#Anti Misha

[lightofraye]

It's come to my attention that most people are... not as skilled at reading body language as they'd like. Now, I'm not saying I'm a "certified" reader of body language (is there even such a thing?!), but I have an advantage most people do not have.

See, I was born into a deaf family, though I myself am not deaf. As a result, American SIgn Language is my first language. With American Sign Language, there's a lot of body language with it--it's not just gesturing with hands. It's reading facial cues, it's shifting the body this way and that, to convey the tone that would normally come with a tone of voice.

Why do I mention this? Because... well. I'll show you.

People don't realize that Jensen rubbing his face, pulling his hat off, running his hand through his hair was a stress response. He's stressed--with Misha. He's not happy being there, but had to be there.

Especially after being asked what he admired about Misha.

This? Not playful. Look at Jensen's face. He really didn't want to, but he's in a professional setting and therefore had to give Misha a hug back.

Again, a polite hug, not a genuine one.

Trust me, folks. Jensen merely tolerates Misha. He shouldn't, given all the bullshit Misha's put him through over the years with the Cockles nonsense (that Danneel supported, the witch!), had sexually assaulted Jensen during the filming of Supernatural, and so much more.

Edited to add information.

[laf-outloud]

For any fan of Misha to believe what he supposedly said in today's panel about taking a prank too far, they must either be new to the fandom, or have absolutely no memory of these stories before.

Let's be honest, the fans who think Misha's telling the truth "this time" absolutely know it's not true and are using this new story to persecute Jared, once again.

For those who haven't seen, here are the tweet reports from Misha's panel. Obviously, video will provide proof, but there are enough details to get the gist and these aren't the standard Misha-fan con reporters that like to lie about or twist what was said.

So, the original story about Jared taking a picture was told by Misha on the Inside of You podcast (see below). There was no zero gravity dive. Misha simply forgot to lock the bathroom door. Jared took a picture of him on the toilet, not naked and with no urine in sight. And yes, in retaliation, Misha flushed Jared's phone... the one that had the only pictures of his son, Shep's birth.

As for the getting knocked around, being covered in urine, etc. That comes from a trip Misha took with Rich, Rob, and Matt down to Australia for a convention. Misha tells the story here:

Matt, Rob and Rich have all corroborated that story here and here. It's actually a pretty funny story on it's own.

So, Misha put together some mash up of these two stories, making him the victim (once again) of a dangerous stunt supposedly perpetrated by Jared (which no pilot would ever agree, especially without all passengers belted).

If you haven't caught on by now, Misha lies. And he lies for a purpose. Most often, it's to engender sympathy from his fans so they'll continue to see him as poor, picked-on Misha who can related to them because they are also the 'outcasts' in their world. And if he can relate to them, then they'll continue to give him their money.

You may also wonder why Misha frequently references Jared as being the one to prank him (and often, the only one). One, because he needs Jensen as the other half of the Destiel pairing, which is another way to keep his fans dropping money in the coffers. And two... jealousy. From past stories and behavior, it's obvious Misha's jealous that Jared is as successful as he is, someone who never went to college but has worked steadily for over 24 years in an industry rife with unemployment. Misha likes to say things that imply Jared's only gotten by on his looks and not any kind of talent, but we know that's simply not the case. Actor's aren't employed for that long and that consistent on their looks alone. Talent and hard work are also needed, two traits which Misha obviously doesn't have, so he resorts to stringing along his dwindling fanbase with any story he can, regardless of it's veracity or whom it may hurt in the process.

Finally, Misha knows exactly who his fans are and how his fanbase takes the things he's said, so if he's ever called out and says he was joking and that people misinterpreted what he said, he's lying. And I'd say that lying was the only thing he was good at if it weren't so easy to debunk the lies.

[serenescreaming]

Before anyone gives money to Random Acts you should be aware that they are currently classified as "delinquent"

yes that is more than a year

This is the second letter sent to them and you should read this part in particular

So they should not be running any campaigns or accepting any funds.

[eisforeidolon]

So Misha originally told a story about flushing Jared's phone when he left the door unlocked to the airplane toilet and Jared took a picture of him in there when they were on a plane to the IOU podcast: [X]

Apparently at DC this weekend, the story changed to where his safety was endangered by a daredevil pilot while he was in the plane toilet at Jared's request and that was why he flushed the phone: [X]

Sure we could talk about how nonsensical the second version is, but I have a different point. This kind of shit is why I don't believe Misha just "has a bad memory", which is an excuse I've seen for why he's so inconsistent. His stories don't just change, they almost always pointedly escalate - either to make himself sound like more of a victim or to queerbait harder. If it was actually a memory issue, his stories wouldn't so routinely mutate to better match what his fans want to hear over time. Although the queerbaiting doesn't always escalate - it often differs most depending on who is at the convention or onstage with him. Which also does not remotely imply a memory issue so much as a being-a-cowardly-backstabbing-weasel issue.

A recap of some other highlights for emphasis:

I knew I was coming back in season 7 - no I didn't, I was out of work and sooooo stressed not knowing if I was coming back!

I was totally gonna be in the finale Roadhouse scene, but as Jimmy - no, Castiel was totally gonna be there and talk to Dean!

We horsed around on set and it was hilarious - actually Jared borderline sexually assaulted me and it was like a wildlife documentary seeing animals get eaten :( :( :(!

The CW has great representation and had no input on the ending of Supernatural in regards to D/C - if the network wasn't homophobic, they'd have been fucking lol!

[themoodyestj]

Why I'm anti-Misha...

I'm gonna be honest, despite his (very feeble) college degree and (definitely an acquired taste under heavy torture) literature, I still think the guy is dumb. He has very little to show up for, except those attempts on looking smart and staying relevant, attaching himself weakly (or for his own benefit) to causes that have very little to do with him.

And the logical thing would be for the world to forget him, or for him to become a meme, due to his top notch (insert ironic tone here) characterization of Castiel. A character, may I add, that had the potential of becoming infinitely interesting if only they had hired a real actor (you know, the kind who knows the craft and doest just hold on to the diploma for show). To all effects, given the mediocricy that seems to accompany this man in everything he is and does, it would be only logical for him to fade away like a dune is taken by the wind. But why didn't this happen, you may ask? Quite accidentaly, Misha has tapped in a powerful (yet finicky) phenomenon: fanaticism.

He leads on mentally weak people (in suble ways of course, although there are times he's not that subtle) into believing that they are the bearers of some twisted truth the world won't dare to acknowledge.

He tells them they can write their own story, which is true, but fails to act when the writing of their own story affects other people, like Jensen. The threats, the stress, the harrassment his "love" Jensen suffers from Misha's fans doesnt seem to affect Misha at all. He likes it. It pleases him. He encourages it.

Hellers behave like cult members, finding conspiracy theories in everything they can, keeping the delusion alive, knocking on other people's doors asking if they "found Castiel in their lives".

They brandish flags that do not belong to them, and cast a shameful shadow on real causes. (Mostly due to their bullying behaviours)

They even have cult priestesses, calling the minions (and flying monkeys) to action. I wouldnt be surprised if they started asking for donations to support their imaginary cause.

While Misha, their saviour, the good guy, profits from it all, disregarding who it may hurt (especially his followers).

[jarpadswalker]

Now, we all know exactly when, who, and how SPN set became toxic. Misha was the leech that hit SPN and made everything toxic. You could see how he impacted Jared just by looking at his health. Jared is glowing ever since Supernatural ended.

Also, it is very telling how not a single person has ever talked about how great it is to work with Misha in a public context ( barring the PR activity/con where actors have to give the party line). Nor, is he getting any new projects clearly seeing how unlikeable and toxic he is.

Also, not to forget this is not the first instance even during S7 when Misha was removed (a great initiative by Sara)he couldn't find a single job and started blaming Supernatural.

[walkergirlsposts]

Maybe the third lead to you, but he was always listed as recurring after season 7. Then in season 12 he was demoted to guest star. Read the credits people. He was never a lead.

[carolinagirl80]

I honestly don’t understand the whole “it’s just a joke”, “that’s how guys talk” like no?

First of all that’s a lame fucking excuse for his behavior. Just because you’re a fan doesn’t mean you have to protect every fucked up thing he says.

Let’s be honest non of us know them personally, we see what’s online and hear what’s said. So pretending like you know them, saying “he’s a good guy” and defending him like you do is embarrassing.

I use to be a fan of Misha. Well, more like I use to respect him as an actor and I enjoyed him in SPN. This year I had the privilege to meet him at a con. I say privilege because I know that many can’t afford to or haven’t had the opportunity.

It was so awkward, he clearly didn’t want to be there. Everything he said during his q&a catered to the audience. It was over all very fake, I still can’t understand how people feed into the stuff he says.

It really put a bad taste in my mouth. I’ve never been his biggest fan, just thought that it would be fun to meet someone, from the tv show the show I’ve loved for years. That being said if I could go back, I’d save my money instead of wasting it.

I’m not saying he wasn’t nice to me, I did have a longer interaction than others that had been in line. But as someone who hasn’t ever been an obsessive fan, I think it might have been easier not feeding into all the crap he says.

People forget that he gets paid to do this stuff. The reason why he’s a fan favorite is because of destiel. So ofc he’s going to milk it, since that’s the only thing he has to talk about.

All the questions were destiel related, he has nothing else to say about the show. Honestly I don’t think he remembers anything that happened in the show, except from all of the scenes where he can confirm that destiel is canon.

Anyway after that con I watched a few videos of other panels online, because Jensen and Jared didn’t attend the one I went to. And I have to say I agree with a lot of the things you’ve posted.

It’s clear that he tries hard to push Jared out of the picture, he forces this idea of being besties with Jensen at cons. It’s always so awkward watching them together. Most of the time Jensen just goes along with stuff Misha says, so he doesn’t have to answer the same questions about destiel being canon or not.

Jensen obviously takes his acting seriously, he played Dean for 15 years. So I don’t get when he says over and over again, that destiel isn’t a thing. That people can’t accept it and move on. I love Dean, but I’m not going to pretend I know him better than Jensen. He WAS Dean. He knows him inside and out.

Then we have Misha that eggs the fans on during these panels. It’s like Jensen tries to answer the question seriously. Then Misha swoops in makes a small joke out of it, like Jensen has no idea what he’s talking about and proceeds to talk over him. Giving them the answer they want to hear.

It even feels like he’s making fun of the fans at times, knowing that they feed into this crap and thinking it’s funny that they do.

Gives me the same vibes of Regina George saying “I love that bracelet where did you get it”. Then going back to the green room and making fun of it.

I mean he’s made fun of the show and fans before, there are literally videos or posts online.

ALSO!!! The whole thing Jensen said about it not being subtext it was clear text, has been so fucking twisted.

This has turned into more of a rant, sorry. But what I mean to say is I agree with a lot of the things you’ve said. I just don’t understand how people can’t see it? It’s so frustrating.

I don’t hate Misha, it just really really fucking bugs me, that people don’t see what he’s doing. I just don’t get that you, like others who point it out get attacked.

People go on and on about how hateful others are, then proceed to bully people online for pointing shit out? Make that make sense.

Hi Anon! Saw your other message, and yeah, I don't blame you there, but you are good, so here we go. Thank you for the message btw. Very refreshing after my last few that's for sure.

I will start by saying that I have never seen a group of people so willing to turn a blind eye to the numerous inappropriate things their fave does/says as the hellers/Misha Stans. Their mantra in life is "oh, it was just a joke". I mean, they have to say it constantly because Misha can't stop being inappropriate. He kinda has to though doesn't he? Otherwise, he couldn't keep them entertained and he'd float on off into obscurity.

Unfortunately, that requires the use of Jared and Jensen's names.

I'll start with Jensen just because I happen to already have a link ready.

So, with Jensen, he's going to play that Destiel/Cockles card as much as he possibly can. Always has, always will. Jensen has always said that Destiel doesn't exist. (Thanks to @Sammyiscat on X for posting this today, just when I needed it!)

Once upon a time, Jensen did do a little fan service and lean into it slightly during JenMish panels. However, he always made it as clear as possible how he really feels. Then the hellers called him homophobic for it. So earlier this year, as you mentioned, he called it "clear text" not subtext. He tried to be as diplomatic as possible. The unfortunate part of being diplomatic is that it allowed the hellers to twist themselves into pretzels making it sound like Jensen said the opposite of what he actually was saying.

What I find the most interesting is that in the last few years, Misha is on his best behavior around Jensen. He only runs his mouth off when Jensen isn't around. Usually when he's at a European con alone. I'd LOVE to know how that transpired. Jensen is also usually in a pretty bad mood leading up to a JenMish panel these days as well. He was surprisingly ok in Charlotte (except for that one damn question). However, let's look back on San Francisco. Remember when he ran from Misha trying to hug him?

That is the definition of an unhappy Jensen....Yet hellers, CANNOT SEE IT! How can they not see that? Anyways...I could go on and on here....

So let's move on to Jared...

Sweet silly Jared. How anyone could be mean to him I'll never know. Something has changed there too. There was a lot more joking from Misha where Jared is concerned once up a time. Now, everything Misha says about his sounds bitter and or malicious.

He loves to point out that Jared was discovered just walking down the street, or that he has no training or that he didn't go to college.

Then there was the airplane story from last month in DC. It was partially true, but heavily embellished to make Jared sound bad, and what happens every time that happens? Tons of hate descends onto Jared online. People telling him to kill himself. Just pure bullying and hate. Misha HAS to know that is what would happen.

Just this past weekend he mocked him: (Ignore the person who tweeted this. You don't want to go down that route)

What an asshole. I mean really. I know, I know hellers, "oh, it's just a joke" right? Let's not start the "you and your friends have no sense of humor" crap again.

As far as con experiences go? I've heard people say many times that they have had negative experiences meeting Misha. Unless you are known to him already he couldn't care less. Been there, done that, can confirm. Like I said in another post, glad I already didn't like him because I sure wouldn't now!

Edited to add another link of Jensen denying Destiel.

[fanfic-lover-girl]

Nasty shipping inspiration/material

Let me just be upfront here. While I have been watching some Supernatural videos on Youtube and reading some fanfics for fun, I will never get into the SPN fandom the way I did for Star Wars and Harry Potter.

I know about the destiel stuff but I have no interest in people's shipping preferences. I just stroll the anti-destiel tag for laughs (and because Dean will never be gay or bi to me sorry).

But I wanted to point out this destiel post because I found it very tone deaf.

Like how can you write a post about destiel when Jensen looks absolutely disgusted in this photo. The dude is revolted. But what makes it even worse is that Misha is honestly creepy here. He's holding a cut-out version of Jensen and cupping the crotch area...with his costar literally right next to him! What the hell! I would feel so uncomfortable if a boy or anyone else did that kind of thing to me.

Call me crazy but I did not know one actor being grossed out and the other being a borderline pervert was prime shipping material. I have literally never seen this kind of thing for any other shippers I have interacted with on Tumblr. It's weird man.

[supernaturalconvert]

Fandom bullying & Misha Collins

After the dust on the weekend has settled, I want to share my thoughts on it hopefully in a bit more collected manner. I am sure I will be accused of creating drama or being biased towards Jared & his fans and frankly I don’t care tbh coz in my book Misha Collin and his gang of bullies don’t deserve any grace. It’s been given for too long and it’s happened too many times to be a mistake. It feels malicious.

I will however say that there are a gang of his fans or supposedly J2M fans who are much more decent than the drama stirrers and they have actually played a positive part in drama not escalating on that side since we know how bad it can get. Of course there were death threats from the fringe (Mark, his sock & the other gang members) but I definitely saw so many of them being called out. Please correct me if I am wrong here.

It was also nice that we were able to piece together evidence of Misha’s lying through the years. Thanks @laf-outloud for it. I saw several people share it on twitter and I am sure some of the hellers if not for anything didn’t say anything after that was shared with them. I am sure that counts for something if we are able to tell as many people as possible that Misha lies. He has gotten away with these things for a long time.

I firmly believe that Misha is the biggest bully and shit stirrer in this fandom. It’s likely that he thought that the fandom was peaceful so may be he should take this opportunity to try and create drama yet again. I don’t put this past him at all. I very much think whether subconsciously or even consciously this might have been his thought. With Jared’s comment he has communicated to Collins that he notices these things that he fosters and if this still happens, then I am sure Jared is going to take action against him in his own way. I personally want Jared to stop doing any photo ops with him for starters. That’s going to hurt him enough to grasp that this bullying gang of his won’t work anymore.

[babyboywinchester]

why does Misha Collins look like he smells bad

[laf-outloud]

Good for JDM. Finally someone who doesn't let slander against Jared slide.

Don't get me wrong, I'm grateful JDM spoke up, it's about time. But also, it seems like it's a decade too late. it took someone being rude directly to Jared's face for JDM to speak up. I have yet to see anyone defend him from all the online bullies, many of which tag him specifically in their hate and death threats.

I'd also like someone to call out Misha (even in private) for baiting his fans to further their Jared hate. He's a major part of the problem as he just emboldens and encourages them (and he knows it).

Hopefully, JDM's support will show other actors that it's okay to speak up on someone else's behalf and will also send a clear message to certain people that encouraging Jared-hate is unacceptable.

I won't get my hopes up yet that the general tide of hate towards Jared is turning around, but this is definitely a start.

[lightofraye]

Misha lies.

There are receipts that he's lied, changing the stories to pander to the Jared hate.

This blog, this blog, and this blog all detail it.

I'll say it again:

MISHA. LIES.

[eisforeidolon]

I don’t think if I should, but I felt offended when Misha tried to pass Jared's favourite quote 'pain is inevitable ,suffering is optional'. Not that anyone has a copyright on that quote, but I believe he did it purposefully. Thanks to Jensen for standing up.

Yeah, a big part of the reason I transcribed that one is because it felt really suspect to me. Not just picking the quote Jared has been saying over and over when asked that kind of question, out of all the myriad possibilities? But then proceeding to shit on it and say it's wrong and make a joke of it and the question.

Like, I'm not saying anyone has to like that quote or find it inspiring. But after reframing the mutual set pranking to make himself a victim of Jared, after just recently rewriting two plane stories together to paint Jared as a maliciously careless asshole, on top of all the other weird bitter shit he's said?

It did feel pointed, and I don't give Misha the benefit of the doubt anymore.

[themoodyestj]

you say jensen is mentally a child when he is more mature than Jared. Jared complains when things don’t go his way. Jared complained about not being number one on the call sheet as if it meant something when it doesn’t. Jared turns a question about his kids into him being bullied, Jared is the one who literally acts like a child. Jared is the Is so thin skinned, Jared is the one who doesn’t know how to use social media. Jared is the one that gets upset when criticism comes his way. Jared is the one that constantly does pranks and not knowing when to stop and putting other people in danger when it comes to pranks remember what he did to Misha’s car?

I never said Jensen is mentally a child, so you either are here because someone said "delulu, fetch" or you simply can't read, which wouldn't surprise me. At least when you accuse me, accuse me of something I actually did. I don't like taking credit for others. I bet Misha felt very threatened with all those pennies in his car. He knew they were very scary pennies, he put them on Jared's trailer first. And then, to soothe himself from the awful trauma, he tried to force Jensen's face into his zipper.

[hellers-fucking-suck]

Oh for FUCK’S sake! 🤬

Someone really made Jensen sign this bullshit destiel “coffee art” that says “Our love story” ?

Forcing this ship onto the actors(especially Jensen who has voiced his opinion on it multiple times), shouldn’t be allowed. “Art” like this, shouldn’t be allowed. PERIOD.