#( 💭 ) — discourse

[weirdo09]

if you treat pavitr like a lil babe uwu femboy who can’t protect himself, you’re racist. how? y’all do the same thing with other asian characters, just because pavitr isn’t from west asia it doesn’t mean that he isn’t asian. y’all will overlook this and be like “oh it’s ok, they just think like that!” not if they have a history of doing that. i’m not asian but i am a POC n i hate when people treat POC characters like they’re lesser just because of their race. i know, i know, people will be racist no matter what but all i’m asking is to HOLD THESE RACIST PEOPLE ACCOUNTABLE!!!!! also goes with the homophobic people in the atsv fandom, i know y’all are there. y’all be the same people who shame punkflower/goldenpunk/goldenpunkflower shippers for nothing. the age discourse has been cleared up so now you’re just homophobic and a racist, no more excuses.

[faunabel]

i really hate the trend in the modern fandom of people bashing veneziano to make romano look better. i've seen it on here, reddit, tiktok... can you not love one character without going on about how much you hate another? can you not hype up one character without bringing another character down? i beg you. let them exist as individuals. stop trying to make out one as superior to the other.

[confessions-sm]

HEY MOD MOD

For your Sweetprincess shipper self, imagine if at the end of the Kevin short, Tom is seen like sleeping next to Kevin on the bed. Either because they're having a sleepover again and decided to share the bed, or because this is when they're finally together as a couple./silly

What do you mean "imagine"? She has always been there!!/j /silly

[sugadolly]

i think it's funny how a lot of people hated the reed richards casting because they thought pedro looked "old" as they based it off on pictures of a 56 year old character in an apocalypse dealing with heavy grief like of course he's going to look like that. actors are capable of changing how they look. THEY'RE ACTORS!

and saying he just doesn't give off the vibes of a nerdy scientist - says the person who hasn't watched his other projects besides the mandalorian and the last of us

[jazeswhbhaven]

Got some more thoughts on the matter! I feel the dislike with Satan's card isn't really just the blatant SA that everyone is saying. To dig deeper it seems like it's because it's all entirely OOC. Satan got tricked into getting captured because he saw an angel that looked like MC? MC being Gabriel and all but not really telling Satan that its them and instead just goes straight for it. Feel free to correct me if I said anything wrong.

Like if anything Satan was MC's first devil who saved their friend and brought them to Hell. Was there any level of sentimentality? I don't have the card so I can't say but I'm basing this on the posts I've been reading. Like if I was in MC's shoes I would be worried and wanting to save Satan, the devil who saved my friend and MY life. but to do that I'd have to be a convincing Gabriel first but let him in on that plan before we break him out and whatnot.

It just feels like Satan was written dumb, and MC was written like a psycho for no reason than to be "lololol horny horny porn insert yay!!"

The entire story felt like it written terribly. It's a porn game yes, but it could have still be porn that's written well. But once again we can't really rely on PB to write anything good or translate.

-💭

Yes, this right here, 💭 anon.

In my react post it may have came off to some that the SA is what bothered me, when in fact it was exactly what you said here. I consume dubious content, I won't pretend I don't. However, this story for Satan was ooc and didn't feel like it was doing his character justice as his other cards. I also just didn't care for MC's lack of committing to Gabriel's personality nor telling him that it was them at any point of the story.

While I'm all for porn being there for the sake of it, this just wasn't written good enough for me to give it that pass. At least not for me it wasn't. With Zagan's new L-card coming up soon I really do hope they wow us and make it to where the card is worth the money spent for the NP Also this statement is more so for anyone reading my reply to you: I don't have a problem with folks liking the card or any other story just as much as I wouldn't mind if someone disliked something I liked. This is a fandom with a good variety of players, we all don't have to agree.

[pompompuriina]

sending me death threats over a fictional ship is INSANE. the jujutsu kaisen fandom is becoming just like the mha fandom if not more worse. telling me to sl1t over shipping satosugu is crazy. you're entitled to your own opinion but not when it involves harming others. people like this are the reason that the jjk fandom is becoming so hated now.

anyways, while you go screeching in my ear about how satoru and suguru aren't gay, i'm chilling in my bed watching my bae gordon ramsey.

sips tea, go to bed now my dear child, school's tomorrow.

[muttsona]

i feel like people dont understand why we say that you need to enjoy things other than childrens cartoons. no, it isnt because we want to stop you from liking what you like. it isnt because we hate autistic people and think they should "grow up." (just a couple arguments i have heard) you need to like things beyond childrens media because when your kids show goes into racism or genocide or homophobic or whatever else it may talk about, its talking about it at a baseline level. it can only talk about it at an entry level because its a show for kids, they havent yet gotten to a place where they can understand more complex subjects, you have. its totally fine that you like kids shows, but when thats the thing youre getting your entire moral compass from? please, like, read a book. idk, i get tired of people making political arguments and using steven universe as an academic point of reference.

[rowanisawriter]

im definitely protected in my little bubble where ive refined my dash to such a degree that i go out into the wild (ao3) and find someone saying astarion smut is morally wrong and it gives me whiplash

[graevs666]

cisgender straight intersex people aren't lgbt nad neither are cisgender straight aces bceause they both oppress all lesbian, gay, bi, and transgender people the same way cisgender straight women who are gender nonconforming arent' queer either.

i appreciate ur perspective! i defo would be interested in hearing ace / intersex ppls perspective too

ive seen the argument tht cis/het intersex ppl belong in the queer community, mostly bc intersex has overlapped w trans rights. trans ppl also have had the same discourse said abt us bc ppl don’t believe gender and sexuality should be grouped together, bc we have diff experiences and bc they just view us as being straight

i do believe diff identities coming together to fight for gender and sexual liberation is important tho rather than division hence why i prefer to include everyone … but I also know there’s intersex ppl who don’t id w the queer community and ace ppl who don’t either, but tht can be applied to other identities too who don’t associate w the queer community based on their personal reasons

the discourse reminds me of poly tbh, in the way tht both ace and poly stray from sexual norms (obv one is a relationship dynamic and the other is lack of attraction) but there are cis/het poly ppl and queer poly ppl just like there’s cishet ace ppl and queer ace ppl, so maybe it’s like tht? not labelled as inherently queer, but can be depending on the person and their identity ?? But idk

At the same time tho, if an ace person id as queer despite also being cis/het i don’t think it’s my place to tell someone else what their identity is or where they belong. ppl can also be in the closet too but using another label, so i feel like gatekeeping can be harmful tht way bc we dunno ppls personal experiences thoughts and feelings

[swag-ness]

Just found out coneheads Hate??? heather?? like the girl heather??

day. ruined.

[everythingseasoning]

The tv show Lost is so good… on Season 2 Episode 3 rn… Every character is fleshed out and so unique (truly a commendable thing the writers/creators have done!), we feel for all of them, even those we hated at first…

Brief character thoughts (spoilers): I’m looking at Sawyer, who I hated so much for his callous nature… But it turns out he’s just :( so pitiful and went through so much— a testament to how much we alienate ourself and commit self sabotage unto ourself when we hate ourself, and how easy it is for a parentless kid to grow into a broken human). I’m looking at Jin as well, who I also hated, and at first thought was a one dimensional, oppressive husband. Turns out, he was a dedicated husband but lost himself and his marriage under the dictatorship of his wife’s father, and Jin is also a product of the culture he grew up in, so he can be overly controlling. He got so lucky with his wife, a beautiful, intelligent, loving person who still wants the best for Jin despite their invisible estrangement— seriously— Sun is such an amazing woman! It made me cry, stirred awake something in me, when I saw them make up before Jin left on the raft in an attempt to save his wife from their “fate” on the island… I’m looking at Shannon, who I still kind of hate tbh because she’s so beyond selfish and doesn’t show many redeeming qualities, but she has valid reasons for being that way… She grew up pretty much hated on by her own family, save for her step brother who was in love with her, and when kids don’t have stability from a parental figure, some of them can become immensely selfish. I’ve seen that happen to somebody I know irl (and am constantly tortured by tbh). I’m looking at Michael, who I thought was a father incapable of listening to his young son, but it turns out he’s a first time father who only now gets to reclaim custody, because his kid was ripped away from him for over 12 years, despite his best efforts to keep his kid in his life. Michael is trying his best, and he is learning the ropes on how to parent a kid with a growing autonomy.

Right now, in S2 E3, we are grappling with Faith vs Science/Logic, and I don’t know what’s going to happen… will Jack push the button??? Will he take a leap of faith? Everyone is telling him to. It feels kind of like being a rat lost in a maze set up by people who refused to explain why tf you have to push the button… It’s a frustrating spot to be, and wrong for the original Dharma folks to not explain, in my not-so-humble opinion. As you can tell, I am absolutely not a person of faith in some higher power. I think Jack is being stubborn as fuck and it’s a bit annoying… but I mean… who likes being a rat in a maze set up by some people who have not your best interest in mind? Jack is stubbornly holding onto what makes sense to him, his identity and beliefs, right now. He has yet to accept that this island they’re stuck on, is full of strange things beyond our scope of understanding.

So open to discussion on Lost!

[weirdo09]

hobie brown

i’d just like to say, i hope y’all never meet a black boy nor man because y’all’s behavior over one black teenager is honestly disturbing.

like the racist headcanons, the not taking accountability for your disturbing fics about him because “HIS AGE ISNT MENTIONED!!” like don’t act dumb, you know them people said that he’s a slight older boy than miles which would be like 1-2 years, making him 16-17. it’s also just the “i want his dick inside of me” “i want to have his kids” and the sex hcs where it’s like “he’ll fuck you hard and not give you aftercare, just leaves you to take care of yourself.”

i’m not really bothered by the smut fics and hcs cause he is attractive and i will read them every once in awhile but y’all be taking it to the extremes, calling him toxic, making him out like some abusive boyfriend, he’s only sweet when he wants you to have sex with him, he only wants you for sex, he’s a full person but only cool because he’s in a band and has sex with you, he lets his band mates fuck you without your consent, he rapes you for whatever reason (y’all’s writings not mine), he doesn’t care about stopping to see if you’re okay or if you need a break.

basically what i’m seeing is that he’s only good for sex and some of the good fics about him only portray certain parts of him. like i’m all for writing about your favorite characters n what not but if you’re basically gonna treat his character like you’re personal boytoy and not see him as anything else, it’s really harmful. especially with y’all not tagging your fics correctly and the smut fics i previously mention get seen by a minor who would want to read smut of him but not that bullcrap.

y’all literally write him being abusive to his partner, not just physically but call it “teasing”. i’m sorry but if my partner said something about breaking up with me or that i’m not good enough, would i think that that’s just “teasing”? like honestly, if you treat all your ‘blorbos’ like this then i feel sorry for you because hobie’s an amazing character that isn’t just there for you to dream about fucking and getting pregnant by him.

he’s there to show you how corruption and fascism impacting your way of life can lead to you wanting to rebel and become an anarchist to that society. he’s there to teach you that you can make your rules, that you’re more than what one person tells you, you tell yourself what you wanna be. he’s a symbol for black people who don’t wanna follow the rules of a white supremacist, fascist society, for the people who’ve ever just been like “fuck the government, i’m my own person.”

i really feel like y’all take him for granted and he is a character for a children’s type of media so the “well minors shouldn’t be looking for his smut!!” doesn’t work here. honestly, do y’all ever care about characters that aren’t perceived as “fuckable” or “attractive” by your standards? it just really pisses me off because y’all act like that’s all he’s there for, your yearning for BBC has really dimmed your perception of this character. HES A IMPORTANT CHARACTER FOR YALL TO ROLE MODEL CAUSE ITS OBVIOUS YALL DONT GIVE A FUCK ABOUT THE MOVIE’S CHILD AUDIENCE BUT YOU GIVE A FUCK ABOUT HIM SO

if you care about hobie, please remember that there’s more to him than you wanting him to fuck you and he would hate the things that you’ve done to him because you have bigger issues in the world than “he would fuck you with his big cock.” LIKE WAKE THE FUCK UP WE COULD BE MAKING ANALYSIS OF HIS CHARACTER BUT INSTEAD YOU THINK THAT HES JUST THERE TO BE EYE CANDY LIKE OMGGGG

just please for the sack of everyone, learn more about his character and stop tryna be antiblack and sex crazed over him. if you love hobie, just stop being the way that you are because it’s honestly disgusting to have to see grown adults wanting a canon minor to fuck them. you ain’t slick, the fact that i even have to write this is disgusting. do better, fandom is more than saying that you would fuck a character, care more about the teenagers on this site that are in the fandom with you as well. stop being selfish and start caring about the other people in the fandom.

[faunabel]

i find it weird that this is the website where people think u deserve death sentence for listening to music without headphones in public but public sex is perfectly ok. like hello????

[nudystar]

okay this is my final statement, cause deadass I’m over it now

for the server thing, I did feel sorry and apologized to WHO I needed to apologize to. if I ain’t apologize to you, then idk what to tell you. apologies to the folks that had roles that we lied about.

to the folks that I ain’t never had beef with me, why are yall tryna make somethin out of nothin ? like deadass, some of yall I haven’t talk to in a minute and some of yall I never even interacted with. yall sayin yall fighting for your friends but I’m the villain when I do it ? please get out my face with that. you starting stupid ass beef when I don’t even talk to half of yall wtf. yet I’m childish ? alright.

naj, you specifically, what problem do I have with you? I want you so specific and let me know what we have going on. I never had an issue to begin with, we was never beefing so why tf are you talking so much shit about me? you trying to act all big and bad when I never had a problem with you. now you wanna talk as “civilized adults”, after dragging my name through the mud FOR THREE DAYS ? yeah no, kiss my black ass and suck my damn clit !

do I feel bad that your friend got a death threat ? yes ! but it sure as hell wasn’t me or my mutuals 🤷🏽‍♀️. unlike yall, we have some couth and don’t be bothering nobody.

y’all constantly say I’m sending high schoolers to fight my battles and paint me as this pussy bitch. meanwhile y’all akeke and laughin with mean girls and damn near bullies, constantly dragging folks names through the mud fa no reason. to this day, yall stay on imani’s ass about a discord server from three months ago, after handing out apologies like an eviction notice. deadass, all seriousness, leave them alone. some of yall ain’t even deserve an apology but hey, whatever helps yall sleep at night

y’all stay coming at me with this “I got high schoolers to fight my battles” and “I got a gang of middle schoolers hyping me up”. boy yall sure don’t know me 😹, yall just assume everything cause some of them have minors in their bio. I got moots that’s my age and younger moots (oldest is 19). on top of that, I’ve met these niggas when I was 17, say it with me SEVENTEEN !

omg, crazy right ? I met them when I was a minor, that’s like so insane ! so if you do the math (correctly !), I’ve known these niggas for two years. I’m sorry that I have a strong ass friendship and I got folks who actually care about me 🤷🏽‍♀️ . meanwhile, yall are mdni blogs interacting with minors. hmm, but doesn’t mdni stand for MINORS do not interact ? or maybe I just miss a memo ?

small note, yall literally lack math, english, and comprehension skills if you think my friend, juice/mypimpademia, is 14-15. not only can yall not spell, yall don’t make sense either. if she had her blog for about 2-3 years and she’s 14, wouldn’t she be 11-12 writing on here ? oh, hm, that’s doesn’t seem right. y’all just be seeing minor and think it means 13-14, oh y’all do not know the definition of minors…..which means anyone BELOW the age of 18, 10+8, 9+9, 14+4. cmon now guys, I thought we were better than this !

speaking of them, yall stay talking about how I got high schoolers as friends yet be so mad that yall are blocked by these same minors 😹. niggas are so pressed about being blocked by these high schoolers, it’s sad ain’t gonna lie. now I ain’t they damn momma or their damn parent, so idgaf what they do and when they do it

also, to think I’m trying to disrespect someone talking is honestly so…wow ! y’all saying I’m correcting her aave when I use aave my own self, you can literally scroll and see it yourself but anyways ! not only that, say I grew up in a white neighborhood just cause I corrected her grammar ? not her aave, her grammar. maybe if she wasn’t being rude asf to the op, nobody wouldn’t say anything but hey 🤷🏽‍♀️.

not only that, aren’t you insinuating that only white folks can talk proper ? that they’re the only ones who can speak properly ? isn’t that pushing a stereotype to a black girl ? hmmm, says a lot about you as a writer, especially as black writer.

to the eren discourse, what’s to say atp ? y’all still gonna romanticize hood love and paint black love as violent and stereotypical as much as you can. yall gonna continue to slap eren as this fake black man and still gonna be blinded to your wrongdoings. y’all still gonna paint onyankapon as this stereotypical black man who ain’t shit, paint him as aggressive asf and only smoke weed. but hey if that floats your boat, it sure asf will sink mine !

in conclusion, I genuinely don’t care if black tumblr don’t fuck with me no more. imma still stand on what I said 😹, yall ain’t making change shit about what I said unless I said something out of line. some of yall did already but I digress !

[salsflore]

hii mutualss genuine question is there any difference between yumejoshi v. self shipper bc ive seen those two used interchangeably but i’m not sooo sure ..

[jazeswhbhaven]

The majority already disliked MC but PB managed to make them worse based on these snippets. I’m so impressed they managed to outdo themselves to make a horrible story. And to the beloved “First Devil” of all is just salt on the wounds

We need to revoke their writing privileges because I’m afraid for the next ones. But also I’m more surprised that so many people hated this card. Which makes me curious and not criticizing but I wonder how this one got more flack than the Angels. I don’t have any of those cards but I remembered some people didn’t like those either for the SA.

-💭

So I can't really speak for everyone in the fandom and wish not to. However, based on my observations, I believe that it's the way the non-con was written and that fact that it was MC doing this to the devil who saved them and loves them. If I had to guess the feeling, it would be that of betrayal.

Now this is me reaching, but it read almost as if the writer didn't feel like writing it in the first place and just gave us something. It felt similar to Michael's Christmas card to me in the way it was presented. Raphael's had more thought, Gabriel's card had a twist in there that made it more personable.

There's a lot I have to ramble about this topic and this card but if I feel like blabbing about it I shall in another post later. For now it's like??? and that's where I'm at.