#17th century -early 18th century

[ltwilliammowett]

The stained glass at the Elizabethan House Museum, 4 South Quay, Great Yarmouth, 17th - early 18th century - Photo by David King

[vinceaddams]

Early 18th (and late 17th) century fashions are so under-utilized in vampire media and I think it's a damn shame.

I don't actually think I've ever seen a single image of a vampire character in an early 18th century suit. Hardly any movies set in that era either, and hardly any historical costumers who do it. (Even my beloved gay pirate show set in 1717 takes nearly all of its 18th century looks from the second half of the century. Not enough appreciation for baroque fashion!!)

Yes I love late 18th century fashion as much as anyone, and 19th century formal suits are all very well and good, but if you want something that says old, dead, wealthy, and slightly dishevelled, then the 1690's-1730's are where it's at.

(Retrato del Virrey Alencastre Noroña y Silva, Duque de Linares, ca. 1711-1723.)

There was so much dark velvet, and so many little metallic buttons & buttonholes. Blood red linings were VERY fashionable in this era, no matter what the colour of the rest of the suit was.

(Johann Christoph Freiherr von Bartenstein by Martin van Meytens the Younger, 1730's.)

The slits on the front of the shirts are super low, they button only at the collar, and it's fashionable to leave most of the waistcoat unbuttoned so the shirt sticks out, as seen in the above portraits.

(Portrait of Anne Louis Goislard de Montsabert, Comte de Richbourg-le-Toureil, 1734.)

Waistcoats are very long, coats are very full, and the cuffs are huge. But the sleeves are on the shorter side to show off more of that shirt, and the ruffles if it has them! Creepy undead hands with long nails would sit so nicely under those ruffles.

(1720's-30's, LACMA)

Embroidery designs are huge and chunky and often full of metallic threads, and the brocade designs even bigger.

(1730's, V&A, metal and silk embroidery on silk satin.)

Sometimes they did this fun thing where the coat would have contrasting cuffs made from the same fabric as the waistcoat.

(Niklaus Sigmund Steiger by Johann Rudolf Huber, 1724.)

Tell me this look isn't positively made for vampires!

(Portrait of Jean-Baptiste de Roll-Montpellier, 1713.)

(Yeah I am cherry-picking mostly red and black examples for this post, and there are plenty of non-vampire-y looking images from this time, but you get the idea!)

And the wrappers (at-home robes) were also cut very large, and, if you could afford it, made with incredible brocades.

(Portrait of a nobleman by Giovanni Maria delle Piane, no date given but I'd guess maybe 1680's or 90's.)

(Circle of Giovanni Maria delle Piane, no date given but I'd guess very late 17th or very early 18th century.)

Now that looks like a child who's been stuck at the same age for a hundred years if I ever saw one!

I don't know as much about the women's fashion from this era, but they had many equally large and elabourate things.

(1730's, Museo del Traje.)

(Don't believe The Met's shitty dating, this is a robe volante from probably the 1720's.)

(Mantua, c. 1708, The Met. No idea why they had to be that specific when they get other things wrong by entire decades but ok.)

(Portrait of Duchess Colavit Piccolomini, 1690's.)

(Maria van Buttinga-van Berghuys by Hermannus Collenius, 1717.)

Sometimes they also had these cute little devil horn hair curls that came down on either side of the forehead.

(Viago in drag Portrait of a lady, Italian School, c. 1690.)

Enough suave Victorian vampires, I want to see Baroque ones! With huge wigs and brocade coat cuffs so big they go past the elbow!

[upennmanuscripts]

Ms. Codex 1233 is a pretty amazing manuscript. Originally written in the early-to-mid 15th century, it was used continuously through the end of the 18th century. Written in Cologne and probably used by the canons in the Cologne Cathedral, this notated breviary (a liturgical book containing the canonical hours - daily prayers - with musical notation) includes notes and additions made up to 1794. It also includes splatters of candle wax and one page that got a little too close to a candle!

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[andelkacroatia]

[pierrotsoup]

Many things going on in one page fanarting ...desmoulins of course .. Louis xiv-ing .. and side character from cocteau le livre blanc(the very upset sailor) ☠️lolz . And owling as always hashtag I love owls . France themed page on accident? Lowk a Francophile .. sue me!

[gwydpolls]

Time Travel Question 48: Early Modernish and Earlier 3

These Questions are the result of suggestions a the previous iteration.This category may include suggestions made too late to fall into the correct earlier time grouping. In some cases a culture lasted a really long time and I grouped them by whether it was likely the later or earlier grouping made the most sense with the information I had. (Invention ofs tend to fall in an earlier grouping if it's still open. Ones that imply height of or just before something tend to get grouped later, but not always. Sometimes I'll split two different things from the same culture into different polls because they involve separate research goals or the like).

Please add new suggestions below if you have them for future consideration. All cultures and time periods welcome.

[solcattus]

Portrait of a Lady

By Nicolas de Largillière

[cultivating-wildflowers]

Recently learned about the practice of "careening" ships, a way of cleaning marine growth and performing repairs on the keel without the aid of a dry dock. The usual method required a beach, but the beach had to fit several specifications to be suitable. Alternately, a second ship could be employed for the damaged ship to lean against.

While the subject is fascinating, the image that keeps coming to mind is when a girl leans on a friend's shoulder for balance while she puts on her shoes.

[burningvelvet]

long book title enjoyers, have i got the man for you... (found this while reading the wiki page of john dunton, writer & bookseller who pioneered periodicals in the 17th-18th centuries).

[blueiscoool]

An important white-glazed moon jar Joseon dynasty, late 17th / early 18th century Height 45.2 cm; Diameter 45.4 cm.

[th3d0nutl0rd]

Renegade Nell POTC crossover when

[ltwilliammowett]

The stained glass at the Elizabethan House Museum, 4 South Quay, Great Yarmouth, 17th - early 18th century (details) - Photo by Mike Dixon

[roaming-fox]

tiny alleys

[bijoumikhawal]

I get a specific type of Egyptian fashion recommendations on pinterest which are untrustworthy but funny in a slightly depressing way

For the unfamilar "Egyptian history defender" is basically a dogwhistle as far as I'm concerned, whoever made this shit is 95% likely to be racist and freakishly preoccupied with hating Black Africans

Youre an Egypt defender and you chose photos of two women in what I'd identify as Moroccan dress? (I could just be unfamiliar but these designs look VERY Moroccan and I don't know of Egyptian designers making soutached caftans like these)

Youre a history defender and you don't know the second woman here isn't wearing a dress with a caftan on top? She's wearing a tunic with wide clavi (patterned stripes)- it's one garment and has no resemblance to the modern image used as comparison

[my18thcenturysource]

Hi! I’ve been studying women’s portraits from the 1720s and have stumbled across a few with these underbust pieces. Nicolas de Largillière seems to have depicted them more than once, but when I saw an example from Louis de Silvestre I got curious! Unfortunately, I can’t find anything about them. Do you know anything about them? Thanks!

Hi!

This is pretty much "fancy dress", or we could think about them as "costumes". The choice of the outfits for these kind of portraits have more to do with symbolism and the figures that might the sitters represent, than with fashion.

So, these underbust/stays might very much not even have existed in the real world, and be drawn with references and the artist's imagination, or being something taken from the stage.

Instead of looking for the actual garment, you can look for what that particular design detail (the pointed center front) represents for the characters: is it a nod to armour? a nod to a shepherdess? a theatrical costume detail? I think there is more chance to find your answer this way.

Good luck and let us know when you find out!!

[somethingwithmoles]

Carlo Maratta (or Maratti), Portrait of Francesca Gommi Maratta, ca. 1690 or 1701, oil on canvas, 98.5 x 74.5 cm, Cleveland Museum of Art

"In 1700 Carlo Maratti’s wife died, permitting him to marry his longtime mistress, Francesca Gommi, who began modeling for the artist in the 1670s and was the mother of his only child, Faustina. This painting was presumably painted shortly after the marriage as an homage from the artist to his new wife. To introduce an allegorical element into the composition, Maratti included a painting within a painting—in this case a drawing depicting Venus forging the love-darts of her adolescent son Cupid, suggesting that love will conquer all." - Cleveland Museum of Art

Source: Wikimedia Commons