#AI bros

[vexwerewolf]

Sometimes one does, in fact, have to do it to them.

[leidensygdom]

AI bros from hell

Hello! Do you have a bit of your time for a story on AI bros and clients from hell? I bring a really fun one!

I met this guy at a con I was tabling at over a year ago, before AI was a thing. He said he enjoyed my art, and inquired me about whether I did book illustrations. I said yes- He was specifically interested in my bigger pieces, the fully rendered and detailed ones. He agreed to send me later a DM to discuss specifics.

For two weeks, he kept DMing me on details about his book, what he wanted, etc. He wanted full illustrations for inside the book as well as a cover, all of them fully colored, painted and rendered. He also wanted illustrations in this style to post on social media to promote the book. I had warned him that something like that would be costly, but he insisted that he needed this to be the best of the best.

Now, I was getting bad vibes from the guy. I shit y'all not, his instagram handle was "The next tolkien". I wasn't however gonna refuse a job opportunity. Now, he finally asked for prices: He had reassured me he was willing to pay fairly for this. Since he's a starting author, I gave him my non-commercial quotes, which are much, much, much lower than the standard for book illustrations. I mean "if you search for how much this costs on google, the lower prices are x5 times more expensive than what I offered".

The guy, upon receiving that, just ghosted me. Immediately unfollowed, didn't reply me with a "sorry, I can't afford it" or "sorry, i was expecting to pay $10 for a full rendered full background several-characters-picture". Nothing.

The other day I decided to search what he was up to. He's now released... THREE books for this series. There's a single review in the first one. Not even written, just a stars one. Also, notably, he had a webpage put together promoting the book, and. Yeah.

All the art is AI crap.

Which makes sense. My guy was very on his high horse about how fantastic of a writer he is, but I guess art isn't really to be compensated fairly. When he saw the "art stealing machine you just pay a subscription for", I'm guessing he was very excited.

So, uh, here's some of the marvelous pictures he generated of the characters, which surely tell you about how great the book is. AI is theft, so I don't give a f*** about reposting it.

I have a lot of opinions about creators who write, draw or make music, who are more than happy to use AI for other stuff- Album covers made with AI, writers using AI crap for book illustrations, artists using AI-made music. It feels like you're sh*tting in any other artistic field and showing how little you respect anyone but yourself. Like, I'll be honest, I don't have interest reading a book from someone who considers that other forms of art aren't real or worth any money. It just tells me you're devoid of any interest for art or humanity.

As an ending note, his instagram description is "More closer to god than to human", which does add to the clownery.

[moth-p]

Im NOT going to say this once, but.

Fuck chatgpt

Fuck midjourney

Fuck character.ai

Fuck ai voice recreations

Fuck ai web searches

Fuck ai filters

Fuck ai "art"

Fuck ai "music"

Fuck ai "fanfiction"

Fuck ai "photography"

Fuck ai "animation"

Fuck ai fuck ai fuck ai fuck ai fuck ai fuck ai fuck ai fuck ai fuck ai fuck ai fuck ai fuck ai fuck ai fuck ai fuck ai fuck ai fuck ai fuck ai fuck ai fuck ai fuck ai fuck ai KILL IT WITH FIRE.

Fuck the thing that made me scared of being creative. Fuck the thing that made me cry because of the future that I will get if it keeps going. Kill it. Kill it. Kill it.

No. Character.ai is not good. Its just recycled data. This also goes for any ai "art". For any generative ai thing. Please. Stop using it. At all.

POP THE BUBBLE

[animentality]

this stupid ai bro on Twitter was talking about a new AI thing he made where you can use the image of any woman to deep fake onto any body model.

specifically, he said that this tech was going to "eliminate" the popularity of dancing TikTok girls.

and of course, people rightfully called him out on that and said, so, this technology will be IMMEDIATELY used to make revenge porn and underage porn of girls.

and he then made a sob story tweet thread about how his "tool" was innocent and he's being told to kill himself and ai isn't evil, it's just a tool.

but bro.

you literally said.

it'll "eliminate" the popularity of dancing TikTok girls.

and you're trying to pretend it's innocent?

we know what you fucking mean, you misogynist pervert.

I'd call him braindead but I already said he was an AI bro.

[whydidisavethistomyphone]

[sergoliathbeetle]

Not sure who needed these, but

Here are some extensions for google chrome and firefox to remove that pesky AI. For google chrome: here.

For Firefox: here. Please feel free to add any more in the replies. Fuck AI.

[bpdnchill]

AI is a tool designed to normalise false information and increase distrust in experts.

It was created by *checks notes* tech companies who profit from reduction in critical thinking skills.The same people who brought us;

Crypto, the worlds first truely independent currency! Belovd by scam artists and criminals the world over. Zero practical use outside those areas.

Metaverse, an independent free market virtual world where you can spend hundreds of thousands of dollars on a digital object that doesn't exist and has the graphical definition of a minecraft tree!

NFTS, a true revolution in art and art ownership where you can invest thousands in an ugly digital blob that has no real world value whatsoever, except you aren't actually paying for the picture you thought you just bought, you're paying for a data entry which may or may not direct to the picture you just thought you bought.

Dear gods, this is the worst timeline.

Here have some youtube links if you want more info.

Crypto scams

More crypto scams

Whatever the fuck is happening in the Metaverse

NFTS and why they probably aren't legal

A brief overview of the current tech fraud explosion.

[soapdispensersalesman]

[seeingteacupsindragons]

This entire article is just...indicative of that these people are ones who like the idea of books and being Literary and Cultured, but don't actually give a single damn about the books or reading or the knowledge, humanity, or art in them.

Just the Appearance.

"Sitting in the middle of knowledge." But not participating in the creation or absorption of it. Just existing near it and hoping people will associate with it them by proximity.

Like everything this horrible man has created.

Don't tell me your dining room is inside a library full of books. Tell me how your books are stained with rice and sauce from being unable to put the book down to eat, but you know you need food to keep reading.

"But I have so many books!"

But what do they mean to you, you weird hoarder? What do they make you think and feel? Why do you even have them? Appearances? It seems very performative and appearance-based. Are these books you decorate with even accessible to read and grab which book you'd like to?

Not once does he mention what his favorite book is, or how they've changed him, or what he does or feels with knowledge when he gains it. There's no indication he's ever gained any knowledge at all.

It's such a sharp reminder that none of this means anything to these people other than that they can look good without reaching for the things they want or having to actually be a part of the community they want people to think they're part of--because they don't seem to like that community at all.

Loving knowledge and language is not a fancy or glamorous pursuit. It's a lot of work for very little to no money and being a book-obsessed gremlin in a way that other people find off-putting because you have too much passion for a thing.

[laughable-lion-king-art]

This lazy mf is trying so hard rn to get me to bawwlock them, it's downright hilarious. He ain't got the brains god give a screwdriver to understand that the no to AI image is reposted throughout the movement. Like, how can you be this fucking stupid and be able to feed and take care of yourself. It's low key hilarious to me how desperate he's trying by failing at trolling me 🤣 I think what makes it even funnier are his asinine ruuruus on his profile

Talk about coddled snowflake, goddamn. That's funnier than DNI lists.

[slagduroc]

Cue game strong, dip game stronger – it's all about the good times with the Nerm Candy fraternity brothers! Strike a pose and let the good times roll! 🎱😋

[chaosartisan]

Hans Christian Anderson should be discussed more. Like why is no one bringing up the Nightingale during this AI trend when the story is tailor made to this situation? You stop appreciating artists, they will leave and you won't have the resources to run Chat GPT and will therefore run out of art. What's there not to get?

[revolutionarypossum]

Hey little girl, If you don't appreciate artificial intelligence or my posts, please avoid visiting my page. It would be nice to avoid offensive comments on other profiles and act with common sense. Thanks.

I'm not a little girl. I'm a professional artist that draws and animates for a living. And aside from the fact that the art-theif machine you use to produce you garbage is extremely polluting, a slap in the face of every artist who's work was scraped to make it work and just an insult to the very concept of art and human creativityin general, it also threatens the industry I work in.

Therefore you see, I despise you AI bros motherfuckers with every bit of my soul. So no, you untalented fuck, I will not get off your page, you're the one that should get off this website and learn to do something else aside from generating ugly shit while using other people's hard-earned skills. People like you deserve to get bullied off of the internet. Use common sense yourself and go get fucked.

[poppy-in-the-woods]

Since AI bros are putting on their profiles "prompt engineer" because they spend hours writing inputs for a machine to spit out the perfect big tiddy goth girlfriend or whatever, if you ever sent an idea/request to a writer, congrats, you are also a prompt engineer.

[lavellyne]

can ai bros like. talk with artist without calling them derogatory names and insulting them for five seconds

[coveredinmetaldust]

You ever notice how there seems to be a rather large overlap between the crowd that evangelizes "AI", and the crowd of corporate bootlickers who will wag their finger at you and go "a company has to protect its IP!" whenever a multi-billion dollar corporation responds to a perceived copyright infringement with a grossly disproportionate level of duress?

There is just a certain kind of cognitive dissonance, naked hypocrisy, and performative hand-wringing that seems to be part and parcel for the vocal group of core believers of this technology on places like Reddit and Twitter.

These people will shout "It's the law! Don't do the crime if you can't do the time!" but then immediately turn around and berate any artist who makes the mistake of suggesting that these laws should apply to everyone.

This particular phylum of AI cheerleader loves to tell artists to "get a real job", while at the same time shaming them for having the audacity to charge money for their labor. Because in their mind, everything artists create and post on the internet should be free and is "fair game", but anything corporations post is protected within our current legal framework.

They see no problem with the fact that corporations are using petabytes of artwork for profit with impunity, yet the moment you use even 1 microsecond of a piece of media these same corporations own in a video that you post online, their copyright bots will hunt it down and expunge it--or a legal team will send you a DMCA takedown and potentially nuke your account.

They will be more than happy to lecture you about how capitalism is the best system ever, and explain in great detail all of its benefits and how it works--but the moment an artist finds monetary success by engaging with that system, suddenly that's not ok. No, when artists engage in capitalism they aren't "contributing" anything to society based on an arbitrary framework that only applies to artists.

Yet, many of these same people will worship the ground that businessmen like Jack Welsh and billionaires like Elon Musk walk on, because they figured out how to make an ungodly amount of money by exploiting this system--even though they did this in ways that make everyone's lives objectively worse. No, for some reason it's immoral to charge money for your art, but it's both morally sound and smart to leverage our legal system to shake people down, parasitically suck the life out of small and large businesses alike, treat wall street like a casino, tank the economy, and then cry to your government sugardaddy to bail you out when your gambling debts come due. (All so you can do it again.)

Ok, so maybe artists just need to be more proactive and protect their work so this doesn't happen. Well, apparently that's not ok either! Because when artists tried fighting fire with fire by employing Nightshade, the conversation suddenly shifted to how artists are immoral for "creating malware."

I'm sure most of you probably know about Nightshade at this point--but for those unaware, you can kinda think of it as a filter that artists can apply to images before they post them online. To vastly oversimplify what this accomplishes: when an image that has the Nightshade "filter" is scraped by someone and fed into their generative AI program, this image will ruin the dataset that the program spits out.

What's important to know is that this does not affect the host computer in any way, shape, or form beyond a non-essential, third-party program, that the user willingly installed on their system and fed data they gathered from the internet into, outputting a file that the user finds sub-optimal compared to what is normally generated. If the nightshaded image is omitted from the training data, there is no ill effect on the model or host computer--regardless of whether or not the nightshade affected image exists on the internet or somewhere in their hard drive.

How effective this process actually is in the real world has been debated, with many in the AI scene boasting that it's completely ineffectual--but that doesn't matter as far as the narrative is concerned. Many have chosen to interpret this act as artists "creating malware", because the Nightshade'd image that the AI practitioner willingly scraped and fed into a program negatively affected a function on their computer--which is about the same logic as robbing a bank, then getting mad that the bank ruined your clothing because a dye-pack hidden within the bundle of cash you stole exploded and got blue dye everywhere. (Or maybe a more accurate analogy would be posting an AMV you spent a long time editing together to YouTube only to have it immediately deleted by a copyright bot because it's sadly not 2006 anymore. idk.)

Regardless, I find this hilarious coming from a crowd that usually has such a massive hard-on for "personal responsibility." I mean, these are the kinds of people who would see a topic on Reddit where someone is complaining that got injured because a burrito they bought was filled with caltrops, and their immediate reaction would be to reply with something like "this is your own fault, everyone knows you're supposed to eat around the jagged shards of metal."

But no. Instead the lengths some of these people have gone to twist themselves into knots to demonize nightshade could only be viewed as satire in a sane world. But we live in the hell world, so I cannot tell you how many of these losers I've seen unironically clutch at pearls while wailing "WON'T SOMEONE THINK OF THE CHILDREN!?" because there is a chance their AI model could get corrupted after they scraped 1tb of porn from Deviantart without checking what they actually fed into their system.

Or worse: they will turn the onus back on the artist and say they are the one causing environmental damage--because the person stealing their art now has to remake their model and expend electricity.

Well, more electricity than they are already consuming on AI models. Which, by their own admission, is enough to make their energy bills skyrocket.

This is is like Dupont saying "All of you people protesting in front of our factory ruined productivity for today. You actually caused more environmental damage than us, because we had our machines running all day but no one was able to work. The world is more polluted now because you don't want us to further damage the environment. We may dump literal tons of chemicals into the water supply on an hourly basis, but the markers you used to make those signs you're holding were created using technology that pollutes as well--so I guess that makes you all huge hypocrites hmmmmm?."

But wait, it gets worse! If you read the two screenshot directly above carefully, you may have noticed that some of these people go so far as to believe that they are entitled to everything you create, and anything short of your full consent is tantamount to stealing THEIR property.

Because that's really what this is all about: when you strip away all their moralizing and semantics, you're left with people who view artists as nothing more than an annoying barrier between what they think should rightfully belong to them.

I'm just going to say the quiet part out loud:

These people absolutely fucking hate that there are people out there who are good at art. They are mad that there are people who put the time and effort into improving a skill-set, and got good at it as a result. That's not me putting words in their mouths, they have explicitly said as much time and time again--to the point where it has become a core part of their belief system and mythology.

(This wasn't directed at me, but I know their theory is bullshit because I do know how to weld, and I can't draw for shit. Also, knowing how to weld has never stopped me from being insufferable on the internet.)

They try to make themselves the victims by setting up this narrative that artists have a "monopoly on creativity." They make a big deal about how unfair it is that someone can be technically competent at formal compositions through years of hard work. (Which, is funny, because some of these same people were railing against Le SJWs for being so-called "Professional Victims" in the mid to late 2010s.)

It's not hard to understand why they need to dress this up like it is some kind of righteous crusade that flattens an oppressive hierarchy, because their objective reality is a lot more pathetic.

They know this, so they will gleefully tell artists they can't wait for AI-art to "replace" them in however many years. They will smugly tell artists, right to their face, that nothing they have ever created has any value--all while feeding that artist's work into an engine so they can copy their style.

They will spew all kinds of inflammatory, hateful bile like this at creatives, spit in their face by scraping their work after explicitly being asked not to, and then have the fucking nerve to act like they have the moral high-ground when there is any pushback from artists.

Because to them, creatives are just malcontents who don't know their place.

Many of these people like to present themselves as an austere nonpartisan with a rigid code of ethics; someone who will solve problems through objective logic and rational debate. But when you look past their attempts at self-mythologizing it becomes very clear that these people don't want to have a "civil debate"--they want to maintain a farcical moral high-ground while they stab you in the throat and then twist the knife. (Then complain about how you got blood all over their nice shirt.)

Now, I'm fluent in both "pretentious art-speak" as well as "toxic terminally online forum user", so let me speak to these AI art bros directly in a language they will understand:

This is copium so potent that it's considered a controlled substance in most states. How about you fucking casuals try getting gud instead of getting buttmad and running to social media so you can bawww about needing an easy-mode?

FFS this isn't complicated, but you drooling idiots will just sit there and stare at your monitors with the wide-eyed bewilderment of a dog that just saw a magic trick any time someone suggests you pick up a pencil.

Don't worry though, I hear Kotaku is hiring. You should ask ChatGPT to write you a resume and email it to them, because you suck at art just about as much as their writers suck at video games.

Now go back to your subreddit hugbox and circlejerk about how logical and civil you are compared to those mean artists who hurt your feelings. I'm sure all those heckin updooterinos and wholesome affirmations will make you feel like you didn't just waste thousands of dollars on a new computer for the express purpose of generating anime waifus who look like they tried to high-five a disc sander.

tl;dr: