#Amon rambles

[blade-that-weeps]

As much as I’m enjoying catching up after such a long absence, the downfall of working your way through older content like the Shadowbringers MSQ is that it’s old news and you have nobody to excitedly gabble about it with. I’m sitting over here having my tiny little mind blown by the revelations everyone learned years ago lmao. Great stuff though, powerful writing in this expansion

[wihellib]

16 Favourite Moments from the Anniversary Chats

In alphabetical order. Long post.

Amon

Amon's yearning for Beel and now MC is on full display here. It's sweet, if sad.

Amy

It's cute that Amy is so overstimulated by the thought of being able to go on a date with us that he has take a moment to calm his beating heart lest Sitri hears it and ruins it for him.

Bael

A demon genuinely acknowledging our human lifespan is uncommon. And Bael does it beautifully here.

Barbatos

Barbatos is full of charming compliments. Keep laying them on me, sun boy.

Beleth

A tiny bit of backstory. Sincere honesty from Beleth about how he wants us. Compliments us. And ends with some spice as a cherry on top. I think this chat has everything you could want.

Bimet

He was nice in a very Bimet-like way. Compliments us while taking full advantage of the situation.

Foras

Foras got the cake recipe from notoriously bad cook Bael and I just want to see the funny aftermath.

Gamigin

Cutie-pie, family-man Gamigin. Love him.

Glasyalabolas

Glasy up to his usual antics. Levi deserves to be teased about MC and Glasy does a good job of it.

Marbas

Some intense emotions from Marbas are shown here that were a pleasant surprise. I've always been a sucker for the trope of loving someone so much that they are your only weakness. Also, I wasn't expecting him to explicitly put us above Solomon, but I love it. Sitri take notes.

Naberius

Naberius stating he could only be happy if we settle down in Hell and trying to convince us to stay is very sweet.

Paimon

I really want to see his outfit. I like that he wants to match with us.

Phenix

I'm fascinated by eating food off of a person's body. I think Phenix would be a very good plate.

Ppyong

I just like that we got a chat from Ppyong for the first time. I love that little guy. Also, the mention of Minhyeok was a good touch.

Sitri

I don’t care for him still referring to us as Solomon. I just like him informing us about Satan putting having a National Holiday for our arrival in Hell to a vote and the other Kings agreeing immediately.

Stolas

It is very cute that he was so excited about celebrating our arrival anniversary that he couldn’t sleep for two weeks leading up to it.

As a bonus: Here’s the Full King Anniversary Chat

[sh0jun]

Okay so

It's weird to me that

In all of the cybrid games we have no character design for the side characters like cyril, carl, Kyubei, Kojuro

And not to mention all the villains and stuff

But then we have these Assholes.

Like- WHY do these two get a character design????? When the others don't? Is there some Lord behind it? Does anyone know why? Any theories? Please share them in the comments in curious

[wyllaztopia]

do u like cj does va :o !! i was watching an old vod and heard himm call out your user

i drew his killer png and church amon png but no i hate him

[eltheabberation]

TG characters and how they would play Stardew

Kaneki: Cozy farm, on the spectrum of constantly broke to min-maxer he’s somewhere in the middle. He started playing the game to relax and unwind and it sucked him in. Now he’s gotten to the point in the game where he can actually relax. He’s probably married to Sam or Elliott

Touka: She focuses more on animals than crops, and her farm is filled with rabbits. She has a couple purely aesthetic mods installed and has a very cute farm. She’s also gotten to at least floor 200 in the skull caverns. I feel like she’d marry Penny.

Hide: Pure chaos. 10 billion chests with nothing organized. He has no money ever. He only started playing cause Kaneki wanted to try a multiplayer run and was banned from the game after 2 days for giving all of their resources away to Haley (she hated all of them)

Hinami: Mix between Touka’s and Kaneki’s, just replace the rabbits with chickens. She has made it down even further than Touka in skull caverns. She’d take Krobus as a roomate.

Akira: Not a min-maxer but still pretty close. She has the entire stardew valley wiki memorized and has reached completion at least twice. She always makes sure her farm looks nice, and tries to get a ton of chests so she can organize her stuff early-game. She likes the fishing minigame.

Amon: He’s in a state of perpetually having next to no money and is stuck on floor 40 of the mines. He has 12 parsnips that he forgets to water. He doesn’t know that chests exist. Despite all this, he’s still having fun. He likes fishing enough, and he spends most of his time befriending the villagers. He gets really sad when they don’t like his gifts

Seidou: He’s not bad. He doesn’t have the best luck, so that tends to be a problem for him. He gets really frustrated with the game sometimes and quits for a bit before returning. He’s a decent way through the game and he’s completed the community centre. He doesn’t use the wiki at all and tries to avoid spoilers. He’s trying his hardest to marry Alex.

Juuzou: Didn’t know how to play, became a min-maxer within three days. Seidou hates him for this.

[jettreno]

there obv IS a prevalent and aggravating trend of stories having an antagonist who correctly identifies a flaw in society and aims to fix it but also commits atrocities along the way that the narrative claims to undermine the entire goal and then when the hero defeats them it is in the name of the status quo - but people sometimes point to legend of korra as an example of this which is so annoying bc like man how can you not understand a show written for children. every single season ends with korra defeating the villains and then saying "they had some points tho!" and then changing the status quo to address the flaw the villain identified

[designernishiki]

if you beat amon in dead souls kiryu gets an orbital death laser. just so you know

[jazeswhbvault]

i would love a dating sim route for the whb demons especially the nobles (though i love the kings too ofc) even if it was just like how they did loveunholyc where its mostly just chat messages

(spoiler for amons new chat) ive already been going insane today over amons new chat where he wants to go on a date with mc i am not hard to please 😔 pb pleaseee

AMON OMG THE BABES????? I love that he wants to go on a date ;w;

the more we get on the chats the better I feel we get to know the nobles way more.

i also wouldn't mind more of slice of life events with them or personal chats where we can go back and forth, choose options and end up with a good or neutral ending (or bad).

If they did it where it was just mostly chats for the routes I honestly wouldn't mind. I'd probably play through them all to see what it's like dating each devil plus the kings.

[trans-mephisto]

Oh yeah

Shout out to Kazue Kato for being one of the concerningly few manga artists who actually make characters of color look like normal people 💪💪💪

[crowsnhoes]

One of my fav things about TG is when Akira makes advances on Amon he straight up refuses her. Even after all that happened in his past, his catholic values/habits still show through, like when he does a shit ton of push ups to get Akira off his mind.

Amon when he stops Akira from kissing him

[amoneki-ramblings]

Also, your 'Amon stays in the CCG and works with Haise' AU is fantastic and should have been canon. Poor Amon misses Eyepatch terribly (he still has QUESTIONS damnit!) but doesn't want to get Haise (or Akira) in trouble, so he can't really say much, but he and Haise get suspicious of the CCG being corrupted. They investigate together, but they have to be discreet and they HATE IT, the CCG is supposed to represent justice! Inner!Kaneki drops hints and nags Haise in the background constantly.

YESSSSS GOD AMON AND HAISE NOT INTERACTING IN :RE WAS SUCH A MISSED OPPORTUNITY TO ME I WAS SO GENUINELY SURPRISED WHEN THEY NEVER DID

In the context of my AU I think Amon would feel so let down by the emergence of the Quinx project. He's spent all this time investigating the CCG's suspicious sides and almost uncovered what they were really aiming to do and then it just gets. Announced, just like that. That they're putting ghoul organs in people to use as weapons. It feels wrong. Everything clicks terribly into place. But he can't say anything. And Eyepatch is gone already (or so he Thinks) It all feels anti-climatic, somehow.

Then he meets this new investigator, who shakes his hand and greets him cheerily. He's being mentored by Akira. They are to treat him as a human unless he loses control, to which they'll treat him as a ghoul. It's Eyepatch. It's Haise Sasaki. Amon has to stomach the thought of both working with him and potentially having to "erase" him if he remembers who he is. He likes Haise, even if he's different from Eyepatch, but Haise might not be around forever, for one reason or another. He's never had to kill a co-worker or friend before. (I think, similar to Akira in canon :re Amon would be assigned a big role in leading squads when the CCG has to keep Haise under control. It only makes sense, he's done significant damage to him before, in half-kakuja form no less, and managed to escape this guy even without a weapon. And he's also like, one of the Only Guys who has ever killed a ghoul with his bare hands before.) Still though, the thought of killing Haise, whether it be with a quinque through the heart or the snap of a neck, is nauseating.

The CCG higher-ups are suspicious, obviously, because Amon is the only one who truly knows Everything about Eyepatch, and he might screw with Haise's memories. They're keeping an eye on him and make sure they don't get too close, unless Amon needs to confront Haise, since Haise, even when losing control, just can't seem to hurt him. Not really at least (if it ever does happen he feels So Guilty) ((Also sidenote but Haise probably visibly winces when he first meets Amon. His head hurts and he's not sure why. He feels melancholic and he doesn't know why. He feels a flood of relief. But he doesn't know why. He likes Amon a lot and wants to get to know him. The white-haired ghoul in his head seems particularly fixated on him, won't stop looking at him. Haise somehow knew Amon's name before he was even told what it was. He surmises that it's just because Amon is so well-known in general. (He knows, deep down, that it might be more than just that)))

Haise has small recollections of memories, but he can't tell anyone, obviously. Sometimes he has nightmares of flower fields and battles under the rain. When he and Amon get closer he tells him a little about them. "It's probably nothing" he laughs, unsure, but Amon knows what they really mean. He sees Eyepatch in Haise and it hurts terribly. He fears the chance that he'll never get to ask the questions he had, almost as much as he fears the chance that one day he suddenly will. The answers he's wanted for so long are so close that they are literally standing right next to him, yet they're so far.

As things move forward they definitely try to investigate and figure out the CCG's corrupt system together. But they have to be careful, on the outside co-workers (including Akira) make comments about how close they are and what a good team they make but within the inner-workings of the CCG they have their careful eyes on them. Maybe Akira's a little weary about it, tells Amon as such sometime and Amon says he knows (but there are things he can't tell even her.) Maybe one time Haise and Amon talk briefly, maybe after or during Haise losing control of himself and he says something and it sounds hauntingly like Eyepatch. Haise had looked at him differently during that moment. His voice sounded different. It was pained, but not in the physical sense. Maybe it wasn't Haise at all, actually.

Haise has a dream once about a man shouting asking him if he really is just a ghoul. Somehow he doesn't feel like it's for him. (But surely it means something to Kaneki Ken). Maybe, like in that comic I drew, Kaneki is incredibly relieved that Amon is alive, but also terribly jealous that all he can do is watch from the shadows LOL

Ough sorry I got SO carried away I've just been meaning to list out some of the details of my AU thoughts for AGES this has been living rent free in my mind for MONTHS it's one of my favorite thoughts Ever

It's insane, how many parallels are setup between Kaneki/Haise and Amon, yet Haise and Amon never meet once, even though Amon is foreshadowed constantly during :re. To be fair there is so much going on in :re already but still, man. Man,

[blade-that-weeps]

I woke up to 87 notes and my first instinct is oh god what did I do? Then I saw it’s the mount question and I am so, so delighted! I can’t wait to read everyone’s answers :D Thank you to everyone who took the time to reply, this is wonderful. Seeing people chatter about their beloved characters is one of my absolute favourite things, so this is a great way to start my day!

[wihellib]

Amon, I love you, but your fingers are almost at salad fingers levels.

[ebbyhell]

Today i offer you guys Amon second chats with what i choose to say, we see does not like the rainy days (i know an devil he whould not get along with), haved his hair used to make clothes that Stoles used once (wonder how they looked like?) And that Beelzebub tasted his hair aaaaand he is naturally this color (.....all over gonna be for real and wonder how it is down there)

[eltheabberation]

tokyo ghoul theory

Okay, so we all know that Shuu’s hair somehow changed colour sometime between tg and tg:re. and after YEARS of meticulous study, I have finally determined why

It was a retcon.

NO WAIT THERES MORE I SWEAR

So, Shuu’s hair went from purple to blue right? so let’s think about this.

Shuu (now) has blue hair, likes food, and speaks french. And you know who ELSE has blue hair, likes food, and speaks french?

That’s right, Saiko Yonebayashi.

So, as Ishida would never change a character’s design without reason, this change MUST be to showcase his connection to Saiko. and think about it, we never see Saiko’s father, and Saiko has a naturally higher affinity with her kagune than the other Quinxes. So, it would make sense that she was part ghoul, or in this case, part Tsukiyama.

So, anyway, that’s my theory. Saiko is a Tsukiyama :>

EXCEPT IM NOT DONE

You see, whenever we see Saiko speaking french, it’s to one person in particular.

Haise Sasaki. And look at what she’s calling him. “Maman” is actually the French word for “mother.” Now, why would Saiko be calling Haise her mother?

Well, as close readers will notice, Haise Sasaki is actually Ken Kaneki, aka the object of Shuu Tsukiyama’s affections. and remember what I said earlier about Saiko’s father?

So, I propose that Saiko is not just a Tsukiyama, but ACTUALLY the lovechild of Kaneki and Tsukiyama. But how could she exist? Kaneki and Tsukiyama only met 2 years prior, and Saiko is 20 years old. Well, I have a theory for that as well.

So, let’s go back to the start. Tsukiyama’s hair changed colour sometime between tg and tg:re. Well, I retract my earlier statement that this was retcon. Because I believe that it was ACTUALLY caused by an anomaly in the spacetime continuum. An anomaly named Saiko Yonebayashi. Saiko was transported to the main timeline from an alternate universe, shuffling things around in the process, INCLUDING Tsukiyama’s hair colour.

But how, you may ask? Well, this panel reveals it all

You see, while to most viewers, it would simply look like she is being unhelpful, she is actually attempting to convey who she is and her origins to her father. This "Saiko power" is likely what allowed her the ability to cross through dimensions, and its limitations are still unknown. Further research on this topic is required.

Now, why she came to the main timeline, I do not know. As Wegener spent his life trying to find the mechanisms for continental drift, I may never be able to truly discover the motivations of the elusive Saiko Yonebayashi. Which is why I'm going to clone myself so, unlike Wegener, when my theory is proven correct, I'll actually be around to see it

[aetherstorms]

So a post popped onto my timeline due to the Fandaniel tag, and it reminded me that a vast swath of the fandom apparently hates Hermes. They hate him for being depressed, for living in a society that he doesn't fit into, for being unable to conform, and for causing the Final Days (I assume). So I've decided to write it. I've decided to say why I love Hermes, and why I still love him as Amon and Fandaniel. This is going to be long, and contain personal comparisons to support why I feel such a strong attachment. Obviously this is very personal, so if you don't want brief insights into a stranger's mind, just keep on scrolling. It really is a lot to take in.

First of all, and I believe this is my first time saying it on this blog, but I'm autistic. As such, I live in a society I don't fit into. I have a lot of trouble with face to face interactions. I have a lot of difficulty maintaining eye contact and reading body cues and tone, and this has only gotten worse since the start of the pandemic due to avoiding people as much as possible to avoid getting sick. I don't see Hermes as autistic, but the fact he feels differently than those around him, the fact that he has such high empathy for the creations of Elpis, definitely causes him to be isolated. Whether they actually push him away, or he just has trouble connecting because they can't understand his point of view, it's pretty clear to me that he's quite lonely.

His short story told me that it was probably more of the second thing. They don't seem to reject him, but they can't understand his feelings, so he withdraws. When he decides to make Meteion, his fellows in Elpis apparently go to great lengths to help him create her. They want to help him, they want him to be happy. There's simply a gap they cannot bridge. Unlike in real society, those around him are compassionate toward him despite his differences.

But, through no fault of their own, this compassion also hurts him. He worries that he is an aberration. Because no one around him feels as he does, he thinks of himself as a freak, as someone different and it bothers him. He withdraws further. How often has this man removed his mask to have an earnest conversation with someone? I feel like when he's talking to the WoL it may be the first time he's done so, at least in his adult life. If he had even one friend, or person he considered a friend, might he have broken so easily? Or would that one tether have been enough to give him pause? It's hard to say, since in that moment it was so so very clear that he wasn't in his right mind. He had heard Meteion tell him horrible things, and he felt he needed to subject himself to all of it.

Yet, remember his question at the end of Ktisis Hyperboreia? Even though Meteion was telling him previously that all the Meteia found was death and murder and pain, he still asks her 'was there happiness in those distant stars? Was there a reason for living?'. He still hopes for good news. He still wants to hear that things can be okay. Meteion does not give him good news though. She tells him more of the same, more suffering, more pain and death. She snaps completely, overcome by the agonies of her sisters, and Hermes falls to despair. If this is the whole of the universe, then this must be what Etheirys also deserves and if they can prove themselves better than the whole rest of the universe, only then will they be able to survive, whether they deserve to live or not.

The fact that much of the fandom seems to hate him for this decision is troubling, to say the least. They slap the 'bad guy' tag on him without any further thought. They don't consider why he makes this decision, they don't see him as a man at the end of his rope, who sees no other choice he can make. As it turns out, he could have stopped the Meteia right then and there. His staff can apparently communicate with them, so he could probably have ordered them to return like Emet-Selch told him to. But his sympathies do not lie with mankind, not in that moment. He sees the Meteia as being the ones in the right, as of course they must be as creations that sense emotions. Even though he asked a flawed question, he isn't thinking straight. He was a man with depression, and having been pushed to the brink, he makes a decision that in the moment seems like the correct one.

From the perspective of those around him who obviously aren't privy to his thoughts, of course this seems an evil act. From that perspective, of course they would hate him. But we the player have seen him struggle. So why do so many hate him for this decision when they must surely know that the circumstances that brought it about were unusual? Did they forget that not long before they were chasing Meteion because she very much did not want to give her report, knowing it would hurt Hermes? Did they forget that just before she began her report, she was expressing that she was sorry to Hermes? Did they forget that she had been fighting against the will of her sisters to give that report? She knows this man, her creator, better than anybody. She knew what this news would do to him. If anyone is the villain here, it's us for forcing her to give her report. But only Meteion must know how this is going to go, or at least she has the best guess, and we can only do as the game dictates. The ending was a foregone conclusion, and it's one we already know. But why do so many hate him when they know more about his pain than presumably anyone aside from Meteion?

But that's just Hermes. Why do the players hate Fandaniel? Because he's flamboyant? Because he's annoying? Because he's weird? Because he's an utter nihilist? Maybe it's that last one. If you don't have depression, without knowing why he feels this way in the moment it's presented, it's easy enough to go 'what the hell?' and hate him for wanting to destroy everything. But why continue to hate him afterward? With the context of Amon and the things he saw? The player knowing he suffered for five millennia (he states ten when dying as Zodiark, which I still find curious) and found nothing good. He was a man who was forced to help kill entire worlds on top of the belief he already had in Allag that it should all end simply because his Emperor willed it so.

Now, to be perfectly honest, as something of a nihilist myself, I admit I might have a leg up on understanding him here. I see the atrocities around me and think how much better it would be if humanity just stopped existing. But I also make a point of seeking proof of the opposite, just as Hermes did. Maybe Amon's problem is that, like Hermes, he was isolated. Given current evidence, it seems like Noah was his only confidant in Allag and she stated that he was dour and serious until he succeeded in bringing back Xande, and he may not have tried to gain friendships among the Ascians. With that assumption, it's hard to want to find the good in mankind. He certainly wouldn't have been encouraged to find it.

But why not hate Emet-Selch, who created the Empire that broke Amon in the first place? Who had, by his own admission, created many Empires, all of them presumably as horrible as Allag and Garlemald. Why is he so popular? Because, also by his own admission, he kept trying to find a connection to us? Because he sees what he's doing as a step toward restoring what was lost, something the player can more easily relate to? Which even the Scions admit sounds logical from a certain point of view? Do they hate Fandaniel because he has no wish for anything better, but rather an end to everything?

I like Emet-Selch, but I have no idea why others like him, only why I do. Just as I can only guess why others hate Fandaniel, Amon, and Hermes. If I was given a big red button to kill all of humanity, would I press it? The answer may surprise you. I wouldn't. I wouldn't because I have people I care about, because I own pets specifically to keep me from killing myself when my depression would otherwise overwhelm me to the point even my friends wouldn't be enough. Hermes, Amon, Fandaniel....they don't seem to have had those things. By all indications, they were very alone and while Noah seemed to have a greater insight into Amon than any of Hermes' colleagues did, even she could only tell us so much.

Hermes had Meteion, but then she brought him multitudes of misery, a whole universe of it. His only tether had told him it essentially wasn't worth it and Amon states he dreamed the memories Kairos had supposedly erased until he was given the seat and memories of Fandaniel, giving him context. But he was plagued with these dreams supposedly his whole life. He dismissed them as dreams at first, but to see such things night after night probably didn't do his mental health any good and then he finds out these aren't dreams, but memories. He knew about the true cause of the Final Days, and then he's given no reason to believe in the good of man when he's basically made to foster the opposite. Is it really any wonder he was so manic at the end? His goal was finally coming to fruition. His suffering would finally be over.

Maybe that's why so many people like Emet-Selch. He's a bastard and a mass-murderer sure, but he's been doing all of this for a cause he believes in. Twisted as it may be, it's relatable; he just wants his loved ones back. This is a story told all throughout history, of people doing whatever it took just to get their loved one (usually their lover) back. The man is a walking Greek Tragedy. Fandaniel on the other hand wants everyone, including himself, to die. Not just die, but suffer on the way. Most people won't stop to think about his reasons, even when he outright hands them to you. It really does show how experiences shape you. If you haven't experienced things in life to make you feel the way he does, it can be hard to see why he'd think this way.

When Kairos does its work and we see Hermes outside Ktisis, he's obviously still injured and no one knows why other than Hermes' 'vague memories' of what he decided he would believe had happened to Meteion. He gave himself an ending that would ensure he never looked for her, never tried to use his staff to call out to the Meteia again. He was wounded physically, but emotionally he was shattered. He calls himself a murderer in Hythlodaeus' short story, after all. he is depicted as a man who throws himself obsessively into his work to the point of self-neglect, most likely to punish himself and also to distract himself.

When the Final Days came, how did he hold it together? How did he not fall to despair to be consumed by his own aether creating a monstrosity? Did the Meteia consciously spare him? No, I don't think so. Meteion offers him oblivion before she flees. She sees this as a mercy he has denied. She loves him, she would not want him to keep suffering. In this I can't guess how he managed not to be consumed. Maybe he suspected the true cause, or at least a part of it, and as he'd said, he would be working against the Meteia. He seems to very much be a man of his word, at least. Even to his own detriment. One cannot deny one's nature.

But yes, I both understand and don't why so much of the fandom seems to hate Hermes and his reincarnation, but if you've made it this far, you definitely deserve accolades. This was a lot, but I found I could no longer leave it unsaid. It was an unpacking of myself, the character(s) and an attempt to figure out why those who dislike them do so.

Of course, there is a difference between empathy and mimicry. Most of us have a healthy separation of fiction and reality. He's just like me fr, but that doesn't mean I'd want to do what he does if I had the power to do it. He's a fictional character with fictional pain that just happens to reflect a mindset I can understand. But it seems many can't understand or relate. They just see a man with an incomprehensible viewpoint and they don't even try to understand his thinking. I think I can understand why they don't understand, but at the same time it really just proves his own point, doesn't it? No one tries to understand people who are different than them, it seems. Not if they're the majority. At least the people in Hermes' life were apparently kind in their interactions with him, misguided as he saw their attempts.