others.
You have your own spaces. Use them.
#looking at you lds/Mormons#you know. I don’t care about the whole “oh we don’t want to be called mormons that’s disrespectful” thing#cause like. you know what’s more hateful?#ANTISEMITISM#Not even like “well it’s not our fault you interpreted it wrong type either. just blatant antisemitsm and being like and they had it coming#like no????? also like your religion is the fannon/fanfic of all Christian religons#no one treats you seriously you fucking crack ship of a religion and leave#the things that I was just casually taught that when you look back on it with like even the slightest bit of rose colored glasses removed#is just blatant hate speech man.#like no. don’t go around saying the native Americans are Jews who were forsaken by god#that’s racist#and also FULL of antisemitism#the amount of “and remember god is a white man who only loves us and only loves white men” speeches I’ve had is far too many#like I’ve been told to become a mom because god made me that way and it’s disrespectful to want a job cause god made us nurturing unlike men#and like all the anti-gay rhetoric and anti-trans#like if you’re not an old cishet white man from the 50s you are FUCKED in the eyes of their god#and people wonder why I think that the idea that god died years ago is preferable to a god existing#cause like. an all loving god wouldn’t allow for THIS SHIT especially not in the one true religion as some churches believe#tw vent#tw religion#tw homophobia#tw antisemitism#tw transphobia#tw racism#tw lds church and lds church beliefs#tw xenophobia#kinda? but I’m just gonna say yes to be safe#the amount of trigger warnings when I’m not even going IN DEPTH about any of the shit I’ve heard is honestly concerning and talks for itself#tw sexism#religious trauma
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Elder Oaks' address in October 2024 asks for civility and less polarization. “We need to love and do good to all. We need to avoid contention and be peacemakers in all our communications,” he advised. “This does not mean to compromise our principles and priorities but to cease harshly attacking others for theirs.”
Elder Oaks spoke about "temporary commandments," such as the exodus west by the early pioneers, and "permanent commandments." Some examples of permanent commandments include avoiding contention, tithing, fully embracing “The Family: A Proclamation to the World” and using the “revealed” name of the church.
He asked members to cease attacking others if their beliefs differ from your own. “As we pursue our preferred policies in public actions, let us qualify for his blessings by using the language and methods of peacemakers,” he urged. “In our families and other personal relationships, let us avoid what is harsh and hateful.”
Elder Oaks closes his remarks with the idea that in social and political discussions, “truth” needs to be taught and implies that apostles and prophets teach truth—so defend them.
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In response to Elder Oaks' address, his grandson Jared Oaks made the following comment via Latter Gay Stories:
GENERAL CONFERENCE COMMENTARY: My grandfather seems to have made a religious career out of anti-LGBTQIA2S+ policies, not prophesies. I’m saddened by that. Although I am not a practicing Mormon, I regret that he does not represent the best parts of Mormonism. What’s up with “don’t be mad at us for hating you”?
Mormonism, like other traditions and philosophers, has immense room for everyone; but Grandpa’s “love, but” rhetoric tells me that I am more welcome with Mormon membership than family.
There was one who “wept and stretched forth his arms, and his heart swelled wide as eternity.” My grandfather does not know what that means, judging from his addresses.
Love can and should include all.
The many LDS members who are friends of mine do not act and speak with anything but love for everyone. They constitute a “true church.” I can’t tell you how many amazing Mormons I know. I come from this tradition and care about the better parts of it.
Speaking of harmful rhetoric within families, as my grandfather did today, I was shocked when, just before meeting with one of my amazing cousins, [Dallin’s wife] Kristen Oaks, warned my grandpa that I might be wearing a “wife beater.”
That stung.
For the record, I am unmarried. If that makes me a royal disappointment, I accept the mantle.
-Jared Oaks
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I think what Jared is saying is the church can’t have it both ways. They can’t embrace "truths" which disparage minority communities and then want others to be okay and not get upset for members simply proclaiming their beliefs which are hurtful. Jared points out that his grandfather, Dallin H. Oaks, despite these words calling for more kindness, has not been kind to queer people—his own grandson included.
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SOTU - 2024
Well, I'm forcing myself to watch the State of the Union while I grade speeches, so I figured I'd record my reactions and thoughts here.
Do I hope for the words "Immediate Ceasefire"? Absolutely. Will we get them? Looking at the track record, probably not. But I remain optimistic because otherwise I'd be six feet under by now; ANYWHO here is a list of my reactions/thoughts/general feelings of the evening's watch.
I do want to give a point of clarity: I technically am identified as a democrat; truly, I'm a socialist, but seeing as how the U.S. is stuck in this godforsaken two-party-system, that is where I am. Though both sides have me feeling very french-revolutionary-esque.
Of course the first thing I see if MTG rifling through her purse on screen. I quite literally despise her.
AP is discussing Ukraine's need for weapons and funding; I would truly rather us align with Ukraine than Isr@el. I will stand unapologetically firm for Palestine and Ukraine.
Who is actually in the cabinet? I know Blinken, Garland, and Buttiegeg. Damn, wish he was running again. Would rather have him than Biden.
How insane is it that the Sec. of Defense didn't even let the White House know that he had to go in for surgery because of cancer. Like, that's just bonkers to me.
Republicans truly look like fucking robots right now. No warm greetings, no hellos, simple nods.
Republicans out here wasting fucking time with that impeachment of Mayorkas. Like how about we house the homeless populations with the money they wasted on this circus.
Oh funky fresh look at the Ultra-Mormon(TM) Mitt Romney.
MTG with that stupid fucking MAGA hat on is just... disgusting. Like this bitch is crazy.
Okay Joe, speed it up down the fucking aisle please. I got papers to grade.
Lowkey Joe looks like he might have had a five-hour energy drink with that big-ole look in his eyes.
I do appreciate that Joe still smiles and is kind to MTG. She truly doesn't deserve it.
Okay this is getting just a wee bit too monarchy for me.
MTG holds up a button saying "Laken Riley..." (couldn't read the rest). Riley was a 14 year old girl murdered by a man who was an illegal immigrant of venezuela, and instead of handling this situation with grace, empathy, and love; MTG and others seem to be capitalizing on her death to push their anti-immigration rhetoric.
Okay, cool selfie skills Joe, but let's get on with it.
ALSO HOW IS JOE BIDEN GONNA BE SO IN DEPTH WITH TECH AND "Savvy" WITH IT WHEN MOTHERFUCKER WANTS TO BAN TIKTOK!? Hello?!
BERNIE AND RAPHAEL! I feel like I haven't seen these guys in 10 million years.
Oh thank god we're starting.
Aww the little hand shake thingy he does with Kamala makes my heart happy.
Did Joe just yell "tony"?!
Wow, even got some republicans clapping for him (probs not a good thing but here we are)
Okay, good bit of humor at the top; and a throwback to the 40s. Funky fresh.
Yeah we ain't living in ordinary times for damn sure.
Interesting point of democracy being attacked here in the U.S. AND Internationally. (Mentions Ukraine and Putin; no word on Gaza yet).
Someone busted out a Ukrainian flag and shook it; rock on.
OH SHIT HE GOT MIKE JOHNSON TO CLAP!
Appreciate the insistance that the U.S. won't send troops to UKR.
Good use of Reagan to connect with the Repubs; and compare to the predecessor (aka Tr*mp).
Mike Johnson nodding instead of clapping about the predecessor comment, trying to save his ass in Orange Man's eyes.
Welcome to NATO, Sweden!
If there is one thing that should connect Democrats and Republicans; it's hatred for Putin. Yet there's a mix of Repubs standing in agreement and sitting to back up the predecessor's comment on Putin doing "whatever the hell he wants"
Talking about Jan 6. What breaks my heart? My parents still believe it wasn't an insurrection. Yikes on Bikes for me.
The line "You can't love your country only when you win" hits hard and even got Mike Johnson to applaud in agreement.
Foreign AND Domestic. Need a hefty focus on that with the right-wing republican group (@ MTG, Gaetz, Cruz, etc.)
Discussing IVF in Alabama; good connection to the overturning of Rowe v. Wade. It sucks that Republicans HAVE THE POWER to protect IVF nationally but shot the damn bill down not even a week ago.
ABORTION IS A HUMAN RIGHT. BODILY AUTONOMY IS A HUMAN. FUCKING. RIGHT. (@ The Missouri Senators who support taking away bodily autonomy).
WOMEN AREN'T WITHOUT ELECTORAL AND POLITICAL POWER; WE ABOUT TO TURN UP IN FORCE MOTHERFUCKERS!!! Bring back the strats from the 1900s; time to use our power and go bonkers.
Someone get Joe a glass of water please. Motherfucker looks a bit parched and keeps coughing. I get that when my throat goes dryyy
Can Biden not restore RvW? Can he not by an executive order make RvW the law of the land already?
Revisiting COVID's start from 2020 (Next week is the four year anniversary since the global pandemic).
PFFT idk who just yelled "LIES" but that was comical AF.
Well, the pandemic still controls a big part of our lives... so...don't agree with that shit.
Man, everyone sitting-and-standing must be getting a HELLA calf work out.
Sure, unemployment is down and new jobs are built; but corporate greed is quite literally killing us. Can Congress or Biden do something, damn it?!
Are we beginning to feel it, though? Are we feeling good economics? I doubt we are.
Good job pointing out how both parties have failed to buy american products, but how this admin has established that.
There's a good two rows of Republicans who stand in applause; but the rest just... sit there. Like robots. It's freaky as fuck.
Joe is actually doing pretty great with the flow of this speech. Only a couple of stumbles, but overall pretty gucci. (He'd get a 9/10 on delivery in my public speaking class).
God these fuckers are really gonna make me run for office at this damn point.
Removing poisonous lead pipes... but there's still a water crisis in Flint, Biden. Like, what the fuckeroni do you mean?
Yes, let's invest in family farms; lets stop selling our farmland (especially in Missouri) to foreign countries (@ China buying up TONS of Missouri Farmland).
I love that the UAW president is here, because he straight up is my kind of people. Dude wears eat-the-rich shirts and calls out the unethical-ness of billionaires.
UAW President pointing to Biden saying "It's you!"; nah dawg, it's you Sean.
MIDDLE CLASS DID BUILD THE COUNTRY AND UNIONS BUILT THE MIDDLE CLASS MOTHER FUCKERS!!!
Yes we get back up but right now...we might be getting more french revolutionary-esque if y'all don't stop PLAYING WITH OUR LIVES.
Oh jesus not the 4-more-years chants.
Oh now we talking about the future
YES PLEASE END TRICKLE DOWN ECONOMIES.
Says he's not anti-corp; but points out how trickle down economics has only helped the wealthy.
Yeah, how the fuck does it hurt the wealthy to pay just a weeee bit more in taxes? Like dawg, what are you gonna do with another million? What's the point?
Ooooh is Biden about to rope the repubs into some bipartisan shit? Please do.
What is Republicans huge issue with capping insulin? Truly? Who does it harm? Billionaires still get billions.
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Been mourning the wedding I could never have.
There were no Mormon weddings on TV so I modeled my future temple wedding off of other christian weddings. I thought temples would be similar on the inside to church-houses, that there'd be a chapel to wed in, husband and wife would exchange personal vows or use something similar to the conventional christian cookie cutter vows only without the "death till we part" rhetoric because temple marriage would be forever. I thought there'd be chapel's worth amount of people attending. I thought the bride could wear a nice flowing dress and the groom could wear a black suit.
Knowing that temple weddings were supposed to be indoors, kids can't attend and that temple weddings were supposed to be for marriage forever were the only major differences I knew of at first.
I remember as a kid getting angry at the show Caillou for a wedding episode where some couple had their wedding outdoors and Caillou was allowed to attend despite being a little kid. I'd watch Spiderman 2 and shame Peter Parker for suggesting Mary Jane be married outdoors.
Then I went on Temple Open Houses and saw pictures of the sealing room to realize it was nothing like a chapel. But the infinity mirror was cool and I readjusted my expectations, but still sometimes forgetting and gravitating toward that chapel wedding image.
Then I went to temples for baptisms for the dead a few times. I hated it. I was so ill prepared. I felt scared to ask questions in fear of breaking some holy silence. I'd get confused on where the group was. It was very disorienting. And I didn't get to see any part of the temple that I didn't need to see for what I was doing. I didn't want to feel unprepared again and curiosity got the best of me so I found explanations of the rest of the temple online. And it all too ridiculous and different from what I imagined.
I feel like I was raised in a totally different religion that's been taken away from me. People want to convert to this brand new religion of the temple that was nothing like what I wanted. My dreams of nice suits and dresses are broken. It's such a betrayal.
People really expect me to pay 10% of my income for this? Tithing didn't seem like much as a kid when you didn't actually have to care about money, but now I realize how much it is. The temple is the most expensive wedding venue, even individual invitees need to pay for entry, it has a low occupancy so not many people could attend anyway and it's absolutely butt ugly. Not worth it. 0/10
I feel like I can't love someone. Not just because I'm a shy friendless anti-social wreck. But also because I don't want to face the expectations of temple marriage and I don't want my partner to be made to feel like they're driving a wedge between my and my family. I wouldn't want them to be preached to and blamed for not wanting a temple marriage either. Sometimes I wonder if it'd be easier to become partners with a man or a trans person than with a cis-woman. It'd burn bridges so quick. No one would expect us to get married in the stupid temple.
Had all these thoughts stuck in my head in an incoherent song. I imagine it starting out like something solemn you'd hear at a wedding before turning into pop music. So I got some cheesy lyrics with the most boring rhyme schemes and some songs I'd steal and mix melodies from, in my mind.
I thought I’d be married in a suit Surrounded by everyone I knew She’d be wearing a dress so white As I stared down that endless hall into her eyes ... But now I know it can not happen I think I was raised in a different faith Now they’re trying to convert me to a new religion Never thought this would be my fate ... Can you see me in a suit kneeling at the altar? I thought my faith would never falter. ... Misleading photos in magazines, But not a single wedding on TV. Thought the temple walls was just a canopy, But now I know what I wasn’t supposed to see. ... Brooches of flowers, reduced down to leaves. Rainbows of colors, now just white and green. ... My chapel shrunk into a tiny chamber. My entry list saw friends as strangers. ... If there’s such a thing as a life hereafter. You don’t need a building to be together forever.
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Name and find me at least one person who is anti-ship and didn't have an evangelical or puritanical upbringing throughout most their life and then come talk to me about why you have that rhetoric in the first place.
Every. Single. Person. Who I've met that held anti-ship rhetoric had an evangelical upbringing of some sort. Weather that be some branch of Christianity, Catholic, at times Islam and whatever cults that exist such as Jehovahs Witnesses and Mormonism.
Not once have I met an anti-ship person who wasn't brought up in one of those religions or cults I've listed above. I'm just saying that anti-ship/purist rhetoric comes from *somewhere*, and the reoccurring patterns with these people's backgrounds surrounding their beliefs just keep confirming my suspicions.
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sorry but acting like capitalism invented daily caffeine consumption is hilariously ignorant and these bizarre anti caffeine awareness people are just spouting the logical conclusion of drug war rhetoric. you sound like a bunch of fucking mormons lmao
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Everyone's like "the radical feminists make porn out to be the epitome of all misogyny, they dont understand how deeply misogyny is entrenched everywhere" and then in the same breath, call men who view women as objects "porn addicts" and claim that it is the primary source of them doing this.
Ahhh very good observation! Another contradiction among anti-feminists… on some level they know the feminist analysis is correct but they don’t want to outright agree with it! So they demonize and find a roundabout way of approving of the idea anyways…
TBH, I don’t like the addiction model that much, though. I think that rhetoric is often an attempt to take make porn users look like victims (and make the adult film stars look like evil siren-like villains). It takes the focus away from the exploitative industry and the understanding of porn as propaganda. There’s a reason why this model is so popular among Mormon-related think tanks and not radical feminists like Dworkin and Mackinnon
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The Nature of God, Trinity Doctrine, and LDS Beliefs
Eric Johnson's claim that Latter-day Saint teachings lack evidence is easily refutable. Extensive scholarly research and ancient texts, combined with modern theological studies, offer a robust body of evidence supporting these teachings.
Members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints Are Christians: Here’s Why Members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints Are Christians: Here’s WhyBiblical Definition of a ChristianMatthew 16:24-26Romans 12:1-3God Was Never a SinnerThe Concept of ‘Mormon Jesus’Jesus and Satan as Brothers: Historical ContextSatan as a Son of God: Biblical References in Job 1 and 2Symbols…
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Saw a post about how devote religious queer people belong in pride. I was really touched and happy, since that’s what I believe too! Pride is for everyone (except cops!)
But then I went to op’s blog, they were spewing anti-mormon rhetoric, and it made me feel hurt. Didn’t you say we belong at pride?
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Hi! (This is gonna be a long ask) I read your post about wishing you could be fine with your friend that's on a mission and your queerstake friends choosing to stay in the cult and I totally get it I won't go into too much detail since you said you don't want trauma dumps, but as a pimo (physically in, mentally out if you didn't know) exmo, it's been hard with my cousin currently on a mission and my queer friends at church doing lots of things to interact with the cult (I don't know if they're pimo like me or not, and I don't want to ask bc it might damage our relationship if they are in the church) As far as deconstruction goes, it varies from person to person how they handle facts/media/etc. that goes against the cult - some people who are more closed minded when it comes to those things will either ignore it and/or label it as "evil" or "anti mormon", while people who are more open minded and/or are more naturally inquisitive may accept it and/or try and debate you and/or at least think about it (I was an open minded tbm, my deconstruction started in seminary when one of my (pimo) friends would poke holes in church doctrine, asking rhetorical questions like "Why would god do it like that?" or "Couldn't this just have happened instead?" and it really got me thinking) And finally, if you want more information about how the church operates and why it can be such a dangerous cult, I'd recommend checking out Exmo Lex's channel on youtube, her videos are really good and she's good at explaining and teaching things to people who were never members of the cult I'd also recommend reading the CES letter and Letter For My Wife if you want to learn about the early church and the big problems with it Hope you have a good day!
aaa thank you so much!
it hasn't been very long at all but i'm starting to have hope for some of my friends. exposing them to unapologetic queerness and a few subtlely religion-critical posts seems to be going well! hopefully i'll have practice by the time the mission ends and i can finally talk more openly with that friend.
i don't think i'll seek out more info just on the basis that i'm upset enough thinking about what i do know. i'll keep those in mind though!
hope everything's going well for you!
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My parents are the most anti LGBT people I know. They hate us with a passion. Do you think that I will get poison by my parents if I continue to live with them?
I don't know your parents so I can't really answer that question, but it's horrifying to think a child would even consider this a possibility?
There is a thing about Mormons and many other conservative Christians in which they don't see the existence and identity of queer people as real because they don't fit in with their theology. When their queer family & friends come out, Mormons often feel like they have to choose between their church or their loved one, and that's not a good feeling.
It's a reason that some Mormons can be really aggressive in expressing negative views of queer people, because even our mere existence is threatening to their worldview.
I should clarify, the LDS Church has slowly been shifting its rhetoric about queer people, gay people in particular. I think it leaves some members confused. Many aren't aware that the way church leaders talk about queer people has shifted for the better.
Here's some questions that are hard for many Mormons to answer in a way that anything that doesn't sound rejecting, and yet they claim to love their neighbor?
Is it okay for somene to identify as gay?
Will they still be gay when they die?
Are queer people a mistake?
Is being queer just a challenge or trial of this life?
Are queer people an affront to God?
Are queer people automatically not in the Celestial Kingdom and therefore no longer sealed to their parents, meaning coming out as queer is akin to breaking up an eternal family?
Let me end on a hopeful note. In past decades, many families chose their church over their child. These days most families make a different choice, whether it's trying to hold onto both or choosing their child over their church. Many strongly anti-queer people have had to confront and modify their bigotry when someone they love comes out because the person that sits across the dinner table from them does not match all the horrible beliefs they once held.
And one more positive note, The worst part of coming out is not knowing how things will turn out. It's the unknown and worry that it will be 100% the worst-case scenario is common, but it will not be 100% worst case, nor will it be 100% best case. Most people are surprised to find it's closer to the best case scenario than it is to the worst case scenario they imagined.
I hope your parents' love for you is strong enough to cause them to question the bigoted thoughts that have shaped and defined who they think queer people are.
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Is this my way of processing the last two days of General Conference? Absolutely. If you feel so inclined, come along with me, we'll see where we end up. This might get spicier (and rantier) than some are comfortable with so proceed to your comfort level <3
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So, the October 2023 general conference is over and I am angry. But, in truth, nothing new was said--the mormon church remains a bigoted institution. This is just how it goes--so why I am so angry? What about this conference makes any difference?
Parhaps I'm new enough in the lgbtq+ community to still flinch at anti-queer rhetoric. Perhaps I am a fool who trusts change might come. Perhaps it's the logical failings in our theology as currently presented that suggests our leaders are too smug in their condemnations.
Or perhaps it's my feeling that it shouldn't have to be this way.
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Today, for conference, I wore a new dress that gives me a euphoric silhouette. My partner called it my armor. It was Oakes and Christofferson who convinced me of it--I need a stronger dose of self-love to get through the weekend.
It wasn't all bad to be sure. The hurtful talks were in the minority. Any thoughts on the impacts of these talks is just speculation. But I know that people are hurting with what was said, and I know that I was hurt. And all the dresses in the world wouldn't have helped.
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I'm sure there will come the usual hand waving. Some will nod sagely, perhaps even sympathetically and say "it's so nice when the Prophet and apostles don't hold back". To you I say, I'm glad you are so sure in your standing with God to afford some schadenfreude.
Others will say that they are mistaken, or it was just their opinions, or they are just a product of their time. I do agree that everyone is imperfect, but if I were to use imperfection as the excuse for the negative impacts of my actions, I don't think it would be very meaningful. Harm is being done--we can't make excuses to justify it.
Others will say that we are to turn our cheeks and accept our lot. This to me also is worrying. The Bible is unclear on this point, but where is the line where you stop turning cheeks and start flipping tables?
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There is a lot to unpack from conference. But I also want to do more than I am currently doing. I can't do anything about the Leaders, but I'm going to try and love harder than I currently do, reach out more than I currently do, and be the best disciple of Christ not destined to the celestial kingdom I can be!
#queerstake#it was a rough conference#if you are hurting know that there is community here#take time for self care
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Hi there, is there a link to your about page that people can access via the tumblr mobile app?
you can try my direct About link but I don't know if it's readable on mobile, I'm a strictly desktop user and I've been here since before the site became mobile-centric, so I genuinely don't know what's accessible and what isn't :( my phone can't really run the tumblr app half the time, so it's not something i'm able to check for.
honestly it's nothing that isn't pretty much covered by "i'm here i'm queer get used to it" or looking at the political stuff i do reblog. brief summary being i'm nb, aspec, anti-terf, anti-swerf, anti-cop, and anti-harassment. longer summary: I do my best to be an ally to jewish and muslim folk, but i am very under-educated in that area. same applies to mental illnesses. i was around during The Ace Raids(period of tumblr history where the site went extremely anti-ace for, at the time, no discernable reason. now we know it was general anti-queer getting its hooks in early.) and i watched the birth of the mogai community and the bi v pan debate. as a result my attitude towards identity is "you're the expert, just use whatever label suits you best and i'll believe you about it". i respect older/"outdated" identities and do my best to learn about queer history and incorporate that knowledge into my views. i can get kind of anti-christian at times due to the general trauma of living in the united states and watching "religious belief" become the excuse for massive levels of abuse and control, but i do respect people who use that belief to help people and push positive change. i view Missionary Work(i.e. going to another location and doing charity specifically to spread the word of your religion, like the god damn mormons are constantly doing) as inherently colonization and fundamentally do not understand people who consider it to be a good deed. i am against arranged marriage, but respectful to those who are comfortable in theirs. I support poly marriage(i am poly myself), and i think we need to severely change how disability aid is handled so that disabled people can marry who they want without losing their coverage and don't have to literally count pennies to make sure they're not over an insanely low limit. i can get kind of loud about intersex people's existence and rights. I support landback, but i am under-educated in native issues. I consider neurodivergency a positive thing, but i also acknowledge it as a disability. i consider the political lesbians of the 1960s to have been infiltrates and traitors, as their beliefs were foundational to modern TERF rhetoric. I don't have a DNI(if some asshole decides to follow me they're gonna see exactly what i think about them very quickly, and if they stick around anyways, maybe something i post will shake their beliefs a little), but TERFs, SWERFs, nazis and MAGAs get blocked on sight. harassment will also be blocked and reported. I am a strong believer in online anonymity; i don't think it's wise to share your age, sex, race or location unless it's something you WANT people to be aware of. I also don't think it's a good idea to share your face, but i don't harp on people who do make that choice unless they're underaged(and even then it's gonna be a very light 'hey maybe this is a bad idea'). double points on location, stop telling people where you live. that should NEVER have been normalized.
i'm also into a lot of fandoms, and i don't usually tag unless asked. current tags: NSFC(not safe for crystal, basically any mention of death will be under this), Facepaint, Spiders, Cats, Horrible Things, Important, Signal Boost, For My Wife, Frosty, Crinket, and Awesome Music. if you dig too deep into that last one you'll find some OLD tumblr culture. i also try to tag for content warnings like abuse, flashing lights, and sexual assault.
in short, i think other people should be able to exist how they want to as long as it's not inherently harmful to others, and i love to learn more about the world and spread that knowledge. i'm gonna see if i can make this my pinned post, this is honestly a better summary of what you're gonna see on this blog than my about page is. also, not the most important thing, but I do have memory problems, so i usually use Likes as a way to show myself i've already reblogged/seen something. ff to block if this ain't your rodeo, and welcome aboard if you stay!
#about#also if a political post on this blog is more than 3 years old there's a chance i don't stand by it anymore#i have changed in the past and i will change again as i learn more about people and our world#i'm also a liiiittle suspicious of anybody who hates men just for existing#or makes their lesbianism about Hating Men when it's supposed to be about Loving Women#i had my hater phase too but like. they're just people?#i THINK that about covers it.#long post#oh yeah also i fucking hate Prev Tags with a passion especially after the update
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1 Chronicles 4: 21-23. "The Emissary."
The Gematria for this section comes from Beth Ashbeah, the Linen Workers. Linen has to be growen, harvested, retted, then spun into fibers and then woven.
Linen garments are a sign of intense refinement. The Gematria says:
"Kabbalah changes the Bible. Decode the Bible. Hitler and Armageddon caused the codes to be hidden. Decode the Record and the world will become Shabbathai, the Bride of the King.
Use charisma to speak against the fake people and the pedophile, and a snake will be killed."
This obviously refers to the problem posed by the terrorists of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints and their leader, Mitt Romney, who are by far the worst enemies of a global Shabbat since Hitler.
Once we decide to fully enforce laws prohibiting domestic terrorism and those against the Mormon's predilections for pedophilia and human trafficking, significant progress towards Shabbathai will be made.
This will require the closure of the Church for good along with the Republican Party and its support mechanisms lest the world once again fall prey to its rhetorics of violence, bigotry, anti-Semitism, homophobia and terracide.
21 The sons of Shelah "The Emissary" son of Judah:
Er the father of Lekah, Laadah the father of Mareshah and the clans of the linen workers at Beth Ashbea,
er=the wild ass vs. the donkey that conveys Mashiach.
Lekah=goes forth
Laadah=talk widly
Mareshah=the summit
Beth Ashbea=house of the oath
22 Jokim, the men of Kozeba, and Joash and Saraph, who ruled in Moab and Jashubi Lehem. (These records are from ancient times.)
Jokim=the Lord will raise up
Kozeba=lying
Joash=Yah has grasped
Saraph=burning serpent
Moab=who is your father?
Jashubi Lehem=war is returning
23 They were the potters who lived at Netaim and Gederah; they stayed there and worked for the king.
Netaim=plantations
Gederah=wall
The Gematria for this section comes from the word Shelah:
"There is an alarm. Cancer booms the meaning. The Hidden Code has changed. Changed, changed.
Decode Me, All of Me, I am the Beach by the Black Sea, I am the Egg and the Thigh, I am the Face. I am God."
The Torah Tantra for the above is:
"The antichrist goes forth and talks wildly in the House of the Oath. The Lord has seen, war has come and He and His Prophets will rise up against the Liar, and protect the Garden Behind the Wall."
God is speaking to directly to His prophets through the Gematria, the Burning Serpent, telling them the world must do something to protect this place, the Garden Behind the Wall, from the Republicans and their imp, Donald Trump, a liar who took and oath. He had lots of help in this effort and now our world is now turning on borrowed time.
The evidence of Trump's betrayal is in the movie the Widows. Someone has extensive footage regarding Barbara and David Green's theft of Blue State Digital telemarketing lists from the Clinton campaign and the role the Family Research Council and Senator Hawley played in it. To pretend Trump et al are not guilty and to allow them to survive is to Bear False Witness against God and this cannot be tolerated.
Joe Biden must prosecute the Trump Administration, the Republican Party, the Family Research Council, the Greens, Waltons, the Kochs, the Heritage Foundation the RNC and every lawmaker and page that knew what happened at Josh Hawley's house and said nothing or our government should no longer be considered sovereign over us.
Donald Trump is a War Criminal. If the Biden Administration refuses to prosecute him for his crimes, then President Biden also needs to be arrested. Tolerance of election fraud and despotism undermines the edifice of modern civilzation. Public Servants who understand and respect the importance of this will arrest Donald Trump and Joe Biden if necessary this very instant.
To "ret" the sins of the former generation away from the present and weave the future together as if all were linen workers is how freedom from corruption and apartheid called Shabbathai will last.
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